Brexit Deal agreed ( updated )

[Ulysses]

See, @Ked?  I'm not wrong about the shitkicking that the right just loves to give people.

[Ked]

1 minute ago, Ulysses said:

 

The right advocates cutting welfare systems and supports so as to bully and starve people into taking jobs they can't do, or that are in the wrong places, or that are underpaid and undervalued, so that employers can increase their profits.  That's no better.

No it's not.

But there are those and there are many who should learn conservative values.

And I thought I was clear on that.

I do not like the notion that we draft in cheap Labour from abroad and that some how the deal is even.

Utopian I may be but to somehow bemoan the lack of cheap Labour from those desperate enough to leave their homes but defend laziness doesnt sit right.

And no I don't suggest starving people but nor do I think feeding lazy ones to fatten them up is any better.

[Ked]

4 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Well you see, the poor in this country can get off their arses and be made to do jobs they don't want to do for wages that don't cover their outgoings, but the poor in other countries are in danger of being exploited if they come here and should be protected from that.

Eh?

Twist away but you make absolute no sense.

[Ulysses]

1 minute ago, Ked said:

No it's not.

But there are those and there are many who should learn conservative values.

And I thought I was clear on that.

I do not like the notion that we draft in cheap Labour from abroad and that some how the deal is even.

Utopian I may be but to somehow bemoan the lack of cheap Labour from those desperate enough to leave their homes but defend laziness doesnt sit right.

And no I don't suggest starving people but nor do I think feeding lazy ones to fatten them up is any better.

 

We've discussed this many times before.  "Conservative values" is code for taking a big huge smelly shite on people while paying out fortunes in corporate welfare of one kind or another, and nobody can kid me otherwise.

[Spellczech]

6 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

We've discussed this many times before.  "Conservative values" is code for taking a big huge smelly shite on people while paying out fortunes in corporate welfare of one kind or another, and nobody can kid me otherwise.

People need to see past the dogma of Left and Right. Both are very flawed. "Conservative values" are BS, just as "socialist values" are. Neither is "correct". Countries just lurch alternately from one side to the other where the one side tries to unpick at least 80% of whatever the other one did, and we move on, but don't really advance at more than snail's pace...and people look at that snail's pace and call it "stability"...

 

Argument, discussion and progess all fail as soon as people put up their walls around their "conservative" or "socialist" values. 

 

The best way to look at things is: Does it work, can it work better or differently?

Edited August 26, 2021 by Spellczech

[Ked]

3 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

We've discussed this many times before.  "Conservative values" is code for taking a big huge smelly shite on people while paying out fortunes in corporate welfare of one kind or another, and nobody can kid me otherwise.

Then tell me why the economic argument you just gave needs cheap Labour.

I'm all for those who like us can take a responsible role and carry our children and elderly.

Those who find life difficult.

Isnt it a bit rich to bring the poor in from other countries and keep them poor for cheaper strawberries?

 

8 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

See, @Ked?  I'm not wrong about the shitkicking that the right just loves to give people.

If you care to look at left wing they have kicked the absolute shit out of the poor literally.

I'm talking conservative values which is nothing to do with the thiefs in power.

They are in essence fascists.

 

[Ked]

17 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

But what is a successful economy?

That is very much a question we all need to ask.

Because the current barometer may lead to a planet unliivable.

And for billions it's not great.

 

See you I'm getting all deep.

Night night

[Ulysses]

1 minute ago, Ked said:

Then tell me why the economic argument you just gave needs cheap Labour.

I'm all for those who like us can take a responsible role and carry our children and elderly.

Those who find life difficult.

Isnt it a bit rich to bring the poor in from other countries and keep them poor for cheaper strawberries?

 

If you care to look at left wing they have kicked the absolute shit out of the poor literally.

I'm talking conservative values which is nothing to do with the thiefs in power.

They are in essence fascists.

 

 

I didn't give an economic argument.  I described how it works.  It's what happens in the real economy with real people making real choices, and I have no control over it.  If I pretend it's not happening it won't matter - it'll still happen anyway.

 

The EU isn't about exploiting the poor from other countries.  It is about reciprocal rights to live and work across the member states.  If some capitalists use that to exploit poor people, it doesn't matter whether the UK is in the EU or not.  They'll find someone else to exploit - and if they can't find anyone to exploit they'll put the squeeze on their mates in the political system to rig the game in some way so that people make themselves available.

 

Brexit won't get rid of exploitation for cheap labour in undervalued jobs - all it'll do is change the identity of the people who get dry-humped. 

[Ulysses]

8 minutes ago, Ked said:

That is very much a question we all need to ask.

Because the current barometer may lead to a planet unliivable.

And for billions it's not great.

 

See you I'm getting all deep.

Night night

 

Careful with yon getting deep business.  It can be depressing.

 

But you're not wrong.

[ri Alban]

8 hours ago, Ked said:

No it's not.

But there are those and there are many who should learn conservative values.

And I thought I was clear on that.

I do not like the notion that we draft in cheap Labour from abroad and that some how the deal is even.

Utopian I may be but to somehow bemoan the lack of cheap Labour from those desperate enough to leave their homes but defend laziness doesnt sit right.

And no I don't suggest starving people but nor do I think feeding lazy ones to fatten them up is any better.

Conservatives have no values. All *****.

[ri Alban]

8 hours ago, Ked said:

No it's not.

But there are those and there are many who should learn conservative values.

And I thought I was clear on that.

I do not like the notion that we draft in cheap Labour from abroad and that some how the deal is even.

Utopian I may be but to somehow bemoan the lack of cheap Labour from those desperate enough to leave their homes but defend laziness doesnt sit right.

And no I don't suggest starving people but nor do I think feeding lazy ones to fatten them up is any better.

And let's give these jobs to leave voters and the Story front bench. 👍 A lazier shower of shite, I've never seen.

[doctor jambo]

1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

Conservatives have no values. All *****.

The problem ri, is that Scotland should sit very well with “conservatism” in its proper sense- hard work, self reliance, family, community, but sadly that has been warped into utter greed and selfishness.

We now have labour struggling as they now no longer speak for working people- they more angle at those who Don’t work, and the tories who speak for those who exploit those who work, and the SNP who fuel division and are only interested in single agenda as apposed to what is best for everyone.

the parties have all lost their way.

[Unknown user]

10 hours ago, Ked said:

Eh?

Twist away but you make absolute no sense.

 

I'm not twisting anything.

 

You reckon the poor in this country should be made to do these shitty paid jobs that people don't want, but people from other countries should be saved from coming here to do these shitty paid, exploitative jobs.

 

Why is cheap, voluntary, immigrant labour worse than cheap, forced, native labour?

[doctor jambo]

4 hours ago, Smithee said:

 

I'm not twisting anything.

 

You reckon the poor in this country should be made to do these shitty paid jobs that people don't want, but people from other countries should be saved from coming here to do these shitty paid, exploitative jobs.

 

Why is cheap, voluntary, immigrant labour worse than cheap, forced, native labour?

There should be no need to force labour. We all have a duty to work.

if you can. There should be no min wage. Living wage only.

we all have an obligation to work to support those who cannot.

[Governor Tarkin]

16 hours ago, Ulysses said:

all it'll do is change the identity of the people who get dry-humped. 

 

 

After a while at sea that begins to look attractive.

[Ked]

13 hours ago, Smithee said:

 

I'm not twisting anything.

 

You reckon the poor in this country should be made to do these shitty paid jobs that people don't want, but people from other countries should be saved from coming here to do these shitty paid, exploitative jobs.

 

Why is cheap, voluntary, immigrant labour worse than cheap, forced, native labour?

It's not.

I just pointed out theres no shortage of labour.

Just a shortage of those desperate to do it.As an argument against Brexit it doesnt sit right 

The poor in this country mostly work.

And the middle class if they can be called that are being squeezed.

To be honest it's small potatoes .

Brexit I mean.

 

 

 

[Ulysses]

1 hour ago, Ked said:

 

I just pointed out theres no shortage of labour.

 

 

But there is a shortage of labour.  It doesn't matter how often you say there's no shortage, that simply isn't the case.  There might be in the future, if the economy slows down faster than the available labour supply, but right now if employers want workers they have to pay for them, and while that will help to cover labour gaps for the time being it will gradually weaken their competitiveness.

[Cade]

Business Secretary doubles down on hauliers needing to hire UK drivers instead of bringing in Europeans.

He claims the government is fast-tracking the HGV license path so people can re-train as lorry drivers.

Also underlines that hauliers may have to provide higher wages to entice people into the job.

Unbelievably, he then also touts the ending of Furlough and the massive unemployment that will result from that as being a good thing, as there'll be plenty of desperate people ready to work.

 

[Unknown user]

40 minutes ago, Cade said:

Business Secretary doubles down on hauliers needing to hire UK drivers instead of bringing in Europeans.

He claims the government is fast-tracking the HGV license path so people can re-train as lorry drivers.

Also underlines that hauliers may have to provide higher wages to entice people into the job.

Unbelievably, he then also touts the ending of Furlough and the massive unemployment that will result from that as being a good thing, as there'll be plenty of desperate people ready to work.

 

 

Can you take your dug with you?

[ri Alban]

Tesco shelves very empty these days.

[Ulysses]

1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

Tesco shelves very empty these days.

 

No empty shelves in my local Tesco today.

[ri Alban]

3 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

No empty shelves in my local Tesco today.

Oh really!?

 

 

[Ulysses]

1 minute ago, ri Alban said:

Oh really!?

 

 

 

Hope you enjoy your grass soup. 

[ri Alban]

Just now, Ulysses said:

 

Hope you enjoy your grass soup. 

🤣 And Rivetta. No ***** else likes them.

 

 

 

Fecking pingdemic.   ↗️(no idea what this is for and can't get rid )

[Konrad von Carstein]

Oh.

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9936697/amp/MAIL-SUNDAY-COMMENT-Lets-unite-EU-crush-curse-border-bureaucracy.html?__twitter_impression=true

[Cade]

"We're taking back control of our borders!"

 

"What do you mean, there's border controls?!"

 

[Beni]

1 hour ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

Oh.

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9936697/amp/MAIL-SUNDAY-COMMENT-Lets-unite-EU-crush-curse-border-bureaucracy.html?__twitter_impression=true

 

"In October, as the grace period agreed in the Brexit talks comes to an end, we are supposed to impose our own similar tiresome and self-harming restrictions on goods coming into this country from the EU". 

 

It's what you campaigned for, and noised up all those Gammons to vote for you lunatics.

It's almost like they hadn't thought through the actual realities of Brexit.

[The Mighty Thor]

2 hours ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

Oh.

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9936697/amp/MAIL-SUNDAY-COMMENT-Lets-unite-EU-crush-curse-border-bureaucracy.html?__twitter_impression=true

 

1 hour ago, Cade said:

"We're taking back control of our borders!"

 

"What do you mean, there's border controls?!"

 

 

1 hour ago, Beni said:

 

"In October, as the grace period agreed in the Brexit talks comes to an end, we are supposed to impose our own similar tiresome and self-harming restrictions on goods coming into this country from the EU". 

 

It's what you campaigned for, and noised up all those Gammons to vote for you lunatics.

It's almost like they hadn't thought through the actual realities of Brexit.

 

Marks & Spencer chairman you say?

 

At least its not someone with a raging self interest that's written the article. 

 

Fair play to the petty racists and xenophobes, they're still not for owning their shitshow. 

[WorldChampions1902]

12 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

 

 

 

Marks & Spencer chairman you say?

 

At least its not someone with a raging self interest that's written the article. 

 

Fair play to the petty racists and xenophobes, they're still not for owning their shitshow. 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

1 minute ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

 

In the beautiful words of Karen Carpenter 'we've only just begun'

[WorldChampions1902]

17 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

In the beautiful words of Karen Carpenter 'we've only just begun'

“white lies and promises”

[Ulysses]

5 hours ago, Cade said:

"We're taking back control of our borders!"

 

"What do you mean, there's border controls?!"

 

 

What. A. Gobshite.

 

"Bureaucratic rigidity threatens to condemn this country, and the EU itself, to a wholly needless crisis over trade between the UK and the Brussels-ruled bloc."

 

This is not true.  All 27 of us, plus our Single Market trading partners and Northern Ireland, can seamlessly trade with each other.  No bureaucracy whatsoever - it's no different to sending a truck from Edinburgh to Glasgow.  The only "crisis" is in respect of trade between the EU and the UK.  This "crisis" isn't needless.  It's really necessary.  Why?  Because if we give an outsider open access to our Single Market, we threaten its integrity - and it is worth more than 20 times the value of the trade between us and the UK.  The "crisis" hasn't been caused by bureaucracy - it's been caused by the UK deciding it wished to leave the market.  We repeatedly offered the UK a variety of methods to keep seamless and paperwork-free trade running, and the UK rejected every single proposal.

 

"Thanks to obsolete rules drawn up nearly a quarter of a century ago, when computers were still a comparatively minor feature of life, British exports to the EU are already being pointlessly hampered by multiple demands for paperwork that will mostly never be read."

 

This is also not true, and is just another way of saying the same stuff in the previous quote.  The rules are not obsolete, and the UK never regarded them as obsolete before leaving.  Even if they were, it doesn't matter.  Why?  Because the rules aren't posing problems for trade - the risk to trade has been caused by the UK's decision to leave.

 

The UK decided to leave.  That's unfortunate, but it's the UK's prerogative.  The UK has to put up with the consequences of its decision, and so do we.  We're getting on with it.  Why can't the UK?

[Cade]

Too many mouth-breathers in the UK forget that borders have two sides.

 

We've taken back control of our side of the border and handed control of the other side to the EU.

Movement across the border is subject to both sets of rules.

Edited August 29, 2021 by Cade

[Konrad von Carstein]

3 hours ago, Cade said:

Too many mouth-breathers in the UK forget that borders have two sides.

 

We've taken back control of our side of the border and handed control of the other side to the EU.

Movement across the border is subject to both sets of rules.

Takin back control of ar borders

Takin back control of ar immigration

Takin back control of ar laws

We can do this we won a wurld cup and two wurld waw-ahs

 

So much horseshit and gullibility...

Edited August 29, 2021 by Konrad von Carstein

[WorldChampions1902]

Brexit has brought no benefits, UK manufacturers say

"It’s very difficult to date for manufacturers to see any benefit from leaving," an organisation representing thousands of businesses has said.

According to Make UK, it is currently hard for manufacturers to see any advantages from leaving the EU, and the organisation warns exports to the bloc could become a permanent problem if the government does not step in.

The organisations admitted its position following a meeting it had with SNP MP Angus MacNeil. Tweeting yesterday, MacNeil said that “esentially, after their [Make UK] talking to 1000s of member businesses, no one has reported any advantages to Brexit.”

 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/brexit-benefits-uk-manufacturers-285873/

 

 

 

[Ulysses]

2 hours ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

Brexit has brought no benefits, UK manufacturers say

"It’s very difficult to date for manufacturers to see any benefit from leaving," an organisation representing thousands of businesses has said.

According to Make UK, it is currently hard for manufacturers to see any advantages from leaving the EU, and the organisation warns exports to the bloc could become a permanent problem if the government does not step in.

The organisations admitted its position following a meeting it had with SNP MP Angus MacNeil. Tweeting yesterday, MacNeil said that “esentially, after their [Make UK] talking to 1000s of member businesses, no one has reported any advantages to Brexit.”

 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/brexit-benefits-uk-manufacturers-285873/

 

 

 

 

If the government does not step in and do what? 

[WorldChampions1902]

1 hour ago, Ulysses said:

 

If the government does not step in and do what? 

Your guess is as good as mine.

 

I’m reading that to mean that perhaps they want the government to renegotiate the deal. No chance IMHO. Not in the short-term at least. Although the Lying, misogynistic, racist, flag-s******g, Eton Mess did say this in 2016……..

 

 

[Ulysses]

30 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

Your guess is as good as mine.

 

I’m reading that to mean that perhaps they want the government to renegotiate the deal. No chance IMHO. Not in the short-term at least.

 

Jaysus, really? 

 

It's like a bad comedy sketch where the little Englander can't make himself understood to the Johnny Foreigner, so he keeps shouting more loudly and more slowly in English.

[The Mighty Thor]

6 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

Jaysus, really? 

 

It's like a bad comedy sketch where the little Englander can't make himself understood to the Johnny Foreigner, so he keeps shouting more loudly and more slowly in English.

That's been Global Britain (Great nation) foreign policy for the last 100 years. 

[Cade]

Boris reckons May's Brexit deal is rubbish.

Joins a rebellion to get rid of her.

Boris takes over.

Boris re-negotiates the deal.

Claims it's the best deal in the history of the world ever.

Calls an election.
Fights it on the basis of his amazing deal. Wins a crushing landslide.

Deal is signed.

Boris instantly starts bleating about how the deal is unfair.

Boris and the other swivel eyed loons start demanding a renegotiation.

EU says no.
EU says the deal has been signed and it was even written in English and not French so the UK could understand it (top trolling there by the way).

Wheels fall off the UK supply chain during the implementation grace period, before the deal even takes effect.

Total panic in Downing St.

Edited August 30, 2021 by Cade

[JudyJudyJudy]

20 hours ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

Brexit has brought no benefits, UK manufacturers say

"It’s very difficult to date for manufacturers to see any benefit from leaving," an organisation representing thousands of businesses has said.

According to Make UK, it is currently hard for manufacturers to see any advantages from leaving the EU, and the organisation warns exports to the bloc could become a permanent problem if the government does not step in.

The organisations admitted its position following a meeting it had with SNP MP Angus MacNeil. Tweeting yesterday, MacNeil said that “esentially, after their [Make UK] talking to 1000s of member businesses, no one has reported any advantages to Brexit.”

 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/brexit-benefits-uk-manufacturers-285873/

 

 

 

Such a revelation ! 

[The Mighty Thor]

3 hours ago, Cade said:

Boris reckons May's Brexit deal is rubbish.

Joins a rebellion to get rid of her.

Boris takes over.

Boris re-negotiates the deal.

Claims it's the best deal in the history of the world ever.

Calls an election.
Fights it on the basis of his amazing deal. Wins a crushing landslide.

Deal is signed.

Boris instantly starts bleating about how the deal is unfair.

Boris and the other swivel eyed loons start demanding a renegotiation.

EU says no.
EU says the deal has been signed and it was even written in English and not French so the UK could understand it (top trolling there by the way).

Wheels fall off the UK supply chain during the implementation grace period, before the deal even takes effect.

Total panic in Downing St.

I'd suggest there's no panic at all on Downing Street. It's all going to plan. 

The cronies and the benefactors will be sniffing a serious money making wheeze in the offing.

[JudyJudyJudy]

20 hours ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

Brexit has brought no benefits, UK manufacturers say

"It’s very difficult to date for manufacturers to see any benefit from leaving," an organisation representing thousands of businesses has said.

According to Make UK, it is currently hard for manufacturers to see any advantages from leaving the EU, and the organisation warns exports to the bloc could become a permanent problem if the government does not step in.

The organisations admitted its position following a meeting it had with SNP MP Angus MacNeil. Tweeting yesterday, MacNeil said that “esentially, after their [Make UK] talking to 1000s of member businesses, no one has reported any advantages to Brexit.”

 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/brexit-benefits-uk-manufacturers-285873/

 

 

 

Such a revelation ! 

[Don Dan]

 

[Ulysses]

5 hours ago, jonesy said:

 

-a re-enactment of the dead parrot sketch?

 

 

As you are no doubt aware, the dead parrot is in fact covered by Norway's membership of the European Economic Area.  While dead parrots of the Norwegian variety can be a source of considerable disappointment in EEA pet shops, at least they can be traded without excessive bureaucracy.  Just saying.

[WorldChampions1902]

21 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

Jaysus, really? 

 

It's like a bad comedy sketch where the little Englander can't make himself understood to the Johnny Foreigner, so he keeps shouting more loudly and more slowly in English.

Would love to think that the U.K. government will agree major changes to the sh**show that is the negotiated agreement. Even better that they scrap the whole idea. Sadly, the question of Brexit being ‘toast’ is about as likely as this……..

 

 

[Unknown user]

3 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

Would love to think that the U.K. government will agree major changes to the sh**show that is the negotiated agreement. Even better that they scrap the whole idea. Sadly, the question of Brexit being ‘toast’ is about as likely as this……..

 

 

I worked in an Asda bakery, the baker was Polish. Nice dude.

[Ulysses]

35 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

Would love to think that the U.K. government will agree major changes to the sh**show that is the negotiated agreement. Even better that they scrap the whole idea. Sadly, the question of Brexit being ‘toast’ is about as likely as this……..

 

 

 

Brexit is a done deal, and anyone who still harbours notions of a reversal is kidding themselves.  The government doesn't want it, there is no pressure from the opposition, and in any case public opinion is at best divided. 

 

I've said this repeatedly, and with apologies I'll say it again.  The EU acts in effect as a single nation state for customs and trading purposes.  If a country is not in that union, it is a foreign trading party, a "third country".  There is a trade-off between the amount of access you get to our markets and having a variety of regulations and policies aligned with us.  This is not a random bit of bureaucracy.  It is the deliberate result of policies designed to make a very clear distinction between being in our market and being outside it, and it would be damaging to our economies not to do things this way.  Most countries outside the EU are between somewhat unaligned and very unaligned with our regulations - but that's commonplace around the world and it doesn't prevent necessary trade going ahead albeit with a lot of paperwork and restrictions.  If the UK wants a lot of access to our markets it has to be quite aligned or very aligned, and this the UK just does not want to do.  We in the EU can insist on what we want, but we have to accept that if the UK doesn't give us that then we're not getting it.  The UK has to do the same.  If there's a zone of negotiations where the two sides simply can't agree, then up with that we have to put.  The difference between the two sides is that we are putting up with it, albeit with a great deal of regret, while the UK can't just walk away and let the agreement operate the way it was agreed.

[Konrad von Carstein]

26 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

Brexit is a done deal, and anyone who still harbours notions of a reversal is kidding themselves.  The government doesn't want it, there is no pressure from the opposition, and in any case public opinion is at best divided. 

 

I've said this repeatedly, and with apologies I'll say it again.  The EU acts in effect as a single nation state for customs and trading purposes.  If a country is not in that union, it is a foreign trading party, a "third country".  There is a trade-off between the amount of access you get to our markets and having a variety of regulations and policies aligned with us.  This is not a random bit of bureaucracy.  It is the deliberate result of policies designed to make a very clear distinction between being in our market and being outside it, and it would be damaging to our economies not to do things this way.  Most countries outside the EU are between somewhat unaligned and very unaligned with our regulations - but that's commonplace around the world and it doesn't prevent necessary trade going ahead albeit with a lot of paperwork and restrictions.  If the UK wants a lot of access to our markets it has to be quite aligned or very aligned, and this the UK just does not want to do.  We in the EU can insist on what we want, but we have to accept that if the UK doesn't give us that then we're not getting it.  The UK has to do the same.  If there's a zone of negotiations where the two sides simply can't agree, then up with that we have to put.  The difference between the two sides is that we are putting up with it, albeit with a great deal of regret, while the UK can't just walk away and let the agreement operate the way it was agreed.

We  won a wurld cup and too wurld waws...bend to our will, dammit..

[Ulysses]

17 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

We  won a wurld cup and too wurld waws...bend to our will, dammit..

 

What is it?  Malice or naivety?  Is it that the UK's UberNats still believe - even after all that's happened - that the EU values its relationship with Britain more than with itself?  Or is it that for them to succeed it is not enough to leave the project, but they must also try to damage it for the rest of us?  I don't think that 52% of you voted for the malicious interpretation.