Phil Dunphy Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: Absoulutely spot on. If they are found guilty you won't find anybody on here who won't condem their actions. What constitutes controlled emotions is entirely subjective. Where football is concerned especially so. There is no such thing as a classy group of supporters. Anywhere. Has OT genuinely just skipped past the part where everyone was condemning this incident? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, Phil Dunphy said: Has OT genuinely just skipped past the part where everyone was condemning this incident? Not everyone is condemning it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, To Be Frank said: Not everyone is condemning it. As GT says, if proven you will not find one person on here not condemning it. Edited December 10, 2018 by i8hibsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 24 minutes ago, The Old Tolbooth said: There's a Michael Barrymore joke in there somewhere Yup! I deleted it before submitting that post. "Better a dead leaf than..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 As I expected the moronic excusers are out in force. So the racist abuse heard by the Motherwell players and manager never happened and if it did it wasn't the two who were arrested. Utter garbage. Google Hearts name now and you'll get stories about racist reports, Tony Robinson and attacks on other managers. Is that what we want our club represented in the media. Close the Section N now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, To Be Frank said: Not everyone is condemning it. Odd. I’m now wondering if it’s possible that both incidents occurred. 10/20 lads singing about Kickback, while 2 of them were arrested for something else entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Prof said: As I expected the moronic excusers are out in force. So the racist abuse heard by the Motherwell players and manager never happened and if it did it wasn't the two who were arrested. Utter garbage. Google Hearts name now and you'll get stories about racist reports, Tony Robinson and attacks on other managers. Is that what we want our club represented in the media. Close the Section N now Who said it "never" happened? Many on here are just open to the fact it may not have. closing the section The entire section would just relocate in the ground Edited December 10, 2018 by i8hibsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, I P Knightley said: Yup! I deleted it before submitting that post. "Better a dead leaf than..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, i8hibsh said: As GT says, if proven you will not find one person on here not condemning it. So based on the police charges, the statement issued by Ann Budge and the comments from the Motherwell manager, you won’t condemn it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Prof said: As I expected the moronic excusers are out in force. So the racist abuse heard by the Motherwell players and manager never happened and if it did it wasn't the two who were arrested. Utter garbage. Google Hearts name now and you'll get stories about racist reports, Tony Robinson and attacks on other managers. Is that what we want our club represented in the media. Close the Section N now See if you don’t want people to realise that you’re a Hibs troll, you need to learn to be more subtle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) I was of the thinking that if they are not found guilty then the bans should be lifted but then I remembered that John Wilson wasn't found guilty in court. Edited December 10, 2018 by graygo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Phil Dunphy said: Odd. I’m now wondering if it’s possible that both incidents occurred. 10/20 lads singing about Kickback, while 2 of them were arrested for something else entirely. That’s my thinking too. The incident before the game seems pretty cut and dry as being directed at a specific player. Possibly the kickback song has been sung just before the police arrived to arrest the two fans therefore people are wrongly linking this to the racism event? There’s no doubt something has been heard by other Motherwell players and also caught on video during the warm-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, To Be Frank said: So based on the police charges, the statement issued by Ann Budge and the comments from the Motherwell manager, you won’t condemn it? I condemn racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, graygo said: I was of the thinking that if they are not found guilty then the bans shold be lifted but then I remembered that John Wilson wasn't found guilty in court. There can be plenty of reasons a conviction is unobtainable which don’t necessarily mean the person is innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Prof said: As I expected the moronic excusers are out in force. So the racist abuse heard by the Motherwell players and manager never happened and if it did it wasn't the two who were arrested. Utter garbage. Google Hearts name now and you'll get stories about racist reports, Tony Robinson and attacks on other managers. Is that what we want our club represented in the media. Close the Section N now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, i8hibsh said: I condemn racism. Good for you ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Prof said: As I expected the moronic excusers are out in force. So the racist abuse heard by the Motherwell players and manager never happened and if it did it wasn't the two who were arrested. Utter garbage. Google Hearts name now and you'll get stories about racist reports, Tony Robinson and attacks on other managers. Is that what we want our club represented in the media. Close the Section N now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, graygo said: I was of the thinking that if they are not found guilty then the bans shold be lifted but then I remembered that John Wilson wasn't found guilty in court. He was found guilty of common assault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, To Be Frank said: Not everyone is condemning it. Condemning what? Racism, or the fact that the two guys have been lifted and banned on what may have been a misunderstanding. You're conflating the two issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, graygo said: I was of the thinking that if they are not found guilty then the bans shold be lifted but then I remembered that John Wilson wasn't found guilty in court. Aye but that is due to Scottish law 17.1c The Neil Lennon dispensation act of 2000 Should anyone assault yelly teeth then the court will always rule in your favour. It is one of my personal favourites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Thomaso said: He was found guilty of common assault. It was breach of the peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, Sarah O said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, Prof said: As I expected the moronic excusers are out in force. So the racist abuse heard by the Motherwell players and manager never happened and if it did it wasn't the two who were arrested. Utter garbage. Prove it. 14 minutes ago, Prof said: Close the Section N now Cool, all the racist bigots can come over and join me in G. Might help with the atmosphere. 14 minutes ago, Prof said: Google Hearts name now and you'll get stories about racist reports, Tony Robinson and attacks on other managers. Is that what we want our club represented in the media. Hopefully your head implodes with embarrassment and we'll all get some peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorgieRules22 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 This week we have 10-20 people stepping out of line with racist abuse but just last week we had over 3,500 singing sectarian songs for 90 minutes. Why is one constantly swept under the carpet and the other is a complete disgrace and major news ? Surely as bad as each other ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, Smithee said: It was breach of the peace Right enough, it was the sectarian thing he was found not proven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 16 minutes ago, To Be Frank said: That’s my thinking too. The incident before the game seems pretty cut and dry as being directed at a specific player. Possibly the kickback song has been sung just before the police arrived to arrest the two fans therefore people are wrongly linking this to the racism event? There’s no doubt something has been heard by other Motherwell players and also caught on video during the warm-up. This is probably a more likely explanation. We'll find out in due course, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Religion Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, GorgieRules22 said: This week we have 10-20 people stepping out of line with racist abuse but just last week we had over 3,500 singing sectarian songs for 90 minutes. Why is one constantly swept under the carpet and the other is a complete disgrace and major news ? Surely as bad as each other ? The wee scamps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: Condemning what? Racism, or the fact that the two guys have been lifted and banned on what may have been a misunderstanding. You're conflating the two issues. Condemning the racist actions of fans which led to the Motherwell players becoming furious in defence of their teammate, the angry responses by Budge and Robinson and the police charging the pair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEUS Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, Prof said: As I expected the moronic excusers are out in force. So the racist abuse heard by the Motherwell players and manager never happened and if it did it wasn't the two who were arrested. Utter garbage. Google Hearts name now and you'll get stories about racist reports, Tony Robinson and attacks on other managers. Is that what we want our club represented in the media. Close the Section N now By far and away my favourite post on this thread. Gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, GorgieRules22 said: This week we have 10-20 people stepping out of line with racist abuse but just last week we had over 3,500 singing sectarian songs for 90 minutes. Why is one constantly swept under the carpet and the other is a complete disgrace and major news ? Surely as bad as each other ? Both put of order but singing sectarian songs to no-one in particular is nowhere near as bad as targeting a specific individual with racist abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorgieRules22 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, Bad Religion said: The wee scamps! A ten year olds response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, GorgieRules22 said: This week we have 10-20 people stepping out of line with racist abuse but just last week we had over 3,500 singing sectarian songs for 90 minutes. Why is one constantly swept under the carpet and the other is a complete disgrace and major news ? Surely as bad as each other ? And remember that sectarian abuse according to Lennon is racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I loved that racist prick as Baldrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, graygo said: Right enough, it was the sectarian thing he was found not proven. Exactly, and he pled guilty to breach. It was so ******* stupid, it should make no difference if he said something or not. Assaulting someone is assaulting someone, your face is just as sore from a non sectarian attack. It's ridiculous to me that the law differentiates between a punch in the face and a hate punch in the face. But anyway, back to the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorgieRules22 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, To Be Frank said: Both put of order but singing sectarian songs to no-one in particular is nowhere near as bad as targeting a specific individual with racist abuse. Do you think ? It’s abuse no matter what way you look at it. Why are Celtic and Rangers never major news when they sing about killing fenian and orange *******s ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, Smithee said: Exactly, and he pled guilty to breach. It was so ******* stupid, it should make no difference if he said something or not. Assaulting someone is assaulting someone, your face is just as sore from a non sectarian attack. It's ridiculous to me that the law differentiates between a punch in the face and a hate punch in the face. But anyway, back to the thread He didn't even manage to get a decent dig in at him iirc. Wasted opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 50 minutes ago, Boab said: Yip. Why don't we shut down Kickback because of idiocy Dangerous to allow that many of us out to roam around our communities unsupervised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Governor Tarkin said: He didn't even manage to get a decent dig in at him iirc. Wasted opportunity. Off topic but can you be guilty of assault when you swing and fall on your arse without landing a blow? I know he never got done with assault but just wondering. (for a friend of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number witheld Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 39 minutes ago, Thomaso said: Sorry if this has been asked previously - who took the video?? yes this is a good point. if they could give it back and allow us all to view it that would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 31 minutes ago, Prof said: As I expected the moronic excusers are out in force. So the racist abuse heard by the Motherwell players and manager never happened and if it did it wasn't the two who were arrested. Utter garbage. Google Hearts name now and you'll get stories about racist reports, Tony Robinson and attacks on other managers. Is that what we want our club represented in the media. Close the Section N now WTF has Baldrick got to do with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Bridge of Djoum said: Dangerous to allow that many of us out to roam around our communities unsupervised. Kickback is providing an important public service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 27 minutes ago, To Be Frank said: There can be plenty of reasons a conviction is unobtainable which don’t necessarily mean the person is innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 A small section of the fans are embarrassing the club with their behaviour. Taking an absolute battering from all corners and there is no defending it. ****ing Cretins. There could be some long term damage over things like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, GorgieRules22 said: A ten year olds response. Beats yours by 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, GorgieRules22 said: Do you think ? It’s abuse no matter what way you look at it. Why are Celtic and Rangers never major news when they sing about killing fenian and orange *******s ? Yep, both abuse but targetting an individual directly because of the colour of his skin and shouting things at him is much worse than general songs about nobody in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bridge of Djoum said: If the glove fits... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: Kickback is providing an important public service. Shocking that we are sung about in derogatory tones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, To Be Frank said: If the glove fits... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, To Be Frank said: Yep, both abuse but targetting an individual directly because of the colour of his skin and shouting things at him is much worse than general songs about nobody in particular. Unless you're Bobby Sands. Edited December 10, 2018 by Governor Tarkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bridge of Djoum said: Shocking that we are sung about in derogatory tones. It did make me chortle, I must admit. 'Tis pantomime season after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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