ri Alban Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 (edited) Wishing ill on Leave voters is pretty shite, everyone is gonnae take a boot in the baws here. Well everyone except Boris and his like, plus all MPs, and Scottish, Welsh and NI devolved diddies masquerading as someone important. The also rans are fecked. But no doubt the people will just turn on each other, rather than the ***** who did it. Worked from behind by Boris and his chums in the media. Edited August 11, 2021 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 1 hour ago, HartleyLegend3 said: This is getting so exciting.. Reading the comments below, Get ready for your Council tax to sky rocket.. Brexit, the gift that keeps giving. A mate of mine works on logistics for a big company who deliver in EU and UK. He told me his company is losing drivers ,just a few so far , but he knows one company who lost 1/3 of its drivers and said trying to get agency drivers is a mare. They are demanding and getting £18 an hour , industry rate is £14. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldChampions1902 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 38 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Wishing ill on Leave voters is pretty shite, everyone is gonnae take a boot in the baws here. Well everyone except Boris and his like, plus all MPs, and Scottish, Welsh and NI devolved diddies masquerading as someone important. The also rans are fecked. But no doubt the people will just turn on each other, rather than the ***** who did it. Worked from behind by Boris and his chums in the media. For the record, I only wish ill on Leave voters that stubbornly refuse to accept Project Reality. As someone living in Shropshire close to the Welsh border, such people are surprisingly abundant (still). But you are quite correct - we are all screwed and I totally agree that the ‘masterplan’ now is to blame Remainers and the EU for everything whilst cultivating a hostile relationship between Leavers and Remainers to distract from the real culprits in this debacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 14 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said: For the record, I only wish ill on Leave voters that stubbornly refuse to accept Project Reality. As someone living in Shropshire close to the Welsh border, such people are surprisingly abundant (still). But you are quite correct - we are all screwed and I totally agree that the ‘masterplan’ now is to blame Remainers and the EU for everything whilst cultivating a hostile relationship between Leavers and Remainers to distract from the real culprits in this debacle. The master plan now is all the Leave mouthpieces telling us it could be perfect if only the EU would stop defending itself against yet more English exceptionalism and to blame the EU for the utter shit show it was predicted to be. Dom Cummings , the liar in chief for Leave is a case in point - his recent tweets are pure revisionism and a blame culture that somehow it's all the fault of Remainers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 40 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said: A mate of mine works on logistics for a big company who deliver in EU and UK. He told me his company is losing drivers ,just a few so far , but he knows one company who lost 1/3 of its drivers and said trying to get agency drivers is a mare. They are demanding and getting £18 an hour , industry rate is £14. Driver shortages is a European wide problem. Germany in particular . I think I read somewhere in the region of 30,000 drivers had left the profession. It was once a decent paid job. Maybe now it will be more valued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Ked said: Driver shortages is a European wide problem. Germany in particular . I think I read somewhere in the region of 30,000 drivers had left the profession. It was once a decent paid job. Maybe now it will be more valued. If I was a young man again I'd consider doing it and quickly. There's contracts being handed out for over £60k+ pa minimum right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Just now, pablo said: If I was a young man again I'd consider doing it and quickly. There's contracts being handed out for over £60k+ pa minimum right now. Not for me . But for a long time it wasnt well paid. I get tired driving and I never enjoy it I used to but the roads are just horrible now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, Ked said: Not for me . But for a long time it wasnt well paid. I get tired driving and I never enjoy it I used to but the roads are just horrible now. No, me neither. But if I was in my 20s and wasn't University educated. Earning over £60k for driving a truck would be tempting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 3 hours ago, Ked said: Driver shortages is a European wide problem. Germany in particular . I think I read somewhere in the region of 30,000 drivers had left the profession. It was once a decent paid job. Maybe now it will be more valued. £35 an hour is not bad money. A lot of drivers have retired, found other jobs during the pandemic and a good few thousand have fecked off back home because of the shite they were put through by Brexit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 3 hours ago, pablo said: If I was a young man again I'd consider doing it and quickly. There's contracts being handed out for over £60k+ pa minimum right now. I nearly went for it myself. But I think I might be too old to start jumping about in a big feck off truck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Just now, ri Alban said: £35 an hour is not bad money. A lot of drivers have retired, found other jobs during the pandemic and a good few thousand have fecked off back home because of the shite they were put through by Brexit. It wasnt so long ago the money was poor . Anyway I was just pointing out it seems to be a problem across the continent . Whether brexit has had an impact on the shortage here is maybe true. It's good for the drivers it seems if they are drawing a good wage. Swings and roundabouts . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 The main problem with the haulage industry in the UK is that EU hauliers are often preferring to return to the EU with empty lorries as it makes their trip much faster. Not having to sit in queues for ages in Dover and fill out countless forms and go through inspections when exporting stuff. They'd rather get their drivers back home quicker and get on to another job than feck about carryings goods over the channel. So, UK-based hauliers are having to do all the exporting themselves, which is why there is such demand for drivers right now. In the worker's market we have, wages are going up. And the cost of that will be passed on to the consumer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Cade said: The main problem with the haulage industry in the UK is that EU hauliers are often preferring to return to the EU with empty lorries as it makes their trip much faster. Not having to sit in queues for ages in Dover and fill out countless forms and go through inspections when exporting stuff. They'd rather get their drivers back home quicker and get on to another job than feck about carryings goods over the channel. So, UK-based hauliers are having to do all the exporting themselves, which is why there is such demand for drivers right now. In the worker's market we have, wages are going up. And the cost of that will be passed on to the consumer. So are you saying people shouldnt get a good wage ? Not disagreeing with your summing up of what's happening but drivers wages up until recently were not great. I just feel a bit uncomfortable when people want cheap Labour so they can get cheap goods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Ked said: So are you saying people shouldnt get a good wage ? Not disagreeing with your summing up of what's happening but drivers wages up until recently were not great. I just feel a bit uncomfortable when people want cheap Labour so they can get cheap goods. Not at all, a high wage economy is a god thing, but it always leads to inflation. Luckily, interest rates being at historic lows gives us plenty headroom to combat that. Edited August 11, 2021 by Cade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 1 hour ago, ri Alban said: I nearly went for it myself. But I think I might be too old to start jumping about in a big feck off truck. Was involved in a discussion today mate, where we were looking at what we do about the impact of this, blah blah blah. Anyway, there's a well known fmcg dairy company taking on drivers with a sign-on bonus of £5k and a salary of around £70k. Go for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Vince Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 8 hours ago, WorldChampions1902 said: I totally agree that the ‘masterplan’ now is to blame Remainers and the EU for everything whilst cultivating a hostile relationship between Leavers and Remainers to distract from the real culprits in this debacle. The British State is second to none in this department so expect a well polished job that is perfectly executed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Savage Vince said: The British State is second to none in this department so expect a well polished job that is perfectly executed. Is it ? Certainly doesnt seem so just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HartleyLegend3 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 It's all Europe's fault.. 🤬🤬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 I see Boris tried to sack the chancellor. And got telt. The chancellor will be the PM very soon, and think he might put a stop to all this fecking about with the eu and put proper business dealings in place, like an adult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HartleyLegend3 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 It's a death cult. Rather se the UK break up and people starving in the streets than admit they were wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, Cade said: It's a death cult. Rather se the UK break up and people starving in the streets than admit they were wrong. This is an interesting article. From an English perspective too.. https://bylinetimes.com/2021/06/22/scotland-must-become-independent-to-end-the-corruption-of-our-great-british-state/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WorldChampions1902 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 11 hours ago, HartleyLegend3 said: It will be NOTHING to do with Brexit and EVERYTHING to do with the ‘Pingdemic’. Thought I would get that in before the usual ‘Brexit Deniers’ arrive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 54 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said: It will be NOTHING to do with Brexit and EVERYTHING to do with the ‘Pingdemic’. Thought I would get that in before the usual ‘Brexit Deniers’ arrive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT1959 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 21 hours ago, HartleyLegend3 said: Oh, it will get a lot worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ked Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58186519 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 Awwwwww are the poor wee leavers feeling picked on because they've made the biggest error in history? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Cade said: Awwwwww are the poor wee leavers feeling picked on because they've made the biggest error in history? I just thought it was an interesting take on it. I doubt many of the voters mentioned care that much. I suppose even on here the debates around covid and Scottish independence seem to end up not being debates but more name calling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Ked said: I just thought it was an interesting take on it. I doubt many of the voters mentioned care that much. I suppose even on here the debates around covid and Scottish independence seem to end up not being debates but more name calling. Yeah true. All just end in bun fights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: Yeah true. All just end in bun fights It can be good to read I admit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 On 12/08/2021 at 18:43, HartleyLegend3 said: Just in the supermarket there. All I wanted was a wee bottle of water to quench ma thirst ! **** all ! Cheers, Shapps, ya prick ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jack D and coke Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 😐 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Nando's temporarily closes 50 outlets in GB due to supply problems, Outlets in Ireland (North and South) unaffected. Must be a Covid thing, since there's no Covid here, obvs. https://news.yahoo.com/nandos-shuts-restaurants-runs-short-172008059.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 So much doom and gloom on this thread, here's some good news of more Brexit dividends. This time in the form of increased exports .... for Ireland to the UK. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/17/exports-from-ireland-to-great-britain-soar-in-post-brexit-trade-imbalance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 1 hour ago, RobboM said: So much doom and gloom on this thread, here's some good news of more Brexit dividends. This time in the form of increased exports .... for Ireland to the UK. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/17/exports-from-ireland-to-great-britain-soar-in-post-brexit-trade-imbalance And the hits just keep on coming... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Ur ireland no too wee fur this kinda hing?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 I still can't believe anyone was so outrageously stupid that they thought this would be a good idea 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Taffin said: I still can't believe anyone was so outrageously stupid that they thought this would be a good idea 😂 A wise* man once said "never underestimate the stupidity of people" *they may not have been wise or a man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 (edited) . Edited August 18, 2021 by Ray Gin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 57 minutes ago, Taffin said: I still can't believe anyone was so outrageously stupid that they thought this would be a good idea 😂 I think the referendum happened at a perfect storm time - we had the migrant crisis from Syria, Afghanistan and North Africa, with daily reports of more migrants and refugees turning up in Europe, we had a Labour Party with a weak leadership whose leader and a fair section of the party were not particularly pro-EU, perhaps from a workers anti-capitalist point of view, and we had noise about Turkey joining the EU (it won't be joining for a long, long time, if ever). A combination of fear and nationalism did the rest. I honestly believe that if the referendum had taken place before the migrant crisis in particular, we would have seen Brexit rejected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, redjambo said: I think the referendum happened at a perfect storm time - we had the migrant crisis from Syria, Afghanistan and North Africa, with daily reports of more migrants and refugees turning up in Europe, we had a Labour Party with a weak leadership whose leader and a fair section of the party were not particularly pro-EU, perhaps from a workers anti-capitalist point of view, and we had noise about Turkey joining the EU (it won't be joining for a long, long time, if ever). A combination of fear and nationalism did the rest. I honestly believe that if the referendum had taken place before the migrant crisis in particular, we would have seen Brexit rejected. Excellent post. We also avoided having a proper immigration debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HartleyLegend3 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 I know someone who won't be in the honours list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 https://www.standard.co.uk/business/city-london-brexit-exodus-jobs-b951408.html Good News for all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 On 18/08/2021 at 10:44, redjambo said: I think the referendum happened at a perfect storm time - we had the migrant crisis from Syria, Afghanistan and North Africa, with daily reports of more migrants and refugees turning up in Europe, we had a Labour Party with a weak leadership whose leader and a fair section of the party were not particularly pro-EU, perhaps from a workers anti-capitalist point of view, and we had noise about Turkey joining the EU (it won't be joining for a long, long time, if ever). A combination of fear and nationalism did the rest. I honestly believe that if the referendum had taken place before the migrant crisis in particular, we would have seen Brexit rejected. Absolutely and it's a result of anyone daring to mention the word immigration automatically being labelled a racist so therefore there is never any real grown up debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 How do we support an ageing population and ever-increasing "triple locked" pensions? Increasing taxes by tons for those of working age? Or do we try to grow the tax base? If so, do we encourage people to have lots more kids then wait 16-20 years for these kids to grow up and get jobs and start paying taxes? Considering the cost of raising a child in the UK at the moment that seems unfeasible. Or do we bring in people from outside who can instantly start work and contribute from day 1? Outsiders living and working here don't qualify for most benefits so they end up contributing more in taxation than they receive from the public purse. UK natives just about break even on tax paid vs benefits received over their lifetimes. But they're the wrong colour/religion so who cares, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, Cade said: How do we support an ageing population and ever-increasing "triple locked" pensions? Increasing taxes by tons for those of working age? Or do we try to grow the tax base? If so, do we encourage people to have lots more kids then wait 16-20 years for these kids to grow up and get jobs and start paying taxes? Considering the cost of raising a child in the UK at the moment that seems unfeasible. Or do we bring in people from outside who can instantly start work and contribute from day 1? Outsiders living and working here don't qualify for most benefits so they end up contributing more in taxation than they receive from the public purse. UK natives just about break even on tax paid vs benefits received over their lifetimes. But they're the wrong colour/religion so who cares, eh? Don't have a silver bullet as an answer, however , there needs to be a grown up conversation about taxation and the closure of the multiple avoidance measures/loopholes and also ensuring multi nationals pay thier share... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 3 hours ago, SE16 3LN said: https://www.standard.co.uk/business/city-london-brexit-exodus-jobs-b951408.html Good News for all Rejoice! The million euro a year boys are staying. Huzzah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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