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Fishermen: "It's Brexit"

Supermarkets: "It's Brexit"

Farmers: "It's Brexit"

Hauliers: "It's Brexit"

Automotive Industry: "It's Brexit"

Petroleum Industry: "It's Brexit"

 

Government: "You all know nothing. It's something else."

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18 minutes ago, Cade said:

Fishermen: "It's Brexit"

Supermarkets: "It's Brexit"

Farmers: "It's Brexit"

Hauliers: "It's Brexit"

Automotive Industry: "It's Brexit"

Petroleum Industry: "It's Brexit"

 

Government: "You all know nothing. It's something else."

Quite a few eejits on here: "Brexit has caused nowt, it's barry"

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There’s plenty being said by some that Brexit hasn’t hurt the UK. Our current problems are just from Covid and bad planning from haulage companies.

We left the EU to improve our lot, after promises of how nations would be banging on our door to make trade deals that we weren’t allowed to whilst within the EU. We would save billions of £s to spend on services in the UK.

Apart from Rees Mogg now saying that it may be 50 years before we see the benefits, has anyone else given us a wee timeline of when we can say that Brexit has actually improved our standard of living and quality of life?

I appreciate that the EU wasn’t a perfect club to be in, but it was a huge trading market to be in. It would be nice to see some positive change to our lives, as we were promised, now that we have left the club that we were told was holding us back.

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How do they come up with numbers to say that the UK has 76,000 too few HGV drivers?  Are there 76,000 trucks sitting there empty because nobody is available to drive them?  I went looking at different statistical reports, and saw some stats that intrigued me, and in some cases that didn't make sense.  There are around 500,000 licensed HGVs in the UK, but only 323,000 drivers employed.  If the UK suddenly found 76,000 drivers, there would still be 100,000 more HGVs than drivers.  Why's that?  Do half of the UK's HGV drivers really earn less than £12 an hour?  The official stats say that this is the case. 

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8 hours ago, smallfaces said:

Is this a known fact or a simple Brexit-ism?

If EU countries are paying higher wages, yet have a deficit of drivers, it does beg the question, why were EU drivers working for lower wages in the UK?

People liked it here. But Brexit put paid to that.

Why live and work somewhere you are hated. (Perceived) And why help those same ***** out, who fecking hate you.

 

 

Anyway, isn't it just convenient, that the government, with it's media lapdogs, sound the panic button on fuel, (which we have plenty of , with plenty of drivers for)then all of a sudden bring in work Visas.  After the dafties lose there shit on the forecourts. 

 

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Sunlit uplands 

 

The government has approved the production of 'gene edited', which of course is wank speak for genetically modified, crops in Englandshire

 

Good Times 👍

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Great statement from the bakers union regarding Labour . Says it all

The Bakers’ Union (BFAWU) has announced today that it has decided to disaffiliate from Labour during its annual party conference, accusing Keir Starmer of waging a “factional internal war” instead of focusing on “real change”.
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In a statement, the union said: “We have a real crisis in the country and instead of leadership, the party’s leader chooses to divide the trade unions and the membership by proposing changes to the way elections for his successor will take place.

“We don’t see that as a political party with any expectations of winning an election. It’s just the leader trying to secure the right wing faction’s chosen successor.”

Below is the full statement.

The decision taken by delegates who predominantly live in what’s regarded as Labour red wall seats shows how far the Labour Party has travelled away from the aims and hopes of working class organisations like ours.

The decision by the party to not engage with a union that levied its poorly paid members in 1902 to build a party that would bring about real change to their lives, is the culmination of a failure to deliver those changes during our 119 year relationship.

In 1902 we had thousands being fed by the king, while today the poor must feed themselves. We need footballers to campaign to ensure our schoolchildren get a hot meal. Workers in our sector, who keep the nation fed, are relying on charity and good will from family and friends to put food on their tables. They rely on help to feed their families, with 7.5% relying on food banks, according to our recent survey.

But instead of concentrating on these issues we have a factional internal war led by the leadership. We have a real crisis in the country and instead of leadership, the party’s leader chooses to divide the trade unions and the membership by proposing changes to the way elections for his successor will take place. We don’t see that as a political party with any expectations of winning an election. It’s just the leader trying to secure the right-wing faction’s chosen successor.

The decision taken by our delegates doesn’t mean we are leaving the political scene, it means we will become more political and we will ensure our members’ political voice is heard as we did when we started the campaign for £10 per hour in 2014. Today we want to see £15 per hour for all workers, the abolition of zero hours contracts and ending discrimination of young people by dispensing with youth rates.

The BFAWU will not be bullied by bosses or politicians. When you pick on one of us you take on all of us. That’s what solidarity means.

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Malinga the Swinga
16 hours ago, Cade said:

All three of the nearest petrol stations to me are out of petrol.

 

:rofl:

 

Rule feckin Britannia.

Course they are. Passed three or four petrol stations on way to gym and then home again last night. All were open and barely a car waiting. Plenty of fuel, media hyped pish jumped on by SNP fanboys desperate to deflect from our own shit government.

 

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4 hours ago, ri Alban said:

People liked it here. But Brexit put paid to that.

Why live and work somewhere you are hated. (Perceived) And why help those same ***** out, who fecking hate you.

 

 

Anyway, isn't it just convenient, that the government, with it's media lapdogs, sound the panic button on fuel, (which we have plenty of , with plenty of drivers for)then all of a sudden bring in work Visas.  After the dafties lose there shit on the forecourts. 

 

The fuel things feels manufactured. They’d said nothing nobody would be acting the way they are. People aren’t even embarrassed to behave this way. 
The world needs a real virus. This herd needs severely thinned out. 

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jack D and coke
1 minute ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Course they are. Passed three or four petrol stations on way to gym and then home again last night. All were open and barely a car waiting. Plenty of fuel, media hyped pish jumped on by SNP fanboys desperate to deflect from our own shit government.

 

Took 4 attempts to get fuel this morning then. Finally got it bruntsfield BP. 
What have the SNP got to do with this exactly? 

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4 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

The fuel things feels manufactured. They’d said nothing nobody would be acting the way they are. People aren’t even embarrassed to behave this way. 
The world needs a real virus. This herd needs severely thinned out. 


Manufactured by whom? 

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5 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Course they are. Passed three or four petrol stations on way to gym and then home again last night. All were open and barely a car waiting. Plenty of fuel, media hyped pish jumped on by SNP fanboys desperate to deflect from our own shit government.

 

 

Westminster is shit isn't it?

 

5 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Great statement from the bakers union regarding Labour . Says it all

The Bakers’ Union (BFAWU) has announced today that it has decided to disaffiliate from Labour during its annual party conference, accusing Keir Starmer of waging a “factional internal war” instead of focusing on “real change”.
.................................................................................

In a statement, the union said: “We have a real crisis in the country and instead of leadership, the party’s leader chooses to divide the trade unions and the membership by proposing changes to the way elections for his successor will take place.

“We don’t see that as a political party with any expectations of winning an election. It’s just the leader trying to secure the right wing faction’s chosen successor.”

Below is the full statement.

The decision taken by delegates who predominantly live in what’s regarded as Labour red wall seats shows how far the Labour Party has travelled away from the aims and hopes of working class organisations like ours.

The decision by the party to not engage with a union that levied its poorly paid members in 1902 to build a party that would bring about real change to their lives, is the culmination of a failure to deliver those changes during our 119 year relationship.

In 1902 we had thousands being fed by the king, while today the poor must feed themselves. We need footballers to campaign to ensure our schoolchildren get a hot meal. Workers in our sector, who keep the nation fed, are relying on charity and good will from family and friends to put food on their tables. They rely on help to feed their families, with 7.5% relying on food banks, according to our recent survey.

But instead of concentrating on these issues we have a factional internal war led by the leadership. We have a real crisis in the country and instead of leadership, the party’s leader chooses to divide the trade unions and the membership by proposing changes to the way elections for his successor will take place. We don’t see that as a political party with any expectations of winning an election. It’s just the leader trying to secure the right-wing faction’s chosen successor.

The decision taken by our delegates doesn’t mean we are leaving the political scene, it means we will become more political and we will ensure our members’ political voice is heard as we did when we started the campaign for £10 per hour in 2014. Today we want to see £15 per hour for all workers, the abolition of zero hours contracts and ending discrimination of young people by dispensing with youth rates.

The BFAWU will not be bullied by bosses or politicians. When you pick on one of us you take on all of us. That’s what solidarity means.

 

So who should an SNP supporter vote for if they decide to vote against them?

The Tories, who they're idealogically opposed to? Labour, who are a walking disaster? Libdems - who even are they?

 

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jack D and coke
1 minute ago, Des Lynam said:


Manufactured by whom? 

I don’t know. If they hadn’t said anything nobody would be behaving like this and the problem would be nowhere near as bad. We might not even have noticed. 
Start talking about shortages and look at people’s behaviour. 

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10 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Took 4 attempts to get fuel this morning then. Finally got it bruntsfield BP. 
What have the SNP got to do with this exactly? 

Not a thing but that has never stopped the unionists has it. 

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7 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Westminster is shit isn't it?

 

 

So who should an SNP supporter vote for if they decide to vote against them?

The Tories, who they're idealogically opposed to? Labour, who are a walking disaster? Libdems - who even are they?

 

That’s the problem ! The opposition are dire in their own different ways. I voted Labour at the last Scottish election for purely personal reasons. However at any future election would have to think very carefully about who to vote for . However if Jeremy Corbyn had still led Labour I would have voted for them . 

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3 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

I don’t know. If they hadn’t said anything nobody would be behaving like this and the problem would be nowhere near as bad. We might not even have noticed. 
Start talking about shortages and look at people’s behaviour. 


I just wondered as i’ve got a friend who thinks this was manufactured by the Conservatives to sell the fuel stock before they put us back into a permanent lockdown 🤷🏻‍♂️ The media have inflamed the situation but also highlights how stupid and selfish some people are. 

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jack D and coke
7 minutes ago, Des Lynam said:


I just wondered as i’ve got a friend who thinks this was manufactured by the Conservatives to sell the fuel stock before they put us back into a permanent lockdown 🤷🏻‍♂️ The media have inflamed the situation but also highlights how stupid and selfish some people are. 

I hadn’t thought anything as sinister tbh. It just feels like the media play us like fiddles man. 
Please….no more of that :facepalm: 

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5 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

I hadn’t thought anything as sinister tbh. It just feels like the media play us like fiddles man. 
Please….no more of that :facepalm: 


It’s daily barrage of misinformation usually starting about 8am on the WhatsApp group.  The media love this shit and ramp it right up. We all have to pay the bills somehow. 
 

Haha I feel the same way! 

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The Real Maroonblood
33 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

I don’t know. If they hadn’t said anything nobody would be behaving like this and the problem would be nowhere near as bad. We might not even have noticed. 
Start talking about shortages and look at people’s behaviour. 

Spot on.

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jack D and coke
3 minutes ago, Des Lynam said:


It’s daily barrage of misinformation usually starting about 8am on the WhatsApp group.  The media love this shit and ramp it right up. We all have to pay the bills somehow. 
 

Haha I feel the same way! 

Exactly. You’re not telling me they don’t know what happens by saying there’s going to be shortages? Of course they do. 
Brings out the worst in the halfwits that seem to be the majority these days. 
Covid and potential shortages etc has outed every single dickhead in this country. In the world tbh.  
 

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Time the French fisherman understood that they can't just fish where they want...its the PROTOCOLS. Threatening to cut off electricity supplies to Hospitals and Care Homes isn't the way forward. If they can drive an HGV then they can have a job.

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1 hour ago, jack D and coke said:

I don’t know. If they hadn’t said anything nobody would be behaving like this and the problem would be nowhere near as bad. We might not even have noticed. 
Start talking about shortages and look at people’s behaviour. 

 

According to a BP spokesperson (I think it was BP) that is exactly what happened, there had been petrol stations running low on fuel due to the driver shortages for weeks but nobody noticed................until it was leaked to the media and then......boom, all hell broke loose.

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The Real Maroonblood
2 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

According to a BP spokesperson (I think it was BP) that is exactly what happened, there had been petrol stations running low on fuel due to the driver shortages for weeks but nobody noticed................until it was leaked to the media and then......boom, all hell broke loose.

What a shambles.

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jack D and coke
1 minute ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

According to a BP spokesperson (I think it was BP) that is exactly what happened, there had been petrol stations running low on fuel due to the driver shortages for weeks but nobody noticed................until it was leaked to the media and then......boom, all hell broke loose.

You have to wonder why…is it so they can keep putting the blame on the people themselves? Gets people all turning on each other. All this shit lately is the same. 

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10 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

You have to wonder why…is it so they can keep putting the blame on the people themselves? Gets people all turning on each other. All this shit lately is the same. 

 

I think that's a fairly decent shout. 

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The Mighty Thor
1 hour ago, SE16 3LN said:

Time the French fisherman understood that they can't just fish where they want...its the PROTOCOLS. Threatening to cut off electricity supplies to Hospitals and Care Homes isn't the way forward. If they can drive an HGV then they can have a job.

Imagine being an island nation and voluntarily cutting yourself off?

 

Once you resolve the logic behind that then the answers will flow to your other points. 

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52 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

You have to wonder why…is it so they can keep putting the blame on the people themselves? Gets people all turning on each other. All this shit lately is the same. 

 

There could be a multitude of reasons, it all depends on who leaked it and what their motive was if they had a motive, it could have been anything from political to embarrass and put more presure on the government, could have been all about money by bumping up sales, could even have been a ploy to try and get cheap labour from the EU again even just for a short while, or it might even have been plain old stupidity or naivety in not thinking that by going to the media there would be the panic that followed.

 

Of course the media are not blameless either in causing the panic buying.

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1 hour ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

Even the Telegraph now wakening up to reality.

 

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The Times article today making it clear EU freedom of movement and "cabotage" (UK drivers have neither opportunity, obviously) means EU doesn't have anything like the same issues here.

 

For those of the "but there's a shortage of 100,00 drivers in the EU!!" persuasion - Google "cabotage". 

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1 hour ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

There could be a multitude of reasons, it all depends on who leaked it and what their motive was if they had a motive, it could have been anything from political to embarrass and put more presure on the government, could have been all about money by bumping up sales, could even have been a ploy to try and get cheap labour from the EU again even just for a short while, or it might even have been plain old stupidity or naivety in not thinking that by going to the media there would be the panic that followed.

 

Of course the media are not blameless either in causing the panic buying.

When the public sees empty supermarket shelves month after month (but not in NI or in Europe) and the govt response is "no one will starve" I think its a bit rich to blame the media. 

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20 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

When the public sees empty supermarket shelves month after month (but not in NI or in Europe) and the govt response is "no one will starve" I think its a bit rich to blame the media. 

 

Where have you got empty supermarket shelves from?  My post was in relation to the current petrol shortages and the media's part in stoking the flames of panic.

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24 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

When the public sees empty supermarket shelves month after month (but not in NI or in Europe) and the govt response is "no one will starve" I think its a bit rich to blame the media. 

Raab actually did promise the Sheeple quote, “adequate food” and the swivel-eyed loon Anne Widdecombe was adamant that Brexit would be nothing compared to our sacrifices during WW2. All this, whilst their Leave ‘movement’ simultaneously promised “Sunny Uplands”, unicorns and rainbows might have provoked some Leavers to question the inconsistency of such conflicting rhetoric. 

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27 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Where have you got empty supermarket shelves from?  My post was in relation to the current petrol shortages and the media's part in stoking the flames of panic.

So was mine but in the broader context of fuel shortages have been going on for months - I've frequently seen garages with no diesel - and lack of fresh produce (also been going on for months). The public are simply responding to what's been happening for months but the govt want us all to pretend it's just panic buying over fuel. It isn't. 

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16 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said:

So was mine but in the broader context of fuel shortages have been going on for months - I've frequently seen garages with no diesel - and lack of fresh produce (also been going on for months). The public are simply responding to what's been happening for months but the govt want us all to pretend it's just panic buying over fuel. It isn't. 

 

The public are responding to what was reported in the media, as you say yourself there has been fuel shortages for months but until last week and it was reported in the media, very few people had even noticed and nobody was panic buying.

 

Food shortages, I've not seen row upon row of empty shelves, the kind that has been reported and is often shown in the media, I have however, seen since around June in my local co-op, being short of this produce or that produce and the next day or two later being short of other things but then having plenty of what they were short off the day or so before, the shops in the larger towns of Galashiels I have not seen any major shortages, sure a line might be empty but usually there are other brands to choose from and no panic buying, not that I've seen.

Will be in Gala tomorrow for our monthly shop, so will be able to see if anything has changed since last month, will also be the first time needing fuel since all this broke last week, so will see what the score is with fuel as well.

 

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3 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Imagine being an island nation and voluntarily cutting yourself off?

 

Once you resolve the logic behind that then the answers will flow to your other points. 

You mean after months of shouting about the PROTOCOLS, you're now defending the French ignorance of the PROTOCOLS 😂

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More brexit lies ; "the shortage is caused by Covid and severe impact on DQC training courses for drivers last year".

 

In the year Apr 2020 - April 2021 over 81K tests were conducted.

More than in the 2 preceeding years (73K each year).

 

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3 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

More brexit lies ; "the shortage is caused by Covid and severe impact on DQC training courses for drivers last year".

 

In the year Apr 2020 - April 2021 over 81K tests were conducted.

More than in the 2 preceeding years (73K each year).

 

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That can't be right. We were locked down for a good part of that year

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On 28/09/2021 at 12:03, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Once again this morning on the news, an open goal for labour but they don't take the shot.

 

The shadow home secretary when asked what labour would do, the reply was 'we'd ask industry what they needed', he then criticized the 5000 visas for HGV drivers as not enough, but when asked how many labour would have the reply was again ' we'd ask industry'.

 

This is not the kind of leadership people want to see in the opposition, effectively it's we don't know what to do so we'd ask somebody else.

 

Whereas, what I think the public want to see is something like this.

We'd have 20,000 HGV visa's for 18 months, prioritze HGV licence applications at DVLA, we would work on these 24/7,  then longer term we would then look at why so many drivers are leaving the industry and why we can't attract new drivers, what needs to be done to make people see that driving an HGV is a good career choice and encourage drivers back into the industry.

 

I think it's certainly a lot better than basically saying we'd ask somebody else what to do.

 

I sometimes wonder if labour really want to get back into government again, the worst tory government is goodness knows how long and labour still can't lay a glove on them and still trail them in the polls.


I think the Owen Jones brigade secretly prefer being able to shout about their policies without ever having to deliver them. They’re professional campaigners and bandwagon jumpers who like pointing out where everyone else is going wrong but don’t like to be scrutinised/challenged themselves.

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I hope this link works.

Not really "brexit" but interesting/funny to see how some Amercians are struggling with UK/Ireland , Euros & Sterling. 

 

 

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13 hours ago, ri Alban said:

People liked it here. But Brexit put paid to that.

Why live and work somewhere you are hated. (Perceived) And why help those same ***** out, who fecking hate you.

 

 

Anyway, isn't it just convenient, that the government, with it's media lapdogs, sound the panic button on fuel, (which we have plenty of , with plenty of drivers for)then all of a sudden bring in work Visas.  After the dafties lose there shit on the forecourts. 

 

Couldn't the EU HGV drivers, who liked it here, have applied for residency visas?

I work in an organisation with many EU & non-EU workers - I've yet to hear of any who have returned home permanently.

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47 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

I hope this link works.

Not really "brexit" but interesting/funny to see how some Amercians are struggling with UK/Ireland , Euros & Sterling. 

 

 

 

That does not surprise me in the slightest.

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1 hour ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


I think the Owen Jones brigade secretly prefer being able to shout about their policies without ever having to deliver them. They’re professional campaigners and bandwagon jumpers who like pointing out where everyone else is going wrong but don’t like to be scrutinised/challenged themselves.

 

Yeh, I'd agree, it's easy to say we'd do this that and the next thing, knowing that you won't ever need to actually do it.

 

You mentioned yesterday about the Labour in-fighting, seen a clip on the news, showing Starmer being heckled by people in the crowd during his speech today, it's a party divided.  The tories must be sitting there not believing their luck that they have such a dis-jointed at war with itself party, as their opposition.

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12 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Yeh, I'd agree, it's easy to say we'd do this that and the next thing, knowing that you won't ever need to actually do it.

 

You mentioned yesterday about the Labour in-fighting, seen a clip on the news, showing Starmer being heckled by people in the crowd during his speech today, it's a party divided.  The tories must be sitting there not believing their luck that they have such a dis-jointed at war with itself party, as their opposition.

Yes, as right wing commentator  Keunnsberg said today, pragmatism is the way forward. 

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The Tories are constantly at war with each other.

Always have been.

They just prefer to do it in back rooms (like the 1922 committee) rather than in public.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Cade said:

The Tories are constantly at war with each other.

Always have been.

They just prefer to do it in back rooms (like the 1922 committee) rather than in public.

 

 

 

Indeed.

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