JamboX2 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 JamboX2, if that's the case why have the SNP won the last 3 elections at Holyrood and have 54 MP's at Westminster? I just said. Who of any calibre have they been up against here? Read the whole post perhaps rather than overreact to the opening line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 It's ok I knew you can't bring yourself to support constructive discussions. The reason is you know it's in the SNPs interests to mess up the Brexit deal as much as possible to support another crack at Indy. The best Brexit deal for Scotland is Independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanishTam10 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 In other words...ignore any history, I'm willing to learn nothing. No. I am not saying that SM. I am saying this is not 80's with Thatch, nor is it Norway over the last handful of decades. It is 16th March 2017. We have to figure out the best plan, from here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Trapper John McIntyre Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Exactly the same logic with independence, surely? Except ?15bn deficit for a start. What's that in Euro's/groats/Scots poond? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanishTam10 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 I just said. Who of any calibre have they been up against here? Read the whole post perhaps rather than overreact to the opening line. Your first sentence could be refering to us, the citizens. I think we could be better at politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tartan Trump Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Bit of a red face for Ruth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By The Light.. Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 The best Brexit deal for Scotland is Independence. Absolutely this. Independence from the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Except ?15bn deficit for a start. What's that in Euro's/groats/Scots poond? Right trapper tell us where you get this ?15b deficit from. You've no idea of the ins and outs of an independent Scotland. For a start we won't be paying billions on Warheads, royals, wars, UK debt interest, WM repairs, WM MPs, less Holyrood MPs, we'll also recover our vat from sales leaving from rUK ports that go into their tax take for some reason. On and rUK will be paying full price for our goods which will still be cheaper than abroad. Oh again, that China deal would have brought down our trade with rUK to 50%. Do you not find that a bit suspect. A market of 10 times the size of rUK being taken away from us and We've just to accept it without making a fuss. Watch us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Right trapper tell us where you get this ?15b deficit from. You've no idea of the ins and outs of an independent Scotland. For a start we won't be paying billions on Warheads, royals, wars, UK debt interest, WM repairs, WM MPs, less Holyrood MPs, we'll also recover our vat from sales leaving from rUK ports that go into their tax take for some reason. On and rUK will be paying full price for our goods which will still be cheaper than abroad. Oh again, that China deal would have brought down our trade with rUK to 50%. Do you not find that a bit suspect. A market of 10 times the size of rUK being taken away from us and We've just to accept it without making a fuss. Watch us. Had a tough day, Aus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Except ?15bn deficit for a start. What's that in Euro's/groats/Scots poond? And a hard Brexit could cost Scotland 16 billion a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 norman smithVerified account @BBCNormanS Scottish independence referendum was "not divisive" says Nicola Sturgeon @BBCScotlandNews 0 replies0 retweets1 like Reply Retweet Like 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 And a hard Brexit could cost Scotland 16 billion a year. Note the word 'could'. Deficit ?15bn: Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogemz Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 norman smithVerified account @BBCNormanS Scottish independence referendum was "not divisive" says Nicola Sturgeon @BBCScotlandNews 0 replies0 retweets1 like Reply Retweet Like 1 That is unbelievable if true. Politicians in general are very out of touch but that is a staggering comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Note the word 'could'. Deficit ?15bn: Fact. 15 billion is not a fact actually. You are between a billion and 300 million out on your guesstimate. But Aussie has a point. GERs is the stastical data of the Scottish economy as a 'Devolved Government', with zero control over its macro economy. It does not take into account Defence spending or assets. So to use GERs to make a case against Scottish Independence is bonkers. If anything it pretty much sums up the need for Scotland to have much more control over its economy. Well, we'll find out in the next couple of years what disaster the UK government drags us into next. But you can bet your life on it having a negative impact on Scotland. A soft Brexit would cost Scotland, at the most conservative estimates, 2billion a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Absolutely this. Independence from the EU. Sums you up. Why independence from the EU but not rUK? The EU doesn't decide on our tax and spend. The EU just said the UK Brexit ref is null and void as it's too wee and too stupid and isn't allowed to have independence votes as it Cannae afford it. And Breathe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 That is unbelievable if true. Politicians in general are very out of touch but that is a staggering comment. Out of touch eh... oh the irony.. Neo Con far right , now there is a mind set that is any thing but in touch with ordinary working people.. Scaremongering seems their forte, sneaky manipulative weasels. London professor & tax expert rejects ?nonsense? data used against Scottish independence movement Tax expert Richard Murphy rejects ?nonsense? economic case against Scottish independence ONE OF THE WORLD?S LEADING experts on tax affairs,? COMMONSPACE.SCOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaymarketJambo Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 I just said. Who of any calibre have they been up against here? Read the whole post perhaps rather than overreact to the opening line. Sorry about that. What I was trying to say is that if the SNP are that bad in government then how come Labour or the Conservatives are not nearer to the SNP in votes at Holyrood never mind the calibre of MSP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 The unionists are utterly rattled at the slightest hint of another referendum. Plenty tears and snotters have been wiped onto Union Jack pillowcases in the last 48 hours. Union flag unless it's on a Royal Navy Ship. What a shock a nationalist who has no idea of the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Out of touch eh... oh the irony.. Neo Con far right , now there is a mind set that is any thing but in touch with ordinary working people.. Scaremongering seems their forte, sneaky manipulative weasels. London professor & tax expert rejects ?nonsense? data used against Scottish independence movement Tax expert Richard Murphy rejects ?nonsense? economic case against Scottish independence ONE OF THE WORLD?S LEADING experts on tax affairs,? COMMONSPACE.SCOT That doesn't even mean anything. It's gibberish just like the rest of your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 15 billion is not a fact actually. You are between a billion and 300 million out on your guesstimate. But Aussie has a point. GERs is the stastical data of the Scottish economy as a 'Devolved Government', with zero control over its macro economy. It does not take into account Defence spending or assets. So to use GERs to make a case against Scottish Independence is bonkers. If anything it pretty much sums up the need for Scotland to have much more control over its economy. Well, we'll find out in the next couple of years what disaster the UK government drags us into next. But you can bet your life on it having a negative impact on Scotland. A soft Brexit would cost Scotland, at the most conservative estimates, 2billion a year. Scotlands 'defence' spending post Indy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogemz Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Out of touch eh... oh the irony.. Neo Con far right , now there is a mind set that is any thing but in touch with ordinary working people.. Scaremongering seems their forte, sneaky manipulative weasels. London professor & tax expert rejects ?nonsense? data used against Scottish independence movement Tax expert Richard Murphy rejects ?nonsense? economic case against Scottish independence ONE OF THE WORLD?S LEADING experts on tax affairs,? COMMONSPACE.SCOT As I said, politician's are generally out of touch. Of course on both sides of the argument there are outrageous claims and counter claims. Doesn't make the comment from the first minister any less staggering though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanishTam10 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 15 billion is not a fact actually. You are between a billion and 300 million out on your guesstimate. But Aussie has a point. GERs is the stastical data of the Scottish economy as a 'Devolved Government', with zero control over its macro economy. It does not take into account Defence spending or assets. So to use GERs to make a case against Scottish Independence is bonkers. If anything it pretty much sums up the need for Scotland to have much more control over its economy. Well, we'll find out in the next couple of years what disaster the UK government drags us into next. But you can bet your life on it having a negative impact on Scotland. A soft Brexit would cost Scotland, at the most conservative estimates, 2billion a year. Wait until folk figure the whisky export duty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Had a tough day, Aus?No really, it went perfectly. President Nicola and the GLS are pissing themselves at the PM's stupidity. A no deal hard Brexit will ban Scotland from trading with Europe once again. The young team of Scotland isn't gonnae have any of that. Tick tock Mintit Sortit Spunktacular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Scotlands 'defence' spending post Indy I'd rather we spent our money on 're runs of dad's army than pretending we're empire 2.0 and blowing a fortune on weapons that can liquidate whole populations within seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 It's ok I knew you can't bring yourself to support constructive discussions. The reason is you know it's in the SNPs interests to mess up the Brexit deal as much as possible to support another crack at Indy. Welcome to the real world of politics. Has it taken you this long to understand how it all works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Scotlands 'defence' spending post Indy It's all we need, as we don't think we're some sort of superpower. A wee nyaff rUK will be with its warheads in the humber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tartan Trump Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Union flag unless it's on a Royal Navy Ship. What a shock a nationalist who has no idea of the facts. Union Jack pillowcase had a better ring to it. I bow to your superior knowledge of British nationalist insignia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Wait until folk figure the whisky export duty You sure you've no swallied Scotlands entire export of Scotch Whisky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 No. I am not saying that SM. I am saying this is not 80's with Thatch, nor is it Norway over the last handful of decades. It is 16th March 2017. We have to figure out the best plan, from here. Well I've got a plan, so has quite a few others by the looks of things on here. Who appointed you leader? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Welcome to the real world of politics. Has it taken you this long to understand how it all works? So you are happy for the SNP to mess up Brexit for all, including Scotland. But it's all a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogemz Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 If the EU is so important to both the Scottish government and the Yes campaign then perhaps the EU may be willing to make provisions for Scotland during the Brexit negotiations in the event of a vote for independence after Brexit is complete. Perhaps then we may see how important Scotland is to the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tartan Trump Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Unionists really going hard with the too wee, too poor, too stupid tropes tonight. You're utterly rattled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 If the EU is so important to both the Scottish government and the Yes campaign then perhaps the EU may be willing to make provisions for Scotland during the Brexit negotiations in the event of a vote for independence after Brexit is complete. Perhaps then we may see how important Scotland is to the EU. Well no, it can't because Chairman May has already said it will be a hard brexit and that there will not be a seperate deal for Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogemz Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Well no, it can't because Charmain May has already said it will be a hard brexit and that there will not be a seperate deal for Scotland. Yes I realise that and I don't think it would actually happen. However though, just because Theresa May says no doesn't mean to say the EU may have a different outlook when they get round the table. Obviously I also realise the Scottish government won't be involved in the actual negotiations but that shouldn't stop them canvassing prominent EU countries in the meantime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Shouldn't that be SNP generations? Pretty sure I heard them going on about once in a generation just a few years ago. Quite possibly exactly what Kezia's alluding to? Appears to have flown over a few tiny minds. Tiny minds? That's for those who remain closed. Independence is for open minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanishTam10 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Talking about what other countries have done, and talking about stuff from 30 years ago is just distracting yourselves from what is happening now. In other words...ignore any history, I'm willing to learn nothing. No. I am not saying that SM. I am saying this is not 80's with Thatch, nor is it Norway over the last handful of decades. It is 16th March 2017. We have to figure out the best plan, from here. Well I've got a plan, so has quite a few others by the looks of things on here. Who appointed you leader? Space Mackerel, I hope you appreciate me saying this here. You have a tendency to not answer a question, and instead say something that no-one had said before. I wish you didn't. I am trying to talk to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Space Mackerel, I hope you appreciate me saying this here. You have a tendency to not answer a question, and instead say something that no-one had said before. I wish you didn't. I am trying to talk to you. I wish you luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Further woe for the Nationalist cause on a great day for the Union: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 No really, it went perfectly. President Nicola and the GLS are pissing themselves at the PM's stupidity. A no deal hard Brexit will ban Scotland from trading with Europe once again. The young team of Scotland isn't gonnae have any of that. Tick tock Mintit Sortit Spunktacular Christ four more years of this toddler stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Yes I realise that and I don't think it would actually happen. However though, just because Theresa May says no doesn't mean to say the EU may have a different outlook when they get round the table. Obviously I also realise the Scottish government won't be involved in the actual negotiations but that shouldn't stop them canvassing prominent EU countries in the meantime. Very true.She could be 'just saying that' to keep all her cards on the table and not give away any negotiating position. The Scottish Governments already been down that road. The only opposition to Scotland joining the EU seems to be the Spanish who don't want Basque or Catalonia to become Independent states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Christ four more years of this toddler stuff.Have you assaulted David Cameron yet? Very scummy behaviour that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Further woe for the Nationalist cause on a great day for the Union: A petition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Have you assaulted David Cameron yet? Very scummy behaviour that. Can't find him. Mintit Sortit Tick-tock Etc Etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Can't find him. Mintit Sortit Tick-tock Etc Etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Further woe for the Nationalist cause on a great day for the Union: Social justice warriors and their petitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogemz Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Very true. She could be 'just saying that' to keep all her cards on the table and not give away any negotiating position. The Scottish Governments already been down that road. The only opposition to Scotland joining the EU seems to be the Spanish who don't want Basque or Catalonia to become Independent states. Obviously the situation has changed in the last few days so it might put the First Minister in a stronger position to push some European nations Into making some provisions for Scotland should we vote for independence after Brexit is complete. In my opinion that would be an ideal and common sense way to get through this sorry mess. Brexit to be negotiated and complete with a deal on the table for Scotland should independence become a reality post Brexit. The Scottish people could then make the most informed decisions possible during the next referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanishTam10 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Very true. She could be 'just saying that' to keep all her cards on the table and not give away any negotiating position. The Scottish Governments already been down that road. The only opposition to Scotland joining the EU seems to be the Spanish who don't want Basque or Catalonia to become Independent states. You are an expert on the EU, and their reaction to first, brexit, then perhaps Scotland leaving the UK are you? No. You are definitely not that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Bit of a red face for Ruth She's blocked nothing. Just suggested timing. It's not a hard concept to get. Shall we have dinner at 6? No. 7. I'm busy at 6. Have I blocked dinner or delayed it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanishTam10 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Obviously the situation has changed in the last few days so it might put the First Minister in a stronger position to push some European nations Into making some provisions for Scotland should we vote for independence after Brexit is complete. In my opinion that would be an ideal and common sense way to get through this sorry mess. Brexit to be negotiated and complete with a deal on the table for Scotland should independence become a reality post Brexit. The Scottish people could then make the most informed decisions possible during the next referendum. Obviously the situation has changed in the last few days so it might put the First Minister in a stronger position to push some European nations Into making some provisions for Scotland should we vote for independence after Brexit is complete. In my opinion that would be an ideal and common sense way to get through this sorry mess. Brexit to be negotiated and complete with a deal on the table for Scotland should independence become a reality post Brexit. The Scottish people could then make the most informed decisions possible during the next referendum. What the heck are you talking about here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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