General Election

[JamboX2]

The Tories will limp to a small majority, bin May and hopefully Labour will bin Corbyn and his acolytes and rebuild. I will then feel comfortable voting Labour again. If Labour even had a Kinnock or Smith type leader (not really 'New Labour' types) I reckon that would be enough to win. I voted for Kinnock in '92. I will never be a slave to any party.

I think Labour have to consider the aftermath here very carefully. I genuinely think for them this is a Yes moment. This is like the indyref following building. A very positive vision in their manifesto young people are buying into.

 

I think if it's a reduced Tory majority then Corbyn should stay - if nothing more than to prevent a slide back to internal fights. Afterall Labour were on the backfoot from 2010 and 15 because they lurched straight to leadership fights rather than focusing on the Tories. A years time is a good time for a managed leadership debate. But not before the end of this year imo.

 

Need to keep new, young voters in the tent and a phased changing of the leadership to whoever follows Corbyn which prevents May getting an easy ride over the summer.

[Jammy T]

Almost as bad as the American election

 

Two hopeless and unlikable candidates. Two of the three most important members of a potential labour government almost permanently absent from the campaign or acting as if they have had a labotomy.

 

Tories are easy to slur so for balance:

 

What follows is an appeal to Jeremy Corbyn supporters to think again. It?s from Chris, a Labour party member, who does not want to give his full name for fear of abuse. He has compiled a vast, but by no means exhaustive list of the moral and political failings of the Labour leader. He told me:

 

I?ve noticed that a few of my very clever, thoughtful, moderately left-wing friends were pro-Corbyn, which amazed me. What I discovered was that they knew almost no facts about him or his fellow travellers. I then noticed that any given critical article about Corbyn only listed one or two facts about him. Normal, good people, who aren?t political anoraks like me, don?t have time to read hundreds of articles on politics ? they read a few articles and base the rest of their opinions on gut feeling and general trend of the headlines/social media. I decided to collate in one place the most striking, verifiable facts about Corbyn and the movement he represents.

 

I write this as a passionate leftist and liberal. Below is a list of facts about Jeremy Corbyn which have not previously been collated in one place. The reader can make up their own mind, based on these facts. This list has been broken up into three sections: ?Ethics?, ?Leadership & Electability?, and ?Social Media & Activists?.

 

Part One: Ethics

 

1. Against peace in Ireland

 

During the 1980s and 1990s, Jeremy Corbyn supported the IRA and opposed the Northern Ireland peace process:

 

By voting against the peace process and the Anglo-Irish Agreement in Parliament, as he believed republican nationalists shouldn?t have to compromise (the evidence is here and here).

By attending and speaking at annual pro-IRA commemorations for terrorists between 1986 and 1992. The programme for one such event reads: ?In this, the conclusive phase in the war to rid Ireland of the scourge of British imperialism?force of arms is the only method capable of bringing this about?.

 

By aligning with terrorists. Corbyn was general secretary of the editorial board of the hard-left journal Labour Briefing which supported IRA violence and explicitly backed the Brighton Hotel Bombing, which killed 5 people and maimed 31 others. In its December 1984 leader, the editorial board ?disassociated itself? from an article criticising the Brighton bombing, saying the criticism was a ?serious political misjudgement?. The board said it ?reaffirmed its support for, and solidarity with, the Irish republican movement?, and added that ?the British only sit up and take notice when they are bombed into it?. Alongside its editorial, the board reprinted a speech by Gerry Adams describing the bombing as a ?blow for democracy?.

 

The same edition carried a reader?s letter praising the ?audacity? of the IRA attack and stating: ?What do you call four dead Tories? A start.

 

If Corbyn wanted to support a unified Ireland through peaceful means he could have supported the SDLP (Northern Ireland?s Social Democratic and Labour Party), which wanted to unify Ireland through a democratic process.

 

Instead, Corbyn attended ?Troops Out? rallies where the SDLP were denounced as sell-outs. In 2015, on BBC Radio Ulster, Corbyn refused five times to specifically condemn IRA violence and terrorism. He hung up rather than answer the question.

 

Corbyn also appointed as his Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell, who opposed the peace process as late as 1998 as it meant compromise. McDonnell also said (before, admittedly, later apologising):

 

It?s about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA. Because of the bravery of the IRA and people like Bobby Sands we now have a peace process.

 

It is worth remembering that the IRA bombed, shot, or beat to death 1,696 men, women and children, and of course did not achieve a united Ireland.

 

2. For the Iranian religious right

 

Jeremy Corbyn has been paid ?20,000 to appear five times on the totalitarian Iranian regime?s propaganda channel, which was banned in the UK for its role in filming the tortured forced-confession of Iranian liberal journalist Maziar Bahari. By hosting interviews, Corbyn gives the propaganda the ?credibility? of a Western politician. It?s fascinating to hear Iranian democracy campaigner Maziar Bahari?s own thoughts on Corbyn, who he describes as ?a useful idiot?, and goes on to say:

 

People who present programmes for Press TV and get paid for it should be really ashamed of themselves ? especially if they call themselves liberals and people who are interested in human rights.

 

The Iranian regime executes gay people, democracy activists, Kurds, and orders the rape of female prisoners. But Corbyn is happy to take their money and aid their propaganda campaign. Watch the end of this clip as Jeremy hosts a caller who describes the BBC as having hosted ?Zionist liars?.

 

3. For anti-Semites

 

Jeremy Corbyn has praised and supported Raed Salah, an Islamist who has been accused of spreading the Blood Libel (an old antisemitic conspiracy that Jews use the blood of gentile children to make their bread). Salah has also been charged with inciting racial hatred and violence, and has claimed the Jews were behind 9/11.

 

Corbyn has said: ?Salah is a very honoured citizen?, ?Salah?s is a voice that must be heard?, ?Salah is far from a dangerous man?, and ?I look forward to giving you tea on the terrace because you deserve it!?.

 

Corbyn wrote in defence of a vicar who suggested that 9/11 was an inside job by the Jews.

 

Corbyn invited Hamas and Hizbollah to Parliament and called them his ?friends?. Bear in mind that Hamas?s Charter is explicitly genocidal ? it makes it clear its supporters want to kill Jews and repeats Nazi conspiracy theories. Their founding Charter also rules out any peaceful solution to the Israeli-Palestine problem. It says:

 

Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement? There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through jihad.

 

Corbyn doesn?t invite extremist Zionists to parliament, only extremist anti-Semites.

 

Corbyn was also a long-time backer of an anti-Israel group founded by Paul Eisen, attending its 2013 event even after Eisen had outed himself as a Holocaust denier years earlier.

 

4. For Putin

 

As his right-hand man, Corbyn appointed Seumas Milne, who has argued we should focus more on the positives of Stalin?s communist dictatorship. Milne was also part of the pro-Stalin and pro-Soviet fellow travellers of Fergus Nicholson?s wing of the British Communist Party (he was not an official member), and worked at the pro-Soviet paper Straight Left. Milne has also blamed Russia?s recent invasion of the Ukraine on the West, and has hosted a propaganda media conference for Vladimir Putin.

 

5. Against self-determination

 

Corbyn suggested that the Falkland Islands should be shared with Argentina, ignoring a referendum in which 99.8 per cent of the islanders voted to remain British.

 

Part Two: Electability and Leadership

 

Jeremy Corbyn has repeatedly demonstrated he isn?t a viable leader. Here?s how:

 

Corbyn has shown he has little idea about how to handle the media. Even left-wing newspapers such as The Guardian and The Independent have complained that the Corbyn team, through incompetency, release their press statements too late to give them full coverage the next day. One example was the announcement of an internal inquiry into anti-Semitism in the Labour party, wider coverage of which would have taken pressure off Corbyn and the Labour party. Instead, the announcement was made late on a Friday night ? meaning the saga dragged on.

On national television, Jeremy Corbyn refused to back a shoot-to-kill policy if a Paris-style machine gun attack happened in London. He then changed his mind and backtracked a day later.

 

Corbyn?s botched attempt at a publicity stunt on a ?ram-packed? train was questioned by Virgin who released CCTV images showing the Labour leader appearing to walk past empty seats before he had filmed a video showing him sitting on the floor of a train carriage. Another image released by Virgin also showed Corbyn having later found a seat.

 

The following advisors and colleagues have resigned under Corbyn or disowned him in the last ten months, citing incompetence and his unelectability:

 

Neale Coleman, the former aide to Ken Livingstone, resigned following the unexpected announcement of policies he had not be consulted on.

 

Richard Murphy, the left wing tax specialist who was initially supportive of Corbyn, and whose policies the Labour leader took up, has now disowned him due to his failure to create a detailed plan. He said he had lost faith in Corbyn?s vision.

 

David Blanchflower resigned, citing his lack of ability and electability.

 

And Simon Wren-Lewis criticised the Labour leadership for not campaigning ?more strongly? in the EU referendum.

 

World famous left-wing economist Thomas Picketty has also resigned as Corbyn?s economic advisor, criticising his ?weak? EU campaign.

 

The Labour MP Thangam Debonaire disowned Corbyn after saying the Labour leader hired and fired her while she was receiving cancer treatment ? all without a single word. Her full, shocking account can be read here.

 

The Labour MP Lilian Greenwood, who never publicly criticised Corbyn, and who voted with him on Syria, resigned as the Shadow Transport shadow, claiming Corbyn has repeatedly undermined her.

 

Oh, and there?s also?.The 172 Labour MPs, whose views range from centrist to centre-left to fully left-wing, who voted that they had no confidence in Corbyn?s leadership.

 

But these aren?t the only indications Corbyn isn?t up to the job:

 

Corbyn has the lowest public approval rating for an opposition leader after ten months since records began. An Ipsos Mori poll said Corbyn?s rating was -41, compared to -32 for Michael Foot at the same time during his doomed leadership.

 

Every large-scale study into why Labour lost the 2015 general election came to the same conclusion: Labour was not trusted on the economy. Corbyn?s response? To promise ?500billion in spending but refuse to say where the money will come from.

Jeremy Corbyn also had a disastrous referendum campaign. Having been pro-Brexit for decades ? voting against Common market membership in 1975, and against the Maastricht Treaty and the Lisbon Treaty as an MP ? his ?pro-Remain? campaign was, at best, half-hearted.

 

What?s more:

Corbyn missed the first day of the Labour ?Remain? campaign so he could attend an anti-nuclear weapons rally instead.

 

Leaked emails show that during the EU referendum campaign, Labour party ?Remain? campaigners came to the conclusion that the Corbyn Team were deliberately sabotaging their efforts.

 

A full 45 per cent of the millions of Labour voters weren?t aware that Labour was for ?Remain?.

 

Corbyn?s first actions after the referendum was to, unwisely, call for the immediate invoking of Article 50.

 

 

Part Three: Social Media & Activists

 

It cannot be emphasised enough that abusive Corbyn supporters only represent a vocal minority. However it is also clear that Labour wasn?t experiencing the problems of abuse and intimidation prior to the birth of this current movement. In the process of fact checking, it became apparent that some incidents of abuse may have been exaggerated in order to criticise the pro-Corbyn movement. However, it?s simply not possible to claim that the hundreds-upon-hundreds of separately documented incidents, abusive voicemails and phone calls, physical confrontations, police callouts and death threats are all exaggerations. Here are a list of just some of them:

 

Over 40 female MPs have written to Jeremy Corbyn pleading with him to try to curtail the abuse they receive from his supporters. It?s not clear what Jeremy Corbyn has actually done about this issue.

 

Across the country, Labour constituency meetings have been temporarily suspended by the NEC because of the levels of abuse and intimidation taking place at some of these gatherings.

 

Since challenging Corbyn?s leadership, Labour MP Angela Eagle has been called a ?dyke? at a constituency meeting, and has been told by police that, for now, she should not hold constituency surgeries because her safety cannot be guaranteed.

 

BBC journalist Laura Kuenssberg has received abuse from Corbyn supporters, including being called a ?whore? and a ?bitch?.

 

At the release of the Labour anti-Semitism report, Labour MP Ruth Smeeth was abused by a Corbyn supporter. Meanwhile, Corbyn apparently watched and said nothing.

 

Of course, there are many other facts to bear in mind when making your choice for Labour leader. It is up to each individual to vote with their conscience, but all of us must strive to vote based on the facts.

[Jammy T]

The Tories will limp to a small majority, bin May and hopefully Labour will bin Corbyn and his acolytes and rebuild. I will then feel comfortable voting Labour again. If Labour even had a Kinnock or Smith type leader (not really 'New Labour' types) I reckon that would be enough to win. I voted for Kinnock in '92. I will never be a slave to any party.

Seems that way

 

Andy Burnham may be Mayor of Manchester but he has a lot to answer for in ensuring Corbyn got onto the leadership ballet.

 

A semi decent leader would have nailed May this election.

 

Down to the unions having too much control over the membership.

 

They'd have had two terms of labour government by now IMO had they allowed the other Miliband brother to have become leader.

 

But make no bones about it Corbyn is as slimey a wee shite as any Tory - just more dangerous because he can't lead and would be a complete walkover internationally.

[Victorian]

Doesn't matter which way you look at it, May's sudden promises to change the law on human rights is nothing but the worst kind of opportunism. She's stripped the front line defences of their necessary capability and she already has a robust framework of law. People start to ask questions and suddenly, as well as insinuating the blame lies elsewhere, we're being promised laws that will never see the light of day. Meanwhile the latest set of victims aren't buried yet.

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

Doesn't matter which way you look at it, May's sudden promises to change the law on human rights is nothing but the worst kind of opportunism. She's stripped the front line defences of their necessary capability and she already has a robust framework of law. People start to ask questions and suddenly, as well as insinuating the blame lies elsewhere, we're being promised laws that will never see the light of day. Meanwhile the latest set of victims aren't buried yet.

The tories have always been against human rights. Part of the reason they wanted to leave the eu.

 

Got to wonder what people see in a party that despises the electorate (and animals).

[Don Dan]

To late damage done.

 

Election 2017 live updates: Diane Abbott stands down as Shadow Home Secretary as campaigns enters last day

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/diane-abbott-labour-replaced-sacked-lyn-brown-general-election-2017-jeremy-corbyn-a7776491.html

[Victorian]

To late damage done.

 

Election 2017 live updates: Diane Abbott stands down as Shadow Home Secretary as campaigns enters last day

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/diane-abbott-labour-replaced-sacked-lyn-brown-general-election-2017-jeremy-corbyn-a7776491.html

Maybe Jammy will stop panicking about her now.

[Don Dan]

Maybe Jammy will stop panicking about her now.

Only a temporary period whilst she not well [emoji855]

A statement issued by the party said: "Jeremy Corbyn, leader of the Labour Party, has asked Lyn Brown to stand in for Diane Abbott as Shadow Home Secretary for the period of her ill health."

 

All rather suspicious and convenient I'd say.

 

 

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[Victorian]

Only a temporary period whilst she not well [emoji855]

A statement issued by the party said: "Jeremy Corbyn, leader of the Labour Party, has asked Lyn Brown to stand in for Diane Abbott as Shadow Home Secretary for the period of her ill health."

 

All rather suspicious and convenient I'd say.

 

 

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As temporary as losing a foot.

[Rudolf's Mate]

Only a temporary period whilst she not well [emoji855]

A statement issued by the party said: "Jeremy Corbyn, leader of the Labour Party, has asked Lyn Brown to stand in for Diane Abbott as Shadow Home Secretary for the period of her ill health."

 

All rather suspicious and convenient I'd say.

 

 

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Willing to bet she's right back in once the polls close!

[Rudolf's Mate]

As temporary as losing a foot.

Serious question Victorian. Do you honestly think she's gone? I reckon she's got too much clout and too much info on Corbyn.

[Don Dan]

As temporary as losing a foot.

Aye both of them [emoji188]

 

 

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[Victorian]

Serious question Victorian. Do you honestly think she's gone? I reckon she's got too much clout and too much info on Corbyn.

Gone as in one of the great offices of state. She may well get a lesser portfolio.

[Victorian]

If Labour got into power, or even showed they were close to being a party of power in the future, you'll find that a good few more competent but previously disloyal and disruptive PLP characters will suddenly rediscover the courage of their long held left wing convictions. The talent pool will soon improve markedly.

[Bowmans_Boot]

Serious question Victorian. Do you honestly think she's gone? I reckon she's got too much clout and too much info on Corbyn.

 

She has shown herself to be a liability and out of her depth so yes, she is gone. Why this wasn't done weeks ago is a mystery. 

[Rudolf's Mate]

Gone as in one of the great offices of state. She may well get a lesser portfolio.

Hopefully

She has shown herself to be a liability and out of her depth so yes, she is gone. Why this wasn't done weeks ago is a mystery.

Agreed. She's been one of a few sticky points for me voting Labour.

[Bowmans_Boot]

Nothing to do with Davidson she's actually been relatively impressive in her debates, it's her shambles of a leader who is letting her down. As said above even a win won't save May she'll be lucky to get a weekend break to Brussels never mind go there as PM.

 

Despite not being a Tory supporter in any way whatsoever, I always had a respect for Ruth Davidson as I thought she debated and presented in a reasonable, intelligent manner. Recently, however, she has lost that respect as all she talks about is independence and she treats the electorate as being thick as she believes they will swallow this "one issue General Election" message. To be fair, some have, but it has made for very, very boring campaigning and debating for anyone who wishes to think about the actual issues. 

[SE16 3LN]

I haven't been in Scotland since the campaign began but in England Corbyn has wiped the floor with his opponents. What a brilliant campaign, brilliant manifesto and a glimmer of hope on the horizon of a desolate future. 

[Victorian]

I haven't been in Scotland since the campaign began but in England Corbyn has wiped the floor with his opponents. What a brilliant campaign, brilliant manifesto and a glimmer of hope on the horizon of a desolate future.

I agree but it's going to fall a bit short. There are still too many voters who see him as "that idiot" because they've been conditioned to believe so. That's the limit of some voters' attempt at an informed choice.

[Brighton Jambo]

I haven't been in Scotland since the campaign began but in England Corbyn has wiped the floor with his opponents. What a brilliant campaign, brilliant manifesto and a glimmer of hope on the horizon of a desolate future. 

 

I guess that why politics is all about opinions, I cant think of a manifesto policy that 'switches me off' more than the promise to renationalize a whole bunch of big industries, in my opinion its such a retrograde step and completely unrealistic in terms of affordability.  I agree he personally exceeded all expectations and really put the hammer to May whose performance has been shocking (complacency written all over her) but he has been badly let down by his team.  Anyone who views Dianne Abbot as the next Home Secretary, as he does, will need to have his decision making questioned.

[Don Dan]

"In chilling social media posts seen by Express.co.uk, the hard-left activists warned of mass social unrest in the event of a Tory victory.

 

They raised the possibility of riots, protests and strikes ? and even a revolution ? if Theresa May remains Prime Minister.

 

The shocking comments were made in a popular pro-Labour group on Facebook named We Support Jeremy Corbyn"

 

The shocking comments were made in a popular pro-Labour group on Facebook named We Support Jeremy Corbyn.

 

 

Fake news?

[Rudy T]

Despite not being a Tory supporter in any way whatsoever, I always had a respect for Ruth Davidson as I thought she debated and presented in a reasonable, intelligent manner. Recently, however, she has lost that respect as all she talks about is independence and she treats the electorate as being thick as she believes they will swallow this "one issue General Election" message. To be fair, some have, but it has made for very, very boring campaigning and debating for anyone who wishes to think about the actual issues.

I don't think that was her decision I think she was told to. However in the STV leaders debate when they were on their own with audience driven questions she didn't go on about indy she presented herself well and actually showed a bit of humility regarding the rape clause. If indy was to become a reality I hope she'd remain in Scottish politics without the tory machine driving her agenda.

[Rudolf's Mate]

"In chilling social media posts seen by Express.co.uk, the hard-left activists warned of mass social unrest in the event of a Tory victory.

 

They raised the possibility of riots, protests and strikes ? and even a revolution ? if Theresa May remains Prime Minister.

 

The shocking comments were made in a popular pro-Labour group on Facebook named We Support Jeremy Corbyn"

 

The shocking comments were made in a popular pro-Labour group on Facebook named We Support Jeremy Corbyn.

 

 

Fake news?

Elect Labour/Corbyn or we'll riot [emoji85] scaremongering at its finest!

[Boab]

If Labour got into power, or even showed they were close to being a party of power in the future, you'll find that a good few more competent but previously disloyal and disruptive PLP characters will suddenly rediscover the courage of their long held left wing convictions. The talent pool will soon improve markedly.

Correct.

This is a good move for Labour. If they had been way back in the polls they may not have pulled the rug from under her. This shows they think they have a serious chance of making good swings in this election...and I think they will.

May is goosed as a leader of anything.

[Boris]

I don't think that was her decision I think she was told to. However in the STV leaders debate when they were on their own with audience driven questions she didn't go on about indy she presented herself well and actually showed a bit of humility regarding the rape clause. If indy was to become a reality I hope she'd remain in Scottish politics without the tory machine driving her agenda.

 

Beauty is certainly in the eye of the beholder Rudy T!

[JamboAl]

I guess that why politics is all about opinions, I cant think of a manifesto policy that 'switches me off' more than the promise to renationalize a whole bunch of big industries, in my opinion its such a retrograde step and completely unrealistic in terms of affordability.  I agree he personally exceeded all expectations and really put the hammer to May whose performance has been shocking (complacency written all over her) but he has been badly let down by his team.  Anyone who views Dianne Abbot as the next Home Secretary, as he does, will need to have his decision making questioned.

I don't think that will be the case.  She has been temporarily replaced but I cannot imagine she will sit at the top table.  Other potential cabinet members would object/refuse to serve and JC believes in democracy so he won't be presidential.  Common sense will prevail.

[Victorian]

Correct.

This is a good move for Labour. If they had been way back in the polls they may not have pulled the rug from under her. This shows they think they have a serious chance of making good swings in this election...and I think they will.

May is goosed as a leader of anything.

Yep. Total failure. This was the biggest open goal ever to secure a huge majority. Her robotic campaign of repeating the same slogan as well as eventually letting the mask slip regarding her dishonesty has utterly destroyed it all. I would seriously laugh myself silly if they can't secure a majority. There could be some highly intriguing sub plots to follow.. including one or two controversial possibilities regarding Irish seats.

[AlphonseCapone]

Hard left Not even close.

[Cade]

Daily Heil and Der Sun gone full-blown fecking bonkers today

 

They're bricking it

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

Daily Heil and Der Sun gone full-blown fecking bonkers today

 

They're bricking it

 

Absolutely mental.

 

On the other extreme, you've got the Guardian pretending that Britain is on the verge of anarchy under May. The whole thing is fecking laughable. 

[SwindonJambo]

Daily Heil and Der Sun gone full-blown fecking bonkers today

 

They're bricking it

 

I knew they would.  And they needn't as the vote won't even be close. Scummy rags anyway. Crap Election with 2 crap Leaders, both of whom I think will be binned in the not too distant future.

[Ray Gin]

Going to share this again for those who are undecided. Find out whose policies you most agree with using this online quiz:

 

http://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz

[ToadKiller Dog]

Daily Heil and Der Sun gone full-blown fecking bonkers today

 

They're bricking it

Is the last puff of anger from these dinosaurs ,the majority of those still influenced by what the print press has to say are getting on .

Social media for bad or worse is where this and coming generations will get their world views .

Hence why May and the Tory spivs want to clamp down on freedom online nowt to do with the terror threat .

[HaymarketJambo]

Daily Heil and Der Sun gone full-blown fecking bonkers today

 

They're bricking it

 

The Scottish Sun are backing the SNP in Scotland. 

[Rudy T]

Beauty is certainly in the eye of the beholder Rudy T!

Ah Boris your a funny guy. Wee Ruth is just ma kinda gal lol.

[Boris]

Ah Boris your a funny guy. Wee Ruth is just ma kinda gal lol.

I was meaning more that our sympathy goes to who we prefer. Certainly wasn't meaning you fancied her! Personally I didn't think she came across well last night.

[Don Dan]

Corbyn on Sky just now throughing money around, other people's money, like there's no tomorrow. I do hope he's got a really big money tree in his soon to be taxed garden if he gets in.

[Victorian]

Corbyn on Sky just now throughing money around, other people's money, like there's no tomorrow. I do hope he's got a really big money tree in his soon to be taxed garden if he gets in.

A politician spending other peoples' money? Novel. Maybe they could patent the idea and call it the Treasury or something.

 

Was May not spending other peoples' money when she announced personal care reform?

[Don Dan]

A politician spending other peoples' money? Novel. Maybe they could patent the idea and call it the Treasury or something.

 

Was May not spending other peoples' money when she announced personal care reform?

Yep however someone's got to pay for it. Nothing's free despite what Jezza says.

 

 

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[Victorian]

Yep however someone's got to pay for it. Nothing's free despite what Jezza says.

 

 

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He hasn't claimed that increased spending is free. They've said where it's funded from. Increased Corporation Tax and reformed Income Tax, among others.

[Don Dan]

A politician spending other peoples' money? Novel. Maybe they could patent the idea and call it the Treasury or something.

 

Was May not spending other peoples' money when she announced personal care reform?

Somewhere along the line the care has to be paid for be it by income tax or some other tax.

My honest answer to this problem is in line with the Liberals and add a minimum of 1p on income tax and NI and increase other taxes as required to meet the short fall. That way everyone pays (hopefully)

 

 

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[Sraman]

I guess that why politics is all about opinions, I cant think of a manifesto policy that 'switches me off' more than the promise to renationalize a whole bunch of big industries, in my opinion its such a retrograde step and completely unrealistic in terms of affordability.  I agree he personally exceeded all expectations and really put the hammer to May whose performance has been shocking (complacency written all over her) but he has been badly let down by his team.  Anyone who views Dianne Abbot as the next Home Secretary, as he does, will need to have his decision making questioned.

 

 

Re-nationalisation of the running of our trains is a no-brainer. Why should we be paying the Dutch a premium to run our trains on our railways with our people? Just let their contract run out and don't put it out to tender again, zero cost.

[Don Dan]

He hasn't claimed that increased spending is free. They've said where it's funded from. Increased Corporation Tax and reformed Income Tax, among others.

He'll struggle to get it from corporation tax as has been prove in the past.

Reforming income tax won't do it (I'm not sure how he plans too) it needs to be increased to meet the demand.

 

 

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[Victorian]

Somewhere along the line the care has to be paid for be it by income tax or some other tax.

My honest answer to this problem is in line with the Liberals and add a minimum of 1p on income tax and NI and increase other taxes as required to meet the short fall. That way everyone pays (hopefully)

 

 

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I agree actually. Basic Rate Income Tax is probably too low and a small increase would generate huge yield. I would like to see VAT used in a more progressive way as well, with a scale of rates, etc.

[SwindonJambo]

Somewhere along the line the care has to be paid for be it by income tax or some other tax.

My honest answer to this problem is in line with the Liberals and add a minimum of 1p on income tax and NI and increase other taxes as required to meet the short fall. That way everyone pays (hopefully)

 

 

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That sounds very sensible .  For that reason it won't happen.

[Don Dan]

I agree actually. Basic Rate Income Tax is probably too low and a small increase would generate huge yield. I would like to see VAT used in a more progressive way as well, with a scale of rates, etc.

VAT imo would be less on essentials and more on luxuries.

There will no doubt be an argument about what's essential and what's luxury. [emoji15]

 

 

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[Victorian]

VAT imo would be less on essentials and more on luxuries.

There will no doubt be an argument about what's essential and what's luxury. [emoji15]

 

 

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Exactly. It could be a progressive tax but perhaps the complications of it has prevented it. A full scale reform of VAT could be phased in over years in order to reduce the cultural shock it could cause. It's just sitting right there crying out to become a much welcome progressive tax... with taxpayer choice built right in.

[Sraman]

VAT imo would be less on essentials and more on luxuries.

There will no doubt be an argument about what's essential and what's luxury. [emoji15]

 

 

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Shoes are an essential, children are a luxury. Oh no, that's what it is now, we need to reverse that somehow.

[SwindonJambo]

I agree actually. Basic Rate Income Tax is probably too low and a small increase would generate huge yield. I would like to see VAT used in a more progressive way as well, with a scale of rates, etc.

 

Good shout. Basic Rate Tax was 30% well into the 80s although National Insurance was a lot lower then.  Maybe Tax & NI could just be merged.  Let's face it, the real rates of Tax when you factor NI in are as follows :

 

Basic : 32%

Upper: 42%

Additional: 47%

 

I know Pensioners obviously don't pay NI so they could just be taxed at Lower Rates.  For working people, NI is collected and spent by the same respective sets of People as Tax so why separate them?

[Don Dan]

Shoes are an essential, children are a luxury. Oh no, that's what it is now, we need to reverse that somehow.

Children are a drain on finances, well mine anyway[emoji23]

 

 

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