Brexit Deal agreed ( updated )

[NANOJAMBO]

Get the shrooms out for the video clip at the end. 

"How will you benefit when we leave the EU"      ...    absolute fantasy.

 

[NANOJAMBO]

15 minutes ago, Deke Thornton said:

But I thought we’d made them so unwelcome they’d all left?
 

 

I suppose there had to be a balance with UK immigrants in Europe. 

3.5 million, is it ? 

[The Mighty Thor]

6 hours ago, Deke Thornton said:

But I thought we’d made them so unwelcome they’d all left?
 

 

They have. 

Its why there's a shortage of HGV drivers, it's why there's a staffing crisis in hospitality, it's why there's a huge shortage of trained staff in the care industry, it's why fruit and veg lies unpicked in the fields.

The younger more transient economic migrants (not the racist throwaway, immigrants) have upped and left.  Gone to where their skills are appreciated and rewarded.

Why would they want to hang around in a country where those of a little Englander persuasion see them as dirty immigrants, coming to take our jobs. 

 

How's that all working out Deke?

 

 

[pablo]

16 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

They have. 

Its why there's a shortage of HGV drivers, it's why there's a staffing crisis in hospitality, it's why there's a huge shortage of trained staff in the care industry, it's why fruit and veg lies unpicked in the fields.

The younger more transient economic migrants (not the racist throwaway, immigrants) have upped and left.  Gone to where their skills are appreciated and rewarded.

Why would they want to hang around in a country where those of a little Englander persuasion see them as dirty immigrants, coming to take our jobs. 

 

How's that all working out Deke?

 

 

 

Brexit is not why we have a lorry driver shortage. And the driver shortage is the biggest reason supply chains are struggling right now.

[The Mighty Thor]

29 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

Brexit is not why we have a lorry driver shortage. And the driver shortage is the biggest reason supply chains are struggling right now.

So why are this government so desperate to lure EU drivers to the UK that they'll throw out the central plank of their whole ideological Brexit bullshit to get them?

If its not Brexit then what is it and why did it not exist prior to Brexit?

[pablo]

14 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

So why are this government so desperate to lure EU drivers to the UK that they'll throw out the central plank of their whole ideological Brexit bullshit to get them?

If its not Brexit then what is it and why did it not exist prior to Brexit?

 

It's probably more to do with the pandemic restrictions than anything else. Foreign driver numbers held up in Jan, Feb and March 2020. They went home only when lockdown started. Better to be on the dole at home where the cost of living is cheaper?

 

The overall shortage? It's just in a lot of ways a rotten difficult job that's unappealing to young people. The average age of drivers in the 50s. Wages and conditions need to improve.

 

Ireland is also facing a driver shortage and they might have mentioned once or twice recently that they chose to stay in the EU.

 

I'm involved with buying transport all over the world, and it's everywhere (apart from Poland ha ha). I was also firm Remainer,  but the driver shortage in the UK wasn't caused by Brexit.

 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

2 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

It's probably more to do with the pandemic restrictions than anything else. Foreign driver numbers held up in Jan, Feb and March 2020. They went home only when lockdown started. Better to be on the dole at home where the cost of living is cheaper?

 

The overall shortage? It's just in a lot of ways a rotten difficult job that's unappealing to young people. The average age of drivers in the 50s. Wages and conditions need to improve.

 

Ireland is also facing a driver shortage and they might have mentioned once or twice recently that they chose to stay in the EU.

 

I'm involved with buying transport all over the world, and it's everywhere (apart from Poland ha ha). I was also firm Remainer,  but the driver shortage in the UK wasn't caused by Brexit.

 

 

There were 'shortages' at the start of the pandemic which were squarely down to people over buying. These resolved very quickly and we've had neither food nor fuel shortage right through lockdowns 2 &3.

Roll forward to freedom day on 31st Jan 2021 when the immigration status changed for over 30,000 EU drivers running the EU-UK trade routes and now we have a huge shortage of drivers, empty shelves and empty petrol pumps. 

 

But it's not Brexit?

 

Catch on to yourself mate.

[WorldChampions1902]

1 hour ago, pablo said:

I'm involved with buying transport all over the world, and it's everywhere (apart from Poland ha ha). I was also firm Remainer,  but the driver shortage in the UK wasn't caused by Brexit.

If the bold bit is true, you should know that the CEO of the Road Haulage Association wrote to the Eton Mess in June this year spelling out the causes of the HGV drivers shortages in the U.K. The top two factors were Brexit and COVID. The letter was counter-signed by the CEO’s of just about every major U.K. haulage firm. But you and all the other Brexit-deniers persist with the theme, that Brexit is not a factor? 

[Nucky Thompson]

41 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

If the bold bit is true, you should know that the CEO of the Road Haulage Association wrote to the Eton Mess in June this year spelling out the causes of the HGV drivers shortages in the U.K. The top two factors were Brexit and COVID. The letter was counter-signed by the CEO’s of just about every major U.K. haulage firm. But you and all the other Brexit-deniers persist with the theme, that Brexit is not a factor? 

It's you and the rest of the Remainiacs that are Brexit deniers. Denying that it's happened.

 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

6 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

It's you and the rest of the Remainiacs that are Brexit deniers. Denying that it's happened.

 

 

I've not seen anyone deny its happened.

What I have seen is the blowhards and racists that voted for it not take ownership of the consequences of their victory.

It's the French 

It's the pandemic

It's everything apart from the inevitable outcome of a tissue of lies and a public that don't like the brown faces. 

Own it. 

[Konrad von Carstein]

6 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I've not seen anyone deny its happened.

What I have seen is the blowhards and racists that voted for it not take ownership of the consequences of their victory.

It's the French 

It's the pandemic

It's everything apart from the inevitable outcome of a tissue of lies and a public that don't like the brown faces. 

Own it. 

*Applause*

[Nucky Thompson]

22 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I've not seen anyone deny its happened.

What I have seen is the blowhards and racists that voted for it not take ownership of the consequences of their victory.

It's the French 

It's the pandemic

It's everything apart from the inevitable outcome of a tissue of lies and a public that don't like the brown faces. 

Own it. 

Ah, the racist card.

 

I'm out 

[Unknown user]

2 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Ah, the racist card.

 

I'm out 

He didn't say all brexit supporters are racist nucky, don't use that as an excuse to run away

[The Mighty Thor]

1 minute ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Ah, the racist card.

 

I'm out 

Like it or not it was THE key part of the vote leave campaign. 

Farage banging on about immigrants, Turkey joining the EU 

The Mail, the Express with daily headlines about 'Romanian' rapists and criminals flooding the UK.

Months and months of it right up until they won and then when they did it was all about 'taking back control' of our borders and stopping freedom of movement.

 

What's that about mate? The economy? 

[SectionDJambo]

Putting aside any potential blame of Brexit for the current issues, can anyone give an example of how Brexit has improved our lot? We hear much about how it hasn’t damaged us. How has it helped us so far?

How have our lives improved since we left? What advantages has it given us over what we would have experienced had we stayed in the EU?

If the advantages are coming soon, how soon and what will they be?

 

[NANOJAMBO]

https://trans.info/en/ukwa-brexit-labour-shortages-have-hit-warehousing-harder-than-haulage-256684

 

Speaking to BBC News earlier this week, CEO Clare Bottle said that before Brexit, the percentage of EU forklift drivers making up the total workforce was twice as much as for HGV drivers:

“We have fewer workers than we used to have and some of this is down to Brexit. 15% of HGV drivers were EU nationals, but the proportion of forklift truck drivers is 34%. If anything, warehousing has been hit harder than driving the by exodus of people from our workforce.”

In Clare’s opinion, the current situation is not sustainable as staff are exhausted after working in “crisis mode” for almost 24 months:

“As has been pointed out by others, people in supply-chain have been working in crisis mode for nearly two years, with insufficient resources; they are exhausted, and it is simply not sustainable.”

In a statement designed to raise awareness of the labour shortage issues in UK warehousing, the UKWA stresses that warehouses cannot operate efficiently unless the receipt and despatch of goods is well controlled.  The organisation says that driver shortages are making transport operations more fragile and unreliable, which, in turn, reduces warehouse productivity – and profitability.

The UKWA states that both industry and the government must do their bit to ensure people are aware of the job opportunities in logistics. The organisation also wants to see a more coherent framework of training to address labour shortages and skills gaps. Moreover, it warns that while the interventions on visas and driving tests are welcome, “it is still not clear whether they will work in practice.”

In addition, the UKWA statement warns that consumers must accept higher prices for goods and delivery given the rise in wages that is occuring throughout the logistics and road transport industries, whether it be drivers or warehouse staff.

Finally, in what a appears to be a dig at the UK Government ministers who blamed the RHA for the mass panic buying of fuel, the UKWA adds that future panic buying is a possibility, “though it will not be trade associations that cause it”.

 

 

 

Some folks I follow on twitter are saying distribution centres are being badly affected. Lorries being turned away or simply leaving before their driving time expires. Some guys saying the shortage of warehousing staff is a bigger problem ( see "Next" statement yesterday) . Also one shipping specialist says if it carries on at the current rate ships will be diverted from some UK ports because they can't empty warehouses quick enough and we're rapidly running out of storage space. 

[NANOJAMBO]

37 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Ah, the racist card.

 

I'm out 

Dominic Cummings did just that by putting Turkey at the front of the agenda. A pack of lies (not his only lies, clearly) to instill yet more xenophobia into brexit voters. 

"Leave" issued a video (in one of my  posts a little up this thread) saying hospitals would be improved after ending FoM. More demonisation of foreigners. 

Not all brexiters are racist but you really can't deny the continued demonisation of EU immigrants who were supposedly a drain on schools/hospitals/housing and responsible for lowering wages. 

[NANOJAMBO]

3 hours ago, pablo said:

 

It's probably more to do with the pandemic restrictions than anything else. Foreign driver numbers held up in Jan, Feb and March 2020. They went home only when lockdown started. Better to be on the dole at home where the cost of living is cheaper?

 

The overall shortage? It's just in a lot of ways a rotten difficult job that's unappealing to young people. The average age of drivers in the 50s. Wages and conditions need to improve.

 

Ireland is also facing a driver shortage and they might have mentioned once or twice recently that they chose to stay in the EU.

 

I'm involved with buying transport all over the world, and it's everywhere (apart from Poland ha ha). I was also firm Remainer,  but the driver shortage in the UK wasn't caused by Brexit.

 

 

Brexit was the tipping point and we know that because we know circa 20,000 hgv drivers went back to the EU in 2017 - 2020.

 

There's no point deflecting in saying "there's a shortage in the EU  and globally" because the EU isn't facing the same problems and there's two reasons for that (and if you really work in the undustry - or more importantly, if you actually understand how it works - you ll know they have:

 

freedom of  movement - their drivers can go anywhere so the burden is shared across 27 countries

 

they have "cabotage". Maybe you could tell us how the EU and its drivers benefits from that while the UK much less so ? You being in the industry. 

 

In short, brexit was the tipping point and brexit will make it much harder to fix because of the ending FoM, the hostile environment , licencing, passports, cost of living here and all the additional bureaucracy that brexit created that EU drivers don't face back home. 

[WorldChampions1902]

1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Like it or not it was THE key part of the vote leave campaign. 

Farage banging on about immigrants, Turkey joining the EU 

The Mail, the Express with daily headlines about 'Romanian' rapists and criminals flooding the UK.

Months and months of it right up until they won and then when they did it was all about 'taking back control' of our borders and stopping freedom of movement.

 

What's that about mate? The economy? 

“Full” employment is deemed to be true when a country’s unemployment rate is around 5%. Currently, the figure for the U.K. is 4.6%. The fertility rate at which the U.K. population is reproducing per the recent census is 1.6 and the minimum rate needs to be 2.1 if the country wishes to function without immigration. 
 

Brexit has imposed a serious and debilitating impact on the U.K. economy and unless there is a major revision of the Brexit deal (at the very least), the implications are very negative for both our society and economy. In essence, the U.K. position on immigration post-Brexit is unsustainable. 

[The Mighty Thor]

6 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

“Full” employment is deemed to be true when a country’s unemployment rate is around 5%. Currently, the figure for the U.K. is 4.6%. The fertility rate at which the U.K. population is reproducing per the recent census is 1.6 and the minimum rate needs to be 2.1 if the country wishes to function without immigration. 
 

Brexit has imposed a serious and debilitating impact on the U.K. economy and unless there is a major revision of the Brexit deal (at the very least), the implications are very negative for both our society and economy. In essence, the U.K. position on immigration post-Brexit is unsustainable. 

Blue passports though 💙 

[Don Dan]

We were absolute mugs to have left the EU.

the more this sh!t show goes on the more stupid we are looking. 
As for thinking that EU workers are going to flood back here to bail us out only strengthens my view we are lead by gullible fools who were voted in by an even more gullible voters who let’s be honest are not in anyway interested in doing the jobs the EU workers were doing. 
The Labour Party (Starmer) said they would reopen negotiations with the EU which I believe would go in their favour at the next election. They should allude to the fact that another possibility is rejoining the EU and see what the reaction would be. 

[WorldChampions1902]

4 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said:

It's you and the rest of the Remainiacs that are Brexit deniers. Denying that it's happened.

 

[Beni]

In an ironic twist it seems Brexit is threatening the availability of gammon.  

 

The British Meat Processors Association says supplies of ‘pigs in blankets, decorated gammon and party food’ will struggle without action.

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-faces-christmas-without-pigs-in-blankets-as-labor-shortage-hits/

[Don Dan]

1 hour ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

 

Brexiteers lead by a liar what more did You expect 🤥

[NANOJAMBO]

57 minutes ago, Beni said:

In an ironic twist it seems Brexit is threatening the availability of gammon.  

 

The British Meat Processors Association says supplies of ‘pigs in blankets, decorated gammon and party food’ will struggle without action.

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-faces-christmas-without-pigs-in-blankets-as-labor-shortage-hits/

 

😄

 

Sadly though, the backlog  at pig farms has been building up for weeks. Talk now of just slaughter them & bury them on the farms. These little piggies won't be going to market which means more shortages. 

[WorldChampions1902]

13 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

 

😄

 

Sadly though, the backlog  at pig farms has been building up for weeks. Talk now of just slaughter them & bury them on the farms. These little piggies won't be going to market which means more shortages. 

The Times now running with the story. More Project Reality.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/visas-for-foreign-butchers-as-industry-warns-of-christmas-shortages-6rl72gd2p

 

[NANOJAMBO]

7 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

The Times now running with the story. More Project Reality.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/visas-for-foreign-butchers-as-industry-warns-of-christmas-shortages-6rl72gd2p

 

So thats 5,000, hgv drivers, 1,000 butchers and the other 5,000 in the pipeline.

No doubt there'll be more visas for the brussels sprouts gangs.😄

And they're all going to come on temporary visas and save our Christmas. 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

10 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

The Times now running with the story. More Project Reality.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/visas-for-foreign-butchers-as-industry-warns-of-christmas-shortages-6rl72gd2p

 

I'm not buying that. The UK has literally thousands of butchers.

They're just waiting on their HGV licenses coming back from DVLA, Covid-19, global shortages, wibble.

 

Ireland has a huge shortage of butchers too, I know because I bought 2 pork chops and a string of sausages or some other such bullshit. 

[ri Alban]

12 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I'm not buying that. The UK has literally thousands of butchers.

They're just waiting on their HGV licenses coming back from DVLA, Covid-19, global shortages, wibble.

 

Ireland has a huge shortage of butchers too, I know because I bought 2 pork chops and a string of sausages or some other such bullshit. 

[NANOJAMBO]

14 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I'm not buying that. The UK has literally thousands of butchers.

They're just waiting on their HGV licenses coming back from DVLA, Covid-19, global shortages, wibble.

 

Ireland has a huge shortage of butchers too, I know because I bought 2 pork chops and a string of sausages or some other such bullshit. 

That you, Boris ? 

 

😄

[Ulysses]

25 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Ireland has a huge shortage of butchers too, I know because I bought 2 pork chops and a string of sausages or some other such bullshit. 

 

We kinda do, by the way.  We rely a lot on butchers from - guess where - the EU. 

 

I bought sausages yesterday, from a fella who looked Asian but who had a Dublin accent.  ****ing outrageous - ought to string that ******* Barnier up.

[Ulysses]

29 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

 

No doubt there'll be more visas for the freedom sprouts gangs.😄

 

 

Fixed your post for you. 

[NANOJAMBO]

3 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

Fixed your post for you. 

[NANOJAMBO]

Anyway, here's the latest initiative to attract hgv drivers from the EU - they'll need a passport (so they'll need to get their skates on if they're gonna save our Christmas). 

According to Patel (though clearly, it's not substantiated) people are abusing the system with ID cards. This is an ID card that's legal for international travel across 27 EU countries but the UK refuses to recognize them.  So,  lorry drivers will be asked to pay for a passport just so they can come here for 3 months to bail us out. 

 

Edit - presumably that'll apply to the 1,000 butchers we need and the other 5,000 visa applicants the govt is hoping for. 

 

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Edited October 1, 2021 by NANOJAMBO

[Ulysses]

9 hours ago, pablo said:

 

Ireland is also facing a driver shortage and they might have mentioned once or twice recently that they chose to stay in the EU.

 

 

Ireland's supply chain is working OK, and thanks to the NI Protocol it's also we're also improving the supply chain situation in the North.  The biggest risk we have at the moment is that the expanded ferry capacity we put in between Ireland and France is already being taken up and needs to be expanded further.  I travelled from Dublin to Newry and back yesterday, a trip I've made hundreds of times.  I have never seen as many commercial vehicles on the road.  We've also seen extra strain on our segment of the E1 European route, because of extra commercial traffic coming from the continent and running between Rosslare and Belfast.

[NANOJAMBO]

3 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

Ireland's supply chain is working OK, and thanks to the NI Protocol it's also we're also improving the supply chain situation in the North.  The biggest risk we have at the moment is that the expanded ferry capacity we put in between Ireland and France is already being taken up and needs to be expanded further.  I travelled from Dublin to Newry and back yesterday, a trip I've made hundreds of times.  I have never seen as many commercial vehicles on the road.  We've also seen extra strain on our segment of the E1 European route, because of extra commercial traffic coming from the continent and running between Rosslare and Belfast.

I know you're specifically talking about Ireland (but in the context of commercial vehicles on the road) but I saw some trade figures for NI the other day that indicate massive increase in EU imports into NI and suggestions NI economy is really picking up thanks to the NIP*. 

 

* I don't want to start a discussion about that. 

[Don Dan]

10 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

insecure ID cards

 What bullocks. They are just as secure as a visa or MasterCard. Who the heck voted for these people and how did they get the job they are in….no need to answer that one😂

[Ulysses]

6 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

I know you're specifically talking about Ireland (but in the context of commercial vehicles on the road) but I saw some trade figures for NI the other day that indicate massive increase in EU imports into NI and suggestions NI economy is really picking up thanks to the NIP*. 

 

* I don't want to start a discussion about that. 

 

My point exactly.

 

* I do want to start a discussion about that. 

[The Mighty Thor]

13 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

Anyway, here's the latest initiative to attract hgv drivers from the EU - they'll need a passport (so they'll need to get their skates on if they're gonna save our Christmas). 

According to Patel (though clearly, it's not substantiated) people are abusing the system with ID cards. This is an ID card that's legal for international travel across 27 EU countries but the UK refuses to recognize them.  So,  lorry drivers will be asked to pay for a passport just so they can come here for 3 months to bail us out. 

 

Edit - presumably that'll apply to the 1,000 butchers we need and the other 5,000 visa applicants the govt is hoping for. 

 

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Priti Patel

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We're ending the use of insecure ID cards for entry into the UK to strengthen our border and deliver on the people’s priority to take back control of our immigration system.

I thought that was total BS but no it's the real thing

 

They're a parody of themselves now

😂

[The Mighty Thor]

25 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

We kinda do, by the way.  We rely a lot on butchers from - guess where - the EU. 

 

I bought sausages yesterday, from a fella who looked Asian but who had a Dublin accent.  ****ing outrageous - ought to string that ******* Barnier up.

Y'all need to think about a scheme where people can freely move between labour markets.

 

Call it something like freedom of movement 

 

[NANOJAMBO]

4 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

My point exactly.

 

* I do want to start a discussion about that. 

Crack on. 😄

[NANOJAMBO]

7 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

 What bullocks. They are just as secure as a visa or MasterCard. Who the heck voted for these people and how did they get the job they are in….no need to answer that one😂

Just Patel/Johnson refusing to accept anything that has the stench of the EU attached to it. 

 

PS I've seen my mates Romanian ID card - it'd take some work to forge it. 

[WorldChampions1902]

1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I'm not buying that. The UK has literally thousands of butchers.

They're just waiting on their HGV licenses coming back from DVLA, Covid-19, global shortages, wibble.

 

Ireland has a huge shortage of butchers too, I know because I bought 2 pork chops and a string of sausages or some other such bullshit. 

Probably appearing in the Daily Mail or Express imminently……….

 

[pablo]

59 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

Ireland's supply chain is working OK, and thanks to the NI Protocol it's also we're also improving the supply chain situation in the North.  The biggest risk we have at the moment is that the expanded ferry capacity we put in between Ireland and France is already being taken up and needs to be expanded further.  I travelled from Dublin to Newry and back yesterday, a trip I've made hundreds of times.  I have never seen as many commercial vehicles on the road.  We've also seen extra strain on our segment of the E1 European route, because of extra commercial traffic coming from the continent and running between Rosslare and Belfast.

 

Yes, no major supply chain issues in Ireland yet thankfully. Ireland is almost exclusively reliant on road haulage, around 99% of goods are moved by road. The Irish RHA estimates their shortage of drivers around the 4 thousand mark.

[Unknown user]

4 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

Yes, no major supply chain issues in Ireland yet thankfully. Ireland is almost exclusively reliant on road haulage, around 99% of goods are moved by road. The Irish RHA estimates their shortage of drivers around the 4 thousand mark.

 

Is there much in the way of Irish gammon, wishing you were going down the same stupid path as us?

[jack D and coke]

2 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I'm not buying that. The UK has literally thousands of butchers.

They're just waiting on their HGV licenses coming back from DVLA, Covid-19, global shortages, wibble.

 

Ireland has a huge shortage of butchers too, I know because I bought 2 pork chops and a string of sausages or some other such bullshit. 

 

[Ulysses]

26 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

Yes, no major supply chain issues in Ireland

 

That's what I said. 

 

21 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Is there much in the way of Irish gammon, wishing you were going down the same stupid path as us?

 

No.  We have some social conservatives and our own version of the alt-right who lament for the days when the priests ran the place.  They're inclined to blame the EU for our increased liberalism, although they also hate the British so they really haven't a scooby what they want.  They're strongly opposed to our social legislation reforms, and they include a few anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers.  They are small in number.  We have a big number of what I'd call "small c conservatives".  The diehards would love to appeal to them, but that's not easy to do because they tend to be quite pro-Europe and were also the strongest supporters of government policies and actions on Covid.

Edited October 1, 2021 by Ulysses

[Ulysses]

21 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Is there much in the way of Irish gammon, wishing you were going down the same stupid path as us?

 

P.S. I'd say going beyond his ability to spell the word Ireland might be testing the limits of pablo's knowledge of the place, so don't be putting him under unfair pressure. 

[WorldChampions1902]

8 hours ago, SectionDJambo said:

Putting aside any potential blame of Brexit for the current issues, can anyone give an example of how Brexit has improved our lot? We hear much about how it hasn’t damaged us. How has it helped us so far?

How have our lives improved since we left? What advantages has it given us over what we would have experienced had we stayed in the EU?

If the advantages are coming soon, how soon and what will they be?

 

The tumbleweed is deafening!

[NANOJAMBO]

8 hours ago, SectionDJambo said:

Putting aside any potential blame of Brexit for the current issues, can anyone give an example of how Brexit has improved our lot? We hear much about how it hasn’t damaged us. How has it helped us so far?

How have our lives improved since we left? What advantages has it given us over what we would have experienced had we stayed in the EU?

If the advantages are coming soon, how soon and what will they be?

 

If you drive a fire engine* you can give it up for 12 hour shifts, long spells away from home  & pis sing in a bucket as an HGV driver while helping to save Xmas for the country. Won't get a better chance for such a well paid job AND be a patriot.  What a time to be alive. 

 

*also ambulance drivers too ! .