Brighton Jambo Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: It's a perfect Submarine base due to it's proximity to the Atlantic deep sea lanes. It really is and people who expect that in an independent Scotland these subs will just be told go and get yourself to England are in for a shock. the SNP know this they have been told the subs will be going nowhere. But to be fair that gives them a huge amount of bargaining power over other things that can work in their favour. They are playing it smart on this one. Edited November 25, 2019 by Brighton Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Just now, ri Alban said: Of course, but the enemy is to the east. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 15 minutes ago, John Findlay said: Define poverty in the UK. There are lots of definitions of poverty and ways of measuring it. Absolute and relative for starters. Nevertheless it is clear that no matter what measure you use things are almost always worse and continue to deteriorate when we have a Conservative government. Don't take my word for it see IFS they're no friends of Socialism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpship Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Can someone start up a poll. Let's see who Hearts fans are voting for.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: It really is and people who expect that in an independent Scotland these subs will just be told go and get yourself to England are in for a shock. the SNP know this they have been told the subs will be going nowhere. But to be fair that gives them a huge amount of bargaining power over other things that can work in their favour. They are playing it smart on this one. Indeed, the subs are going nowhere anytime soon, the SNP know that as does Westminster as well, besides there is only a handful of other places they could go, and even fewer which could match Gare Loch's wonderful position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpship Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, weehammy said: Don’t the SNP want to get rid of Trident but remain in NATO and shelter under the US nuclear deterrent? In an independent Scotland we don't need to vote SNP. Vote Greens and they will tell Westminster to get those nukes the **** out of Scotland pronto... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, weehammy said: Don’t the SNP want to get rid of Trident but remain in NATO and shelter under the US nuclear deterrent? Maybe so, but Trident wouldn't belong to an Independant Scotland, Trident would belong to what is left of the UK, and the UK would just lease the Faslane base from Scotland. Classic fudge. The SNP can claim that Scotland doesn't have any nuclear weapons, which it wouldn't have but Faslane is leased by the UK and to protect the thousands of jobs which depend upon HMNB Clyde the SNP have agreed, of course keeping the nukes at Faslane also helps NATO which Scotland would aspire to be part off. The subs ain't going nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Just now, Jambo-Jimbo said: Maybe so, but Trident wouldn't belong to an Independant Scotland, Trident would belong to what is left of the UK, and the UK would just lease the Faslane base from Scotland. Classic fudge. The SNP can claim that Scotland doesn't have any nuclear weapons, which it wouldn't have but Faslane is leased by the UK and to protect the thousands of jobs which depend upon HMNB Clyde the SNP have agreed, of course keeping the nukes at Faslane also helps NATO which Scotland would aspire to be part off. The subs ain't going nowhere. Indeed. Just look at the location of US bases around the world. Not too dissimilar to what may happen here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 25 minutes ago, weehammy said: Don’t the SNP want to get rid of Trident but remain in NATO and shelter under the US nuclear deterrent? That very point is argued constantly within the SNP. Most grass roots members don't want anything to do with NATO. But at the current rate of things driven by President Dingus, NATO won't even exist for very much longer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Anybody watch Andrew Neil rip the tory housing minister ? And the lib dem chancellor. He doesnt miss . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, jake said: Anybody watch Andrew Neil rip the tory housing minister ? And the lib dem chancellor. He doesnt miss . May not agree with him on political fundamentals, but his journalistic ethics appear to be beyond reproach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Justin Z said: May not agree with him on political fundamentals, but his journalistic ethics appear to be beyond reproach. At his best here. https://youtu.be/rTmSfzeHdEo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Jo Swinson . It's just not happening . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 39 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Maybe so, but Trident wouldn't belong to an Independant Scotland, Trident would belong to what is left of the UK, and the UK would just lease the Faslane base from Scotland. Classic fudge. The SNP can claim that Scotland doesn't have any nuclear weapons, which it wouldn't have but Faslane is leased by the UK and to protect the thousands of jobs which depend upon HMNB Clyde the SNP have agreed, of course keeping the nukes at Faslane also helps NATO which Scotland would aspire to be part off. The subs ain't going nowhere. We would be declared a rogue state. Probably will one day for our water unless we do as we are told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 18 minutes ago, jake said: We would be declared a rogue state. Probably will one day for our water unless we do as we are told. As the planet gets hotter it's a certainty that wars will be fought over drinking water, thankfully Scotland would have a deterent to deter anybody from doing so, and I don't mean Trident. Aussie and a few of his mates with painted braveheart style faces, and mooning to the invaders, hell that's a sight which would surely strike fear into even the most determined of invaders. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: As the planet gets hotter it's a certainty that wars will be fought over drinking water, thankfully Scotland would have a deterent to deter anybody from doing so, and I don't mean Trident. Aussie and a few of his mates with painted braveheart style faces, and mooning to the invaders, hell that's a sight which would surely strike fear into even the most determined of invaders. 🤣 You can take ma oil but yill never take oor water . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 47 minutes ago, jake said: Jo Swinson . It's just not happening . Reminds me of Clinton, 'Vote for me I'm a woman'. Pathetic strategy, can't wait for her to lose her seat whilst she's gallivanting around the country kidding on she's going to be prime minister. Utter Walter Mitty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werner Herzog Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 51 minutes ago, jake said: Jo Swinson . It's just not happening . Caught up with the Question Time special yesterday afternoon; she really struggled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class of 75 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 On 23/11/2019 at 07:34, Justin Z said: I thought you had a degree in politics and therefore knew everything about it especially compared to such plebs. So you know full well how truly silly it is to refer to the minority government given the voting system in place for Scottish Parliament elections that was intended to guarantee there'd never be a majority . . . and yet the SNP managed one anyway in 2015. And then doubled down on it. Mental. Just for those that had a scoff at me. Sturgeon in interview with Andrew Neil has admitted several times that she leads a minority government. So I was right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Andrew Neil's tie is about 20 feet long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 On 29/10/2019 at 20:44, The Frenchman Returns said: It's official, 12th December, the nation will decide. Some of the nation. Last chance to register to vote by tomorrow. https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Ripping Sturgeon up for arsepaper though Mon Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class of 75 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Ripping Sturgeon up for arsepaper though Mon Andrew Absolutely brilliant. Has made my night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 "It's all rather uncertain... " Said Neil, after being corrected regarding what he quoted from the growth commission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 It's fine to rush the politician but he's not even listening to her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 So we would still have austerity and a deficit for 10 years at least so couldn’t join the EU whats the point then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Could the referee step in and stop this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 I'm beginning to feel bit sorry for her. And he's not even started on Education yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 If some of the other leaders get the same treatment it's going to be carnage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 'The NHS in Scotland is in danger from Nicola Sturgeon'. THERE'S ONLY ONE ANDREW NEIL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Neil is a brilliant interviewer. Can't think of anyone better around now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamb0_1874 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, Victorian said: If some of the other leaders get the same treatment it's going to be carnage. They'll all get the same treatment from him. It will just show, as if we didn't already know, how much of a state politics in this country is in. Love her or hate her sturgeon is one of the better politicians in the UK right now but she had no answer to the questions asked and the worrying thing is the questions were just basic ones that we should all be asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 BBC admits an "error" in doctoring the QT footage to make it look as if Boris was being applauded instead of being laughed at when saying he could be trusted. "The edit was made for time constraints", said a BBC gobshite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Well, that's the local councillor out the way. Andrew Neil moves on to serious politicians in the next episode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Lee Anderson, standing as the Tory candidate in Ashford in Nottinghamshire, has been caught getting a friend to pretend to be a swing voter who is then convinced to vote Tory in front of a camera crew. Silly arsehole forgot he had the microphone turned on when he phoned his mate to arrange it a few minutes before ringing his doorbell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, jamb0_1874 said: They'll all get the same treatment from him. It will just show, as if we didn't already know, how much of a state politics in this country is in. Love her or hate her sturgeon is one of the better politicians in the UK right now but she had no answer to the questions asked and the worrying thing is the questions were just basic ones that we should all be asking. He goes too far with the tough interview technique stuff. Sometimes you just want to hear the answers. I watched to hear the politician, not him. He wasn't listening half the time and also perhaps misquoted from the documents he cited. He is very good and is hard for them handle but it's sometimes ott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Corbyn's been known to have a bit of a quick temper. That may surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, Cade said: BBC admits an "error" in doctoring the QT footage to make it look as if Boris was being applauded instead of being laughed at when saying he could be trusted. "The edit was made for time constraints", said a BBC gobshite. They also removed his initial words which were incomplete as he started to speak. They first claimed it was to save time but the versions are the same length. Both versions are available on Twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 53 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Ripping Sturgeon up for arsepaper though Mon Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class of 75 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 53 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: So we would still have austerity and a deficit for 10 years at least so couldn’t join the EU whats the point then ? Cause they want independence at any cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 21 minutes ago, Cade said: Lee Anderson, standing as the Tory candidate in Ashford in Nottinghamshire, has been caught getting a friend to pretend to be a swing voter who is then convinced to vote Tory in front of a camera crew. Silly arsehole forgot he had the microphone turned on when he phoned his mate to arrange it a few minutes before ringing his doorbell. Never trust a Tory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamb0_1874 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 19 minutes ago, Victorian said: He goes too far with the tough interview technique stuff. Sometimes you just want to hear the answers. I watched to hear the politician, not him. He wasn't listening half the time and also perhaps misquoted from the documents he cited. He is very good and is hard for them handle but it's sometimes ott. I do agree but in this case I think it did sturgeon a favour as she was on the ropes and struggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Shillyshally Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Class of 75 said: Cause they want independence at any cost. Like Brexit its an ideaolgy with no clear pathway to achieve it successfully. I dread to think what mess the country would be in and for how long in the event of a yes vote Edited November 25, 2019 by Ricardo Shillyshally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamb0_1874 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Victorian said: Andrew Neil's tie is about 20 feet long. It needs to be, have you seen the size of the lad 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamb0_1874 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Just now, Ricardo Shillyshally said: Like Brexit its an ideaolgy with no clear pathway to achieve it successfully. I dread to think what mess the country would be in and for how long in the event of a yes vote Spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpship Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 2 hours ago, weehammy said: The Scottish Green Army will be using bows and arrows. Against Ze Germans... Get Dads Army on the TV... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Shillyshally Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Folk used to laugh at the likes of Gordon brown and John major. Either of those would win this election without breaking sweat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpship Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 34 minutes ago, weehammy said: In an independent Scotland there’ll be nothing on except repeats of Still Game, Weir’s Way and Taggart. How will you survive without Eastenders and coronation street... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamb0_1874 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 37 minutes ago, weehammy said: At least she showed up. Her predecessor avoided Andrew Neil like the plague. I think tonight showed why he did 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Andrew Neil when on form takes no prisoners. I thought Sturgeon came out of it not too badly. The currency one must be nailed and could have easily been . Bet you Sturgeon looks the best candidate after hes grilled the rest. Personally cant wait for the Swinson mauling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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