JyTees Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 There's absolutely 100% no chance anyone at Tynecastle was singing "stand up if you hate the blacks". If this is indeed the alleged offence I'm looking forward to the apologies from the media, Motherwell staff and all the drama queens amongst our own support who couldn't wait to stick the boot in. I doubt they'll be forthcoming though. A collumn inch or two if we're lucky. The clamber from a sizable chunk on here who can't wait for these allegations to be proven as fact is really disappointing. Whole sections of the support being branded by the virtue signallers among us. Certainly are a divided support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, i8hibsh said: I realise you are trying to be smart and a little cute but if you are going to start calling people ignorant I suggest you read up on this. The British flag is commonly accepted as being referenced as the Union Jack. Almost the entire United Kingdom refers to it as such. I am sure we all know the nautical origins but the only time I ever her the flag being referenced as the "Union Flag" is where people are trying to be smart and cute. Literally a minority of people refer to it as anything but the Union Jack. It is a Universal symbol and the most recognised flag on the planet. A flag universally recognised as the "Union Jack". Who gives a **** it's got nothing to do with Hearts and is associated with racism and sectarianism when used in a football context. It's the flag of the moron at the football. Save it for Royal visits etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, JyTees said: There's absolutely 100% no chance anyone at Tynecastle was singing "stand up if you hate the blacks". If this is indeed the alleged offence I'm looking forward to the apologies from the media, Motherwell staff and all the drama queens amongst our own support who couldn't wait to stick the boot in. I doubt they'll be forthcoming though. A collumn inch or two if we're lucky. The clamber from a sizable chunk on here who can't wait for these allegations to be proven as fact is really disappointing. Whole sections of the support being branded by the virtue signallers among us. Certainly are a divided support. I wouldn’t say so , small minority behave inappropriately , its admitting there is an issue we need to root out. Something the bulk of fans feel is unfortunate but necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Boof said: I find it bizarre. Pathetic and moronic too. It is certainly bizarre which is looking like why this has all happened. The Motherwell player was warming up infront of section N and he hears fans sing and point to no-one in particular "Stand up if you hate kickback". He thinks they are pointing to him and singing "the black". He is none the wiser as it is not a recognisable chant. Like without doubt not once will that ever have been heard in the world at a game not involving Hearts. It is kinda like when Hearts fans put their hands up as they sing and people see it as Nazi salutes when it is compleely innocent. I REALLY hope this is all an innocent misunderstanding where unfortunately there has been collateral damage on our side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 We'll, I guess I'll just have to remain bemusedly baffled. I suppose the world would be a poorer place if we all shared similar tastes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, JyTees said: There's absolutely 100% no chance anyone at Tynecastle was singing "stand up if you hate the blacks". If this is indeed the alleged offence I'm looking forward to the apologies from the media, Motherwell staff and all the drama queens amongst our own support who couldn't wait to stick the boot in. I doubt they'll be forthcoming though. A collumn inch or two if we're lucky. The clamber from a sizable chunk on here who can't wait for these allegations to be proven as fact is really disappointing. Whole sections of the support being branded by the virtue signallers among us. Certainly are a divided support. Now u say this I did hear the we hate kickback atleast once don't know if they were singing stand up if they hate kickback though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: It is certainly bizarre which is looking like why this has all happened. The Motherwell player was warming up infront of section N and he hears fans sing and point to no-one in particular "Stand up if you hate kickback". He thinks they are pointing to him and singing "the black". He is none the wiser as it is not a recognisable chant. Like without doubt not once will that ever have been heard in the world at a game not involving Hearts. It is kinda like when Hearts fans put their hands up as they sing and people see it as Nazi salutes when it is compleely innocent. I REALLY hope this is all an innocent misunderstanding where unfortunately there has been collateral damage on our side. Worth pointing out that we don't know what the player thought or assumed. As far as I'm aware he hasn't said anything about it himself. It may just have been the Motherwell staff who made the connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JyTees Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, sadj said: I wouldn’t say so , small minority behave inappropriately , its admitting there is an issue we need to root out. Something the bulk of fans feel is unfortunate but necessary. There's folk being found guilty by association just because where they sit/stand in the ground. Whole sections being branded racists, knuckle draggers, neanderthals etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, redm said: Worth pointing out that we don't know what the player thought or assumed. As far as I'm aware he hasn't said anything about it himself. It may just have been the Motherwell staff who made the connection. Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 What I find amusing about the Kickback chants/songs, is that the JKB posters they are aiming it at, most likely have an issue with the moderation and administration of the forum themselves. I can’t imagine there are ‘Kickback fans’ out there who would get offended about someone slagging off a forum that they post on. This idea that JKB is a homogenous entity where everyone is in a constant state of concensus. Now that’s amusing. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, Boof said: I don't think I need to get over myself. I just don't understand why anyone can find it remotely amusing. Fair enough. Some folk think that yon Mcintyre chap is funny, and I just don't see it. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: It is certainly bizarre which is looking like why this has all happened. That's the problem with in-jokes (even cringeworthy unfunny ones) - if you're not 'in' you're liable to misinterpret the intent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 If they have indeed been cleared I think the club need to look at their policy regarding banning fans with little or no evidence. I did find it strange this happened and no video appeared online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, JyTees said: There's folk being found guilty by association just because where they sit/stand in the ground. Whole sections being branded racists, knuckle draggers, neanderthals etc. Is there though , no one is saying all of N or G are neanderthals or racists etc. Everyone seems to be saying that these two sections have a concentrated number of these types of individuals and as such they are being tackled more strictly than the rest of the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said: This idea that JKB is a homogenous entity where everyone is in a constant state of concensus. Now that’s amusing. ? God forbid. It would need to change its name to ****. Edited December 10, 2018 by Governor Tarkin Cant believe the name of another hearts forum is on the swear filter list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ministry MK2 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 23 minutes ago, Boof said: I find it bizarre. Pathetic and moronic too. Is this what it has come to. We can’t even have a bit of banter between ourselves as fans now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said: If they have indeed been cleared I think the club need to look at their policy regarding banning fans with little or no evidence. I did find it strange this happened and no video appeared online. Not really , they have to act on the police position. Especially in current circumstances. Again look at the wording indefinite ban that pretty much says this is our initial position until more is known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: God forbid. It would need to change its name to ****. ??? tbf it deserves to be a swear word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: God forbid. It would need to change its name to ****. That is genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Ministry MK2 said: Is this what it has come to. We can’t even have a bit of banter between ourselves as fans now. Best one was "Big Stand" "Wee stand". However if you listen very carefully it could be mistaken for Kill all catholics and Jews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, Governor Tarkin said: God forbid. It would need to change its name to ****. True. I always find it quite amusing when members of JKB come on and berate “Kickback” for this that and the next thing, for example. What they really mean, is “I hate people who don’t agree with me”. They just so happen to also post on the same forum as them, which makes it all more completely bizarre. ? Who is the Kickback they hate? Themselves? The guy who posts the videos of the games? Me? You? I8hibsh? It’s totally mental, likes. Kickback is never in enough agreement about something/anything to be on a side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 What a cluster @@@@ this is turning out to be. Lesson learned for me. Keep your big mouth shut until the whole story is confirmed. In saying that, if there have been no racist chants, some folks have got a lot of explaining and apologising to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said: What a cluster @@@@ this is turning out to be. Lesson learned for me. Keep your big mouth shut until the whole story is confirmed. In saying that, if there have been no racist chants, some folks have got a lot of explaining and apologising to do. To be fair it might still have happened but the likelihood is that it has been one Royal misunderstanding. Like something from a Benny Hill sketch. Sadly, it is not making anyone laugh as it is going to damage our reputation either way. Edited December 10, 2018 by i8hibsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, Ministry MK2 said: Is this what it has come to. We can’t even have a bit of banter between ourselves as fans now. Nobody's stopping you from having banter. Same as nobody's going to stop me from finding this particular so-called banter bizarre, pathetic and moronic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Interestingly the BBC headline doesn’t use the word “allegedly “ so could be apologies all round, and Robinson and Budge make it sound very matter of fact too. This could be rather embarrassing for a number of parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, Boof said: Nobody's stopping you from having banter. Same as nobody's going to stop me from finding this particular so-called banter bizarre, pathetic and moronic. Can we sing hibs.net is for wankers? That is certainly gotta be more true than JKB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Fozzyonthefence said: Interestingly the BBC headline doesn’t use the word “allegedly “ so could be apologies all round, and Robinson and Budge make it sound very matter of fact too. This could be rather embarrassing for a number of parties. The BBC always go for the jugular when it is a far right story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, i8hibsh said: Can we sing hibs.net is for wankers? That is certainly gotta be more true than JKB. Doesn’t scan very well. Too many syllables. Plus I doubt anyone would be particularly surprised by this news anyway. What they should do instead, is print some more tee shirts. They used to cut about in white tee shirts with ‘Gorgie Loyal’ printed on them in red letters. It was kinda cute. Like a wee gang. Not dissimilar to Bradley Welsh and his pals having “laminated CCS membership cards” in their Velcro Lacoste Wallets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Can we sing hibs.net is for wankers? That is certainly gotta be more true than JKB. Go ahead and sing your socks off - you don't need my permission Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 19 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: To be fair it might still have happened but the likelihood is that it has been one Royal misunderstanding. Like something from a Benny Hill sketch. Sadly, it is not making anyone laugh as it is going to damage our reputation either way. If a couple of wrongful arrests have been made, I don’t see how that damages our reputation. I don’t know what happened but the “stand up if you hate Kickback” explanation sounds more plausible to me than 20 fans all singing about hating blacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 32 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: To be fair it might still have happened but the likelihood is that it has been one Royal misunderstanding. Like something from a Benny Hill sketch. Sadly, it is not making anyone laugh as it is going to damage our reputation either way. I’d expect a club statement this week if there are no charges to be brought. I’d also expect one from Robinson too. I don’t see that it damages our reputation if there are no charges to be brought though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 6 hours ago, i8hibsh said: Love the 'born under a UJ' song. It is entirely clean and has been part of our song book for well over 30 years. One of the first songs I remember at Tynie. Ususlly followed the Eamon Bannon song. Whatever version Rangers fans sing (which I assume is your issue with it) is up to them and has no bearing on our fans. **** em. Hope we always sing that song. "Do you know where hell is? Hell is Easter Road. Heaven is Tynecastle where the Hibees shite their load. Oh I was born on a Union Jack" What the bleedin eck is wrong with that?* If anyone has a problem with someone's Britishness then tough shit. *I have only ever heard us sing this version. If another one was sung yesterday then I do not know it and do not support it **** sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 hours ago, JyTees said: There's absolutely 100% no chance anyone at Tynecastle was singing "stand up if you hate the blacks". If this is indeed the alleged offence I'm looking forward to the apologies from the media, Motherwell staff and all the drama queens amongst our own support who couldn't wait to stick the boot in. I doubt they'll be forthcoming though. A collumn inch or two if we're lucky. The clamber from a sizable chunk on here who can't wait for these allegations to be proven as fact is really disappointing. Whole sections of the support being branded by the virtue signallers among us. Certainly are a divided support. Very easy to figure out which songs you'd love heard at Tynecastle. Cretinous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhenTheHeartsWentUp Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) This place is something else If you think that this was a mixup by the police because kickback and black rhyme then youre almost as thick as the racists are Didnt make the game on saturday but very likely for me that some of the daft laddies down the bottom shouted stuff at the motherwell boy and got caught on camera doing it Edited December 10, 2018 by WhenTheHeartsWentUp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I really hope the "stand up if you hate Kickback" thing is true. The cringe factor for being an utter moron is karma in action! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhenTheHeartsWentUp Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) Meant to add that this is not just a hearts problem. Have mates who follow other clubs who have said they have heard similar things too. A sad number of people in this country think its acceptable to shout stuff at black players. So hibs and the rest can get off the high horse.. Edited December 10, 2018 by WhenTheHeartsWentUp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Can we sticky this thread as it will save the inevitable bump when the denouement occurs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 4 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said: I'm sure there is, red. This wee spat between a section of our support and Kickback is fairly amusing though. I'm sure (hope) that nobody takes it at all seriously. If it turns out that folk were lifted for racism when in fact they were just having a dig at Kickback it would be just chocolate. Brave word choice in the circumstances..... 4 hours ago, Dagger Is Back said: What a cluster @@@@ this is turning out to be. Lesson learned for me. Keep your big mouth shut until the whole story is confirmed. In saying that, if there have been no racist chants, some folks have got a lot of explaining and apologising to do. Tbf, from what we've heard from the likes of Robinson and the swift action of the police and Hearts it was portrayed as very clear cut. Like Robinson said he has saw the video and it's a disgrace. From all of that it comes across like their are no doubts. So I don't random punters on the Internet should feel bad from presuming something happened. What an absolute calamity if it turns out to be false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 5 hours ago, sadj said: Not really , they have to act on the police position. Especially in current circumstances. Again look at the wording indefinite ban that pretty much says this is our initial position until more is known. So you're happy with guilty until proven innocent? Not really what I expect from the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uche Gang Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 hours ago, WhenTheHeartsWentUp said: This place is something else If you think that this was a mixup by the police because kickback and black rhyme then youre almost as thick as the racists are Didnt make the game on saturday but very likely for me that some of the daft laddies down the bottom shouted stuff at the motherwell boy and got caught on camera doing it Another one that’s buzzing to see Hearts fans being accused of racial abuse. Can’t admit it might be a misunderstanding because that didn’t fit their agenda, if you read the comments made by Robinson, the only person that reported it in the media, he states it was a group of around 20 shouting racial abuse at Mbulu, not a couple of daft laddies. 20 folk never shouted/sung racial abuse at Mbulu otherwise at lets one person on here would be able to tell you it happened, which no one has. I am around 10 yards away from the alleged culprits and I didn’t hear anything racist from that area, sectarian yes, but not racist. If it was a couple of idiots making racial slurs as insults to the player then I would believe it happened but because of what Robinson has said I have my doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haveyouheard 22 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, Uche Gang said: Another one that’s buzzing to see Hearts fans being accused of racial abuse. Can’t admit it might be a misunderstanding because that didn’t fit their agenda, if you read the comments made by Robinson, the only person that reported it in the media, he states it was a group of around 20 shouting racial abuse at Mbulu, not a couple of daft laddies. 20 folk never shouted/sung racial abuse at Mbulu otherwise at lets one person on here would be able to tell you it happened, which no one has. I am around 10 yards away from the alleged culprits and I didn’t hear anything racist from that area, sectarian yes, but not racist. If it was a couple of idiots making racial slurs as insults to the player then I would believe it happened but because of what Robinson has said I have my doubts. The guys are guilty according to many on KB..I'll wait to see what pans out further down the line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 5 hours ago, Fozzyonthefence said: If a couple of wrongful arrests have been made, I don’t see how that damages our reputation. I don’t know what happened but the “stand up if you hate Kickback” explanation sounds more plausible to me than 20 fans all singing about hating blacks. When you are messing around with racism, no matter what, it sticks. Regardless of outcome people will start associating our club with it. Like that guy at work who was accused of slapping the co-workers arse, he is formally cleared of all wrong doing but he is still 'that guy'. It is highly sticky and dangerous stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave McCreery's knee Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Being reported in the press this morning as up to 20 fans filmed shouting abuse as players performed pre-match warm up routine. Was the Kickback song sung pre-match ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 hours ago, WhenTheHeartsWentUp said: This place is something else If you think that this was a mixup by the police because kickback and black rhyme then youre almost as thick as the racists are Didnt make the game on saturday but very likely for me that some of the daft laddies down the bottom shouted stuff at the motherwell boy and got caught on camera doing it Well that will be that then. Case closed. Think otherwise and you are "thick". "I wasnae there yer honour an ave no seen a video but likely we did it" **** sake man. I hooe you never sit on a jury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 20 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Like that guy at work who was accused of slapping the co-workers arse, he is formally cleared of all wrong doing but he is still 'that guy'. It is highly sticky and dangerous stuff. Can't believe you got away with that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 What an absolute calamity for everyone involved, and I say that about folk on every side of this very sorry debacle. Every single part of this is a sad and sorry reflection of modern day football - whether its singing stupid songs about internet forums, or people itching to hear things that aren't there, or people falling over themselves to vilify their fellow supporters......... the whole entire thing is just a shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Imagine singing about an internet forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meadows Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, Erik said: What an absolute calamity for everyone involved, and I say that about folk on every side of this very sorry debacle. Every single part of this is a sad and sorry reflection of modern day football - whether its singing stupid songs about internet forums, or people itching to hear things that aren't there, or people falling over themselves to vilify their fellow supporters......... the whole entire thing is just a shambles. Wheres the LIKE button ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 18 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said: Can't believe you got away with that... it was only a little tap ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Dagger Is Back said: I’d expect a club statement this week if there are no charges to be brought. I’d also expect one from Robinson too. I don’t see that it damages our reputation if there are no charges to be brought though. Charges have already been brought against the individuals and they have been reported to the Procurator Fiscal. It’s likely further charges will follow against a few more fans. A fair few people assuming this is all a misunderstanding of the JKB song. Pretty sure “stand up if you hate Kickback” doesn’t involve pointing aggressively at the nearest black person Edited December 10, 2018 by To Be Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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