JackLadd Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Can the GOP sink any lower? There isn't a principal or ideal they wouldn't sell out for Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, JackLadd said: There isn't a principal or ideal they wouldn't sell out for Trump. Not so much Trump as the Trump voting base. I'm pretty confident the bulk of them know Trump has been a disaster and despise him. If they continue to go full speed down the crazy path to appease the Trump base I can see them becoming unelectable to the White House for generations to come. And especially so if the Dems do something about gerrymandering and the electoral college system. Reorganise those two things and the Dems could be in power indefinitely unless the Republicans completely dismantle and start over as an entirely different entity. Even before going down the full blown crazy path the Republicans were rarely winning the popular vote in the nation. It was only the inequitable Republican gerrymandering and the deeply flawed electoral college system that ever got them into office. It's predominately a liberal nation and has been for a long time. Classic example of the tail wagging the dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 More MTG videos showing how completely cuckoo she is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Mysterion said: More MTG videos showing how completely cuckoo she is... Can you read that, and know that the political party she was elected to serve in to represent her constituents, are squirming and dodging to avoid taking any disciplinary action. This is now the party of Donald Trump, a liar, an adulterer, a financial manipulator, and the leader of that party in action if not in position. This is the man who boasted of his friendship with Xi, who declared many times his love for a Korean despot, and who will never admit that he was soundly beaten in an election. He and those of his ilk will if not already planning it attempt to overthrow the democratic electoral system, not just Democrats or the present elected Presidency, but the full system. Sometimes you can see those things and accept the potential of someone like Trump not the healthiest looking specimen in his seventies, that it will only last as long as he does, but in my view there are enough candidates to vie over the leadership and power who will create a legend of Trump to last beyond his lifetime and use it and their fealty to him to gain power. We saw on January sixth there is a potential army available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I thought the Republicans would find some sanity. Now I think the USA is on borrowed time. It may well be over before the UK if the Republicans continues to play to the crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haveyouheard1874 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 20 hours ago, Mysterion said: More MTG videos showing how completely cuckoo she is... Its insane that a loony like her gets airtime .. dangerous bucket though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 On 31/01/2021 at 18:37, Sharpie said: Heard a brief comment on the news that anti Putin riots happening in Russia, quite a coincidence in a way. No it's not it's totally unrelated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said: No it's not it's totally unrelated. I wasnt actually relating them, I just thought it was a matter of coincidence that Putin and Trump being the two persons they are were both named in riots. Of course it would be difficult to see a relationship in the two incidences as one Putin was the victim of the riots when the other Trump is reputed to be the cause of them in America on 6th June. I was not suggesting in any manner that either was responsible or connected to the happenings of the other, why I used the word coincidental, I see that as describing two matters totally unrelated but having a similarity of circumstance Edited February 1, 2021 by Sharpie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambos_1874 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 22 hours ago, Mysterion said: More MTG videos showing how completely cuckoo she is... Did she say she was against the living wage? I can't understand why anyone would be against that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 47 minutes ago, Jambos_1874 said: Did she say she was against the living wage? I can't understand why anyone would be against that. It’s a belief that you aren’t able to elevate yourself to earn a fair living then you shouldn’t expect your employer to reward you or the government to support (via social security). A big chunk of Americans like MTG have a perverse idea on what socialism is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 "All tax is theft" "America is built on self reliance" "Any redistribution of funds is communist" But also: "Build that wall (paid with federal taxes)" "We want new nukes and more armed forces (paid with federal taxes)" "We demand that our industries be supported (with federal taxes)" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 9 hours ago, Cade said: "All tax is theft" "America is built on self reliance" "Any redistribution of funds is communist" But also: "Build that wall (paid with federal taxes)" "We want new nukes and more armed forces (paid with federal taxes)" "We demand that our industries be supported (with federal taxes)" The ignorance is quite staggering, check this pic taken of Republican voters protesting something or other about Obama. KEEP GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY MEDICARE! YOU DAMN SOCIALISTS! I don't know where they think that Medicare comes from. Maybe the Medicare fairy? 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 "Obamacare is communism" "Don't touch my Affordable Care Act" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 15 hours ago, Jambos_1874 said: Did she say she was against the living wage? I can't understand why anyone would be against that. Because (i) it's socialist! (ii) it means folk will get lazy and entitled, (iii) business owners will have less income to contribute to patriotic endeavours such as the anti-space laser program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavySlaveJambo Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 On 31/01/2021 at 23:40, Mysterion said: More MTG videos showing how completely cuckoo she is... She’s QAnon. What do you expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 "Bullhorn Lady" now identified, vis-à-vis the Capital Riot. https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/a-pennsylvania-mothers-path-to-insurrection-capitol-riot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 On 02/02/2021 at 15:58, redjambo said: "Bullhorn Lady" now identified, vis-à-vis the Capital Riot. https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/a-pennsylvania-mothers-path-to-insurrection-capitol-riot You know, I'm still a little bit shook that in one riot at the Capitol, the Blue Lives Matter MAGA folks managed to kill more police than died at a thousand BLM marches over the summer. It's almost like pretty much all the BLM protests were peaceful or something. Nah, that couldn't be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Justin Z said: You know, I'm still a little bit shook that in one riot at the Capitol, the Blue Lives Matter MAGA folks managed to kill more police than died at a thousand BLM marches over the summer. It's almost like pretty much all the BLM protests were peaceful or something. Nah, that couldn't be it. "This is not who we really are." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 33 minutes ago, redjambo said: "This is not who we really are." Hah, indeed! There was a bit of a kerfuffle here last year as well, regarding the contention that ICE and DHS are irredeemably structurally racist government agencies and need to be abolished. Well, ICE is now ignoring President Biden's executive order to halt removals, as it rushes to deport primarily African and Caribbean migrants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T.F.Robertson Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 41 minutes ago, redjambo said: "This is not who we really are." Chelsea fans, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Canada designates the Proud Boys as a terrorist organisation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 56 minutes ago, Justin Z said: You know, I'm still a little bit shook that in one riot at the Capitol, the Blue Lives Matter MAGA folks managed to kill more police than died at a thousand BLM marches over the summer. It's almost like pretty much all the BLM protests were peaceful or something. Nah, that couldn't be it. The Capitol riot was not perpetrated by Trump supporters; it was done by Antifa, socialists, and Democrats posing as Trump supporters, dontcha know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Maple Leaf said: The Capitol riot was not perpetrated by Trump supporters; it was done by Antifa, socialists, and Democrats posing as Trump supporters, dontcha know? Interlopers to a man (or woman) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalamazoo Jambo Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 48 minutes ago, Kalamazoo Jambo said: The GOP is sinking lower and lower into the swamp of fanaticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 I just watched the 5.00pm and 6.00pm news broadcasts flipping channels while I watched. Republicans voted on whether Liz Cheney should be removed from her position as third senior person. The vote in her favor was something like 140 to 65. Her crime was voting for Impeachment of Trump. Meanwhile the leader of the GOP had a meeting with Ms Greene, who has said forest fires are started by lasers from space, that there was no plane hit the Pentagon, has harassed a young man a survivor of one of the horrendous school shootings, she is allegedly a follower of QANON. No action taken, and she stays on the Education Committee. The party is in crisis, many follow faithfully, but blindly Donald Trump, the system of Government is in a mess, Biden is ruling by Executive order, as an elderly outsider I stand to be corrected, but in my opinion the Country is in chaos. One wee snippet of news a woman who appeared on TV stating she was a participant in the riot was part of a group who broke in to Pelosi's office. She has been charged but released on Bail, she has now asked the Judge for permission to go to Mexico. Even she can not be so stupid that she will be allowed to leave the Country while on Bail with charges pending, but thats the mentality that is ruling the USA society just now. Am I the only one that wonders how long China or Russia or even someone like Iran will wait to take advantage of this absolute state of stupidity, out of control entity, led by either incompetence or sheer stupidity of both ruling parties, the only saving grace may be that their leaders are not a helluva lot smarter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sharpie said: I just watched the 5.00pm and 6.00pm news broadcasts flipping channels while I watched. Republicans voted on whether Liz Cheney should be removed from her position as third senior person. The vote in her favor was something like 140 to 65. Her crime was voting for Impeachment of Trump. Meanwhile the leader of the GOP had a meeting with Ms Greene, who has said forest fires are started by lasers from space, that there was no plane hit the Pentagon, has harassed a young man a survivor of one of the horrendous school shootings, she is allegedly a follower of QANON. No action taken, and she stays on the Education Committee. The party is in crisis, many follow faithfully, but blindly Donald Trump, the system of Government is in a mess, Biden is ruling by Executive order, as an elderly outsider I stand to be corrected, but in my opinion the Country is in chaos. One wee snippet of news a woman who appeared on TV stating she was a participant in the riot was part of a group who broke in to Pelosi's office. She has been charged but released on Bail, she has now asked the Judge for permission to go to Mexico. Even she can not be so stupid that she will be allowed to leave the Country while on Bail with charges pending, but thats the mentality that is ruling the USA society just now. Am I the only one that wonders how long China or Russia or even someone like Iran will wait to take advantage of this absolute state of stupidity, out of control entity, led by either incompetence or sheer stupidity of both ruling parties, the only saving grace may be that their leaders are not a helluva lot smarter. Russia is the reason the USA is in such a mess. They've been pulling at the the frayed star spangled banner for decades and now it's starting to come apart. China just throw the odd hand grenade by taking over the economic mess the US leave behind. Edited February 4, 2021 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 2 hours ago, ri Alban said: Russia is the reason the USA is in such a mess. They've been pulling at the the frayed star spangled banner for decades and now it's starting to come apart. China just throw the odd hand grenade by taking over the economic mess the US leave behind. Nah. We don't get off so easy by blaming foreign powers. The USA is a mess for a lot of reasons, historical and current, that have **** all to do with anyone else but ourselves. We've had one party playing up to people's feelings for a half century, claiming they deal in facts. Whether it's discredited, trickle-down economics, or coddling various forms of privilege and turning it into imagined victimhood and oppression, by making up ridiculous issues like the "war on Christmas", the GOP embraced post-truth politics to skew wildly and nuttily right, and it shows. They actively encourage idiocracy. Meanwhile, the Dems did the exact same thing as happened on this island 25 years ago and why it's in such a mess: Instead of pulling left to keep a balance in the centre as the Republicans went crazier and crazier right wing, they went full on New Labour and simply fully became a party of corporations. The resulting decades of austerity and spiraling wealth inequality have weakened the US further. Russia had less than zero to do with any of that. For them to exploit the States' own self-directed destruction is such a marginal issue as to not matter a jot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Less than a month. Oh the furore that raged a few pages back at the idea that maybe, just MAYBE, a bunch of unaccountable big tech billionaires deciding what's allowed online is a bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 11 hours ago, Maple Leaf said: The GOP is sinking lower and lower into the swamp of fanaticism. How would you describe these quotes? Below is from a Michael Beschloss supposedly a historian of sorts who, tbh, I've never heard of. "This was a president of the United States inciting an insurrection, a terrorist attack on Congress ... We observe 9/11. We remember the fact that there were attacks that landed, one that almost landed, which was an effort to fly an airplane into the Capitol [and] kill lot of members of Congress. That almost happened. Here is a terrorist attack that did happen". And this from our old friend and unity fan Sandy Cortez. "I jump into my bathroom and I close the door and I just keep hearing bang, bang, bang ... I open the door when all of a sudden I hear that whoever was trying to get inside got into my office ... and I just hear, "Where is she? Where is she? And this was the moment where I thought everything was over". Turns out the rioters were never in the area Sandy's office is located. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 35 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: How would you describe these quotes? Below is from a Michael Beschloss supposedly a historian of sorts who, tbh, I've never heard of. "This was a president of the United States inciting an insurrection, a terrorist attack on Congress ... We observe 9/11. We remember the fact that there were attacks that landed, one that almost landed, which was an effort to fly an airplane into the Capitol [and] kill lot of members of Congress. That almost happened. Here is a terrorist attack that did happen". And this from our old friend and unity fan Sandy Cortez. "I jump into my bathroom and I close the door and I just keep hearing bang, bang, bang ... I open the door when all of a sudden I hear that whoever was trying to get inside got into my office ... and I just hear, "Where is she? Where is she? And this was the moment where I thought everything was over". Turns out the rioters were never in the area Sandy's office is located. The clip I saw of AOC, she said almost exactly what you've posted except that she was in someone else's office - another lady congressperson, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Turns out the rioters were never in the area Sandy's office is located. Notable that Seymour is modelling his language after beloved by white supremacists Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson by calling her “Sandy”. He's also passing along discredited information pushed by the right wing gutter press (which in the US, much like here, is now essentially all of it). AOC was not in the Capitol building itself and never claimed to be. There were rioters all over the Capitol complex, including at the representatives' offices, where bombs were also found. This is below even your usual standards of spraff pish now, get called on talking utter uninformed shite later. If you cared a jot about the truth you'd retract straight away. Oh and the quotes? They're a reflection of reality. No wonder you take issue with them. Edited February 4, 2021 by Justin Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said: And this from our old friend and unity fan Sandy Cortez. "I jump into my bathroom and I close the door and I just keep hearing bang, bang, bang ... I open the door when all of a sudden I hear that whoever was trying to get inside got into my office ... and I just hear, "Where is she? Where is she? And this was the moment where I thought everything was over". Turns out the rioters were never in the area Sandy's office is located. Always worth questioning things and fact checking them - here is the info regarding those quotes. https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9953835664 Edited February 4, 2021 by Mysterion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 8 hours ago, Justin Z said: Nah. We don't get off so easy by blaming foreign powers. The USA is a mess for a lot of reasons, historical and current, that have **** all to do with anyone else but ourselves. We've had one party playing up to people's feelings for a half century, claiming they deal in facts. Whether it's discredited, trickle-down economics, or coddling various forms of privilege and turning it into imagined victimhood and oppression, by making up ridiculous issues like the "war on Christmas", the GOP embraced post-truth politics to skew wildly and nuttily right, and it shows. They actively encourage idiocracy. Meanwhile, the Dems did the exact same thing as happened on this island 25 years ago and why it's in such a mess: Instead of pulling left to keep a balance in the centre as the Republicans went crazier and crazier right wing, they went full on New Labour and simply fully became a party of corporations. The resulting decades of austerity and spiraling wealth inequality have weakened the US further. Russia had less than zero to do with any of that. For them to exploit the States' own self-directed destruction is such a marginal issue as to not matter a jot. Yes, but they've maneuvered Trump to trigger the problems you detail in your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Mysterion said: Always worth questioning things and fact checking them - here is the info regarding those quotes. https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9953835664 I'm not sure that has anything to do with what I posted as my quote has no mention of the officer saying anything about MAGA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said: And this from our old friend and unity fan Sandy Cortez. "I jump into my bathroom and I close the door and I just keep hearing bang, bang, bang ... I open the door when all of a sudden I hear that whoever was trying to get inside got into my office ... and I just hear, "Where is she? Where is she? And this was the moment where I thought everything was over". Turns out the rioters were never in the area Sandy's office is located. It turned out that the person shouting "Where is she?!" and banging on the door was a capital cop (who didn't identify himself as such). That doesn't mean that she wouldn't have been scared shitless by the situation, knowing that the Capitol was in the process of being over-run, and worried that the Cannon Office building might be too. People have made death and other threats against AOC - it is certainly understandable that she was scared by the whole scenario. Excusing the actions of hooligans and (by the nature of the terror they invoked) terrorists by selecting a quote out of context and building a false narrative from it is not particularly clever. It's a cold day in hell, because here's the Daily Mail helping to elucidate: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9221269/AOC-hits-Republicans-claiming-never-Capitol.html Edited February 4, 2021 by redjambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Another voting company is suing Rudy Giulliani, Fox news and Sidney 'Kraken' Powell for 2.7 billion dollars. Dull yin. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/02/04/media/smartmatic-fox-news-giuliani-powell-lawsuit/index.html?__twitter_impression=true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 23 minutes ago, redjambo said: It turned out that the person shouting "Where is she?!" and banging on the door was a capital cop (who didn't identify himself as such). That doesn't mean that she wouldn't have been scared shitless by the situation, knowing that the Capitol was in the process of being over-run, and worried that the Cannon Office building might be too. People have made death and other threats against AOC - it is certainly understandable that she was scared by the whole scenario. Excusing the actions of hooligans and (by the nature of the terror they invoked) terrorists by selecting a quote out of context and building a false narrative from it is not particularly clever. It's a cold day in hell, because here's the Daily Mail helping to elucidate: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9221269/AOC-hits-Republicans-claiming-never-Capitol.html Show where I am excusing the rioters? Your post oozes self righteousness which is definitely not very clever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Show where I am excusing the rioters? Your post oozes self righteousness which is definitely not very clever. You provided a false interpretation of the context of AOC's quote, thus perpetuating the myth that she had invented a confrontation that never existed. I assume, because it took me a matter of seconds to research said context on t'internet, that you either didn't bother to do any fact verification on your interpretation that she was making it up because rioters were not near her office, or intentionally ignored the reality in order to propagate the myth. Perhaps the idea that she was lying was sufficiently aligned with your politics that you felt no need to check to see if it was actually true. This is everything that is wrong with social media. It's how falsehoods are born and then grow legs. And one can tell that one's politics are pretty well awry when even the Daily Mail presents things in a more balanced way than one does. (The use of the pronoun "one" intentionally used so that you are able to add fuel to the fire for your ad hominem attack of "self-righteousness" ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, redjambo said: You provided a false interpretation of the context of AOC's quote, thus perpetuating the myth that she had invented a confrontation that never existed. I assume, because it took me a matter of seconds to research said context on t'internet, that you either didn't bother to do any fact verification on your interpretation that she was making it up because rioters were not near her office, or intentionally ignored the reality in order to propagate the myth. Perhaps the idea that she was lying was sufficiently aligned with your politics that you felt no need to check to see if it was actually true. This is everything that is wrong with social media. It's how falsehoods are born and then grow legs. And one can tell that one's politics are pretty well awry when even the Daily Mail presents things in a more balanced way than one does. (The use of the pronoun "one" intentionally used so that you are able to add fuel to the fire for your ad hominem attack of "self-righteousness" ). What false interpretation? I took a quote and asked Maple Leaf his thoughts. He's yet to come back to me. I don't believe I ever suggested she was making anything up. There's only one person making things up here red. You. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 25 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Show where I am excusing the rioters? Your post oozes self righteousness which is definitely not very clever. I should add that this "Excusing..." line section of my original post was actually addressed at elements in the media, but as you assumed that it was directed at you, I thought I would roll with it. Anyway, here's my take, Seymour. The Capital rioters, in addition to the physical damage to both person and property, caused great fear to those in the Capital complex and surrounding areas. I don't think that enough has been made of this aspect. It must have been absolutely fecking terrifying to know that rioters were on the rampage and that if they found your hiding place then you could be hurt. And that state of fear was sustained for several hours, with mostly only TV reports of rampaging rioters to guide you as to what was happening outside your (hopefully) barricaded doors. I don't think that enough has been made of the pure terror induced in individuals by the rioters. The rap sheets that I've read don't tend to mention it. And then, when one individual speaks up about that terror, they are shot down by having their comments misinterpreted. That is what I don't find clever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Seymour M Hersh said: What false interpretation? I took a quote and asked Maple Leaf his thoughts. He's yet to come back to me. I don't believe I ever suggested she was making anything up. There's only one person making things up here red. You. So "Turns out the rioters were never in the area Sandy's office is located." was a quote and not your own words? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 minute ago, redjambo said: I should add that this "Excusing..." line section of my original post was actually addressed at elements in the media, but as you assumed that it was directed at you, I thought I would roll with it. Anyway, here's my take, Seymour. The Capital rioters, in addition to the physical damage to both person and property, caused great fear to those in the Capital complex and surrounding areas. I don't think that enough has been made of this aspect. It must have been absolutely fecking terrifying to know that rioters were on the rampage and that if they found your hiding place then you could be hurt. And that state of fear was sustained for several hours, with mostly only TV reports of rampaging rioters to guide you as to what was happening outside your (hopefully) barricaded doors. I don't think that enough has been made of the pure terror induced in individuals by the rioters. The rap sheets that I've read don't tend to mention it. And then, when one individual speaks up about that terror, they are shot down by having their comments misinterpreted. That is what I don't find clever. I've yet to see any mainstream media excusing the rioters. Ffs even Fox News aren't doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 minute ago, redjambo said: So "Turns out the rioters were never in the area Sandy's office is located." was a quote and not your own words? Paraphrasing from another Representative's quote who has an office very close to Sandy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Just now, Seymour M Hersh said: I've yet to see any mainstream media excusing the rioters. Ffs even Fox News aren't doing that. By incorrectly dismissing the terror induced in this particular individual by the storming of the Capitol, the implication is that the full destructive impacts of the riot are somehow reduced, as in the rioters are effectively excused for a portion of the damage they caused, namely the terror they invoked in individuals. Hopefully that expresses it better, although in a far more wordy manner. If AOC had been lying, it would have been newsworthy to point out that this were the case. As it was, she was in terror but fortunately it turned out to be a capital cop. That does not diminish the terror she felt, and I've already explained why with the threats against her combined with the behaviour of those storming the Capital, it is completely understandable that she felt that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Paraphrasing from another Representative's quote who has an office very close to Sandy. But with no quotes around it. You can see why I thought these were your words, and not a quote from someone else, particularly as the previous sentence had been in quotes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, redjambo said: But with no quotes around it. You can see why I thought these were your words, and not a quote from someone else, particularly as the previous sentence had been in quotes. Fair enough but I thought you'd have checked t'nternet. Oh and I said I paraphrased a quote from elsewhere hence the lack of quotations. Rep. Nancy Mace @RepNancyMace · 2 Feb . @AOC made clear she didn’t know who was at her door. Breathless attempts by media to fan fictitious news flames are dangerous. My office is 2 doors down. Insurrectionists never stormed our hallway. Egregious doesn’t even begin to cover it. Is there nothing MSM won’t politicize? Edited February 4, 2021 by Seymour M Hersh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Fair enough but I thought you'd have checked t'nternet. Rep. Nancy Mace @RepNancyMace · 2 Feb . @AOC made clear she didn’t know who was at her door. Breathless attempts by media to fan fictitious news flames are dangerous. My office is 2 doors down. Insurrectionists never stormed our hallway. Egregious doesn’t even begin to cover it. Is there nothing MSM won’t politicize? I agree that any elements in the (social) media that may have reported that the mob actually battered on AOC's door, or equivalent, were wrong to do so. But so were those who implied in their reports that AOC had been talking about rioters at her door and because no rioters were thereabouts, her account was fictitious. The media has a lot to answer for, and so does social media. But the general point that the terror caused by the rioters has been understated are, imo, very valid indeed. Have a look at some of the rap sheets (https://www.justice.gov/opa/investigations-regarding-violence-capitol😞 "obstruct, influence, or impede an official proceeding before Congress", "did knowingly enter or remain in a restricted building or grounds", "did willfully and knowingly engage in disorderly or disruptive conduct", etc. etc, etc. Any sign of "caused fear and terror in a large number of people over a sustained period of time"? Nope. And after the killing of a police officer, the injuring of several others and anything else relating to physical violence, that is the worst thing that the rioters did, imo. Not steal a coat rack or laptop, not sit in the Speaker's chair, not disrupt Congress. Testimony from those who were placed in fear of their safety is important and shouldn't be dismissed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) Hearing on CNN that house Democrats are requesting that Trump testify at his trial, it is very unlikely to happen as Trump doesn't want to appear, however the Senate seemingly can subpoena Trump to testify and all it takes is a simple majority, which the Democrats hold. Get the popcorn ordered as this is gonna be good, if Trump is forced to testify at his own trial, hopefully he'll have Giuliani with him and the both of them will talk themselves into jail time. Edited February 4, 2021 by Jambo-Jimbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 15 hours ago, ri Alban said: Russia is the reason the USA is in such a mess. They've been pulling at the the frayed star spangled banner for decades and now it's starting to come apart. China just throw the odd hand grenade by taking over the economic mess the US leave behind. I wish Russia would get its finger out and finish off the UK then. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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