Don Dan Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 44 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Has brought forward main hearing to Tuesday. Not a defeat for the campaigners. Tuesday 10am. It will be interesting to see how long the case will take. I often wonder who foots the bill for these proceedings. They can’t be cheap or free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 18 hours ago, annushorribilis III said: Who's "they"? If someone did come up with a "dubious" way to stop Brexit then ERG et al could also use the courts to decide. Just because it's "dubious" does not mean it's inherently unconstitutional and if the UK actually had a written constitution then there would be no need for this ( like avoiding the need to get a court order to make an advisory referendum legally binding on the govt) . You know full well that what BJ has done is unprecedented (whether it's unconstitutional we'll soon find out) and Bercow has not pulled his punches on the matter. I respect your point of view but not your bias : you simply indulge in whataboutery dressed up as debate. This is a good post but I have to quibble with the bit in bold. The US has a written constitution and we argue about it and its meaning in court all the time. Constitutional challenges are all over the place, and every Supreme Court session will have at least a few, to say nothing of all the federal circuit courts where constitutional interpretation is argued, and state appeal and supreme courts. What the written constitution does potentially do is give a little more clarity as to what the result of any of these arguments will be (until they turn out the opposite way you thought would make sense, which happens way too much). That said, as it stands, who knows how this one is going to go, since we have nothing written to guide us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Liars, cheats and hypocrites. That's the the Tory cabinet for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajones Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 24 minutes ago, maroonlegions said: Liars, cheats and hypocrites. That's the the Tory cabinet for you. They are the scum of humanity. Zero cares for the people and only bothered about their own careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 29 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said: Tuesday 10am. It will be interesting to see how long the case will take. I often wonder who foots the bill for these proceedings. They can’t be cheap or free. Usually whoever loses as far as I know, the remainers have crowd funded their costs seemingly, whilst if the government lose I'd imagine it'll be the tax payer who will foot the bill. I see former PM John Major has backed Gina Miller in her court case against the proroguing of Parliament. Remember this is the very same John Major who himself prorogued parliament in 1997 for 19 days in an attempt to prevent awkward questions about the 'cash for questions' scandal, seems it was alright when he did it but it's an outrage when someone else does the same thing, oh the hypocrisy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 54 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said: Tuesday 10am. It will be interesting to see how long the case will take. I often wonder who foots the bill for these proceedings. They can’t be cheap or free. Loser pays the costs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 26 minutes ago, indianajones said: They are the scum of humanity. Zero cares for the people and only bothered about their own careers. Spot on mate. Even this old Tory dog would be willing to sell his own out in this current junta. Ken Clarke says he would vote for Jeremy Corbyn unity government to stop Boris Johnson’s ‘Ukip rebranded’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 The politicians focus should be on stopping No Deal. Anything else is a sideshow created by Cummings. Rumours that a big advertising blitz on how to "Get Ready"* for a no deal Brexit next week. Imagine a campaign akin to a war footing on a wholly avoidable scenario, yet muppets up and down the country are lapping this up. *Assume advice on stockpiling rather than listening to New Order's 2001 comeback album Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Seems the October 31st deadline isn't so important for the EU now. Is that your bluff being called Boris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 57 minutes ago, maroonlegions said: Liars, cheats and hypocrites. That's the the Tory cabinet for you. 24 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Usually whoever loses as far as I know, the remainers have crowd funded their costs seemingly, whilst if the government lose I'd imagine it'll be the tax payer who will foot the bill. I see former PM John Major has backed Gina Miller in her court case against the proroguing of Parliament. Remember this is the very same John Major who himself prorogued parliament in 1997 for 19 days in an attempt to prevent awkward questions about the 'cash for questions' scandal, seems it was alright when he did it but it's an outrage when someone else does the same thing, oh the hypocrisy. The sad truth is all politicians are liars, cheats and hypocrites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said: The sad truth is all politicians are liars, cheats and hypocrites. Without a doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 25 minutes ago, maroonlegions said: Spot on mate. Even this old Tory dog would be willing to sell his own out in this current junta. Ken Clarke says he would vote for Jeremy Corbyn unity government to stop Boris Johnson’s ‘Ukip rebranded’ You can’t have it both ways, you can’t criticise them for crashing ahead with their own agenda and then in the same breath criticise one of them for rejecting this own party for the good of the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 1 hour ago, indianajones said: They are the scum of humanity. Zero cares for the people and only bothered about their own careers. And money, naturally. That has always been the way of the Tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 49 minutes ago, Costanza said: The politicians focus should be on stopping No Deal. Anything else is a sideshow created by Cummings. Rumours that a big advertising blitz on how to "Get Ready"* for a no deal Brexit next week. Imagine a campaign akin to a war footing on a wholly avoidable scenario, yet muppets up and down the country are lapping this up. *Assume advice on stockpiling rather than listening to New Order's 2001 comeback album If it's more useful than the advice to hide under a door in the event of a nuclear attack, I'll be surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Meantime quite a few examples of EU citizens having problems with the settled status scheme. Having to provide more evidence, being rejected. Thought it was meant to be simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 18 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Meantime quite a few examples of EU citizens having problems with the settled status scheme. Having to provide more evidence, being rejected. Thought it was meant to be simple. They only have to check their tax history. Simple! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dannie Boy said: The sad truth is all politicians are liars, cheats and hypocrites. All, no , not all. This current government are beyond the pale when it comes to laying , cheating , and being hypocritical towards Brexit , welfare cut justifications, NHS spending . And public cuts , Austerity and even under May who said all those child abuse files involving high ranking individuals within politics are LOST. There is no way they would lose such files on joe bloggs or anyone from the public. Even the current PM was SACKED from his position before he came PM as was the same with the current Home secretary Priti Patel who was sacked by May in 2017 she was caught out when she was involved in a political scandal, involving unauthorised meetings with the Israeli government, ending her time as International Development Secretary. Then under another liar and very slippery character namely our current PM Boris Johnson's she assumed the role of Home Secretary . Birds of a feather flocking together is an apt description of this present Tory cabinet. Edited August 30, 2019 by maroonlegions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Unelected ball-sack Dominic Cummings has fired one of Sajid Javid's chief advisers without informing him first. Had her escorted out of Downing St by police and everything. Tories still fighting amongst themselves like rats in a sack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) And another top Tory this timed defense secretary Ben Wallace ,when interviewed all but admits that , yes you guest it , that another liar ,that is our current PM , Boris lied to the Queen. Just can't help themselves eh. You would think that for such people with so called intelligence , they would be able to not slip up. Liars or those that do it a lot are always caught out at some point, for lying is more difficult than telling the truth, why, because the truth does not fear investigation will ever feel the need to keep track of its statements. Contradictions of original statements will always be the curse of liars. These are the people who have been giving the positions of TRUST, scary as feck eh. They must be pissing themselves at the sheer gullibility of the British public to keep on taking their words as truths. Known liars too. Defence Secretary all but admits that Boris Johnson lied to the Queen; Defence Secretary Ben Wallace caught on camera explaining the real reason why Parliament has been prorogued. Nothing to do with a new agenda – it is all about numbers as the government knows they can’t command a majority in the House of Commons, thus they have misled The Queen. Defence Secretary all but admits that Boris Johnson lied to the Queen - Dorset Eye Edited August 30, 2019 by maroonlegions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 DeEr MiSsUs KwEeN kAn YoO sHuT dOwN pArLiMiNt 4 mE? i WaNt 2 PuT mAi UnKoSteD sPeNdInG pLaNz In2 aKsHuN dIs Iz NuFfInK 2 dO wIv BrExIt i PrOmIs LuV bOrIs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 The suspension of parliament feels like a Trump tactic. It may or not be constitutional but it definitely changes to focus of attention and wrong foots the opposition. So this is just a reminder that the government has 30 days to come with an alternative to the backstop that will do an acceptable job in preventing a hard border in Ireland. That was discussed at a meeting on 21 August so we are 9 days into that 30 day period. Makes you wonder what progress is being made towards that target? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 34 minutes ago, RobboM said: The suspension of parliament feels like a Trump tactic. It may or not be constitutional but it definitely changes to focus of attention and wrong foots the opposition. So this is just a reminder that the government has 30 days to come with an alternative to the backstop that will do an acceptable job in preventing a hard border in Ireland. That was discussed at a meeting on 21 August so we are 9 days into that 30 day period. Makes you wonder what progress is being made towards that target? None. Boris has openly said that this is all just a tactic to force the EU into dropping the backstop on the night of the 31st Oct. Which isn't going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 5 hours ago, indianajones said: They are the scum of humanity. Zero cares for the people and only bothered about their own careers. His Dad wouldn't be a migrant post Brexut under his plans of a minimum wage to enter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Victorian Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 If the EU can and does unilaterally withdraw the deadline date, I think I would laugh myself silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 It's funny watch liberals and the left being outraged about her maj. 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 7 hours ago, maroonlegions said: And another top Tory this timed defense secretary Ben Wallace ,when interviewed all but admits that , yes you guest it , that another liar ,that is our current PM , Boris lied to the Queen. Just can't help themselves eh. You would think that for such people with so called intelligence , they would be able to not slip up. Liars or those that do it a lot are always caught out at some point, for lying is more difficult than telling the truth, why, because the truth does not fear investigation will ever feel the need to keep track of its statements. Contradictions of original statements will always be the curse of liars. These are the people who have been giving the positions of TRUST, scary as feck eh. They must be pissing themselves at the sheer gullibility of the British public to keep on taking their words as truths. Known liars too. Defence Secretary all but admits that Boris Johnson lied to the Queen; Defence Secretary Ben Wallace caught on camera explaining the real reason why Parliament has been prorogued. Nothing to do with a new agenda – it is all about numbers as the government knows they can’t command a majority in the House of Commons, thus they have misled The Queen. Defence Secretary all but admits that Boris Johnson lied to the Queen - Dorset Eye Oh no brexit has went too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 8 hours ago, Cade said: DeEr MiSsUs KwEeN kAn YoO sHuT dOwN pArLiMiNt 4 mE? i WaNt 2 PuT mAi UnKoSteD sPeNdInG pLaNz In2 aKsHuN dIs Iz NuFfInK 2 dO wIv BrExIt i PrOmIs LuV bOrIs And the standard of "debate" astonishingly plumbs new depths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 8 hours ago, maroonlegions said: And another top Tory this timed defense secretary Ben Wallace ,when interviewed all but admits that , yes you guest it , that another liar ,that is our current PM , Boris lied to the Queen. Just can't help themselves eh. You would think that for such people with so called intelligence , they would be able to not slip up. Liars or those that do it a lot are always caught out at some point, for lying is more difficult than telling the truth, why, because the truth does not fear investigation will ever feel the need to keep track of its statements. Contradictions of original statements will always be the curse of liars. These are the people who have been giving the positions of TRUST, scary as feck eh. They must be pissing themselves at the sheer gullibility of the British public to keep on taking their words as truths. Known liars too. Defence Secretary all but admits that Boris Johnson lied to the Queen; Defence Secretary Ben Wallace caught on camera explaining the real reason why Parliament has been prorogued. Nothing to do with a new agenda – it is all about numbers as the government knows they can’t command a majority in the House of Commons, thus they have misled The Queen. Defence Secretary all but admits that Boris Johnson lied to the Queen - Dorset Eye "All but admits". So doesn't admit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Murray Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Defend Democracy, Stop Brexit 😂 One of the placards seen yesterday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Just one of the things the Union can look forward to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Brexit will mean asking the USA for a trade deal and opening up our NHS to Trump and the American corporate pharma businesses (he already said so on live TV). Well done tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 9 hours ago, Francis Albert said: And the standard of "debate" astonishingly plumbs new depths. No surprise FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Pans Jambo said: Brexit will mean asking the USA for a trade deal and opening up our NHS to Trump and the American corporate pharma businesses (he already said so on live TV). Well done tories. Why on earth would a trade deal result in these charges in the UK? And what does "prescribed for" a hip operation, knee replacement or cataract operation even mean? Desperate stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Another tightening of the screw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 30 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Another tightening of the screw Imagine an SNP MP getting elected on an SNP manifesto then turning around to their constituents and saying that Independence is a bad idea and they will never vote for it. This is basically the same thing. Closet Lib Dems need to get themselves elected as Lib Dems and stop pretending to be Tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 In an alternate world; Remain won 52-48. Corbyn is proroguing parliament to force through the adoption of the Euro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, Cade said: In an alternate world; Remain won 52-48. Corbyn is proroguing parliament to force through the adoption of the Euro. A perfectly normal operational procedure. This has nothing to do with the adoption of the Euro. The outrage is phoney. MPs who try to block the adoption of the Euro will only make it easier! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpship Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share Posted August 31, 2019 On 30/08/2019 at 12:30, maroonlegions said: Spot on mate. Even this old Tory dog would be willing to sell his own out in this current junta. Ken Clarke says he would vote for Jeremy Corbyn unity government to stop Boris Johnson’s ‘Ukip rebranded’ Its amazing people still view labour/Corbyn as the opposition. The guys had years to mount a challenge to the worst "leadership" the tories have ever had, yet he has failed at every turn.. the only thing he has done is turn voters away... Some people would say "what's going on in Westminster" Myself, I've always been under the impression, those folk who run the country, the political elite.. actually couldn't run a f-ing bath. They have hoodwinked everyone for years as everything's already in place... but now they actually have to make decisions regarding Brexit... political elite + decisions = f-ing shambles. I rest my case... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 minute ago, jumpship said: Its amazing people still view labour/Corbyn as the opposition. The guys had years to mount a challenge to the worst "leadership" the tories have ever had, yet he has failed at every turn.. the only thing he has done is turn voters away... Some people would say "what's going on in Westminster" Myself, I've always been under the impression, those folk who run the country, the political elite.. actually couldn't run a f-ing bath. They have hoodwinked everyone for years as everything's already in place... but now they actually have to make decisions regarding Brexit... political elite + decisions = f-ing shambles. I rest my case... Sadly the day of credible politicians are as rare as hens teeth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Francis Albert said: Why on earth would a trade deal result in these charges in the UK? And what does "prescribed for" a hip operation, knee replacement or cataract operation even mean? Desperate stuff. We will see who’s desperate in November to lick up Trumps hoop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 On 30/08/2019 at 12:57, Brighton Jambo said: You can’t have it both ways, you can’t criticise them for crashing ahead with their own agenda and then in the same breath criticise one of them for rejecting this own party for the good of the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Justin Z said: I’ve been rumbled! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Gove refuses to rule out simply ignoring any Primary Legislation passed next week and pushing ahead with No Deal anyways. Also known as "breaking the law". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, Cade said: Gove refuses to rule out simply ignoring any Primary Legislation passed next week and pushing ahead with No Deal anyways. Also known as "breaking the law". Backbench MPs have no business passing primary legislation. You can't just break the rules and expect your opponents to obey them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 25 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: Backbench MPs have no business passing primary legislation. You can't just break the rules and expect your opponents to obey them. That is some next-level doublethink under the circumstances, I have to say. Bravo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, Justin Z said: That is some next-level doublethink under the circumstances, I have to say. Bravo. Thanks mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Any MP can bring a bill forward. Depending on the order of business or the Speaker's allowance, it gets heard. The House as a whole then votes. If it passes, it becomes binding law for the entire nation. That's how it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 MPs cannot pass binding primary legislation without the consent of ministers which they will not get. The Prime Minister will be well within his rights to refuse royal consent which I expect him to. If you don't like it then call a vote of no confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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