General Election

[MacDonald Jardine]

Well, May was right, there would be a coaltion of chaos propped up by terrorists.

 

Hope she is ok leading it.

 

Another U turn by our strong and stable leader.

 

How the **** folk voted for her I don't know.

And the seethe goes on.

The DUP may be many things.

They aren't terrorists.

 

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[Roxy Hearts]

When was this a vote on independence?

I certainly didn't vote that way.

 

This is a smack in the mouth for TM and her hard Brexit stance

 

 

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Unionists can't help themselves. They see indy through an SNP prism and a narrow, closed mind.

[The Don]

The only reasonable way to judge how well or badly the SNP perform in elections is by looking at Scotland, its not difficult to work out why!!

 

You also said that "Scotland told them to do one", so clearly you are also caught up in the wee Scottish bubble.

Still didn't win anything

 

 

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[Cruyff Turn]

Regardless of the election result today. The Tories should go into coalition with someone that is not the DUP, maybe the Liberals, they would balance out Brexit, austerity ect... govern as a minority or call another election, either way Theresa May should resign because she's made a complete arse of governing this Country.

 

The DUP are so backwards the make UKIP look progressive. They should not and never should be allowed to be king makers in this coalition, whatever happened to "we don't negotiate with Terrorists".

 

As for the SNP.Sturgeon should resign with immediate effect also. She's made an arse of things in this Country allowing a scenario to happen where the DUP could hold this Country to ransom and flare up the situation in N.Ireland where things are already looking grimm once again in Stormont.

 

What a complete catastrophe. It all began with David Cameron having a game of soldiers with his back benchers on the EU and now Theresa May calling an election which she never took part in.

 

It's a disgraceful state of affairs.

[Roxy Hearts]

There are a number of powers that would allow the Scottish Government to follow a distinct economic policy.

The president government would rather blame Westminster.

 

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Aye ok.

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

Not a great fan of independent Scotland but Scotland voting 28% for the infidel is insane. 28% of the nation not realising this is not a referendum and Tory politicians don't really care for the Scots is naive. More random shenanigans await.

Ruth and the anti gay party. Interesting. Hypocrisy alive and well I'm sure

[MacDonald Jardine]

Unionists can't help themselves. They see indy through an SNP prism and a narrow, closed mind.

Whereas the SNP get on with running Scotland as best they can eh?

How many acts passed in this parliament so far?

 

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[reaths17]

I dont wish to be rude, but this post is complete shite.

the fact that you and your cult are still squealing like little babies after the people of scotland told you to do one is very rude and also insulting to the scottish people. to think that your wee gang have the right to impose your beliefs on the people is rude and insulting. calling those who didn't vote for your strange cult stupid, idiotic, dumb etc, just because they didn't vote your way is rude and insulting.

 

still the move is on, hopefully soon there wont be to many of you left, now that the people of scotland have seen the light.

[MacDonald Jardine]

Aye ok.

Well that's me told.

I can't argue with that stunning logic.

 

Although if Nationalists think the most important powers the Scottish Parliament has is speed limits it may explain the mess they've made of education.

 

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[The Real Maroonblood]

Kensington goes Labour.

[Cade]

And the seethe goes on.

The DUP may be many things.

They aren't terrorists.

 

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Aye they are. Lots of them were either members of terrorist organisations or had deep connections with them.

[invernessjt]

There was a thing on the wife's Facebook she showed me, made giggle!!

It was how Labour get in every four or elections is down to the nations amnesia - Labour get in and bankrupt the country - the Tories get in and pick up the pieces and sort things out - amnesia kicks in and people vote for Labour - Labour get in and bankrupt the country................

****ing Facebook??? Get a grip. That's worse than quoting Wikipedia!

[invernessjt]

There was a thing on the wife's Facebook she showed me, made giggle!!

It was how Labour get in every four or elections is down to the nations amnesia - Labour get in and bankrupt the country - the Tories get in and pick up the pieces and sort things out - amnesia kicks in and people vote for Labour - Labour get in and bankrupt the country................

****ing Facebook??? Get a grip. That's worse than quoting Wikipedia!

[Dawnrazor]

******* Facebook??? Get a grip. That's worse than quoting Wikipedia!

[Ulysses]

Will we ever see a united Scotland!

 

[Brighton Jambo]

Very short sighted in regards to your children and grand children. You admit it was selfish, I'd go  further and say it was a vote with you in mind and not your family.

 

The NHS, education and security  service have been put at risk by  the tories. This may well have a big impact on your children's and grand children's ability to further education  and health.

 

I , like my parents have also enjoyed a time of  relative peace in Europe and freedom of movement. This is all at risk under the tories, not to mention job security and human and workers rights that we have all enjoyed. Your children might not have these as they are now.

 

 

If you are wealthy and kids were at private school and you can afford private medical care for you and your family and can afford to pay  for further education, then congrats, however if you relay on any of the public services, your vote as the recent events have proven is putting the public at risk and ultimately your family and children.

 

But its ok, you saved , what ?1k a year in tax?

 

Your vote was maybe selfish, but not in the way you think.

 

Sorry if I offend.

No not offended, it's all about opinions. I will say though I did a bit more research than making my decision on saving 1k a year. For example in labours manifesto they referenced the land value tax. Details on the impact of this were mixed and no doubt scaremongering in places but without clarity I wasn't going to risk it.

 

We all want a good NHS but if you or anyone can tell me how we can maintain the current model, designed in the 1950s, when the population is aging and growing and will continue to do both without simply throwing billions and billions of pounds at it then I would consider a different path. Same for education to an extent, more billions. I don't want my kids generation picking up the debt all this would leave them. Someone/everyone needs to start doing some radical thinking because current solutions are not going to work.

[Victorian]

Davidson has virtually admitted that she's on her own business by seeking LGBT rights assurances from May. Not doing the day job then.

 

How and why would UK LGBT rights be infringed by the arrangement with the DUP? Fantasy land. Seems to me that Davidson is seeking assurances that are not even required in order to tick a personal box.

 

May is said to have alluded to trying to further LGBT rights in Northern Ireland.

 

Hmmmmm. I don't think that's going to be the direction of flow of influence somehow. The delusion is staggering.

[Rudy T]

Not a great fan of independent Scotland but Scotland voting 28% for the infidel is insane. 28% of the nation not realising this is not a referendum and Tory politicians don't really care for the Scots is naive. More random shenanigans await.

Ruth and the anti gay party. Interesting. Hypocrisy alive and well I'm sure

Hypocrisy in politics who would've thought it! SNP are now advocating working with the other parties...The unionist variety. May is teaming up with some lunatic fringe from NI...it needs to stop now.

 

Seriously this whole thing is a cluster**** it's time to get heads out of arses and oppose a minority government taking us to Brussels to negotiate a deal that will have ramifications for years to come. Regardless of what the Scottish public voted on for or against Brexit can't happen now. The mood of the nation has changed we need to have a second vote now people actually understand the consequence of Brexit. Half the people who voted leave did so on some half arsed lies from UKIP (0 seats) and Boris the self indulgent opportunist. The reality is dawning on many and the fact Labour with Corbyn at the helm threatened the most stable tory government in years tells you all you need to know.

 

May should end this nonsense now. I'd have more respect for her if she did and it was her last act as prime minister.

[Roxy Hearts]

Well that's me told.

I can't argue with that stunning logic.

 

Although if Nationalists think the most important powers the Scottish Parliament has is speed limits it may explain the mess they've made of education.

 

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I've just been to my daughter's awards at school and the number of bright kids was a joy.

 

I've also had cancer and the surgeon at Western General was a fantastic human being and the staff superb.

 

Really hack's me off when Unionists bash on about our education and SNHS. It doesn't add up as being poor or bad. Try England or go and live elsewhere.

[Seymour M Hersh]

******* Facebook??? Get a grip. That's worse than quoting Wikipedia!

 

The quotes not wrong though. 

[Ulysses]

One interesting observation. FPTP gets knocked as a system, and rightly so, but for sheer drama in an election nothing beats it.

 

Also, those eviscerating the Tories should realise that a system like STV would give them even more seats on their current percentage vote in Scotland.

 

Yep.  The city of Edinburgh is a case in point.  As it stands, it returned 3 SNP, 1 Labour and 1 Lib Dem, but if it were a 5-seat constituency using a PR-STV system like that used in the Assembly elections in NI, the score would have been more like SNP 2, Labour 2 and Conservatives 1.

[Roxy Hearts]

 

Yep. The city of Edinburgh is a case in point. As it stands, it returned 3 SNP, 1 Labour and 1 Lib Dem, but if it were a 5-seat constituency using a PR-STV system like that used in the Assembly elections in NI, the score would have been more like SNP 2, Labour 2 and Conservatives 1.[/quote

 

Never knew that. It's a NO city but produces good SNP results. Politics is weird at times and don't understand folk who change their vote all the time.

 

Not happy I have Lib Dems in my area.Jardine and that snake Cole-Hamilton. Who votes for them and what will they do to represent Scotland?

[...a bit disco]

Another Tory isn't happy.

 

Tom Tugendhat? @TomTugendhat  1h1 hour ago

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I joined a party that introduced equal marriage, backs civil rights and defends freedom of faith. Those principles won't be compromised.

 

Revolting Tories? Novel...

[Ulysses]

As a side note. Did anyone have any money on the election?

 

I put money on 'No overall majority' last night at 7/2.

 

While I was predicting a narrow Tory majority, my 20-year-old who doesn't bet told one of his mates to take a flutter on 'No overall majority', and the mate in question picked up about ?50.

[...a bit disco]

While I was predicting a narrow Tory majority, my 20-year-old who doesn't bet told one of his mates to take a flutter on 'No overall majority', and the mate in question picked up about ?50.

 

50 Euros, eh?

 

Irony is alive and well!

[Rudy T]

 

Another Tory isn't happy.

Tom Tugendhat? @TomTugendhat 1h1 hour ago

 

 

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I joined a party that introduced equal marriage, backs civil rights and defends freedom of faith. Those principles won't be compromised.

 

Revolting Tories? Novel...

So what does he want his party to do? Moan all he wants but his leader let him down and that was obvious about a fortnight ago. Maybe he should've taken to twitter then.

[manaliveits105]

So according to the Brigadoon brigade it was really a victory for snp and indy2 still achievable and if not we will just declare udi - absolute ponytailed rockets luckily we now have the settled will of the scottish people so dream on losers.

[indianajones]

https://mobile.twitter.com/graham4sinead/status/873244809410031620/video/1

 

[Mikey1874]

There won't be a "coalition" with the DUP - at least not in the same sense as with the Lib Dems a few years ago.

 

The DUPes are parochial; all they want is for someone to help save good wee Norn Irn from popery and a United Ireland, and pony up some cash for roads and schools and stuff.

 

Where they will dig their heels in is over things like balancing abortion rights on the mainland with the lack of them in NI.

 

In essence, I think that NI will suffer more from the relationship than Scotland, Wales and England.

The big main thing the DUP will want is extra funding for N.Ireland

 

They don't need to ask for help to keep Ireland socially conservative eg abortion

[Ulysses]

Interesting how little inroads they made in Edinburgh, which could be seen as significant.

 

Depends on how you look at it.  The Tories were up 8.7% in Edinburgh, compared to 13.7% across all of Scotland.

 

But they were still up 8.7%, and they came very close to winning a seat in Edinburgh South West and put in a very respectable performance in Edinburgh North and Leith.

[Mikey1874]

Davidson has virtually admitted that she's on her own business by seeking LGBT rights assurances from May. Not doing the day job then.

 

How and why would UK LGBT rights be infringed by the arrangement with the DUP? Fantasy land. Seems to me that Davidson is seeking assurances that are not even required in order to tick a personal box.

 

May is said to have alluded to trying to further LGBT rights in Northern Ireland.

 

Hmmmmm. I don't think that's going to be the direction of flow of influence somehow. The delusion is staggering.

It's a sham

 

Nothing will change

 

It's just about the poor public relations of joining a party so opposed to gay marriage etc

 

Ruth - "I demand gay marriage stays in Great Britain"

 

Teresa - "It will"

 

Ruth - "Cool, that's fine then"

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

Gay marriage and abortion are devolved issues to NI. The idea that the DUPpers would put repeal of gay marriage and repeal of the 67 abortion act on their wishlist is laughable.

 

The seethe is fantastic though. How dare NI MPs hold the balance of power? Well, GIRUY! It's about time NI wasn't an afterthought. And you can put the blame on Blair for strangling the Ulster Unionists, allowing the DUP to take their votes.

[Mikey1874]

Gay marriage and abortion are devolved issues to NI. The idea that the DUPpers would put repeal of gay marriage and repeal of the 67 abortion act on their wishlist is laughable.

 

The seethe is fantastic though. How dare NI MPs hold the balance of power? Well, GIRUY! It's about time NI wasn't an afterthought. And you can put the blame on Blair for strangling the Ulster Unionists, allowing the DUP to take their votes.

Spot on with first paragraph - but going in with them brings in the spotlight. It should be good overall for N.Ireland certainly funding but also more interest.

[EH11_2NL]

Ruth Davidson given DUP gay rights assurance - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40229826

 

And it starts already. Anyone who voted Tory should be uttetly ashamed of themselves.

[Ulysses]

Her speech on the steps of No10. Not a single mention of hard Brexit. 

 

She doesn't want a hard Brexit, and neither do the DUP.

[Roxy Hearts]

So according to the Brigadoon brigade it was really a victory for snp and indy2 still achievable and if not we will just declare udi - absolute ponytailed rockets luckily we now have the settled will of the scottish people so dream on losers.

I'm bald and SNP won in Scotland. Unionists lost get over it!

[Bazzas right boot]

I've just been to my daughter's awards at school and the number of bright kids was a joy.

 

I've also had cancer and the surgeon at Western General was a fantastic human being and the staff superb.

 

Really hack's me off when Unionists bash on about our education and SNHS. It doesn't add up as being poor or bad. Try England or go and live elsewhere.

Our education and nhs, although struggling is no where near the shite that is happening in England.

 

The strikes/ demonstrations by NHS staff, doctors and council staff in England is a ****ing big clue how bad it is down there.

Been on going for years.

[Ulysses]

No, it's me being accurate.

 

Quick guide:

 

Loyalist terrorist groups - UDA / UFF. Political wing = Ulster Democratic Party (UDP). Represented in the first post GFA NI Assembly with 1 seat and never again

UVF / Red Hand Commando. Political wing = Progressive Unionist Party (PUP). Represented by Billy Hutchinson and David Ervine post GFA. Now no seats

 

Republican terrorist groups:

PIRA. Political wing = Sinn Fein

Official IRA. Political wing = Workers Party. Official IRA disbanded.

INLA. Political wing = Irish Republican Socialist Party (IRSP). Disbanded

Real IRA. Political wing = Eiregi = waste of space.

 

The Provos are gone as well.

 

And anyone who genuinely thinks the DUP support terrorists is simply wrong.

[Bazzas right boot]

No not offended, it's all about opinions. I will say though I did a bit more research than making my decision on saving 1k a year. For example in labours manifesto they referenced the land value tax. Details on the impact of this were mixed and no doubt scaremongering in places but without clarity I wasn't going to risk it.

 

We all want a good NHS but if you or anyone can tell me how we can maintain the current model, designed in the 1950s, when the population is aging and growing and will continue to do both without simply throwing billions and billions of pounds at it then I would consider a different path. Same for education to an extent, more billions. I don't want my kids generation picking up the debt all this would leave them. Someone/everyone needs to start doing some radical thinking because current solutions are not going to work.

Debt? It's trebled under this government.

Radical thinking? Maybe a change?

 

Nope, just continue.

 

Ok, fair enough.

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

The Provos are gone as well.

 

And anyone who genuinely thinks the DUP support terrorists is simply wrong.

Fair point.

 

Sadly, that can't be said for loyalists.

[Ulysses]

I'm still trying to get my head around this soft Brexit chat?

What is it?

 

Basically no Brexit?

 

 

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EFTA - see Norway.

 

Or detailed text in multiple chapters that looks a lot like EFTA - see Switzerland.

[Rudy T]

Ruth Davidson given DUP gay rights assurance - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40229826

 

And it starts already. Anyone who voted Tory should be uttetly ashamed of themselves.

I like the line May would use her influence to further gay rights in NI. What influence is that exactly. She so much as steps out of line and they'll pull their support and the games a bogey!

[CJGJ]

She doesn't want a hard Brexit, and neither do the DUP.

What !!!!

 

She called an election to do exactly that.

 

The DUP are now going to have to agree on a strategy for the border with Eire and there will be huge pressure on them for no one wants a return to border crossings but there cannot be unrestricted access otherwise the UK has no control.

There is plenty to come for this 'agreement'

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

I like the line May would use her influence to further gay rights in NI. What influence is that exactly. She so much as steps out of line and they'll pull their support and the games a bogey!

Maybe she'll work with Dublin to help draw up new rules on petitions of concern. That's what stopped gay marriage being passed in the last Assembly.

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

What !!!!

 

She called an election to do exactly that.

 

The DUP are now going to have to agree on a strategy for the border with Eire and there will be huge pressure on them for no one wants a return to border crossings but there cannot be unrestricted access otherwise the UK has no control.

There is plenty to come for this 'agreement'

Joining EFTA was, IMO, part of the transition plan to the Article 50 implementation. Using the DUP's wish for a soft Brexit might make that even more transparent.

 

Cue Farage making a return at this point.

[Rudy T]

Maybe she'll work with Dublin to help draw up new rules on petitions of concern. That's what stopped gay marriage being passed in the last Assembly.

I doubt it somehow. It'll be swept under the carpet. She's got more to worry about. The DUP hold all the aces here.

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

I doubt it somehow. It'll be swept under the carpet. She's got more to worry about. The DUP hold all the aces here.

The DUP don't actually have enough MLAs to stop gay marriage on their own anymore.

[Cairneyhill Jambo]

So according to the Brigadoon brigade it was really a victory for snp and indy2 still achievable and if not we will just declare udi - absolute ponytailed rockets luckily we now have the settled will of the scottish people so dream on losers.

The will of the Scottish people backed the SNP with a majority of 35 seats out of 59. At the end of the day, the election was irrelevant to Scotland. Whether the Tories or labour won, we'll still be governed by arseholes at Westminster who don't give a shit about Scotland.

[Ulysses]

 

Ruth Davidson?Verified account @RuthDavidsonMSP  3h3 hours ago

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As a Protestant Unionist about to marry an Irish Catholic, here's the Amnesty Pride lecture I gave in Belfast...

 

 

Tory or not, that was one hell of a speech.

[John Gentleman]

Statistics, damned statistics.....

 

Tories get 42% of the vote and win 218 seats (ratio of 0.1927 per seat)

 

Labour get 40% of the vote and win 262 seats (ratio of 0.1527 per seat)

 

So much for one vote, one value.