jake Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: Tosh is like a Jack Russell with two cocks when he's mob handed. 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, kingantti1874 said: Levein has had 5 windows, a record level of backing and currently has us in the midst of worst run of form in the last 125 years. 13% Good Lord. That's a hideous state of affairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick witter Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 58 minutes ago, Spoleto said: The thing is what he quoted as a fact and that you backed up as a fact was in fact way off the mark. What do you think of that record?? Even you can’t defend that when you see it written down like that!!! Worse record than the man he brought in, then sacked and said he would fix it!! How the hell is this idiot still at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewiseone Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: 6 It's quite obvious what football stats are an indicator of- imo. It will come to you. Nope, what do they indicate to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitJuice Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, jake said: That possession means sweet fa if you dont do something with it. And levein never has. There's also nothing to suggest that he will. He's won nothing and never will with his approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: 6 It's quite obvious what football stats are an indicator of- imo. It will come to you. In our case if you have watched us it confirms what all of us know. Pass pass pass pass along the back pass to midfield pass back to defence opposition presses lump. And there have been brief glimmers of a team which can play . But just not happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic Username Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Has this boy been in multiple head-on collisions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitJuice Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: More a reflection on the Scottish game and it's standard. You seem intent on missing that point tho, so best to move on. It's also irrelevant anyway, the results and poor form are the important part. I'm not missing any point. You seem to play that card quite a lot. I asked someone else and he hasn't answered. What project players have we signed and improved? Who are these project players that have done well for us and have moved onto better things? There are no positives apart from a couple of cup results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Nookie Bear said: If it wasn;t for his injury we wouldn't even have Hickey to get excited about. Injuries sometimes create opportunities for others to shine. Correct but I named 10 players and you name one. Statistically that gives us a 10% chance of benefit from injuries or a 90% disadvantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitJuice Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, rick witter said: What do you think of that record?? Even you can’t defend that when you see it written down like that!!! Worse record than the man he brought in, then sacked and said he would fix it!! How the hell is this idiot still at the club. We sacked cathro two and a half years ago and we are still utter shite. How anyone can defend the last three years is laughable. There is nothing to suggest that things will get better with him in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, FruitJuice said: We sacked cathro two and a half years ago and we are still utter shite. How anyone can defend the last three years is laughable. There is nothing to suggest that things will get better with him in charge. Injuries to key players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, FruitJuice said: I'm not missing any point. You seem to play that card quite a lot. I asked someone else and he hasn't answered. What project players have we signed and improved? Who are these project players that have done well for us and have moved onto better things? There are no positives apart from a couple of cup results. You're getting your arguments mixed up. I never mentioned project players or anything what you've touched on. All I done was engage with Debut 4 about the general standard of Scottish football and Hearts being a reflection of that standard. Also, in comparison to teams like hibs/ Aberdeen we are no worse or better in regards to movement and style of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, JamboAl said: Injuries to key players. Gary Locke has a better record with A squad of teenagers. And we were a hell of a lot better to watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewiseone Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, jake said: In our case if you have watched us it confirms what all of us know. Pass pass pass pass along the back pass to midfield pass back to defence opposition presses lump. And there have been brief glimmers of a team which can play . But just not happened Better let Smith know we've got a new main stand, probably not been away from his computer stats in a while! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitJuice Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, JamboAl said: Injuries to key players. I don't agree that's the reason we have been shite in the league for three years. How many of the project players that we have signed in the last five years have done well for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitJuice Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: Gary Locke has a better record with A squad of teenagers. And we were a hell of a lot better to watch Gary Locke would've done better with the resources than levein has had. One wee point does levein only work with coaches who he know from the fife and tayside region rather than the best person for the job? All our backroom staff seem to be connected to fife and tayside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: Gary Locke has a better record with A squad of teenagers. And we were a hell of a lot better to watch Must have missed his 6th place finish, lc sf and sc final season. If it was better, were we 5th, did we win the cup? When was this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: Gary Locke has a better record with A squad of teenagers. And we were a hell of a lot better to watch But can you guarantee our teenagers won't get injured as well? Incidentally the teenagers who might have come in are out on loan. I'm sure if Levein had envisaged all these injuries he would not have allowed them to go on loan Edited October 14, 2019 by JamboAl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: Gary Locke has a better record with A squad of teenagers. And we were a hell of a lot better to watch Easter Road when Patterson's double sunk the Lochend rhats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitJuice Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, Smith's right boot said: Must have missed his 6th place finish, lc sf and sc final season. If it was better, were we 5th, did we win the cup? When was this? He had a fraction of the resources than levein has had any chance of naming the project players that we have signed and have went on to do well? I thought we had a brilliant coaching set up? Any chance you could name them or should we just move on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitJuice Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Must have missed his 6th place finish, lc sf and sc final season. If it was better, were we 5th, did we win the cup? When was this? Saying that Locke couldn't deliver a 6th place finish is really disrespectful considering the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, FruitJuice said: He had a fraction of the resources than levein has had any chance of naming the project players that we have signed and have went on to do well? I thought we had a brilliant coaching set up? Any chance you could name them or should we just move on? Levein's resources are mostly in the treatment room not on the field. Naismith, Halkett, Washington, Walker, Haring,Souttar etc Edited October 14, 2019 by JamboAl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick witter Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, JamboAl said: Injuries to key players. 🙈🙈🙈🙈 For the last 2 and a half years?? Were you expecting there to be no injuries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, FruitJuice said: Saying that Locke couldn't deliver a 6th place finish is really disrespectful considering the circumstances. But the poster said he had a better record. That's a lie. Where/ what he could have achieved is irrelevant if you're stating that Locke had a better record. That's not true, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitJuice Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, JamboAl said: Levein's resources are mostly in the treatment room not on the field. Naismith, Halkett, Washington, Walker, Haring,Souttar etc Name the project players that we have benefited from? If our coaching set up is so good, we should at least be seeing some benefits. Five years of signing players and we haven't improved any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, FruitJuice said: He had a fraction of the resources than levein has had any chance of naming the project players that we have signed and have went on to do well? I thought we had a brilliant coaching set up? Any chance you could name them or should we just move on? Get a thread started called project players, **** all to do with this nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitJuice Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, Smith's right boot said: But the poster said he had a better record. That's a lie. Where/ what he could have achieved is irrelevant if you're stating that Locke had a better record. That's not true, is it? Would you be calling for Locke to be sacked if he had been in charge for the last couple of years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, FruitJuice said: Would you be calling for Locke to be sacked if he had been in charge for the last couple of years? Be exactly as I am now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitJuice Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Smith's right boot said: Get a thread started called project players, **** all to do with this nonsense. I'm asking you as you are a staunch advocate of our coaching set up. Cant you name any? Pretty damning of our set up if you can't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewiseone Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, JamboAl said: Levein's resources are mostly in the treatment room not on the field. Naismith, Halkett, Washington, Walker, Haring,Souttar etc Not that old excuse again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 13 minutes ago, FruitJuice said: I don't agree that's the reason we have been shite in the league for three years. How many of the project players that we have signed in the last five years have done well for us? Who are you calling project players WTF this has to do with our current situation is beyond me. You seem to be running away scratching around for something to hit the club but you do now what. To refresh your memory I repeat below what I said earlier and invite you to deny it. Levein's resources are mostly in the treatment room not on the field. Naismith, Halkett, Washington, Walker, Haring,Souttar etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitJuice Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, thewiseone said: Not that old excuse again! We have finished 5th, 6th and 6th, We haven't improved any player that we have signed and some posters think he still deserves to be at the club in some footballing capacity. There is nothing to suggest that they are getting things right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, thewiseone said: Not that old excuse again! You belie your username. It is not an excuse. It is a fact and I ask you "Do you think we would be a much better team with these players than we are now?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitJuice Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, JamboAl said: Who are you calling project players WTF this has to do with our current situation is beyond me. You seem to be running away scratching around for something to hit the club but you do now what. To refresh your memory I repeat below what I said earlier and invite you to deny it. Levein's resources are mostly in the treatment room not on the field. Naismith, Halkett, Washington, Walker, Haring,Souttar etc Players from lower league sides that we signed and hoped to improve. How many players signed in the last five years have made us a profit or eent into better things? There are no positives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: But the poster said he had a better record. That's a lie. Where/ what he could have achieved is irrelevant if you're stating that Locke had a better record. That's not true, is it? fair enough, I was comparing lockes 27.5% overall record to Leveins 13.5 % over the last 22 games.. not a fair comparison. Still - I’d rather have Gary Locke in charge right now.. we’d be a better side ive no doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, JamboAl said: Levein's resources are mostly in the treatment room not on the field. Naismith, Halkett, Washington, Walker, Haring,Souttar etc So sick of hearing about injuries, it’s just one excuse after another. I’ll explain how we’ve turned in the odd decent performance without all these players, save you having to bring it up again. Levein doesn’t have a clue how to get the best out of the players that are left on a consistent basis, he cannot put a formation or style of play to suit these players, he sometimes stubbles across something that works but very rarely he then changes it the following week. He has one style that works for him and he buys the players to suit that, they get injured and he’s absolutely clueless. That style is 2nd ball football, get it forward as quick as possible and win the second ball to gain possession high up the pitch... it’s eye bleeding outdated shite and every team in the league knows it’s coming. He even tried the same thing with Meshino up front it’s embarrassing to watch! There’s no excuses for him now, 2 games this season we’ve witnessed a half decent performance then straight back to type, he’s had his chance and I’m sick of watching a once great Hearts player suffer week in and week as he’s clueless as to why Hearts are getting beat every ****ing week by utter shite, god knows what the Rangers games will bring. He needs to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Rudy T said: So sick of hearing about injuries, it’s just one excuse after another. I’ll explain how we’ve turned in the odd decent performance without all these players, save you having to bring it up again. Levein doesn’t have a clue how to get the best out of the players that are left on a consistent basis, he cannot put a formation or style of play to suit these players, he sometimes stubbles across something that works but very rarely he then changes it the following week. He has one style that works for him and he buys the players to suit that, they get injured and he’s absolutely clueless. That style is 2nd ball football, get it forward as quick as possible and win the second ball to gain possession high up the pitch... it’s eye bleeding outdated shite and every team in the league knows it’s coming. He even tried the same thing with Meshino up front it’s embarrassing to watch! There’s no excuses for him now, 2 games this season we’ve witnessed a half decent performance then straight back to type, he’s had his chance and I’m sick of watching a once great Hearts player suffer week in and week as he’s clueless as to why Hearts are getting beat every ****ing week by utter shite, god knows what the Rangers games will bring. He needs to go! JamboAl seems to think that a spate of injuries justifies us being bottom of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitJuice Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, JamboAl said: Who are you calling project players WTF this has to do with our current situation is beyond me. You seem to be running away scratching around for something to hit the club but you do now what. To refresh your memory I repeat below what I said earlier and invite you to deny it. Levein's resources are mostly in the treatment room not on the field. Naismith, Halkett, Washington, Walker, Haring,Souttar etc Halkett, Washington and Walker weren't here last season, so how can them being injured explain last seasons 6th place finish? Souttar also played last season. So that only leaves Naismith being out as the reason we finished 6th. Should levein take any responsibility for how things have been for the last two years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, FruitJuice said: Halkett, Washington and Walker weren't here last season, so how can them being injured explain last seasons 6th place finish? Souttar also played last season. So that only leaves Naismith being out as the reason we finished 6th. Should levein take any responsibility for how things have been for the last two years? Apparently not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitJuice Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Apparently not. So it was only Naismith being injured last season that got us finishing so low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, JamboAl said: You belie your username. It is not an excuse. It is a fact and I ask you "Do you think we would be a much better team with these players than we are now?" You’re good at asking questions. Do you fancy answering one? Do do you think Craig Levien has got the best out of the players he has had available ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Be exactly as I am now. That's cleared that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, FruitJuice said: So it was only Naismith being injured last season that got us finishing so low. Apparently so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, FruitJuice said: So it was only Naismith being injured last season that got us finishing so low. Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, FruitJuice said: I'm asking you as you are a staunch advocate of our coaching set up. Cant you name any? Pretty damning of our set up if you can't I'm not a staunch advocate. If going on about project players what I would say is that guys like Clare have played too much due to injuries. Again, I'd need to compare to other teams to get a fair indication of what constitutes success of a project player, and what is a project player. Again, it's secondary to our poor form anyway. Are you saying if we had a couple of successful project players you'd be happy with things? If not, what is your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Rudy T said: So sick of hearing about injuries, it’s just one excuse after another. I’ll explain how we’ve turned in the odd decent performance without all these players, save you having to bring it up again. Levein doesn’t have a clue how to get the best out of the players that are left on a consistent basis, he cannot put a formation or style of play to suit these players, he sometimes stubbles across something that works but very rarely he then changes it the following week. He has one style that works for him and he buys the players to suit that, they get injured and he’s absolutely clueless. That style is 2nd ball football, get it forward as quick as possible and win the second ball to gain possession high up the pitch... it’s eye bleeding outdated shite and every team in the league knows it’s coming. He even tried the same thing with Meshino up front it’s embarrassing to watch! There’s no excuses for him now, 2 games this season we’ve witnessed a half decent performance then straight back to type, he’s had his chance and I’m sick of watching a once great Hearts player suffer week in and week as he’s clueless as to why Hearts are getting beat every ****ing week by utter shite, god knows what the Rangers games will bring. He needs to go! So am I but unfortunately that's the reality. It is not an excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewiseone Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, FruitJuice said: We have finished 5th, 6th and 6th, We haven't improved any player that we have signed and some posters think he still deserves to be at the club in some footballing capacity. There is nothing to suggest that they are getting things right. 100%, all a big smokescreen. The communication things aren't working lie on the treatment table, simple! 3 minutes ago, JamboAl said: You belie your username. It is not an excuse. It is a fact and I ask you "Do you think we would be a much better team with these players than we are now?" Excuses, excuses, full of excuses, the games almost up, why will it be any different in 3/4/5 months with the same regime in place, I think my name actually represents me well thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, Smith's right boot said: I'm not a staunch advocate. If going on about project players what I would say is that guys like Clare have played too much due to injuries. Again, I'd need to compare to other teams to get a fair indication of what constitutes success of a project player, and what is a project player. Again, it's secondary to our poor form anyway. Are you saying if we had a couple of successful project players you'd be happy with things? If not, what is your point? His point is that Levein is not delivering on any front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, FruitJuice said: Halkett, Washington and Walker weren't here last season, so how can them being injured explain last seasons 6th place finish? Souttar also played last season. So that only leaves Naismith being out as the reason we finished 6th. Should levein take any responsibility for how things have been for the last two years? Did you forget the long spell Uche had out and Souttar and Berra and his replacement (Dunne) not to mention Mitchell, Brandon, even Shaughnessy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitJuice Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: I'm not a staunch advocate. If going on about project players what I would say is that guys like Clare have played too much due to injuries. Again, I'd need to compare to other teams to get a fair indication of what constitutes success of a project player, and what is a project player. Again, it's secondary to our poor form anyway. Are you saying if we had a couple of successful project players you'd be happy with things? If not, what is your point? My point is that, along with a pish first team, our coaching set up is shite if we haven't signed any players and improved them. Name some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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