Thomaso Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 4 hours ago, JamboAl said: That was what we tried to do with Cathro. It was an imaginative appointment which we now know failed but I feel that was largely down to Cathro's lack of communication skills and charisma, rather than his coaching ability. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Did Levein not know Cathro lacked communication skills and charisma when he appointed him Head Coach??? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 26 minutes ago, gedster said: Take away the vermin infiltrators and "Levein to go" will still be comfortably winning. You seriously believe that? How many Hibs fans do you honestly think have voted on the poll? I can only speak for myself but 50/50 seems about right amongst the Hearts fans I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Cruyff Turn said: 475 to 474 Looks like folk are willing to give things a bit longer. Polling only 50% is hardly a glowing endorsement.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Whatever said: You seriously believe that? How many Hibs fans do you honestly think have voted on the poll? I can only speak for myself but 50/50 seems about right amongst the Hearts fans I know. I said when he was appointed that Levein was a divisive character - that is what we now have - a divided support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: Polling only 50% is hardly a glowing endorsement.... It’s not quite headline making, sacking material either though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Just now, Cruickshank for Scotland said: I said when he was appointed that Levein was a divisive character - that is what we now have - a divided support. Well we’re either much improved next season or he’ll leave the club. I think we’ll be much improved - win for me/all of us. If we’re not he leaves Hearts - win for those who want to see him gone. Another season isn’t going to kill anyone. Time will tell where we end up. I’m looking forward to it already ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siegementality Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Whatever said: It’s not quite headline making, sacking material either though.... You can attempt to dress it up how you want but it’s pretty bad when half of those that voted want him gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Just now, siegementality said: You can attempt to dress it up how you want but it’s pretty bad when half of those that voted want him gone. I’m attempting to dress nothing up. 50/50 seems about right to me amongst the fans I know. It’s not the unanimous numbers of where we were shortly before Cathro left the club though. There will be a big swing on CL one way or the other dependent on next season, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynieman Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 I voted no. I like Levein, albeit I felt last season was a disappointment. I believe he's a decent manager and I think the manager merry-go-round system doesn't work. Look at Fergie with Man Utd (I'm not comparing Levein to him before anybody suggests), it took him time to be successful. I believe we're a short time away from an exciting time as a club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts_91 Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Whatever said: Well we’re either much improved next season or he’ll leave the club. I think we’ll be much improved - win for me/all of us. If we’re not he leaves Hearts - win for those who want to see him gone. Another season isn’t going to kill anyone. Time will tell where we end up. I’m looking forward to it already ? What a terrible way to look at things, close your eyes and hope for the best. Nothing I have seen this season since October gives me any hope of the football or results improving. It’s difficult decision to make as Budge doesn’t have anyone to lean on in regards to this. Or I’d imagine she wouldn’t feel comfortable doing the recruitment process as she has previously said she doesn’t know much about the football side. The fact is financially the club will suffer if we sign a raft of new players who again are not good enough for this league. The fact that only 50% of fans on this site want him to stay is damning. I really hope we make a change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 50/50 again after nigh on 1000 votes thats quite interesting from the aspect of why its changed from say 40/60...as id say it was maybe 35/65 before the Cup Final. Performance , hope , belief whats changed in some voters/posters opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, Whatever said: I’m attempting to dress nothing up. 50/50 seems about right to me amongst the fans I know. It’s not the unanimous numbers of where we were shortly before Cathro left the club though. There will be a big swing on CL one way or the other dependent on next season, imo. Spot on i think this would of been Cathro circa march... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Just now, Hearts_91 said: What a terrible way to look at things, close your eyes and hope for the best. Nothing I have seen this season since October gives me any hope of the football or results improving. It’s difficult decision to make as Budge doesn’t have anyone to lean on in regards to this. Or I’d imagine she wouldn’t feel comfortable doing the recruitment process as she has previously said she doesn’t know much about the football side. The fact is financially the club will suffer if we sign a raft of new players who again are not good enough for this league. The fact that only 50% of fans on this site want him to stay is damning. I really hope we make a change And the club wouldn’t suffer financially if we were to get rid, hire a new man and let him rip the squad apart? - all with no guarantee of well, anything really? CL has proven he can mould a very decent team given time. He showed that at the start of last season. We hope injuries aren’t as bad (surely not??!) We add to the squad with 4/5 signings that aim to improve the first team (not the huge turnover of previous summers. And we let the very talented young players supplement the squad and quality of the squad further. Taking all of that into account, it would be ridiculous to rip it all up and start again under a new man. I fully expect HMFC to be much improved next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, Tynieman said: I voted no. I like Levein, albeit I felt last season was a disappointment. I believe he's a decent manager and I think the manager merry-go-round system doesn't work. Look at Fergie with Man Utd (I'm not comparing Levein to him before anybody suggests), it took him time to be successful. I believe we're a short time away from an exciting time as a club. ?????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 15 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: I said when he was appointed that Levein was a divisive character - that is what we now have - a divided support. He very much is and always will be but the Cup Final showed its not always a divided support come game time and the team is bigger. The fans will always be divided outside of that as we are all opinionated , from different backgrounds or understanding of things , patience levels and all have forums and social media to bleat on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 We need a swingometer. Election night hasn't got a look in. 50/50 exactly as I type..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Whatever said: And the club wouldn’t suffer financially if we were to get rid, hire a new man and let him rip the squad apart? - all with no guarantee of well, anything really? CL has proven he can mould a very decent team given time. He showed that at the start of last season. We hope injuries aren’t as bad (surely not??!) We add to the squad with 4/5 signings that aim to improve the first team (not the huge turnover of previous summers. And we let the very talented young players supplement the squad and quality of the squad further. Taking all of that into account, it would be ridiculous to rip it all up and start again under a new man. I fully expect HMFC to be much improved next season. Likewise , August there was a few on here still saying this would be an average season next season is where it would click. Think if you’d said then Scottish Cup Final we’d of bitten your hand off no matter how we got there. It def made the season more tolerable. Next season has to be that step forward we expected or there is nowhere to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Olly Lee's left boot said: We need a swingometer. Election night hasn't got a look in. 50/50 exactly as I type..... Jon Snow voiceovers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Just now, sadj said: Likewise , August there was a few on here still saying this would be an average season next season is where it would click. Think if you’d said then Scottish Cup Final we’d of bitten your hand off no matter how we got there. It def made the season more tolerable. Next season has to be that step forward we expected or there is nowhere to go. Absolutely. ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 13 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: Did Levein not know Cathro lacked communication skills and charisma when he appointed him Head Coach??? ? Has everything got to be explained to you in words of one syllable? Cathro was young to become a manager and so was always a risk. Some new/young managers grow into the job like Villas-Boas while others struggle. IC was a very good coach, apparently, with European experience in Spain and Portugal as well as here in Scotland and England. He worked abroad under Nuno Espirito Santos and also with Newcastle under Steve McLaren and Rafa Benitez where he was 1st team coach. That is a pretty good CV and must be well enough respected for Santos to re-hire him at Wolves. With hindsight, of which you are clearly a master, it did not work out but that is the danger with people who drag their feet and are frightened of change. They keep on doing the same things wrong over and over again and expect to get a different result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Barack said: Just send him a tweet asking if he's up for commenting on the thread! Is he not a Labourite though he’ll be tweeted not to do it for us because we don’t accept and cowtow to certain people on here so therefore we must be Labour haters and Riley lovers.... Would be superb though... 1 minute ago, JamboAl said: Has everything got to be explained to you in words of one syllable? Cathro was young to become a manager and so was always a risk. Some new/young managers grow into the job like Villas-Boas while others struggle. IC was a very good coach, apparently, with European experience in Spain and Portugal as well as here in Scotland and England. He worked abroad under Nuno Espirito Santos and also with Newcastle under Steve McLaren and Rafa Benitez where he was 1st team coach. That is a pretty good CV and must be well enough respected for Santos to re-hire him at Wolves. With hindsight, of which you are clearly a master, it did not work out but that is the danger with people who drag their feet and are frightened of change. They keep on doing the same things wrong over and over again and expect to get a different result. Back on topic. One problem is footballers have personalities some are arrogant ****s if you aren’t strong enough they wont respect or listen to you. Cathro has arrogance but couldn’t command respect from players. When that happens its a lost cause. As a coach he doesn’t need that same voice and players will listen and respect him. You won’t know until you try if that voice is there. Unfortunately it wasn’t. This was eaten alive by players , media and fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Could one of the CL fans point to the facts supporting their view that he is a good manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 20 minutes ago, Whatever said: I’m attempting to dress nothing up. 50/50 seems about right to me amongst the fans I know. It’s not the unanimous numbers of where we were shortly before Cathro left the club though. There will be a big swing on CL one way or the other dependent on next season, imo. When you weigh up the poll results so far against those who have claimed... ''99 percent want him gone'' ''No -one supports CL'' "No one I know is renewing'' ''Everyone I know hates him''... It shows these claims to be utter fantasy by the posters with a very clear agenda. The poll has done little in real terms but it has shown up those who are blatantly lying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Prof said: Could one of the CL fans point to the facts supporting their view that he is a good manager. That's been covered to death on many other threads. And you are well aware of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Prof said: Could one of the CL fans point to the facts supporting their view that he is a good manager. Could you post one post where you don’t blame CL for everything from ruining Tony Watt to Rudi going back home to play longer? I’m assuming you are at least ages with my dad and as such i’ll be polite and respectful to you however I think having watched Hearts for 60+ years you would understand things now in the big picture are great , better than its ever been , things on the pitch are slightly below average for us and that and therefore have some patience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Barack said: ******NO IS LEADING, PEOPLE!***** Incredible news. Stay tuned. Only 20 votes until it's crowned Champion! I haven't been this nervous since I watched the hideous glass frontage being fitted. A proper balls-up by the contractors, I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Barack said: ******NO IS LEADING, PEOPLE!***** Incredible news. Stay tuned. Only 20 votes until it's crowned Champion! Can we still hit the projected 99 percent want him out though if not thats a win already ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, sadj said: Can we still hit the projected 99 percent want him out though if not thats a win already ? You get onto MORI, I'll liaise with Gallup. Let's see if we can get this sorted out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Just now, Barack said: *****THE NO LEAD HAS STRECHED TO TWO VOTES NOW***** Could this be a classic comeback deep into injury time...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 More wanting him to stay than go now Lots of posts on here stating that they have never spoken to anyone at a match who wants him to remain, give me a shout next home game and we can have a blether, maybe even a pre-match pint and we can sort that for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy81 Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 23 minutes ago, Tynieman said: I voted no. I like Levein, albeit I felt last season was a disappointment. I believe he's a decent manager and I think the manager merry-go-round system doesn't work. Look at Fergie with Man Utd (I'm not comparing Levein to him before anybody suggests), it took him time to be successful. I believe we're a short time away from an exciting time as a club. The past suggests Levein 3rd year shows marked improvement (us last time round 5-5-3, Dundee U similar?). I therefore think he gets next year to add the 3 or 4 attacking players to a solid core to the team. Add to that a few of the youngsters maybe ready to play a bigger part, and surely less injuries and I am hopefully of a much stronger season. That said I do think the support is split given how poor we have been, therefore a strong start to the season with convincing progress through league cup will be very important to get the 50-50 moving back in his favour. Improving home form also essential Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Just now, Bridge of Djoum said: You get onto the MAORIS, I'll liaise with Gallup. Let's see if we can get this sorted out. What do the New Zealanders have to do with it. Might be a bit difficult however i have a maori tattoo on my knee if that counts and I can be spokesman on their behalf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Just now, graygo said: More wanting him to stay than go now Lots of posts on here stating that they have never spoken to anyone at a match who wants him to remain, give me a shout next home game and we can have a blether, maybe even a pre-match pint and we can sort that for you. Aye but everyone...EVERYONE that has voted for him to stay NEVER goes to games and /or is a vermin infiltrator. Take away those 2 reasons and you'll discover the actual amount that want him out is 98.91 percent. Still not quite the 99 percent claimed, but close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, Barack said: *****THE NO LEAD HAS STRECHED TO TWO VOTES NOW***** Could this be a classic comeback deep into injury time...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 1 minute ago, sadj said: What do the New Zealanders have to do with it. Might be a bit difficult however i have a maori tattoo on my knee if that counts and I can be spokesman on their behalf? That'll probably make more sense than my idea. DO IT SADJ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Barack said: *****THE LEAD IS NOW THREE (3)***** This, ladies & gentlemen of JKB & the wider community, is looking like an unlikely, & historic victory. Unless a drastic last minute challenge from new members happens. Keep voting "1st time posters long time readers". You are the silent voice!?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Bridge of Djoum said: That'll probably make more sense than my idea. DO IT SADJ! A quick call to Maori HQ (done through esp by rubbing my tat) suggests that the poster claiming 99% is indeed talking shite and as a group our indigenous Polynesian friends as a collective are backing Craig to turn it around next season.... Edited June 2, 2019 by sadj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher75 Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 The good thing is whichever side loses can start campaigning for another referendum and we can do it all again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Just now, sadj said: A quick call to Maori HQ (done through esp by rubbing my tat) suggests that the poster claiming 99% is indeed talking shite and as a group our indigenous Polynesian friends as a collective are backing Craig to turn it around next season.... I'm calling the Papua New Guineans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Still waiting to read the massive list of achievements of CL as a manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Shit. Turns out I had the wrong number and got through to the Brand New Heavies instead. They said they'd love to get involved but are far too busy singing their camels to bed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Just now, Prof said: Still waiting to read the massive list of achievements of CL as a manager. Reported for trolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Just now, Prof said: Still waiting to read the massive list of achievements of CL as a manager. Still waiting for you to answer peoples questions based on your 60+ years of watching Hearts. Most Hearts managers don’t have a huge list of achievements in football. Most have also not been appointed Scotland manager though. The no trophies pish is just that. Absolute pathetic way to judge a manager anywhere outside of Rangers and Celtic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Do the votes of Hibs interlopers and other forum trollers get deducted or do we have a %error to this vote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher75 Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 (edited) As someone who has been keen to see a new manager in post for quite some time, what I really don't want is for us to see how things go and then make a change in October/November if there is no obvious sign of improvement. I actually think the time has already passed to make the change. I was really hoping we had someone lined up to take over and we would announce the change in the week after the Cup final. But if Levein is staying he may as well get the whole season. Edited June 2, 2019 by gnasher75 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 1 minute ago, sadj said: Do the votes of Hibs interlopers and other forum trollers get deducted or do we have a %error to this vote? So how would you know what they voted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 23 minutes ago, Bridge of Djoum said: I haven't been this nervous since I watched the hideous glass frontage being fitted. A proper balls-up by the contractors, I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, sadj said: Do the votes of Hibs interlopers and other forum trollers get deducted or do we have a %error to this vote? +/_ 99% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 1 minute ago, redjambo said: So how would you know what they voted? As far as one of those forums is concerned, you just need to ascertain how one of the posters voted... it’s an entire forum of wee dugs nodding away. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Just now, redjambo said: So how would you know what they voted? I’m just here to ask the questions not come up with the solutions though i’d say one is more likely to vote no one yes hence asking if we have a %error to cover it. Going by the posts of some we require a 50% error allowance(my maths may be wrong its sunday) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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