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[tolcross lad]

13 minutes ago, DarioHMFC said:

Definitely. We have so many good prospects coming through that if we don’t start giving them a game we run risk of losing them, and younger ones who see them not getting game time. 

At the this point in time none of the prospects can take on an effective DM role.Only Andy Irving comes near but IMO for this position he needs to be stronger in the tackle,quicker to the breakdown and better at anticipating  and reacting to dangerous situations.That does not mean that I dont see him getting there but he has a bit to do.Levein sees this and in his last post match interview referred to working with Andy on his defensive duties.If Haring is to be out for any length of time then the signing of a decent DM is a priority

[Guest ToqueJambo]

Just now, gowestjambo said:

 

It is quite incredible that we do not have a Playmaker in the team,  our lack of creativity is a worry imo.

 

Irving and Walker both provided good creativity on Friday. Naismith will when back, Washington linked up well with some good little passes, Clare is capable of it. Mulraney is all creativity. Walker got the No. 10 so will be expected to provide the creativity we missed last season.

[Alex Kintner]

4 minutes ago, bistokid said:

The argument was why bother signing CMs. We've got youngsters. Youngsters should be there to supplement quality.  We lost our best CM and our best DM is out injured. These players need replaced. The players I mentioned are journeyman who are no better than the youth. The balance to strike is have players of Djoum and Haring quality playing with the youngsters. The space to create opportunities for them should be made by moving on squad fillers. 

 

Yes but you said you wanted to avoid the youngsters having to be parachuted in. Surely getting rid of all your squad midfielders and relying only on Haring and One Other means you’re two injuries away from two youngsters in midfield?

 

I prefer the current approach. Levein could have went with Bozanic on Friday but felt Irving merited a start. If they are good enough they will play. 

[Guest ToqueJambo]

3 minutes ago, To Be Frank said:

 

Yes but you said you wanted to avoid the youngsters having to be parachuted in. Surely getting rid of all your squad midfielders and relying only on Haring and One Other means you’re two injuries away from two youngsters in midfield?

 

I prefer the current approach. Levein could have went with Bozanic on Friday but felt Irving merited a start. If they are good enough they will play. 

 

I think we will have a good mix in midfield after we sign one more:

 

Naismith (when he plays deeper), Walker, Mulraney, Haring, AN Other as first picks

 

Clare, Edwards, Bozanic as reserves

 

Cochrane, Smith, Irving, MacDonald as youngsters (although I think Cochrane and Irving are really reserves now)

 

We also have Michael Smith and Craig Halkett capable of taking on the DM role if needed.

Edited July 15, 2019 by ToqueJambo

[Alex Kintner]

6 minutes ago, gowestjambo said:

 

It is quite incredible that we do not have a Playmaker in the team,  our lack of creativity is a worry imo.

 

Why is that so incredible? Lots of teams don’t have a playmaker in centre midfield. Depends what formation and strategy you’re playing with. 

 

Who was the playmaker in the Kanchelskis/Keane/Ince/Giggs midfield? Or the Ripley/Sherwood/Batty/Wilcox midfield? Or the Gillespie/Lee/Batty/Ginola midfield?

 

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Edited July 15, 2019 by To Be Frank

[Class of 75]

44 minutes ago, OTT said:

I thought Bozanic was a defensive midfielder - and so could cover Haring?

Nowhere good enough at this level. 

[Clerry Jambo]

Couple of brief interviews with the gaffer

 

https://stv.tv/sport/football/1439256-levein-in-market-for-midfielder-but-rules-out-morrison-move/

[CloustonHMFC]

3 minutes ago, Class of 75 said:

Nowhere good enough at this level. 

Decent enough for cover when we’re short one week or need fresh legs toward the end of a game but he’s not good enough to be a replacement for a number of weeks. 

[dougal]

22 minutes ago, To Be Frank said:

 

Why is that so incredible? Lots of teams don’t have a playmaker in centre midfield. Depends what formation and strategy you’re playing with. 

 

Who was the playmaker in the Kanchelskis/Keane/Ince/Giggs midfield? Or the Ripley/Sherwood/Batty/Wilcox midfield? Or the Gillespie/Lee/Batty/Ginola midfield?

 

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Ince and Keane only played together for around two seasons max, maybe even less than two. The bottom line us that despite the defensive nature of both of them they were both very good footballers and both scored goals and had assists. You're forgetting that with Giggs and Kancelskis they had excellent wingers plus very good forwards and defenders. 

 

Same could be said for Sherwood and Batty. Both very good footballers.  Unfortunately comparing our mediocre midfield against the midfield of two EPL winning teams isn't really the same.

[jamie1874]

Bro in Law (Rangers ST holder) said a few stories at their friendly that we are interested in taking a player from them on loan. Dorrans was the one that came to mind. 

[Guest ToqueJambo]

4 minutes ago, dougal said:

 

Ince and Keane only played together for around two seasons max, maybe even less than two. The bottom line us that despite the defensive nature of both of them they were both very good footballers and both scored goals and had assists. You're forgetting that with Giggs and Kancelskis they had excellent wingers plus very good forwards and defenders. 

 

Same could be said for Sherwood and Batty. Both very good footballers.  Unfortunately comparing our mediocre midfield against the midfield of two EPL winning teams isn't really the same.

 

No it's not but the point was who was the playmaker? Our first choice midfield isn't mediocre in Premiership terms and has plenty creativity.

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

2 hours ago, Icon of Symmetry said:

 

I love this time of year! Might start trying to work a percentage for rumours that actually work out. 😄

I'll go less than 1

[dougal]

22 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

No it's not but the point was who was the playmaker? Our first choice midfield isn't mediocre in Premiership terms and has plenty creativity.

 

I get what you are saying but when you have wingers and forwards as talented as they had then they obviously don't always need playmakers but unfortunately we don't have the talent on the wings or up front that they had. Saying that as I did say both Keane and Ince chipped in with goals and assists and while they both could mix it, they were good footballers as well, plus as mentioned Keane shortly after began playing with Scholes and that turned out pretty well. I personally think that Sherwood was quite under rated.  He was a good footballer who could pick a pass, score goals and get stuck in when required.  While neither of the two midfield had what you would call a playmaker,  what they did have was 4 good and in some cases excellent footballers.  

Edited July 15, 2019 by dougal

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

1 hour ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

I think we will have a good mix in midfield after we sign one more:

 

Naismith (when he plays deeper), Walker, Mulraney, Haring, AN Other as first picks

 

Clare, Edwards, Bozanic as reserves

 

Cochrane, Smith, Irving, MacDonald as youngsters (although I think Cochrane and Irving are really reserves now)

 

We also have Michael Smith and Craig Halkett capable of taking on the DM role if needed.

Square pegs in round holes equals failure competition for places equals success 

[Alex Kintner]

36 minutes ago, dougal said:

 

Ince and Keane only played together for around two seasons max, maybe even less than two. 

 

Two seasons where they won the title iirc 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

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Same could be said for Sherwood and Batty. Both very good footballers.  Unfortunately comparing our mediocre midfield against the midfield of two EPL winning teams isn't really the same.

 

The quality of the player doesn’t matter, it’s the strategy/tactics that matter. By that logic you could say what’s the point in having a playmaker when they won’t be as good as Scholes or Pirlo?

 

How about Aberdeen an another example. Two hard working all round midfielders in Shinnie and Ferguson and then the creativity coming from the wider players.

 

Or Killie? Power and Dicker in the middle. Where’s their “playmaker”?

 

Edited July 15, 2019 by To Be Frank

[IveSeenTheLight]

1 hour ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

Probably both, but his record in Europe is pretty poor despite having so many attempts to get it right. He's had a few results as bad as our exit under Neilson, which means I think this tie could go the same way. When drawn against EPL opposition he did worse than our ragtag team at the time. Fair play, McInnes is a master at finishing 2nd in a Premiership without a full-strength Rangers, Hearts and/or Hibs but he's not exactly covered himself in glory in Europe.

 

 

 

Which poor results are you referring to?

 

His 1st season, when we beat better seats Groningen to go beyond seeding expectations?

His 2nd season in Europe, when we beat better seeded Rijeka away from home where they had been undefeated for some time, including games against Stuttgart, Real Betis, Lyon, Standard Liège, Sevilla and Feyenoord?

His 3rd season in Europe, where we outplayed better seeds Maribor and went out on a poor refereeing decision disallowing an away goal in favour of a penalty and didn’t send off the keeper, meaning we would have went through.

His 4th season in Europe where we beat better seeds Appolon Limassol at home and succumbed narrowly over two legs

His 5th season in Europe, where we drew with Burnley home and away in both legs over 90 minutes and only lost out in extra time of the second leg.

His 6th season in Europe, this season...........

 

Interesting to see which results you compare to your exit when Neilson had you in Europe.

i think you are just affirming the status of demonstrating you don’t know much about football?

 

Decent fishing attempt though.

[Leveins Battalion]

3 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

Which poor results are you referring to?

 

His 1st season, when we beat better seats Groningen to go beyond seeding expectations?

His 2nd season in Europe, when we beat better seeded Rijeka away from home where they had been undefeated for some time, including games against Stuttgart, Real Betis, Lyon, Standard Liège, Sevilla and Feyenoord?

His 3rd season in Europe, where we outplayed better seeds Maribor and went out on a poor refereeing decision disallowing an away goal in favour of a penalty and didn’t send off the keeper, meaning we would have went through.

His 4th season in Europe where we beat better seeds Appolon Limassol at home and succumbed narrowly over two legs

His 5th season in Europe, where we drew with Burnley home and away in both legs over 90 minutes and only lost out in extra time of the second leg.

His 6th season in Europe, this season...........

 

Interesting to see which results you compare to your exit when Neilson had you in Europe.

i think you are just affirming the status of demonstrating you don’t know much about football?

 

Decent fishing attempt though.

Fishing?Your on a Hearts forum day and night 👍🤣

[Alex Kintner]

1 minute ago, Leveins Battalion said:

Fishing?Your on a Hearts forum day and night 👍🤣

 

[DH1986]

Maybe we’ll sign another midfielder, over and above the holding midfielder, when Lee leaves 🤷🏻‍♂️

[IveSeenTheLight]

20 minutes ago, Leveins Battalion said:

Fishing?Your on a Hearts forum day and night 👍🤣

 

This is an interesting place to be, especially as we kick off the league against Hearts in under three weeks time.

 

[StevenNaismith]

Wouldn’t be surprised if we tried to get Adao back on loan (or possibly permanent if the price is right) from FC Sion as he was highly thought of by all the coaching staff when he was here. Seems to be well out the picture at Sion and is entering the final year of his contract.

[Leveins Battalion]

1 minute ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

This is an interesting place to be, especially as we kick off the league against Hearts in under three weeks time.

 

And how do you justify being on Jambos Kickback rest of the year?Added that you are posting shit about your tin pot club on a Hearts transfer thread?👍Suggest you go on Sheepshearing.com where 'likeminded' individuals will care about Derek McKinnes and his European adventures.

[Cruyff Turn]

14 minutes ago, DH1986 said:

Maybe we’ll sign another midfielder, over and above the holding midfielder, when Lee leaves 🤷🏻‍♂️

I think so. Depending on the outcome of Harings diagnosis. If he needs an operation on his hips/pelvis, it’ll be 4-6 months. 

[Tam 1874]

Think we should try and get Josh McEachran.

[Cruyff Turn]

4 minutes ago, StevenNaismith said:

Wouldn’t be surprised if we tried to get Adao back on loan (or possibly permanent if the price is right) from FC Sion as he was highly thought of by all the coaching staff when he was here. Seems to be well out the picture at Sion and is entering the final year of his contract.

Adao did a job in a piss poor team for a time being but he has no discipline within himself or tactically and isn’t much of a footballer either. 

[Martin_T]

24 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

Which poor results are you referring to?

 

His 1st season, when we beat better seats Groningen to go beyond seeding expectations?

His 2nd season in Europe, when we beat better seeded Rijeka away from home where they had been undefeated for some time, including games against Stuttgart, Real Betis, Lyon, Standard Liège, Sevilla and Feyenoord?

His 3rd season in Europe, where we outplayed better seeds Maribor and went out on a poor refereeing decision disallowing an away goal in favour of a penalty and didn’t send off the keeper, meaning we would have went through.

His 4th season in Europe where we beat better seeds Appolon Limassol at home and succumbed narrowly over two legs

His 5th season in Europe, where we drew with Burnley home and away in both legs over 90 minutes and only lost out in extra time of the second leg.

His 6th season in Europe, this season...........

 

Interesting to see which results you compare to your exit when Neilson had you in Europe.

i think you are just affirming the status of demonstrating you don’t know much about football?

 

Decent fishing attempt though.

 

So in summary, you've never once come close to getting to the group stage in five attempts. Whereas Dundalk FC from the League of Ireland did so in 2016.

 

Hearts European record is shite and Birkakara was humiliating. But generally speaking we have been beaten by some pretty decent teams and have less Bohemians and Skonto Riga's on our record than we do Atletico Madrid's, Bordeaux's, Red Star Belgrade's. Real Mallorca's, VFB Stuttgart, Feyenoord's, Schalke's, Liverpool and Spurs on our record. 

 

It is very frustrating that we've only qualified once in the past 7 years though and fair play to Aberdeen for doing so consistently.

[IveSeenTheLight]

1 minute ago, Leveins Battalion said:

And how do you justify being on Jambos Kickback rest of the year?Added that you are posting shit about your tin pot club on a Hearts transfer thread?👍Suggest you go on Sheepshearing.com where 'likeminded' individuals will care about Derek McKinnes and his European adventures.

 

I wouldn’t have brought it up.

but it seemed that Toque-Jambo had some faults with their views of reality

[DETTY29]

5 minutes ago, Barack said:

That's a great idea. Should we wish to increase our foul & bookings numbers by a factor of 100.

 

Only had to stand within 5 yards of an opponent and he'd get booked. 

 

And I actually liked his endeavour.

 

[Rocky jamboa]

3 hours ago, mc2607 said:

Was just speaking to a Jambo pal in work and we were discussing the possibility of signing Mulumbu and Morrison (of course unlikely considering their wages), but imagine:

 

GK Zlamal

RB Smith

CB Halkett

CB Souttar

LB Hickey 

DMC Haring/Mulumbu

RW Walker

LW Mulraney 

AMC Morrison

ST Naismith

ST Washington

 

Some team that would be. 

Yes, it would be, hence why it would be strange if we're not considering them. 

 

Would show a lack of ambition by not going after this type of player.

[IveSeenTheLight]

3 minutes ago, Martin_T said:

 

So in summary, you've never once come close to getting to the group stage in five attempts. Whereas Dundalk FC from the League of Ireland did so in 2016.

 

Hearts European record is shite and Birkakara was humiliating. But generally speaking we have been beaten by some pretty decent teams and have less Bohemians and Skonto Riga's on our record than we do Atletico Madrid's, Bordeaux's, Red Star Belgrade's. Real Mallorca's, VFB Stuttgart, Feyenoord's, Schalke's, Liverpool and Spurs on our record. 

 

It is very frustrating that we've only qualified once in the past 7 years though and fair play to Aberdeen for doing so consistently.

 

We have had some very poor results in Europe over the years.

I don’t deny that.

McInnes has however done very well.

 

Dundalk benefitted from a system that meant 1 very good win against a Belarusian side, put them through to the Champions league Play-Off and defeat meant they dropped into the Europa League Group Stage.

[Guest ToqueJambo]

47 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

Which poor results are you referring to?

 

His 1st season, when we beat better seats Groningen to go beyond seeding expectations?

His 2nd season in Europe, when we beat better seeded Rijeka away from home where they had been undefeated for some time, including games against Stuttgart, Real Betis, Lyon, Standard Liège, Sevilla and Feyenoord?

His 3rd season in Europe, where we outplayed better seeds Maribor and went out on a poor refereeing decision disallowing an away goal in favour of a penalty and didn’t send off the keeper, meaning we would have went through.

His 4th season in Europe where we beat better seeds Appolon Limassol at home and succumbed narrowly over two legs

His 5th season in Europe, where we drew with Burnley home and away in both legs over 90 minutes and only lost out in extra time of the second leg.

His 6th season in Europe, this season...........

 

Interesting to see which results you compare to your exit when Neilson had you in Europe.

i think you are just affirming the status of demonstrating you don’t know much about football?

 

Decent fishing attempt though.

 

So you agree his record in Europe is very poor despite all the goes at it! The better seeds thing is a red herring. Most of those teams - Rijeka, Maribor and Limassol - play in considerably worse leagues. Or put it this way, with all the resources he's had and all the consecutive goes at Europe, he hasn't had anywhere near the results and performances we've had vs Liverpool (home and away) and Spurs (away) recently, not to mention our previous results pre-Romanov in the 90s, early 2000s where we've beaten the likes of Bologna, Stuttgart, Braga, Bordeaux, Atheletico.

Edited July 15, 2019 by ToqueJambo

[GorgieFifeLife]

1 minute ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

We have had some very poor results in Europe over the years.

I don’t deny that.

McInnes has however done very well.

 

Dundalk benefitted from a system that meant 1 very good win against a Belarusian side, put them through to the Champions league Play-Off and defeat meant they dropped into the Europa League Group Stage.

McInnes is in his comfort zone wrapped up in the knowledge his budget means he will likely finish in the top 4 every year and that will be good enough for Aberdeen.  He was totally exposed as a manager down south.  He has taken Aberdeen as far as he can.

[Leveins Battalion]

6 minutes ago, Paulp74 said:

Yes, it would be, hence why it would be strange if we're not considering them. 

 

Would show a lack of ambition by not going after this type of player.

Dunno about ambition,but Craig Levein should be looking to add as much quality as he can because the fans patience has wore thin,you could feel it inside Tynie against Utd,he is one bad result away from.getting the Cathro treatment imo.😒

[Guest ToqueJambo]

16 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

I wouldn’t have brought it up.

but it seemed that Toque-Jambo had some faults with their views of reality

 

I didn't bring it up. You suggested that Aberdeen losing their tie would be surprising. I just pointed out McInnes has been losing to poor teams in Europe pretty regularly. Yes, we get it. You were great in Europe in the 80s. Largely shite since then though.

 

Edited July 15, 2019 by ToqueJambo

[pablo]

Get the Aberdeen Euro chat to feck.

[Guest ToqueJambo]

4 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

 

 

 

You missed my edit! 

 

The better seeds thing is a red herring. Most of those teams - Rijeka, Maribor and Limassol - play in considerably worse leagues. Or put it this way, with all the resources he's had and all the consecutive goes at Europe, he hasn't had anywhere near the results and performances we've had vs Liverpool (home and away) and Spurs (away) recently, not to mention our previous results pre-Romanov in the 90s, early 2000s where we've beaten the likes of Bologna, Stuttgart, Braga, Bordeaux, Atheletico.

Edited July 15, 2019 by ToqueJambo

[Irufushi]

Naismith plus one more signing isn’t enough, imo. Way short.

[Leveins Battalion]

2 minutes ago, Irufushi said:

Naismith plus one more signing isn’t enough, imo. Way short.

Surely Levein knows this also.

 

[jr ewing]

Loans on the way I will predict. 

[wavydavy]

5 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

It’s the same interview, you said he had been recommended to rest and would miss the start of the season, the 2nd opinion might not agree.

 

True but as he has done no pre-season work as far as I understand it would still be unlikely that he will be fit for the start of the season even if the 2nd opinion is different. He still seems to have pain so unlikely that he will be able to train.

[Jambo dans les Pyrenees]

55 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

Which poor results are you referring to?

 

His 1st season, when we beat better seats Groningen to go beyond seeding expectations?

His 2nd season in Europe, when we beat better seeded Rijeka away from home where they had been undefeated for some time, including games against Stuttgart, Real Betis, Lyon, Standard Liège, Sevilla and Feyenoord?

His 3rd season in Europe, where we got beat

His 4th season in Europe, where we got beat

His 5th season in Europe, where we got beat

His 6th season in Europe, this season...........

 

Interesting to see which results you compare to your exit when Neilson had you in Europe.

i think you are just affirming the status of demonstrating you don’t know much about football?

 

Decent fishing attempt though.

 

I see some debate has rumbled on, but thought I'd fix it for you.  Some record, right enough.

 

PS - was at the 2-1 game at the end of March.  You guys are finished.  There's a reason McInnes has signed a new 3 year deal.

Edited July 15, 2019 by Queensland Jambo

[Rocky jamboa]

18 minutes ago, Leveins Battalion said:

Dunno about ambition,but Craig Levein should be looking to add as much quality as he can because the fans patience has wore thin,you could feel it inside Tynie against Utd,he is one bad result away from.getting the Cathro treatment imo.😒

Definitely. This season is his last chance and a poor start would have the fans on his back again. He's got a bit of a reprieve due to the cup final performance.

[Irufushi]

17 minutes ago, Leveins Battalion said:

Surely Levein knows this also.

 

 

You’d ****ing hope so, few injuries and another wasted season ahead.

[sadj]

37 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said:

Adao did a job in a piss poor team for a time being but he has no discipline within himself or tactically and isn’t much of a footballer either. 

He had some cracking bits of play in transitional phases but after he got the Murdo McLeod shoot the wrong way syndrome he didn’t seem to remember how to even pass the ball. He would def need more self discipline now but we’ve had worse shouts

[HEARTS FOREVER]

We badly need two decent centre midfielders.

We also need another striker.

If Levein cant see this then he is deluded. I reckon he's one bad result away from the fans turning on him. Hope he proves me wrong but his chat today fills me with dread. 

Edited July 15, 2019 by HEARTS FOREVER

[Alex Kintner]

3 minutes ago, HEARTS FOREVER said:

We badly need two decent centre midfielders.

We also need another striker.

If Levein cant see this then he is deluded. I reckon he's one bad result away from the fans turning on him. Hope he proves me wrong but his chat today fills me with dread. 

 

Uche

Washington

Naismith

MacLean

Keena

Henderson

 

That’s plenty.

[Mr Elwood P]

58 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

 

 

Got the ball.

[Dr Ian Malcolm]

He can't really win. The squad is either too big and full of deadwood or "well short". The youngsters will provide back up while we find out if they are good enough to become regulars longer term. That's the whole point. Otherwise we'd never know and the "play the laddies/need more experience" cycle of tedium starts again.

 

Scottish teams can't afford quality back up in every position. He's made the first 11 stronger, which was the priority. Another decent CM who can act as short term cover for Haring then continue to do a job after he's back, plus Naismith finally signing, leaves  us in pretty good shape.

 

I suspect part of the problem is fans like signings and want to see as many as possible while the window is open whether they're actually needed or not.

[gov]

3 minutes ago, Dr Ian Malcolm said:

He can't really win. The squad is either too big and full of deadwood or "well short". The youngsters will provide back up while we find out if they are good enough to become regulars longer term. That's the whole point. Otherwise we'd never know and the "play the laddies/need more experience" cycle of tedium starts again.

 

Scottish teams can't afford quality back up in every position. He's made the first 11 stronger, which was the priority. Another decent CM who can act as short term cover for Haring then continue to do a job after he's back, plus Naismith finally signing, leaves  us in pretty good shape.

 

I suspect part of the problem is fans like signings and want to see as many as possible while the window is open whether they're actually needed or not.

👌

[Beast Boy]

9 minutes ago, Dr Ian Malcolm said:

He can't really win. The squad is either too big and full of deadwood or "well short". The youngsters will provide back up while we find out if they are good enough to become regulars longer term. That's the whole point. Otherwise we'd never know and the "play the laddies/need more experience" cycle of tedium starts again.

 

Scottish teams can't afford quality back up in every position. He's made the first 11 stronger, which was the priority. Another decent CM who can act as short term cover for Haring then continue to do a job after he's back, plus Naismith finally signing, leaves  us in pretty good shape.

 

I suspect part of the problem is fans like signings and want to see as many as possible while the window is open whether they're actually needed or not.

 

Agreed.