Cade Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 MPs demanding that Yellowhammer be published in full. Apparently it was due to be published today but Gove blocked it because it was too negative and pessimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said: Wasnt BJ in the remain camp at one point before jumping ship when he seen an opportunity to become PM? Might be dreaming that Let's just say that he hasn't been entirely consistent in his position. https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnsons-secret-remain-article-revealed-10619546 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said: Wasnt BJ in the remain camp at one point before jumping ship when he seen an opportunity to become PM? Might be dreaming that That is correct. Pretty much right up to the start of the referendum campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Let's see what the divisions are tonight. Since tomorrow's bill won't be a confidence vote, then maybe the Labour Brexiteers could spring into action. Will it survive its second reading? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Interesting news that the Scottish conservatives are seriously thinking of splitting with the Conservative party and rebranding themselves the Scottish Unionist party. Seems a sensible move to me as they will be wiped out anyway so might as well re-brand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Anyone can see that they are not actively trying to negotiate anything sensible with the EU. They say they are but there is no evidence to back this up. They appear to be lying, which is why the rest of Parliament don’t trust them. The aim seems to be to have a no deal Brexit and blame Johnny Foreigner and the “rebels” in Parliament. This is a mess of epic proportions with Farage chuckling away in the background, counting his severance money from the EU. I’m glad I’m retiring soon because this mob have had Pandora’s Box opened for them by Cameron and some of the UK electorate and the millions more who didn’t vote. 17 million voted for this mess. Appoximately 29 million didn’t. This Tory party is going to make Thatcher’s mob look like saints. All being set up and worked from the back by nutcase, unelected, advisors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: Let's see what the divisions are tonight. Since tomorrow's bill won't be a confidence vote, then maybe the Labour Brexiteers could spring into action. Will it survive its second reading? 'Labour Brexiteers' have made a difference to some votes. This is harder for them because it's also about bringing down a Tory Government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: Interesting news that the Scottish conservatives are seriously thinking of splitting with the Conservative party and rebranding themselves the Scottish Unionist party. Seems a sensible move to me as they will be wiped out anyway so might as well re-brand. They have talked about doing this for donkey's years. Any breakaway party will still be aligned with the UK Tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 35 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: The damage that BJ and this cabinet are doing to the Tory cause will be felt for years. I know now a lot of people will always hate them but they had such an opportunity to reposition themselves as a centre right party in opposition to a very left leaning labour government (by UK standards before you all jump on me) led by a very weak socialist leader. instead they have simply confirmed everyone’s worst fears. I do wonder if BJ has just let this whole thing get away from him more than he ever Expected to and now he simply can’t put the genie back in the box. Yes Farage and the DUP have pushed them that way. But they also are going the way they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: 'Labour Brexiteers' have made a difference to some votes. This is harder for them because it's also about bringing down a Tory Government. I don't think that would stop Hoey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said: 'Labour Brexiteers' have made a difference to some votes. This is harder for them because it's also about bringing down a Tory Government. They have already lost their majority. There should be an election but Labour and Lib Dems will block one before October 31st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: They have already lost their majority. There should be an election but Labour and Lib Dems will block one before October 31st. Pity about that election in 2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Pity about that election in 2017 An election where people voted for Tory and Labour MPs but they got a dozen Lib Dem and Change UK defections. Now they want to keep this minority government stuck in aspic because they are too scared of the public. Truly bizarre situation. Edited September 3, 2019 by dobmisterdobster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, dobmisterdobster said: An election where people voted for Tory and Labour MPs but they got a dozen Lib Dem and Change UK defections. Now they want to keep this minority government stuck is aspic because they are too scared of the public. Truly bizarre situation. An election that led to UK being under the whim of the DUP Consensus is our system no dictat. If they wanted Brexit why did they not vote for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: An election that led to UK being under the whim of the DUP Consensus is our system no dictat. If they wanted Brexit why did they not vote for it? With the DUP they had a majority until MPs decided to go into business for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) Boris loses majority just by threatening to withdraw the whip. If he loses tonight and does withdraw the whip, he'll have an even smaller minority and unable to do shite-all in Parliament. But he may not be able to force a general Election to rebuild his numbers. Best thing about all of this is that May had a working majority and called a snap election because the Mail and Express said she'd score a three figure landslide! Edited September 3, 2019 by Cade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, AW1 said: They lost all credibility years ago when Clegg and Cable propped Cameron and Osborne up to form a government **** the lib dems This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 35 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: They have talked about doing this for donkey's years. Any breakaway party will still be aligned with the UK Tories. Sound like this time it could be for real. They will be loosely aligned in that they would both be conservative in nature but they would not take direction from WM and would set own direction on all policies. I really hope they do it this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Jared O'Mara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Bercow just flamed Peter Bone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, Cade said: Boris loses majority just by threatening to withdraw the whip. If he loses tonight and does withdraw the whip, he'll have an even smaller minority and unable to do shite-all in Parliament. But he may not be able to force a general Election to rebuild his numbers. Best thing about all of this is that May had a working majority and called a snap election because the Mail and Express said she'd score a three figure landslide! I wish she had as I truly believe she wanted a super soft Brexit and that sort of majority meant she could marginalise the ERG and hard brexiteers. Instead she had to pander to them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 37 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Yes Farage and the DUP have pushed them that way. But they also are going the way they want. I honestly don’t believe most Conservative MP’s want a hard brexit with no deal. A core of circa 100 do but the rest would rather have had a deal and an orderly exit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Soames confirms he will vote against no-deal Brexit. Pleasing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Win Win for Boris. Lose an election and he is the man who promised Brexit but was denied by parliament. Leaving the shambles for someone else to sort. Win and he’ll do it and we’ll all pay for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Peter Bone being a total ***** as per. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: Sound like this time it could be for real. They will be loosely aligned in that they would both be conservative in nature but they would not take direction from WM and would set own direction on all policies. I really hope they do it this time. That's not that different from other countries. You have the CSU in Bavaria aligned with the German CDU. In Canada you have federal and provincial parties with their own independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 17 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: With the DUP they had a majority until MPs decided to go into business for themselves. Yeah Till they didn't support and vote for May's deal.. Causing us still to be in EU and giving great encouragement to those seeking to stop Brexit. Madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, Victorian said: Bercow just flamed Peter Bone. Emergency debate is agreed. Starts in about 5 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AlimOzturk Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, Zlatanable said: Whatever your politics, this is a big UK politics, popcorn moment, probably the biggest in my adult life. It truly is gripping which makes it all the more worrying. When things become this tense you know shit is real Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 How many Tories are needed to vote against the Government now? Clarke, Grieve, Hammond, Stewart, Greening, Lidington are the ones I know who will defo vote against the Government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Cruyff Turn said: How many Tories are needed to vote against the Government now? Clarke, Grieve, Hammond, Stewart, Greening, Lidington are the ones I know who will defo vote against the Government. If it's below 15 then Boris has a fighting chance tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 I have to say that was a very good speech by Corbyn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: I think Leftwin is speaking and responding well. Letwin. Yes, agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cade Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) Kenny Clarke tricks Moggy into admitting that he's been PLANNING to go to WTO rules. Not bluffing the EU into a new deal after all Edited September 3, 2019 by Cade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) There's been several examples given in last day of Tory actions and statements helping opponents to dig in even more. They are not learning the lesson. Edited September 3, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Get it, Bercow! Don't take JRM's pish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) So Mogg in polite terms has criticised the Speaker's impartiality. Just been slapped down by Bercow. In my humble opinion Mogg is out of his depth. BoJo picked him though. Edited September 3, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) Catching myself for actually sitting through this. Edited September 3, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Tories in open civil war. Opposition benches just have to sit there and watch them tear each other to pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Who's next at the box. Farage? Embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Just now, ri Alban said: Who's next at the box. Farage? Embarrassing. The key thing to watch is and count the number of Tories speaking in favour of the motion and so against the Government. Farage is too busy earning money from the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Mogg still going on about this debate/ legislating being unconstitutional. Not helping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Zlatanable said: If you mean the dispatch box, I believe they have to be MPs, so not Farage. You know what I mean. And anyway, that could be l, but a month away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, Zlatanable said: I think Boris Johnson doesn't care about anyone else. A bit like Trump, he just gets people in and waits till they self-destruct. Just picked Mogg as Leader of Commons for a laugh then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Ignore the theatrics and wait to see how many Tories voluntarily end their careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 16 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: So Mogg in polite terms has criticised the Speaker's impartiality. Just been slapped down by Bercow. In my humble opinion Mogg is out of his depth. BoJo picked him though. I have to say I thought this was a fairly masterful performance from JRM. He’s a Baffoon but whatever they chuck at him he had a smooth response particularly on the procedural issues. He is quite hypnotic to watch, almost literally like a snake . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: I have to say I thought this was a fairly masterful performance from JRM. He’s a Baffoon but whatever they chuck at him he had a smooth response particularly on the procedural issues. He is quite hypnotic to watch, almost literally like a snake . He is brilliantly polite. He deserves a knighthood for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: Ignore the theatrics and wait to see how many Tories voluntarily end their careers. Here's a list of possibilities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49563357 What's interesting of course is that Hoey and a small clutch of Labour MPs will probably vote against the bill yet won't be faced with deselection from their party. And thereby you have one of the differences between the current government and other parties, even previous Tory governments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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