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5 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said:

MPs cannot pass binding primary legislation without the consent of ministers which they will not get.

The Prime Minister will be well within his rights to refuse royal consent which I expect him to.

If you don't like it then call a vote of no confidence.

Won't be Scotland's problem for much longer, so enjoy it while you can.

 

 

Tick Tock!!!

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3 hours ago, dobmisterdobster said:

MPs cannot pass binding primary legislation without the consent of ministers which they will not get.

The Prime Minister will be well within his rights to refuse royal consent which I expect him to.

If you don't like it then call a vote of no confidence.

 

Correct, and I'd expect any bills to run out of time due to filibustering in any case.

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On 31/08/2019 at 08:33, Pans Jambo said:

Brexit will mean asking the USA for a trade deal and opening up our NHS to Trump and the American corporate pharma businesses (he already said so on live TV). Well done tories. 

 

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I don’t know where the figures in this came from or how accurate, but i’d tell you what, if anyone is prescribed anything other than a run of the mill medicine, i’d be hitting your GP late Sep early Oct and asking for a large supply 

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4 minutes ago, DarthVodka said:

 

I don’t know where the figures in this came from or how accurate, but i’d tell you what, if anyone is prescribed anything other than a run of the mill medicine, i’d be hitting your GP late Sep early Oct and asking for a large supply 

Bollocks and scaremongering...I own a pharmacy ... all drugs mainly come from India and any price change will depend on the strength of the pound against the dollar...oh and I am a remainer

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12 minutes ago, pharmaceutical01 said:

Bollocks and scaremongering...I own a pharmacy ... all drugs mainly come from India and any price change will depend on the strength of the pound against the dollar...oh and I am a remainer

And do we have a trade deal with India??? Or anyone???

If the NHS is given away in a trade deal with the USA will the American pharma companies be OK with medicines being sourced from India? Unless the USA pharma companies actually manufacture in India (which wouldnt surprise me) but in any case, I think the figures above relate to what the typical charges are in the states compared to here currently. 

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1 minute ago, Pans Jambo said:

And do we have a trade deal with India??? Or anyone???

If the NHS is given away in a trade deal with the USA will the American pharma companies be OK with medicines being sourced from India? Unless the USA pharma companies actually manufacture in India (which wouldnt surprise me) but in any case, I think the figures above relate to what the typical charges are in the states compared to here currently. 

None of these drugs baring about two are prescribed over here - most of brands while all prescriptions here are done generically 

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43 minutes ago, pharmaceutical01 said:

Bollocks and scaremongering...I own a pharmacy ... all drugs mainly come from India and any price change will depend on the strength of the pound against the dollar...oh and I am a remainer

I work with large pharma, I can say that these companies are taking this seriously. Price wise - I don’t know if that will affect anything but import wise it could cause supply issues especially on more specialised products.  A lot of the companies that are using uk depots to supply Europe are already shifted 

 

edit - agree most of that list is baws, and will be made in India

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Francis Albert

Jon Snow was criticised for describing a pro-Brexit rally as containing more white people than he had seen in a crowd before. All the pictures I have seen of the outraged remainers in recent demos have been overwhelmingly white.

Maybe some people have better things to do.

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9 hours ago, pharmaceutical01 said:

None of these drugs baring about two are prescribed over here - most of brands while all prescriptions here are done generically 

Thats fair enough but the point about American pharma getting access to the NHS would likely change that in future no?

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11 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Thats fair enough but the point about American pharma getting access to the NHS would likely change that in future no?

Can the US sue The Scottish Government, if after a trade deal has been struck and we have the  ban on GM foods/crops and chlorine Chicken? 

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13 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Can the US sue The Scottish Government, if after a trade deal has been struck and we have the  ban on GM foods/crops and chlorine Chicken? 

 

I doubt it, there's plenty of uninformed scaremongering about agritech in the States too.

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2 minutes ago, Cade said:

Leaked Government report states that there is currently no workable alternative to the Irish Backstop.

 

:greggy:

And... ..

 

'That's defeatist.  We are Britain, we can do anything we want.  Come on'

 

Love.

 

Boris.

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pharmaceutical01

Yes I agree that Americanisation of the NHS has already started with using private hospitals for nhs procedures and the rise of online pharmacies...I fear it will only get worse

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49 minutes ago, pharmaceutical01 said:

Yes I agree that Americanisation of the NHS has already started with using private hospitals for nhs procedures and the rise of online pharmacies...I fear it will only get worse

Why is that "Americanisation" and not just simple home grown privatisation?

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So the latest is, Tory MPs thinking of voting against the latest no deal have been threatened with expulsion from the party if they do vote against.

Insane. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Boab said:

So the latest is, Tory MPs thinking of voting against the latest no deal have been threatened with expulsion from the party if they do vote against.

Insane. 

 

If they vote to give Jeremy Corbyn control of the order paper, that's basically a vote of no confidence in the government.

If Tory MPs don't have confidence in their own government then they won't be Tory MPs any longer.

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1 minute ago, dobmisterdobster said:

If they vote to give Jeremy Corbyn control of the order paper, that's basically a vote of no confidence in the government.

If Tory MPs don't have confidence in their own government then they won't be Tory MPs any longer.

 Not how I read the word democracy in a dictionary but that’s politics I suppose.

 

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11 minutes ago, Boab said:

So the latest is, Tory MPs thinking of voting against the latest no deal have been threatened with expulsion from the party if they do vote against.

Insane. 

 

Johnson using bulling tactics.

I don’t believe it.

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TTIP or it's new equivalent is being aggressively pursued by the EU.

Just to balance the scaremongering about US trade deals and backdoor privatisation of the NHS.

 

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Half of the cabinet, including Boris himself, voted against the government multiple times during the last year.

 

Should they all be thrown out of the party too?

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3 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Can the US sue The Scottish Government, if after a trade deal has been struck and we have the  ban on GM foods/crops and chlorine Chicken? 

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36 minutes ago, jake said:

TTIP or it's new equivalent is being aggressively pursued by the EU.

Just to balance the scaremongering about US trade deals and backdoor privatisation of the NHS.

 

Scaremongering's a great word isnt it?

 

Unless its anything to do with Scottish Independence then its all true!

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15 hours ago, DarthVodka said:

 

I don’t know where the figures in this came from or how accurate, but i’d tell you what, if anyone is prescribed anything other than a run of the mill medicine, i’d be hitting your GP late Sep early Oct and asking for a large supply 

We prescribe generics, so would not be affected.

Most of our meds are non US sourced anyway much cheaper and that will not cease.

Our US imports are already minimal due to the price issue- and unless the US slashes its prices it wont get access- its the price that is the blocker to their access and that would remain

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14 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

Jon Snow was criticised for describing a pro-Brexit rally as containing more white people than he had seen in a crowd before. All the pictures I have seen of the outraged remainers in recent demos have been overwhelmingly white.

Maybe some people have better things to do.

C4 and bbc 2 newsnight are an absolute joy to watch.

Folk slag of RT as well.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Cade said:

Half of the cabinet, including Boris himself, voted against the government multiple times during the last year.

 

Should they all be thrown out of the party too?

How can you tell a politician is being hypocritical....

 

Their mouth is open and words are coming out.

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Brighton Jambo

If there is a general election that could be the end of Labour as a major political party.  Given the GE will be based on Brexit lines anyone who wants to leave will either vote Tory or Brexit party.  Anyone who wants to remain will vote Lib Dem.  No matter what Labour campaign on I don't think people will trust their position on Brexit, that's assuming they even have a coherent plan which they haven't managed so far.  The Lib Dems have been clear and consistent in their views.  SNP will clean up in Scotland again depriving Labour of any seats.  Add the Corbyn  factor into the mix and this could be a car crash of epic proportions.  At the last general lection he deflected the Brexit scrutiny by talking about domestic issues, he wont get away with that this time.

 

Blair can see what's coming but of course they will ignore him!

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5 hours ago, jake said:

TTIP or it's new equivalent is being aggressively pursued by the EU.

Just to balance the scaremongering about US trade deals and backdoor privatisation of the NHS.

 

 

Yet the old TTIP was vetoed by at least one eu member state. Taking back control and all that...

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Boris could promise a General Election before 31st Oct, get Parliament to vote for that then move the date to after Brexit.

 

Rules are no longer to be stuck to.

The law is only an inconvenience.

Black is white.

 

Reports from the Cabinet meeting today reads like a game of chicken.

"The EU will only cave in to all our demands if they see that No Deal is the only option".

They actually think that if we're left with No Deal as the only way to go, then the EU will come up with a whole new agreement in a week.

It's complete delusion.

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I actually like Corbyn, I think his philosophy is spot on, a proper Socialist and I think he’d create a fairer society.

 

But he has absolutely no chance of winning an election. He’s not a leader. 

 

If the Tories are going to get rid off all the remainers and put up pro Brexit candidates and if the Brexit Party stands down as a result, they will clean up in England, a 20 odd seat majority, easy. 

 

The SNP will clean up in Scotland with a few Lib Dem MP’s.

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Montgomery Brewster
2 hours ago, DETTY29 said:

How can you tell a politician is being hypocritical....

 

Their mouth is open and words are coming out.

A play on the old adage ‘ how can you tell a politician is lying - their lips are moving’

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12 minutes ago, Montgomery Brewster said:

A play on the old adage ‘ how can you tell a politician is lying - their lips are moving’

Yip.

 

And this is across all parties, it's rudicilous how they lie, but journalusts aren't allowed to tell them they are when they are...

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58 minutes ago, Boris said:

 

Yet the old TTIP was vetoed by at least one eu member state. Taking back control and all that...

We have more chance avoiding TTIP out of Europe.

Whatever you think of this deal that's a given.

Right now the EU and Ttip mark 2 are having this driven by corporate lobbyists.

The probability is Tory government will execute something similar.

But to say that the NHS will be safer from this type of corporate takeover if we remain is just plain lies .

 

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2 minutes ago, Boris said:

 

????

 

your link didn’t really say anything? 

 

Im with you that ttip is flawed/suspicious whatever. Do you really think a uk/us trade deal under BJ would be better????

No.

But I do think that less government or less powerful government means we can still chuck stones at them.

 

Wished I could remember the right Scottish saying for that.

 

I'm having bother sharing links.

Will try again

 

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Tories will be obliterated in Scotland. Brexit party and liberal Democrats will win a lot of seats. 

 

Will be a very interesting GE 

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Just now, JackLadd said:

Bojo about to cave in to remoaners?

How I see it... they know a no deal Brexit will be utterly devastating to the UK economy. England will vote BoJo back in to power.. no deal Brexit, disaster, can't blame him as it was the people who voted for it...

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