Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Mikey1874]

2 hours ago, redtipsjambo said:

Question for the WFH guys

This is a topic of conversation at our work, where probably half are working from home and the rest of us are expendable😜

Are you putting in a full shift, hours wise or can you cram all your work in and get it done quicker,  to give yourselves more me time 

Our  WFH have officially been told to make sure they are getting an hours break at lunch for walks, away from screen etc

 

 

One of things I've done to separate work from home is to work my fixed hours which include an hour for lunch. We do have flexible hours. But it's helped to know the clear boundaries of when I'm at work and when I'm not. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

13 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

One of things I've done to separate work from home is to work my fixed hours which include an hour for lunch. We do have flexible hours. But it's helped to know the clear boundaries of when I'm at work and when I'm not. 

That sounds good advice. 

[Taffin]

3 hours ago, redtipsjambo said:

Question for the WFH guys

This is a topic of conversation at our work, where probably half are working from home and the rest of us are expendable😜

Are you putting in a full shift, hours wise or can you cram all your work in and get it done quicker,  to give yourselves more me time 

Our  WFH have officially been told to make sure they are getting an hours break at lunch for walks, away from screen etc

 

 

 

WFH is great, more time before and after work due to no commute, no tedious office banter, cheaper and better food and coffee, you can listen to music during the day and can get more exercise in at lunch. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

14 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Yip, the novelty is definitely wearing off. The New Year will be a turning point for most I think.  We've had this sh*t show for 9 months now. A vaccine is available, let the Army roll it out and get the vulnerable vaccinated. Politicians and scientists are trying to drag this out for another 6 months, despite the vaccine, "protect the NHS", "save lives", the same old mantra. Most folk will not adhere to more population control measures next year and the hospitality industry will be decimated. In Scotland we've had 100k positive cases - 1.6% of the population- and of those, 5% have sadly died, the majority with underlying health conditions.  Back in March there was ludicrous talk of 80% of the population being infected and even 20% of the workforce being off sick. We now know that the threat of Covid was grossly overstated so we need to think about starting January by adopting a common sense approach. Sturgeon's comments about not booking summer holidays were probably the most ridiculous comments made since this all began. 

👍Yes they comment regarding not booking a summary holiday has back fired really . It doesn’t promote positivity and looking forward but only more doom snd despair . It was an ill advised comment . 

Edited December 13, 2020 by JamesM48

[JudyJudyJudy]

13 hours ago, redjambo said:

 

I've never seen that, although I remember that we did have that facility on one of he previous incarnations of the forum. How do you see it?

It comes up at the right side when I am on my laptop . I’m in the top 4 posters of this topic !! Yeah ha !!! Might get to number one at the end of the year so be prepared for more of my drivel ! 😂

[JudyJudyJudy]

13 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Just watched the Joshua fight and 1000 fans made the difference.

I  watched live bands and had a bevy just over the border up until the 31st October.

oh I so with health matters weren't devolved 

That’ll be an issue looked at in the inquest after it is all over I think ! BJ Will be gunning for revenge as he has been made to look an incompetent buffoon by Nicola( not that it’s hard to do ) 

[JudyJudyJudy]

14 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Yip, the novelty is definitely wearing off. The New Year will be a turning point for most I think.  We've had this sh*t show for 9 months now. A vaccine is available, let the Army roll it out and get the vulnerable vaccinated. Politicians and scientists are trying to drag this out for another 6 months, despite the vaccine, "protect the NHS", "save lives", the same old mantra. Most folk will not adhere to more population control measures next year and the hospitality industry will be decimated. In Scotland we've had 100k positive cases - 1.6% of the population- and of those, 5% have sadly died, the majority with underlying health conditions.  Back in March there was ludicrous talk of 80% of the population being infected and even 20% of the workforce being off sick. We now know that the threat of Covid was grossly overstated so we need to think about starting January by adopting a common sense approach. Sturgeon's comments about not booking summer holidays were probably the most ridiculous comments made since this all began. 

I liked it at first but hate it now . But I think it’s the way it is in the future . I wouldn’t mind a few days working from home and then the office . I may need a health assessment as I have arthritis and I’m struggling now using my laptop and my chair and desk aren’t appropriate for sitting all day . 

[JudyJudyJudy]

5 hours ago, Lord BJ said:

I don’t know how you get it to appear it’s just there when go into iPad on RHS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I’ve noticed that I have a lot of postings mainly due to the fact I don’t know how to “ multi quote “ on this so I tend to reply to various postings individually . I’ll need to learn how to do that 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

2 hours ago, Lord BJ said:

Germany going into another hard lockdown.

 

Not overly shocked tbh, as I mentioned yesterday that their daily death's were now in the mid hundreds, which is something they didn't have in the first wave.

[Tenaciousdandy]

Just now, JamesM48 said:

I’ve noticed that I have a lot of postings mainly due to the fact I don’t know how to “ multi quote “ on this so I tend to reply to various postings individually . I’ll need to learn how to do that 

Press the + next to quote

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Just now, JamesM48 said:

I’ve noticed that I have a lot of postings mainly due to the fact I don’t know how to “ multi quote “ on this so I tend to reply to various postings individually . I’ll need to learn how to do that 

 

Multi quote is the + sign next to the quote button.

[milky_26]

2 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

I liked it at first but hate it now . But I think it’s the way it is in the future . I wouldn’t mind a few days working from home and then the office . I may need a health assessment as I have arthritis and I’m struggling now using my laptop and my chair and desk aren’t appropriate for sitting all day . 

I assume that your work should have had you carry out a DSE assessment of your home workspace. Any problems as you have said should have been flagged and reasonable adjustments made possibly including giving you a suitable chair, monitor keyboard and mouse

[milky_26]

2 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Not overly shocked tbh, as I mentioned yesterday that their daily death's were now in the mid hundreds, which is something they didn't have in the first wave.

It was at some point last week they had their record daily infections and deaths. Iirc their death figure was around 500 for the day

[JudyJudyJudy]

8 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Multi quote is the + sign next to the quote button.

7 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

I assume that your work should have had you carry out a DSE assessment of your home workspace. Any problems as you have said should have been flagged and reasonable adjustments made possibly including giving you a suitable chair, monitor keyboard and mouse

Cheers guys 

[JudyJudyJudy]

9 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

I assume that your work should have had you carry out a DSE assessment of your home workspace. Any problems as you have said should have been flagged and reasonable adjustments made possibly including giving you a suitable chair, monitor keyboard and mouse

Yes I’ll get on the my line manager  this week about it 

Edited December 13, 2020 by JamesM48

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 13 December 2020

Summary

• 800 new cases of COVID-19 reported [-264]
• 2 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [-37]
• 47 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-5]
• 1,015 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+21]
• 17,236 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results – 5.2% of these were positive [-6.059; =]

[redjambo]

Per-board, per-100,000 case stats:

 

Scotland 15 [-4].

 

Ayrshire 22 [-2], Fife 19 [-9], Lanarkshire 18 [-5], Tayside 17 [-8], Greater Glasgow 15 [-10], Lothian 15 [-1], Grampian 14 [+1], Borders 12 [-10].

 

All the others: less than 10.

[Tenaciousdandy]

22 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Per-board, per-100,000 case stats:

 

Scotland 15 [-4].

 

Ayrshire 22 [-2], Fife 19 [-9], Lanarkshire 18 [-5], Tayside 17 [-8], Greater Glasgow 15 [-10], Lothian 15 [-1], Grampian 14 [+1], Borders 12 [-10].

 

All the others: less than 10.

East lothian likely to go back in to tier 3 next week I'd imagine, then the insane relaxation of the rules for 5 days before we all get shafted into tiers 3 and 4 

[CavySlaveJambo]

10 minutes ago, Dandyman79 said:

East lothian likely to go back in to tier 3 next week I'd imagine, then the insane relaxation of the rules for 5 days before we all get shafted into tiers 3 and 4 

East Lothian almost certain to go back into tier 3.    
 

Numbers climbing drastically almost everywhere in the Lothians. 

[Cruyff]

Just about to have a pint in a pub for the first time in months. 

 

So excited  

 

[redjambo]

The latest 7-day per-100,000 case stats around the councils:

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Today	Yesterday				11 Dec	10 Dec	9 Dec	8 Dec	7 Dec
Clackmannanshire	3	190	173	+17			167	181	198	206	227
North Ayrshire	3	180	177	+3			160	145	154	155	144
East Ayrshire	3	161	152	+9			160	149	148	150	132
Midlothian	3	151	133	+18			123	93	84	99	94
Renfrewshire	3	145	142	+3			138	128	128	149	155
Glasgow City	3	141	145	-4			135	142	146	157	159
East Renfrewshire	3	137	124	+13			119	125	127	137	137
Fife	3	135	132	+3			118	114	106	107	111
North Lanarkshire	3	134	131	+3			129	141	142	140	156
Dundee City	3	132	125	+7			111	104	112	115	110
South Lanarkshire	3	128	134	-6			127	124	124	131	138
East Lothian	2	126	122	+4			122	114	99	84	76
Aberdeen City	2	124	120	+4			114	96	95	80	80
West Lothian	3	117	110	+7			125	122	123	122	116
South Ayrshire	3	116	121	-5			111	101	99	101	100
East Dunbartonshire	3	106	106	0			104	100	100	96	105
Perth and Kinross	3	104	97	+7			75	83	94	96	94
Edinburgh City	3	102	95	+7			93	86	89	82	77
Falkirk	2	98	98	0			99	104	80	71	79
Stirling	3	93	97	-4			91	90	83	89	83
Aberdeenshire	2	89	83	+6			85	86	90	87	88
Scottish Borders	1	82	73	+9			56	52	48	41	40
West Dunbartonshire	3	80	75	+5			74	63	67	71	76
Angus	2	69	66	+3			60	55	65	59	62
Inverclyde	2	57	63	-6			57	51	54	60	59
Argyll and Bute	2	51	49	+2			48	154	162	165	166
Moray	1	25	22	+3			19	14	15	19	16
Dumfries & Galloway	1	23	25	-2			25	27	26	26	26
Highland	1	18	16	+2			13	13	11	9	10
Na h-Eileanan Siar	1	15	15	0			15	15	4	4	15
Orkney Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	0	0	4
Shetland Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	4	4	4
Scotland		111	108	+3			102	102	103	104	105

[steve123]

3 minutes ago, redjambo said:

The latest 7-day per-100,000 case stats around the councils:

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Today	Yesterday				11 Dec	10 Dec	9 Dec	8 Dec	7 Dec
Clackmannanshire	3	190	173	+17			167	181	198	206	227
North Ayrshire	3	180	177	+3			160	145	154	155	144
East Ayrshire	3	161	152	+9			160	149	148	150	132
Midlothian	3	151	133	+18			123	93	84	99	94
Renfrewshire	3	145	142	+3			138	128	128	149	155
Glasgow City	3	141	145	-4			135	142	146	157	159
East Renfrewshire	3	137	124	+13			119	125	127	137	137
Fife	3	135	132	+3			118	114	106	107	111
North Lanarkshire	3	134	131	+3			129	141	142	140	156
Dundee City	3	132	125	+7			111	104	112	115	110
South Lanarkshire	3	128	134	-6			127	124	124	131	138
East Lothian	2	126	122	+4			122	114	99	84	76
Aberdeen City	2	124	120	+4			114	96	95	80	80
West Lothian	3	117	110	+7			125	122	123	122	116
South Ayrshire	3	116	121	-5			111	101	99	101	100
East Dunbartonshire	3	106	106	0			104	100	100	96	105
Perth and Kinross	3	104	97	+7			75	83	94	96	94
Edinburgh City	3	102	95	+7			93	86	89	82	77
Falkirk	2	98	98	0			99	104	80	71	79
Stirling	3	93	97	-4			91	90	83	89	83
Aberdeenshire	2	89	83	+6			85	86	90	87	88
Scottish Borders	1	82	73	+9			56	52	48	41	40
West Dunbartonshire	3	80	75	+5			74	63	67	71	76
Angus	2	69	66	+3			60	55	65	59	62
Inverclyde	2	57	63	-6			57	51	54	60	59
Argyll and Bute	2	51	49	+2			48	154	162	165	166
Moray	1	25	22	+3			19	14	15	19	16
Dumfries & Galloway	1	23	25	-2			25	27	26	26	26
Highland	1	18	16	+2			13	13	11	9	10
Na h-Eileanan Siar	1	15	15	0			15	15	4	4	15
Orkney Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	0	0	4
Shetland Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	4	4	4
Scotland		111	108	+3			102	102	103	104	105

I wonder if student testing before going home for Christmas has anything to do with rise.

[Doogz]

Just now, steve123 said:

I wonder if student testing before going home for Christmas has anything to do with rise.

It has to be having an impact one way or an other: it's either highlighting positive asymptomatic cases that would have otherwise been missed (which could be seen as skewing the numbers in regions with higher %age of students) or its helping drop the overall test positivity numbers .... Or perhaps both! 

[redjambo]

It looks like we've reached another of those stubborn plateaux as regards the decline in cases in Scotland, with week-on-week cases even rising slightly of late. Bear in mind however that we've been carrying out additional lateral flow tests in some areas/settings (students, NHS, care homes etc.), the positives of which will have likely contributed more positives into the figures once follow-up PCR tests have been carried out.

 

[redjambo]

5 minutes ago, steve123 said:

I wonder if student testing before going home for Christmas has anything to do with rise.

 

I would be surprised if it hadn't made a contribution, Steve (along with the follow-up from the lateral flow tests in the 5 hotspots and those now given regularly in NHS/care home settings). In saying that, I remember reading the results from a couple of universities down south which showed that the number of students testing positive was very low. It would be nice to have the data, but it hasn't been systematically released like the PCR results have.

[redjambo]

10 minutes ago, Doogz said:

It has to be having an impact one way or an other: it's either highlighting positive asymptomatic cases that would have otherwise been missed (which could be seen as skewing the numbers in regions with higher %age of students) or its helping drop the overall test positivity numbers .... Or perhaps both! 

 

The test positivity numbers are only for PCR tests, as far as I am aware. If anything, lateral flow tests should be having an upwards effect on test positivity because only those testing positive are being referred on for a subsequent PCR test.

Edited December 13, 2020 by redjambo

[DETTY29]

6 hours ago, redtipsjambo said:

Question for the WFH guys

This is a topic of conversation at our work, where probably half are working from home and the rest of us are expendable😜

Are you putting in a full shift, hours wise or can you cram all your work in and get it done quicker,  to give yourselves more me time 

Our  WFH have officially been told to make sure they are getting an hours break at lunch for walks, away from screen etc

 

It's a strange one.

 

Pre Covid, there were studies that WFH led on the whole to folk puttung in (a lot) more hours because of the perception of the need to prove you are not skiving.  Indeed I think either France or Holland were looking towards legislation that staff needed to log off by a certain time or after so many hours just because of that.

 

I do find it far too easy to 'not switch lap top off' especially if a work supplied one rather than an app of sorts on your own PC desk top' and be working far too late.  But then again however, especially in summer you can take breaks here and there.  Grass may have been cut a few times 'while at work'.

 

However my experience is coming from Financial Services Project Management over last 20 years.  Hot desking, job sharing, 1.4 FTE per desk, contractors working 3 days a week in a central office but travelling and WFH other 2 days has become the norm.

 

You do know which small  number of staff would be likely to really take to the pee WFH   ecause they were the same in the office too.

 

Asking Call Centre staff to WFH virtually permanently is another matter.

 

 

Edited December 13, 2020 by DETTY29

[steve123]

6 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

I would be surprised if it hadn't made a contribution, Steve (along with the follow-up from the lateral flow tests in the 5 hotspots and those now given regularly in NHS/care home settings). In saying that, I remember reading the results from a couple of universities down south which showed that the number of students testing positive was very low. It would be nice to have the data, but it hasn't been systematically released like the PCR results have.

yea the % of tests seems to be hovering around the 5% mark.

 

It is hard to read unto all the numbers and get a definitive steer on way things are going as so many variables.

[redjambo]

Just now, Brian Dundas said:

The ages of the positive tests does suggest a huge surge in Students testing positive. 
 

ICU and Deaths are not yet rising, which is a good thing. I think we might see a few tier twos moved to three this week. 

 

Very good point, Brian - I hadn't been looking at the age breakdown.

 

Yup, Aberdeen at the very least is due for a belated pump up into Tier 3. It should have been done a while ago. East Lothian looks odds-on as well. To be honest though, and without wanting to raise a storm of related "they don't know what they're doing!" posts, I've sort of given up on second guessing the tier-related decisions that are being made. "No mucking around" should be the order of the day, imo.

[redjambo]

10 minutes ago, steve123 said:

yea the % of tests seems to be hovering around the 5% mark.

 

It is hard to read unto all the numbers and get a definitive steer on way things are going as so many variables.

 

Indeed. I've never been a fan of test positivity though - it seems like a bit of a spurious indicator. It depends a lot on how much testing you do, how readily folk are to book tests with or without symptoms, etc. I'm sure others will argue with me on this point, but I would only see test positivity working if a well-defined random sampling regime was put in place to generate that figure. That's not how it works at the moment - folk go if they feel that they need a test, depending on how much they are encouraged to do so, and in cases where lateral flow tests have indicated a potential problem.

 

To take my argumentation to the extreme, if the SG tested every single person in Scotland tomorrow, the test positivity of that would be very low indeed. That wouldn't mean that we were doing extremely well though, just that we'd tested a very large number of people.

 

Perhaps I just don't get it. Willing to be persuaded otherwise.

Edited December 13, 2020 by redjambo

[CavySlaveJambo]

7 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

Although it doesn’t need to be many 17-25 year olds to put the numbers up. It could be Edinburgh’s issue, but less likely in the Lothians. 

Queen Margaret is is East Lothian which may explain there to some extent. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

38 minutes ago, redjambo said:

The latest 7-day per-100,000 case stats around the councils:

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Today	Yesterday				11 Dec	10 Dec	9 Dec	8 Dec	7 Dec
Clackmannanshire	3	190	173	+17			167	181	198	206	227
North Ayrshire	3	180	177	+3			160	145	154	155	144
East Ayrshire	3	161	152	+9			160	149	148	150	132
Midlothian	3	151	133	+18			123	93	84	99	94
Renfrewshire	3	145	142	+3			138	128	128	149	155
Glasgow City	3	141	145	-4			135	142	146	157	159
East Renfrewshire	3	137	124	+13			119	125	127	137	137
Fife	3	135	132	+3			118	114	106	107	111
North Lanarkshire	3	134	131	+3			129	141	142	140	156
Dundee City	3	132	125	+7			111	104	112	115	110
South Lanarkshire	3	128	134	-6			127	124	124	131	138
East Lothian	2	126	122	+4			122	114	99	84	76
Aberdeen City	2	124	120	+4			114	96	95	80	80
West Lothian	3	117	110	+7			125	122	123	122	116
South Ayrshire	3	116	121	-5			111	101	99	101	100
East Dunbartonshire	3	106	106	0			104	100	100	96	105
Perth and Kinross	3	104	97	+7			75	83	94	96	94
Edinburgh City	3	102	95	+7			93	86	89	82	77
Falkirk	2	98	98	0			99	104	80	71	79
Stirling	3	93	97	-4			91	90	83	89	83
Aberdeenshire	2	89	83	+6			85	86	90	87	88
Scottish Borders	1	82	73	+9			56	52	48	41	40
West Dunbartonshire	3	80	75	+5			74	63	67	71	76
Angus	2	69	66	+3			60	55	65	59	62
Inverclyde	2	57	63	-6			57	51	54	60	59
Argyll and Bute	2	51	49	+2			48	154	162	165	166
Moray	1	25	22	+3			19	14	15	19	16
Dumfries & Galloway	1	23	25	-2			25	27	26	26	26
Highland	1	18	16	+2			13	13	11	9	10
Na h-Eileanan Siar	1	15	15	0			15	15	4	4	15
Orkney Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	0	0	4
Shetland Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	4	4	4
Scotland		111	108	+3			102	102	103	104	105

👍

[CavySlaveJambo]

4 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Indeed. I've never been a fan of test positivity though - it seems like a bit of a spurious indicator. It depends a lot on how much testing you do, how readily folk are to book tests with or without symptoms, etc. I'm sure others will argue with me on this point, but I would only see test positivity working if a well-defined random sampling regime was put in place to generate that figure. That's not how it works at the moment - folk go if they feel that they need a test, depending on how much they are encouraged to do so, and in cases where lateral flow tests have indicated a potential problem.

 

To take my argumentation to the extreme, if the SG tested every single person in Scotland tomorrow, the test positivity of that would be very low indeed. That wouldn't mean that we were doing extremely well though, just that we'd tested a very large number of people.

 

Perhaps I just don't get it. Willing to be persuaded otherwise.

I don’t get it either.  I can understand in the larger populations. Not in the smaller ones where some days there is less than 100 tests carried out. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

40 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

Just about to have a pint in a pub for the first time in months. 

 

So excited  

 

Enjoy. I'm so jealous. 

[coconut doug]

On 12/12/2020 at 13:43, ArcticJambo said:

See that waffle (above) from Doug (sorry Doug for not replying directly, I might if I find teh energy), it's obvious he can't read the data, or is rather choosing to not see what is obvious.  Glasgow and it's satellite regions are still an issue.  Always have been.  Only now after weeks and weeks are the other areas starting to be affected.  1000s of cases where registered in one area of the country, where the majority of the pop lives, and you don't think that has an effect on other parts of the country over time. 

 

I'd like to know which data you think i can't read. Maybe you could identify a statistic or two and explain how I can’t read it.  I posted you a link of SG statistics that back up what i have said.

 

The discussion was around the effectiveness of the tier system which has definitely worked to a large degree. Those areas in tier 4 have all shown a significant decline since the introduction of the restrictions. Many tier 4 areas are now around a third or half of the incidence they were before the tiers were introduced. In Lothian, over the same period West declined when it was put into 4 but Midlothian and East Lothian have shown increases with E now showing a sharp increase now they are in tier 2. What this shows without doubt is that the tier system is effective and that most people are observing it whether they be in the west or the east.

 

Your notion that "Glasgow and it's satellite regions are still an issue.  Always have been" is not true. Scotland almost eliminated the virus in the summer. The incidence of covid in Glasgow and the rest of the country was the same for about ten weeks in the summer i.e. very close to zero. The source for the second wave is known to have been people travelling into Scotland from abroad, mostly returning holidaymakers, returning to their homes all over Scotland. We know this because of the genomic tracing that has taken place.

 

Of course cases have been transmitted from one area to another in Scotland but the idea that it only travels one way and that it is a big factor are not borne out by the figures  as far as i can see. Today Greater Glasgow and Lothian reach parity. That was the purpose of the tier system and it has worked and is continuing to work.

[Cruyff]

26 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Enjoy. I'm so jealous. 

Just one pint and a burger in Musselburgh . Worth it though. 

[CJGJ]

The sooner our governments give up this stupid idea of a Christmas break the better

 

As if a virus knows to switch off for 5 days

 

When it was decided it was a sign of a weak government and more so now

 

Just be open and tell the population it is not possible to allow travel etc and its time to just shut up shop over Christmas and New Year

[The Real Maroonblood]

3 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

Just one pint and a burger in Musselburgh . Worth it though. 

👍

Going by the statistics it

doesn't look like Edinburgh will move to Tier2.😭 

Hope I'm wrong. 

 

[heartsfc_fan]

Midlothian's figures are high. What tf has happened? It was nearly going into tier 2 not that long ago.

[Footballfirst]

1 minute ago, heartsfc_fan said:

Midlothian's figures are high. What tf has happened? It was nearly going into tier 2 not that long ago.

The highest number of cases are in Loanhead, Newbattle and Pathhead, which seems quite a diverse group of localities.

[CavySlaveJambo]

5 minutes ago, heartsfc_fan said:

Midlothian's figures are high. What tf has happened? It was nearly going into tier 2 not that long ago.

Population lower than 100,000 and who knows.  The figures have been all over the place since the start of November.   Last Monday (30th) there was 27 positive tests and 20 of those were in Loanhead.  

 

5 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

The highest number of cases are in Loanhead, Newbattle and Pathhead, which seems quite a diverse group of localities.

Pathhead is the surprise because there is not much there. 

[ArcticJambo]

34 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 

I'd like to know which data you think i can't read. Maybe you could identify a statistic or two and explain how I can’t read it.  I posted you a link of SG statistics that back up what i have said.

 

The discussion was around the effectiveness of the tier system which has definitely worked to a large degree. Those areas in tier 4 have all shown a significant decline since the introduction of the restrictions. Many tier 4 areas are now around a third or half of the incidence they were before the tiers were introduced. In Lothian, over the same period West declined when it was put into 4 but Midlothian and East Lothian have shown increases with E now showing a sharp increase now they are in tier 2. What this shows without doubt is that the tier system is effective and that most people are observing it whether they be in the west or the east.

 

Your notion that "Glasgow and it's satellite regions are still an issue.  Always have been" is not true. Scotland almost eliminated the virus in the summer. The incidence of covid in Glasgow and the rest of the country was the same for about ten weeks in the summer i.e. very close to zero. The source for the second wave is known to have been people travelling into Scotland from abroad, mostly returning holidaymakers, returning to their homes all over Scotland. We know this because of the genomic tracing that has taken place.

 

Of course cases have been transmitted from one area to another in Scotland but the idea that it only travels one way and that it is a big factor are not borne out by the figures  as far as i can see. Today Greater Glasgow and Lothian reach parity. That was the purpose of the tier system and it has worked and is continuing to work.

Until this week Glasgow and its satellite rregions have been top of the covid pops week in week out not sure how you can deny that.  Go in and pick a day, any day since the 12th Sep for a region (I'll help you, any in the central belt) on positve cases, and the 7 day rate per 100K, you'll find your answer right there.  Between the 12Aug and NOv10, Glasgow City has been either 1st or 2nd in terms of 7day/100K in 11 of the 14 weeks over that period, and the Top 4 has always been shared between GC, NL, SL, WD, and Renfrewshire. Noone gets even remotely close.  On the 20 Nov they chucked the 11 regions into T4 and thankfully they all dropped. Even today, only Midlothian cracks the top 10.

 

My point all along, if you've been following is that the SG failed t take the necessary action early enough with west central scotland when the numbers were ridiculous, which undoubtedy has caused many deaths. You even admitted it yourself that there will have been transmission from one region to another, so where do you think there is more likelihood of transmission from, low to high or high to low?  lol.

 

Anyway, you've run with your own slant on this, I'm not surprised in the least.

Edited December 13, 2020 by ArcticJambo

[ArcticJambo]

9 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

The highest number of cases are in Loanhead, Newbattle and Pathhead, which seems quite a diverse group of localities.

When I looked the other day it had their ward of Pentland as one of the highest!! Apparently 3000 odd folks live within those boundaries.

[Dagger Is Back]

1 hour ago, redjambo said:

The latest 7-day per-100,000 case stats around the councils:

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Today	Yesterday				11 Dec	10 Dec	9 Dec	8 Dec	7 Dec
Clackmannanshire	3	190	173	+17			167	181	198	206	227
North Ayrshire	3	180	177	+3			160	145	154	155	144
East Ayrshire	3	161	152	+9			160	149	148	150	132
Midlothian	3	151	133	+18			123	93	84	99	94
Renfrewshire	3	145	142	+3			138	128	128	149	155
Glasgow City	3	141	145	-4			135	142	146	157	159
East Renfrewshire	3	137	124	+13			119	125	127	137	137
Fife	3	135	132	+3			118	114	106	107	111
North Lanarkshire	3	134	131	+3			129	141	142	140	156
Dundee City	3	132	125	+7			111	104	112	115	110
South Lanarkshire	3	128	134	-6			127	124	124	131	138
East Lothian	2	126	122	+4			122	114	99	84	76
Aberdeen City	2	124	120	+4			114	96	95	80	80
West Lothian	3	117	110	+7			125	122	123	122	116
South Ayrshire	3	116	121	-5			111	101	99	101	100
East Dunbartonshire	3	106	106	0			104	100	100	96	105
Perth and Kinross	3	104	97	+7			75	83	94	96	94
Edinburgh City	3	102	95	+7			93	86	89	82	77
Falkirk	2	98	98	0			99	104	80	71	79
Stirling	3	93	97	-4			91	90	83	89	83
Aberdeenshire	2	89	83	+6			85	86	90	87	88
Scottish Borders	1	82	73	+9			56	52	48	41	40
West Dunbartonshire	3	80	75	+5			74	63	67	71	76
Angus	2	69	66	+3			60	55	65	59	62
Inverclyde	2	57	63	-6			57	51	54	60	59
Argyll and Bute	2	51	49	+2			48	154	162	165	166
Moray	1	25	22	+3			19	14	15	19	16
Dumfries & Galloway	1	23	25	-2			25	27	26	26	26
Highland	1	18	16	+2			13	13	11	9	10
Na h-Eileanan Siar	1	15	15	0			15	15	4	4	15
Orkney Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	0	0	4
Shetland Islands	1	0	0	0			0	0	4	4	4
Scotland		111	108	+3			102	102	103	104	105

 

Thank you very much for all our work pulling this together. Really useful

[CavySlaveJambo]

24 minutes ago, heartsfc_fan said:

Midlothian's figures are high. What tf has happened? It was nearly going into tier 2 not that long ago.

If you look at the actually cases on Public Health Scotland (not cases per 100k) Midlothian and East Lothian actually have very similar case numbers. 

[redjambo]

9 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said:

 

Thank you very much for all our work pulling this together. Really useful

 

No problem, DiB. I threw it together at the start of the tier system based on one that Brian Dundas had created, so due credit to him, hoping that it might shed some light on the tier-related decisions based on the one key indicator of the 7-day per-100,000 case levels. It doesn't take long at all to update it each day now, so I'll keep them coming. I look forward to the day when it becomes redundant though.

[Footballfirst]

18 minutes ago, ArcticJambo said:

When I looked the other day it had their ward of Pentland as one of the highest!! Apparently 3000 odd folks live within those boundaries.

The Pentland ward is pretty rural, but contains the Bush estate.  I wonder if there was an outbreak at the Edinburgh University buildings there (Dick Vets)

[frankblack]

1 hour ago, steve123 said:

I wonder if student testing before going home for Christmas has anything to do with rise.

 

You would think it would be helpeful to break down the statistics for transparency, but the SG clearly want to bury anything that can be scrutinised.

 

The statistics provided on a daily basis are as much use as a chocolate teacup.

[Dagger Is Back]

5 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

No problem, DiB. I threw it together at the start of the tier system based on one that Brian Dundas had created, so due credit to him, hoping that it might shed some light on the tier-related decisions based on the one key indicator of the 7-day per-100,000 case levels. It doesn't take long at all to update it each day now, so I'll keep them coming. I look forward to the day when it becomes redundant though.

 

Hope so too RJ. It's been a year we'll never forget tha'ts for sure

[frankblack]

2 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

What stats do you want to know?

 

Related clusters e.g. testing at schools and universities.

 

A breakdown per sector per area.  If they are going to throw the likes of hospitality under a bus they need to be transparent and give us the numbers in relation to other sectors.

 

People would appreciate and accept decisions that target the problem areas if they had the transparency.

 

The SG aren't particularly good at transparency given Nicola's meltdown over keeping Edinburgh in Tier 3.

Edited December 13, 2020 by frankblack