Mikey1874 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 **Public Information Bulletin** Something called Article 24 apparently allows trade without tariffs pending formal agreements. But... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 On 01/03/2019 at 10:52, Mikey1874 said: Meantime it's good to see we still have money to burn. What could £33 million buy? £33m? About four more leaflet drops of Remain propaganda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Andrew Marr show has Liam Fox on to talk about the future trade relationship with the EU and world. A fairly minor Labour shadow cabinet member on to talk about anti-semitism. Tony Blair on to be anti-Labour leadership. Says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Andrew Marr should have been sacked when he took out that injunction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said: Andrew Marr should have been sacked when he took out that injunction. Or after his aggressive, rank bullying of Shami Chakrabarti on his show a few months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 20 hours ago, Francis Albert said: £33m? About four more leaflet drops of Remain propaganda. Wonder how many leaflets could we buy with the damage that Brexit has done to the economy already.... Bit more than 4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, Costanza said: Wonder how many leaflets could we buy with the damage that Brexit has done to the economy already.... Bit more than 4? So far the UK economy has done pretty well since the Brexit vote, certainly a lot better than Project Fear predicted. How are you measuring the damage done already? Other than through ongoing Project Fear efforts? Meanwhile Italy and Germany teeter on the brink of recession and mass unemployment remains endemic in much of Southern Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 And nearly 3 years on we still await the emergency budget we were told (lied to about?) would be needed the day after a Leave vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 20 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: And nearly 3 years on we still await the emergency budget we were told (lied to about?) would be needed the day after a Leave vote. No joke but I suppose we'll soon find out to what extent the least well off will bear the lion's share of the cost. There may be an eye catching 'increase' in personal taxation for higher rate payers... but that's already been mitigated against via the recent top-end broadening of the basic rate band. What was it again? An effective £800 break? They'll take a bit back and more from the basic rate payers. Probably give a bit back to the better off via another tweak to stamp duty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 How could the Chancellor do an emergency budget before knowing the terms of the deal (or no deal). FFS try critical thinking once in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Cade said: How could the Chancellor do an emergency budget before knowing the terms of the deal (or no deal). FFS try critical thinking once in a while. Just in case you missed it, from 15 June 2016. Speaking on a platform with former Chancellor Alistair Darling on Wednesday, George Osborne warned that a vote to leave the European Union would mean there would have to be an emergency budget. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36541607 Edited March 3, 2019 by Jambo-Jimbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Quite a few commentators are predicting the Deal will be passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 16th Jan: May's deal rejected by 432 to 202, a majority of 230 in the biggest Commons defeat in history. Nothing in the deal changes. 12th March: Parliament vote FOR the same deal?! That'd be some turnaround. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cade said: 16th Jan: May's deal rejected by 432 to 202, a majority of 230 in the biggest Commons defeat in history. Nothing in the deal changes. 12th March: Parliament vote FOR the same deal?! That'd be some turnaround. It becomes a case of what is the lesser evil (from the point of view of Brexiteers) - they’ll be scared of a delay and very worried about the threat of a second referendum. It might just pass, which would be absolutely staggering. as I said earlier, that’s what I want to happen now. Got to draw a line under this shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Think the plan will pass as nobody wants a GE (well tories and labour don't) and that is the only logical thing to happen if all deals are voted down (including no deal) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 And all for no changes to anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 (edited) Yes it's been clear for a while that the strategy was to run down the clock while scaring / extorting various factions in various ways into voting for the deal as a least worse option. There have also been a few people bribed with promises of ermine. Edited March 3, 2019 by Victorian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Remember when the PM herself said "No Deal is better than a Bad Deal?" She's not saying that now, is she? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, Victorian said: Yes it's been clear for a while that the strategy was to run down the clock while scaring / extorting various factions in various ways into voting for the deal as a least worse option. There have also been a few people bribed with promises of ermine. Scaring? Like Project Fear? It was widely predicted after the vote (nearly three years ago) that the pound would plummet to parity with the Euro or even the dollar. The strategy of Remainers has always been clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cade said: Remember when the PM herself said "No Deal is better than a Bad Deal?" She's not saying that now, is she? Why on earth should she be? She was right then and she is right now. I think she will get a deal. And I sense Remainers sense that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sausage Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 So May is now bribing Leave areas with money post-Leave. What a scandal. The very same idiots who got us into this mess, are now being given a handout to get May over the line. Absolutely scandalous behaviour. Heard that some commentators believe May’s bill will pass next week as the ERG see her deal as preferable to the otherwise impending second referendum. If it pans out, May will have rewritten how you manage cluster****s like this. Just ignore everyone, ride it out and burn as much time as possible. One of of the most aggravating bits in all of this (aside from the Tory internal politics which are dragging our country into a recession) is the sheer inability of Labour to do anything about it. Corbyn will go down in history as being the worst opposition leader in history, alongside May as the worst prime minister. It is a completely bonkers situation. Corbyn is invincible as Labour leader because the Labour membership is fully behind him. However, he’s also completely unelectable as witnessed in 2017. So the opposition are completely impotent. Meanwhile, May is clinging on to power however she can and doing her best to stop the Conservative party from splitting down the middle. **** knows how this pans out, but a party in the centre (that isn’t the embarrassingly pointless Lib Dem’s) seems critical because I can’t see either blue or red coming closer to the centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Captain Sausage said: So May is now bribing Leave areas with money post-Leave. What a scandal. The very same idiots who got us into this mess, are now being given a handout to get May over the line. Absolutely scandalous behaviour. Heard that some commentators believe May’s bill will pass next week as the ERG see her deal as preferable to the otherwise impending second referendum. If it pans out, May will have rewritten how you manage cluster****s like this. Just ignore everyone, ride it out and burn as much time as possible. One of of the most aggravating bits in all of this (aside from the Tory internal politics which are dragging our country into a recession) is the sheer inability of Labour to do anything about it. Corbyn will go down in history as being the worst opposition leader in history, alongside May as the worst prime minister. It is a completely bonkers situation. Corbyn is invincible as Labour leader because the Labour membership is fully behind him. However, he’s also completely unelectable as witnessed in 2017. So the opposition are completely impotent. Meanwhile, May is clinging on to power however she can and doing her best to stop the Conservative party from splitting down the middle. **** knows how this pans out, but a party in the centre (that isn’t the embarrassingly pointless Lib Dem’s) seems critical because I can’t see either blue or red coming closer to the centre. I share your ire but it's a misguided falacy to say that the opposition are partly responsible for failing to provide whatever was required to prevent May's strategy. The actual failing is in the way parliament is structured and the ways that house business is convened and controlled. Even a very good opposition would find it almost impossible to prevent the government from conducting their virtual dictatorship regarding Brexit. Labour have split views amongst the PLP so could never really have united to oppose May, even with another leader. The weaknesses in parliamentary process and proceedures have been brutally exposed and expoited to the full to frustrate parliament from steering in another direction. Edited March 4, 2019 by Victorian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 There seems to be a possibility there will be no Barnett Formula consequential funding as a result of May's slimy bribe to 'deprived areas'. Then again... most of Scotland voted remain. This funding is a golden noose around the necks of MPs in leave seats. Reverse extortion. Without a consequential, Scottish taxpayers have the pleasure of subsidising this latest atrocity of democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Using taxpayers' money to fund a scheme to force MPs into self-interest at the expense of a conscience choice. Are people prepared to accept that as normal, acceptable governance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 5 hours ago, Victorian said: There seems to be a possibility there will be no Barnett Formula consequential funding as a result of May's slimy bribe to 'deprived areas'. Then again... most of Scotland voted remain. This funding is a golden noose around the necks of MPs in leave seats. Reverse extortion. Without a consequential, Scottish taxpayers have the pleasure of subsidising this latest atrocity of democracy. Agree with this. The country that wants to remain subsidises England and helps bribe the protestant extremists over the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said: Agree with this. The country that wants to remain subsidises England and helps bribe the protestant extremists over the water. That'll be our punishment then! Still, better together and all that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Boris said: That'll be our punishment then! Still, better together and all that... Better together. The slogan that represents every single response from the PM to anything said by any SNP MP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Victorian said: Better together. The slogan that represents every single response from the PM to anything said by any SNP MP. Quite. Our PM is morally and intellectually bankrupt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Attorney General tries to claim that the NI backstop would be a breach of NI citizen's human rights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Krankie gone yet ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 51 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Krankie gone yet ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Cade said: Attorney General tries to claim that the NI backstop would be a breach of NI citizen's human rights His argument is that NI would be retained within the customs union but without representation in Parliament or institutions, thus violating ECHR. Absolutely mental argument considering they (the UK Gov) agreed to this deal and the backstop last year, now all of a sudden it's a human rights violation? Come on! Can you imagine if the deal had been passed in the commons and at this stage, a remainer stood up and made the same argument? They're getting increasingly desperate. Edited March 7, 2019 by Toggie88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Toggie88 said: His argument is that NI would be retained within the customs union but without representation in Parliament or institutions, thus violating ECHR. Absolutely mental argument considering they (the UK Gov) agreed to this deal and the backstop last year, now all of a sudden it's a human rights violation? Come on! Can you imagine if the deal had been passed in the commons and at this stage, a remainer stood up and made the same argument? They're getting increasingly desperate. His argument is mistaken. You could equally say leaving the EU breaches the human rights of the people of N.Ireland. Idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 EU are (once again) mystified and furious at today's shambles. Instead of trying to find a workable proposal, we're instead trying to claim that the deal as it stands is illegal under EU law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 The government have zero credibility and no morals. It really makes it incredible that there's no decent opposition to take them to task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 On 03/03/2019 at 22:04, Cade said: Remember when the PM herself said "No Deal is better than a Bad Deal?" She's not saying that now, is she? That's because she thinks her WA is a good deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mysterion said: The government have zero credibility and no morals. It really makes it incredible that there's no decent opposition to take them to task. That's because they have zero credibility and no morals as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Staggering number of pro Brexit roasters in Question Time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Not looking good. But what will actually happen now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 https://interactive.news.sky.com/2017/brexit-countdown/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 8 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Staggering number of pro Brexit roasters in Question Time Stopped watching it since the Scottish Debate Night programme started. Much better imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 9 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Staggering number of pro Brexit roasters in Question Time Probably just a reflection of where it was broadcast from. Dudley I believe. l live in a strongly remain area (South West Oxfordshire) and work in a 55% Leave area (Swindon). I personally voted Remain after some swithering. A lot about the EU annoys me - corrupt, wasteful and run by fat cat wankers like Jean- Claude Junker but you can only change it from within and in life you’re generally better off inside the tent pissing out than outside pissing in. We’re now into Fergie’s squeaky bum time and the next 3 weeks will be interesting. My money’s on a delay to kick the can down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Jezza Hunt claiming that future generations will blame the EU for the failure in the exit talks. Nothing to do with the utter shambles in Westminster, contradictory red lines, shifting positions and general feckwittery on show on the UK side of things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 25 minutes ago, Cade said: Jezza Hunt claiming that future generations will blame the EU for the failure in the exit talks. Nothing to do with the utter shambles in Westminster, contradictory red lines, shifting positions and general feckwittery on show on the UK side of things? Everybody's else's fault. Sounds familiar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 May. "Brexit may never happen at all" if MPs reject her deal. Utterly desperate. Project Terrify in full swing. The endgame dog-eat-dog pagger about to begin in earnest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Cade said: Jezza Hunt claiming that future generations will blame the EU for the failure in the exit talks. Nothing to do with the utter shambles in Westminster, contradictory red lines, shifting positions and general feckwittery on show on the UK side of things? Hahaha - so May who came back with her deal, all triumphant, only for it to be shot down in Parliament, now blames the EU for the nick of it! Unbelievable, actually, that's the wrong word. Highly believable! And Hunt is such a creep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, Boris said: And Hunt is such a creep. He makes my skin crawl. Would have his wife round for cheese and biscuits though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 The worst prime minister in history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 18 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: The worst prime minister in history Pretty much. Worst cabinet, too. And the less said about labour and lib dems, the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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