Brexit Deal agreed ( updated )

[Francis Albert]

56 minutes ago, Deke Thornton said:

Hauliers and supermarkets used the availability of EU drivers to operate a low wage system with poor working conditions. The government let them get away with that. Now the same hauliers and supermarkets are whining collectively about a shortage of drivers and want the government to sort it out.

 

Quite right. Unfortunately HGV drivers being by nature rather individualistic and working for generally small haulage companies  do not have a powerful union like for example train drivers. The problem they have was compounded by the availability of drivers from the whole of the EU on even lower wages. 

They should simply have been paid more. And should be.

[Francis Albert]

and these emergency short term visas  should go alongside a decent minimum wage by those who employ them. Taking back  control in other words.

[Ulysses]

8 hours ago, SectionDJambo said:

 

They should also stop people from filling up jerry cans at the same time as their cars.  Apart from the delays caused for others wishing to refuel, those people are taking a highly inflamable liquid onto their properties at home, which is resulting in a severe risk to them and their neighbours. Most of them will have absolutely no experience of handling hazardous substances. It's a crazy thing to do.

 

To be fair, some British people own these:

 

 

[Ulysses]

7 hours ago, Deke Thornton said:

If people panic because of idiotic and irresponsible news reports that a tiny number of petrol stations (BP and Esso only) had delivery issues, god help us if aliens ever invade.

 

 

Fair comment.  Look what happened when someone spoofed you that this would be a possibility.

 

[Don Dan]

EU to the rescue! Do panic though Boris will say it was all his doing.🤡
 

 

https://apple.news/AC4rdT-cnRcaNRX5rBMnNlw

 

BRUSSELS (Reuters) -The European Union hopes to resolve the trading difficulties of Northern Ireland by the end of the year, the EU’s post-Brexit coordinator said on Tuesday, while warning London against unilaterally suspending the terms of the divorce deal.

European Commission vice-president Maros Sefcovic, who oversees EU relations with Britain, once again rejected a British demand to renegotiate the protocol governing Northern Ireland’s trading position.

However, he said wanted to find solutions within the protocol to free up the movement of goods to the British province.

“We should do our utmost to resolve all outstanding issues before the end of the year, so that’s the timeframe within which we work,” Sefcovic told reporters after a meeting with national EU ministers in Brussels.

He said the bloc wanted to focus on the practical problems faced by people and businesses in Northern Ireland.

Under the protocol, Britain agreed to leave some EU rules in place in Northern Ireland and accept checks on goods arriving from elsewhere in the United Kingdom, in order to preserve an open land border with EU member state Ireland.

However, the arrangement has effectively placed a border in the Irish Sea, angering pro-British unionists who believe it divides them from the rest of the United Kingdom.

Sefcovic’s British counterpart David Frost has raised the prospect of triggering “Article 16” of the protocol, which allows either side to dispense with its terms if they are proving unexpectedly harmful.

Sefcovic said it would be “extremely unhelpful” if Britain did so, adding that the European Union would then look into all options in response.

“But, as I said, we definitely hope that we would avoid that scenario because I think that, first and foremost, the best outcome for the people in Northern Ireland would be a solution and not further tensions or confrontations,” he said.

[Cade]

EU are essentially telling the UK to pull the feckin finger out and properly implement the Protocol.

 

It's our failings to put things in place that has led to all the hold-ups.

[redjambo]

2 hours ago, LMc said:

I had absolutely no issues filling my tank up today. 

 

[Francis Albert]

1 hour ago, Boy Daniel said:

EU to the rescue! Do panic though Boris will say it was all his doing.🤡
 

 

https://apple.news/AC4rdT-cnRcaNRX5rBMnNlw

 

BRUSSELS (Reuters) -The European Union hopes to resolve the trading difficulties of Northern Ireland by the end of the year, the EU’s post-Brexit coordinator said on Tuesday, while warning London against unilaterally suspending the terms of the divorce deal.

European Commission vice-president Maros Sefcovic, who oversees EU relations with Britain, once again rejected a British demand to renegotiate the protocol governing Northern Ireland’s trading position.

However, he said wanted to find solutions within the protocol to free up the movement of goods to the British province.

“We should do our utmost to resolve all outstanding issues before the end of the year, so that’s the timeframe within which we work,” Sefcovic told reporters after a meeting with national EU ministers in Brussels.

He said the bloc wanted to focus on the practical problems faced by people and businesses in Northern Ireland.

Under the protocol, Britain agreed to leave some EU rules in place in Northern Ireland and accept checks on goods arriving from elsewhere in the United Kingdom, in order to preserve an open land border with EU member state Ireland.

However, the arrangement has effectively placed a border in the Irish Sea, angering pro-British unionists who believe it divides them from the rest of the United Kingdom.

Sefcovic’s British counterpart David Frost has raised the prospect of triggering “Article 16” of the protocol, which allows either side to dispense with its terms if they are proving unexpectedly harmful.

Sefcovic said it would be “extremely unhelpful” if Britain did so, adding that the European Union would then look into all options in response.

“But, as I said, we definitely hope that we would avoid that scenario because I think that, first and foremost, the best outcome for the people in Northern Ireland would be a solution and not further tensions or confrontations,” he said.

Not sure how any of that translates as EU to the rescue 

[Francis Albert]

30 minutes ago, Cade said:

EU are essentially telling the UK to pull the feckin finger out and properly implement the Protocol.

 

It's our failings to put things in place that has led to all the hold-ups.

The EU would say that would't  they

[Francis Albert]

6 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Here's an example of the general view on the position. I think he meant % not k

 

 

 

 

 

So half of UK HGV drivers are no longer active. I wonder how many have been replaced by cheaper drivers under "freedom of movement" allowing haulage firms to employ cheaper drivers from the EU. 

[Unknown user]

55 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

The EU would say that would't  they

 

Well yes, because it's true. But I suppose you would say that wouldn't you?

[WorldChampions1902]

15 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

So half of UK HGV drivers are no longer active. I wonder how many have been replaced by cheaper drivers under "freedom of movement" allowing haulage firms to employ cheaper drivers from the EU. 

At lot less than there used to be according to Pro-Brexit Warburtons bakery…….   How ironic!

 

[Francis Albert]

9 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Well yes, because it's true. But I suppose you would say that wouldn't you?

Well yes I would. What parts of the protocol has the UK failed to implement? 

[Francis Albert]

2 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

At lot less than there used to be according to Pro-Brexit Warburtons bakery…….   How ironic!

 

Maybe they should pay their drivers more rather than relying on cheap freedom of movement labour. 

[WorldChampions1902]

1 minute ago, Francis Albert said:

Maybe they should pay their drivers more rather than relying on cheap freedom of movement labour. 

It’s happening now seemingly.
 

Just a pity that the U.K. chose to inflict serious and long-lasting damage on its economy (i.e. Brexit), in order to salve its social conscience. Very touching. Presumably we will follow suit in all the other sectors of the economy impacted by Brexit-induced labour shortages? If the tabloids are to be believed, veg producers are now offering £30 an hour to pick Broccoli.
 

What can possibly go wrong?

[Pans Jambo]

Queues at fuel stations. Food shortages. Prices going up. Whats next? Rationing electricity at certain times of the day?

Brexit = Slowly turning the UK into Zimbabwe!

[Cade]

Everybody getting big pay rises sounds very nice, if you're a moron.

 

Those pay rises have to be passed on, otherwise companies will go bust.

Even with the cheaper wages they've been paying for decades, margins are tight.
Paying out higher wages means companies will go bust.

So they have to pass on the higher wages down the supply chain.

So then the next link in the chain also has to pass them on down the chain.

But this takes time; the entire supply chain doesn't just put all of it's prices up overnight.

If you whack yer prices up overnight, your customers all leave and you go bust instantly.

You do it slowly, accruing losses all the time until such time as you can justify putting prices up high enough to balance out the higher wages you're paying.
IF your company can last that long.

So the smaller companies all the way along the supply chain go bust as they can't absorb the higher prices long enough to put their own prices up.

And eventually the consumer ends up paying the cost by way of more expensive items on the shelves.

So people need higher wages to be able to afford things as easily as they could.

And so the cycle continues.

Inflation rises.

So the Government/Central Bank put interest rates up to discourage spending to bring it back down.

So borrowing becomes more expensive.

All the medium size companies that were just about surviving can't afford more loans, so they go bust.

 

You end up with inflation in double figures and job losses all over the shop. Just like the 1970s.

You cannae just whack everybody's pay up.

That's fantasy land.

AKA Brexit Britain.

[Ked]

1 minute ago, Cade said:

Everybody getting big pay rises sounds very nice, if you're a moron.

 

Those pay rises have to be passed on, otherwise companies will go bust.

Even with the cheaper wages they've been paying for decades, margins are tight.
Paying out higher wages means companies will go bust.

So they have to pass on the higher wages down the supply chain.

So then the next link in the chain also has to pass them on down the chain.

But this takes time; the entire supply chain doesn't just put all of it's prices up overnight.

If you whack yer prices up overnight, your customers all leave and you go bust instantly.

You do it slowly, accruing losses all the time until such time as you can justify putting prices up high enough to balance out the higher wages you're paying.
IF your company can last that long.

So the smaller companies all the way along the supply chain go bust as they can't absorb the higher prices long enough to put their own prices up.

And eventually the consumer ends up paying the cost by way of more expensive items on the shelves.

So people need higher wages to be able to afford things as easily as they could.

And so the cycle continues.

Inflation rises.

So the Government/Central Bank put interest rates up to discourage spending to bring it back down.

So borrowing becomes more expensive.

All the medium size companies that were just about surviving can't afford more loans, so they go bust.

 

You end up with inflation in double figures and job losses all over the shop. Just like the 1970s.

You cannae just whack everybody's pay up.

That's fantasy land.

AKA Brexit Britain.

So you are advocating a low wage economy?

Fed by immigrants?

Can I ask what you do and your wage or is it only lorry drivers ,care workers ,waitrose shelter fillers that have to work for minimum rate so you can have deflated prices.

 

The truth is we all pay not enough for our lifestyle.

Cheap throwaway products.

Imported foods that impoverished  countries have to produce so that multinationals can make their margins.

It is an eye opener.Your argument doesnt make sense given posts I've read if yours before.Im conservative but I find the exploitation of people my side of the street distasteful. I found this article interesting.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/26/michel-barnier-french-presidency-my-secret-brexit-diary-interview

 

 

[periodictabledancer]

49 minutes ago, Cade said:

Everybody getting big pay rises sounds very nice, if you're a moron.

 

Those pay rises have to be passed on, otherwise companies will go bust.

Even with the cheaper wages they've been paying for decades, margins are tight.
Paying out higher wages means companies will go bust.

So they have to pass on the higher wages down the supply chain.

So then the next link in the chain also has to pass them on down the chain.

But this takes time; the entire supply chain doesn't just put all of it's prices up overnight.

If you whack yer prices up overnight, your customers all leave and you go bust instantly.

You do it slowly, accruing losses all the time until such time as you can justify putting prices up high enough to balance out the higher wages you're paying.
IF your company can last that long.

So the smaller companies all the way along the supply chain go bust as they can't absorb the higher prices long enough to put their own prices up.

And eventually the consumer ends up paying the cost by way of more expensive items on the shelves.

So people need higher wages to be able to afford things as easily as they could.

And so the cycle continues.

Inflation rises.

So the Government/Central Bank put interest rates up to discourage spending to bring it back down.

So borrowing becomes more expensive.

All the medium size companies that were just about surviving can't afford more loans, so they go bust.

 

You end up with inflation in double figures and job losses all over the shop. Just like the 1970s.

You cannae just whack everybody's pay up.

That's fantasy land.

AKA Brexit Britain.

Low wage economy subsidised by taxpayers as in work poverty continues to rise and the benefits bill climbs ever upwards. Companies need to pay a living  wage and consumers pay realistic prices. 

[WorldChampions1902]

It ain’t going to work.

 

[Taffin]

9 hours ago, Ked said:

So you are advocating a low wage economy?

Fed by immigrants?

Can I ask what you do and your wage or is it only lorry drivers ,care workers ,waitrose shelter fillers that have to work for minimum rate so you can have deflated prices.

 

The truth is we all pay not enough for our lifestyle.

Cheap throwaway products.

Imported foods that impoverished  countries have to produce so that multinationals can make their margins.

It is an eye opener.Your argument doesnt make sense given posts I've read if yours before.Im conservative but I find the exploitation of people my side of the street distasteful. I found this article interesting.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/26/michel-barnier-french-presidency-my-secret-brexit-diary-interview

 

 

 

Good post. People having to pay for things might just make us a little less wasteful too it hits us in the pocket as well.

[Nucky Thompson]

[WorldChampions1902]

56 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Good post. People having to pay for things might just make us a little less wasteful too it hits us in the pocket as well.

But that wasn’t what we were promised was it?? Escalating costs, forcing up shop prices is the complete opposite of this pledge…….remember? Not another great big lie surely? Project Reality yet again.

 

 

[SectionDJambo]

9 hours ago, periodictabledancer said:

Low wage economy subsidised by taxpayers as in work poverty continues to rise and the benefits bill climbs ever upwards. Companies need to pay a living  wage and consumers pay realistic prices. 

Yes. However, such is human nature in the "I'm alright Jack" way of the UK, that people are delighted to see others earn a proper wage for their work as long as it doesn't impact on them, and the differential between what different jobs earn is maintained if it favours them.

The extent of the togetherness of the UK population can be seen by the shenanigans at the petrol pumps and the panic buying of food and essentials at the start of Covid 19. The myth that British people have the "blitz spirit" is as laughable as the one about the "special relationship" with the US. Neither exists. The UK has gone to the dogs and we have only ourselves, as a collective population, to blame.

[Savage Vince]

1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said:

 

11 hours ago, Pans Jambo said:

Queues at fuel stations. Food shortages. Prices going up. Whats next? 

 

Mass public disorder. The police have been training all over the country for it since the vote. Glencourse Barracks has regular events where plod train up to batter angry, hungry citizens. 

[Victorian]

The economy,  macro and the real economy,  as well as the labour market's supply / demand / wages dynamic always exists in a very finely balanced equilibrium.  Fine adjustments,  intended and unintended,  always upsets something else in the equilibrium.  Cutting off supply of labour in the dogmatic belief that business and the labour market will nimbly react to meet demand is a perfect example of obsolete political ideology ruling over cautious practicality.  Wage levels and the demand & supply of the native labour market will settle and remain in a natural equilibrium but the supply of non-UK labour is imperative.  Perhaps only now,  the ideologues will begin to accept that cheaper foreign labour is a necessary part of the overall equilibrium.

[Savage Vince]

1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said:

 

This is what the plebs that voted for this shambles have been reduced to. 😊

[WorldChampions1902]

11 minutes ago, Victorian said:

The economy,  macro and the real economy,  as well as the labour market's supply / demand / wages dynamic always exists in a very finely balanced equilibrium.  Fine adjustments,  intended and unintended,  always upsets something else in the equilibrium.  Cutting off supply of labour in the dogmatic belief that business and the labour market will nimbly react to meet demand is a perfect example of obsolete political ideology ruling over cautious practicality.  Wage levels and the demand & supply of the native labour market will settle and remain in a natural equilibrium but the supply of non-UK labour is imperative.  Perhaps only now,  the ideologues will begin to accept that cheaper foreign labour is a necessary part of the overall equilibrium.

Unfortunately, this basic fact runs contrary to the strongly-held beliefs of the anti Johnny Foreigner brigade. Many Leavers voted purely on that basis and we already know that non-EU immigration has rocketed whilst EU immigration has markedly dropped, leaving net immigration figures largely unchanged.
 

Imagine voting for Brexit in the deluded belief that by doing so, we would have less immigrants? It ain’t happening and at some point, the penny will finally drop that the U.K. has screwed itself again, over yet another delusion.

[Taffin]

1 hour ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

But that wasn’t what we were promised was it?? Escalating costs, forcing up shop prices is the complete opposite of this pledge…….remember? Not another great big lie surely? Project Reality yet again.

 

 

 

 

Maybe there are some upsides so Brexit after all then. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Pans Jambo]

1 hour ago, Taffin said:

 

 

Maybe there are some upsides so Brexit after all then. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I would NEVER get tired of kicking him square in the puss!

 

Edit: Sorry, replied to the wrong post . Mogg I meant!

Edited September 27, 2021 by Pans Jambo

[Taffin]

5 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

I would NEVER get tired of kicking him square in the puss!

 

Edit: Sorry, replied to the wrong post . Mogg I meant!

 

No worries, I concur though 👍

[Nucky Thompson]

1 hour ago, Savage Vince said:

 

This is what the plebs that voted for this shambles have been reduced to. 😊

Aye, laughing at folk going all gammon and blaming everything on Brexit.

 

 

[Francis Albert]

I find it hard to reconcile many of the recent posts and the imminent collapse of Britain to the status of a third world basket case with the fact that 6 million EU citizens successfully  applied for permanent residence status in the UK (about twice as many as we thought lived here). Not to mention the tens of thousands risking their lives to escape from the paradise of the EU/France to get to the UK.

Edited September 27, 2021 by Francis Albert

[Don Dan]

UK petrol station problems show Brexit was "intellectual fraud" - French minister Beaune http://reut.rs/3CSybAK

 

 

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[Nucky Thompson]

A French minister having a pop at Brexit. Whatever next 

 

There's a fuel crisis because the dafties are panic buying after a deliberate ploy created by the haulage industry.

 

 

[Cade]

We don't live in a free market economy.

We never have.

Nobody does.

It's a myth.

 

Subsidies are flying about all over the place, and that's not a free market.

Housing benefit is nothing more than general taxation being used to keep rental prices nice and high for the boomer landlords.

Same goes for help to buy schemes. General taxation is again used to keep the housing bubble artificially inflated.

If we truly lived in a free market economy then rents would have to fall to meet what people could actually afford on their own without government help. Same goes for house prices.

 

Tons of different industries are being subsidised, which is uncompetitive and not free market.

Some are even "too big to fail" or "national strategic assets" like Steel and Banking.

These guys can cream off as much as they want, pay themselves huge bonuses, rack up billions in debt, all in the full and safe knowledge that the taxpayer will pick up the tab as they won't be allowed to go under no matter what.

 

It's a racket.

 

If we truly lived in a free market capitalist economy then nobody would get any subsidies and they would live or die on their own talent, pricing and market forces.

 

[Don Dan]

41 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

A French minister having a pop at Brexit. Whatever next 

 

There's a fuel crisis because the dafties are panic buying after a deliberate ploy created by the haulage industry.

 

 

He right about “Intellectual Fraud” the half baked Eton Mess and the beer swilling fraud Farage amongst others like plonker Mogg sold us a flawed dream Del Boy style.

 

[Lone Striker]

14 hours ago, Ked said:

So you are advocating a low wage economy?

Fed by immigrants?

Can I ask what you do and your wage or is it only lorry drivers ,care workers ,waitrose shelter fillers that have to work for minimum rate so you can have deflated prices.

 

The truth is we all pay not enough for our lifestyle.

Cheap throwaway products.

Imported foods that impoverished  countries have to produce so that multinationals can make their margins.

It is an eye opener.Your argument doesnt make sense given posts I've read if yours before.Im conservative but I find the exploitation of people my side of the street distasteful. I found this article interesting.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/26/michel-barnier-french-presidency-my-secret-brexit-diary-interview

 

 

Very good post, agree 100%.     Just re-opening limited EU immigration through short-term visas isn't solving much.   We're only now waking up to the true value of many jobs which we previously thought were "low skilled" and therefore didn't care if they were  low paid.       How can our economy  be adjusted to reflect this re-evaluation though - maybe 10 years of big increases in minimum/living wage ?     Maybe close lots of tax loopholes which wealthy individuals and companies take advantage of to reduce their tax bills ?     Increase  CGT on house sales to slow down house price inflation ?   Introduce rent controls ?    

 

 I've no faith whatsoever that any government will do any of that though - far too much self-interest and focus on getting re-elected every 5 years by an in-built  majority of rich or comfortable voters.

 

Market forces will definitely mean higher commodity prices for everyone though, including energy - which is quite ironic given the massive government subsidies dished out to power companies over the last 20 years  to created renewable energy in the first place.  

 

I've never been one to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon, but it's seriously crossing my mind that there's more to the current crises than just Covid-related things, lack of wind in the summer, and problems with Russian oil supply into Europe.      It seems  inconceivable that the Vote Leave mafia were never alerted to war-gaming scenarios by economic experts of what was likely to follow when you abandon 40-odd years of trade/work/migration rules with your nearest partners   - it's just that they managed to convince enough voters that it was all scare-mongering nonsense by Remoaners.  But all along, the movers & shakers saw it as a massive business opportunity to rinse us for higher profits ?

[Governor Tarkin]

55 minutes ago, Cade said:

We don't live in a free market economy.

We never have.

Nobody does.

It's a myth.

 

Subsidies are flying about all over the place, and that's not a free market.

Housing benefit is nothing more than general taxation being used to keep rental prices nice and high for the boomer landlords.

Same goes for help to buy schemes. General taxation is again used to keep the housing bubble artificially inflated.

If we truly lived in a free market economy then rents would have to fall to meet what people could actually afford on their own without government help. Same goes for house prices.

 

Tons of different industries are being subsidised, which is uncompetitive and not free market.

Some are even "too big to fail" or "national strategic assets" like Steel and Banking.

These guys can cream off as much as they want, pay themselves huge bonuses, rack up billions in debt, all in the full and safe knowledge that the taxpayer will pick up the tab as they won't be allowed to go under no matter what.

 

It's a racket.

 

If we truly lived in a free market capitalist economy then nobody would get any subsidies and they would live or die on their own talent, pricing and market forces.

 

 

Would you prefer that we lived in a free market economy then? A real, survival of the fittest one. No subsidies, no state aid, zilch.

[Governor Tarkin]

5 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

But all along, the movers & shakers saw it as a massive business opportunity to rinse us for higher profits ?

 

The long and short of it, right there.

[Lone Striker]

1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said:

A French minister having a pop at Brexit. Whatever next 

 

There's a fuel crisis because the dafties are panic buying after a deliberate ploy created by the haulage industry.

 

 

Can you explain how that works please ?

[WorldChampions1902]

30 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

He right about “Intellectual Fraud” the half baked Eton Mess and the beer swilling fraud Farage amongst others like plonker Mogg sold us a flawed dream Del Boy style.

 

But forget the misery in the background and just admire the big bold crown on that pint glass. A Brexit picture that paints a thousand words.

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said:

A French minister having a pop at Brexit. Whatever next 

 

There's a fuel crisis because the dafties are panic buying after a deliberate ploy created by the haulage industry.

 

 

 

The head of the petrol retailers seems to think so as well, as it is the hauliers whom he blames for the leak that started all of this.

Reason why it was leaked to the media, take your pick, could be political, could be a ploy to try and get more overseas HGV drivers back into the country or just plain stupidly/naivety by talking to and trusting the media, either way whoever it was is probably looking for a new job right about now or will be once they find out who it was.

[Francis Albert]

49 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

Can you explain how that works please ?

One simple theory is that RHA and its members want more or continued access to cheap Eastern European HGV drivers. So create a supposed crisis and hey presto. 

[Nucky Thompson]

56 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

Can you explain how that works please ?

Going to the press with the intention of causing panic amongst the public, which then puts the UK government under pressure.

 

There's been a slight shortage of fuel at very few forecourts for a couple of months now and nobody even noticed 

Edited September 27, 2021 by Nucky Thompson

[Nucky Thompson]

13 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

The head of the petrol retailers seems to think so as well, as it is the hauliers whom he blames for the leak that started all of this.

Reason why it was leaked to the media, take your pick, could be political, could be a ploy to try and get more overseas HGV drivers back into the country or just plain stupidly/naivety by talking to and trusting the media, either way whoever it was is probably looking for a new job right about now or will be once they find out who it was.

Whoever it was, they should be arrested for causing public disorder 

[Lone Striker]

2 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

One simple theory is that RHA and its members want more or continued access to cheap Eastern European HGV drivers. So create a supposed crisis and hey presto. 

 

1 minute ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Going to the press with the intention of causing panic with the public, which then puts the UK government under pressure.

 

There's been a slight shortage of fuel at very few forecourts for a couple of months now and nobody even noticed 

 

Ah. ok. I see what you mean now. Thanks for explaining.      Not sure how UK companies can get away with paying EU drivers in this country less than UK drivers though ... is there employment loopholes that allow it ? 

[Francis Albert]

Meanwhile the Director General of the BBC gets a £75000 salary increase after a year in the job bringing his salary to £525,000 a year. Nice work if you can get it.

[Francis Albert]

3 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

 

 

Ah. ok. I see what you mean now. Thanks for explaining.      Not sure how UK companies can get away with paying EU drivers in this country less than UK drivers though ... is there employment loopholes that allow it ? 

There is no law as far as I am aware that they have to pay all drivers the same. But even if there was increasing the supply of drivers will tend to reduce what they have to pay them. 

[Don Dan]

1 hour ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

But forget the misery in the background and just admire the big bold crown on that pint glass. A Brexit picture that paints a thousand words.

 

Very apt backdrop for the future of the UK especially if we continue with this Tory government.