Arnold Rothstein Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 What law? Cmon Einstein, spit it out. I love the irony of you calling someone Einstein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 I love the irony of you calling someone Einstein. Looks like you, Austra.., and Thrapper all "love" each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 (edited) What law? Cmon Einstein, spit it out. 'The UK Parliament remains sovereign' The Scotland Act 1998 The Scotland Act 1998 made provision for a Scottish government of ministers and a Scottish Parliament to which they would be accountable. Elections were held on 6 May 1999 and powers previously exercised by the Secretary State for Scotland and other UK ministers were transferred to Scottish ministers on July 1 1999, the same day that the Scottish Parliament was officially convened. The act does not specify which matters are devolved to the Scottish Parliament, rather it specifies those matters that are reserved to the UK Parliament. Those matters not reserved by the Scotland Act are devolved to the Scottish Parliament. The Scottish Parliament has primary legislative powers, ie the power to pass acts. The act also created the position of Advocate General for Scotland. The Advocate General is a UK Law Officer and gives legal advice to HM government on Scots law and devolution. The Advocate General also has power to intervene if issues arise as to whether legislation passed by the Scottish Parliament is within its competence. The passing of the act saw the abolition of the old Scottish Office and the creation of the new Scottish government and Scottish Parliament. In Whitehall, the Scotland Office came into being to assist the Secretary of State for Scotland in his functions and duties. The Scottish settlement The establishment of the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish government is provided for in the Scotland Act 1998 (as amended by the Scotland Act 2012). Schedule 5 to the act sets out those matters which are reserved to the UK Parliament. (Note that schedule 5 has been amended since the Scotland Act gained Royal Assent.) All other issues are deemed to be devolved. Reserved matters include: the constitution foreign affairs defence international development the Civil Service financial and economic matters immigration and nationality misuse of drugs trade and industry aspects of energy regulation (eg electricity, coal, oil and gas and nuclear energy) aspects of transport (eg regulation of air services, rail and international shipping) employment social security abortion, genetics, surrogacy, medicines broadcasting equal opportunities Consequently devolved matters include: health and social work education and training local government and housing justice and policing agriculture, forestry and fisheries the environment tourism, sport and heritage economic development and internal transport The Scottish Parliament has the power to pass primary legislation, but cannot legislate on reserved matters. Nor by schedule 4 can it amend protected enactments, such as certain articles of the Act of Union. The UK Parliament remains sovereign, but has not knowingly legislated on a devolved matter since devolution without the agreement of the Scottish Parliament. Edited February 3, 2017 by Trapper John McIntyre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 'The UK Parliament remains sovereign' The Scotland Act 1998 The Scotland Act 1998 made provision for a Scottish government of ministers and a Scottish Parliament to which they would be accountable. Elections were held on 6 May 1999 and powers previously exercised by the Secretary State for Scotland and other UK ministers were transferred to Scottish ministers on July 1 1999, the same day that the Scottish Parliament was officially convened. The act does not specify which matters are devolved to the Scottish Parliament, rather it specifies those matters that are reserved to the UK Parliament. Those matters not reserved by the Scotland Act are devolved to the Scottish Parliament. The Scottish Parliament has primary legislative powers, ie the power to pass acts. The act also created the position of Advocate General for Scotland. The Advocate General is a UK Law Officer and gives legal advice to HM government on Scots law and devolution. The Advocate General also has power to intervene if issues arise as to whether legislation passed by the Scottish Parliament is within its competence. The passing of the act saw the abolition of the old Scottish Office and the creation of the new Scottish government and Scottish Parliament. In Whitehall, the Scotland Office came into being to assist the Secretary of State for Scotland in his functions and duties. The Scottish settlement The establishment of the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish government is provided for in the Scotland Act 1998 (as amended by the Scotland Act 2012). Schedule 5 to the act sets out those matters which are reserved to the UK Parliament. (Note that schedule 5 has been amended since the Scotland Act gained Royal Assent.) All other issues are deemed to be devolved. Reserved matters include: the constitution foreign affairs defence international development the Civil Service financial and economic matters immigration and nationality misuse of drugs trade and industry aspects of energy regulation (eg electricity, coal, oil and gas and nuclear energy) aspects of transport (eg regulation of air services, rail and international shipping) employment social security abortion, genetics, surrogacy, medicines broadcasting equal opportunities Consequently devolved matters include: health and social work education and training local government and housing justice and policing agriculture, forestry and fisheries the environment tourism, sport and heritage economic development and internal transport The Scottish Parliament has the power to pass primary legislation, but cannot legislate on reserved matters. Nor by schedule 4 can it amend protected enactments, such as certain articles of the Act of Union. The UK Parliament remains sovereign, but has not knowingly legislated on a devolved matter since devolution without the agreement of the Scottish Parliament. So what law stops us having Indy Ref 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold Rothstein Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Looks like you, Austra.., and Thrapper all "love" each other. Collectively tired of your drivel is probably more accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 So what law stops us having Indy Ref 2? See Arnie's last post for guidance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Collectively tired of your drivel is probably more accurate. You don't have to open the thread and comment, choice is yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 See Arnie's last post for guidance. See mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 See Arnie's last post for guidance. So no law, thanks for the clarification Thrapper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold Rothstein Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 So no law, thanks for the clarification Thrapper. So what's stopping her? There might not be a specific law but constitutionally she can't just call a referendum. Correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Australis Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 So what's stopping her? There might not be a specific law but constitutionally she can't just call a referendum. Correct? Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 So what's stopping her? There might not be a specific law but constitutionally she can't just call a referendum. Correct? We will call the referendum when the times right. Have some patience please. What's the hurry? Getting nervous? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 So what's stopping her? There might not be a specific law but constitutionally she can't just call a referendum. Correct? She hasn't the bottle and anything other than a referendum sanctioned officially by Westminster is legally worthless. May is a much harder case than Cameron who naively handed everything over (and the Natz still lost). Theresa won't be as accomodating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold Rothstein Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 We will call the referendum when the times right. Have some patience please. What's the hurry? Getting nervous? Just a little bored of it if I'm honest. You haven't answered my question either quelle surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 She hasn't the bottle and anything other than a referendum sanctioned officially by Westminster is legally worthless. May is a much harder case than Cameron who naively handed everything over (and the Natz still lost). Theresa won't be as accomodating. So she's a dictator then? When does she send in the tanks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Just a little bored of it if I'm honest. You haven't answered my question either quelle surprise. What question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 So she's a dictator then? When does she send in the tanks? Dictator? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Was this your tweet, Monkey? mpersonating Sturgeon makes Tracey Ullman a racist apparently. 9 replies8 retweets12 likes Reply 9 Retweet 8 Like 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold Rothstein Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 (edited) What question? Can NS/SNP just call a referendum? We both know the answer btw, it's just one of us is ignoring it because it doesn't suit our narrative. Edited February 3, 2017 by Arnold Rothstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Can NS/SNP jus call a referendum? We both know the answer btw, it's just one of us is ignoring it because it doesn't suit our narrative. No, it has to be agreed. But if it was denied then it opens a whole can of worms, surely you can see that? Aren't you glad you live in a democracy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 No, it has to be agreed. But if it was denied then it opens a whole can of worms, surely you can see that? Aren't you glad you live in a democracy? Are you insinuating that following the rule of law is anti-democratic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Are you insinuating that following the rule of law is anti-democratic?Still waiting on this concocted law you've made up up in your obviously drunken mind tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Still waiting on this concocted law you've made up up in your obviously drunken mind tonight. That's not nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 That's not nice. Anytime you're ready to post this made up law. Crack on sunshine, we are waiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold Rothstein Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 No, it has to be agreed. But if it was denied then it opens a whole can of worms, surely you can see that? Aren't you glad you live in a democracy? On what basis would it be requested? Do we have a referendum on whether to ask Westminster to sanction a referendum!? How would the SNP know what the appetite for independence was? I don't think it was in their last Holyrood manifesto so I really don't think they democratically have much right to approach Westminster for sanction as and when they please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 (edited) Anytime you're ready to post this made up law. Crack on sunshine, we are waiting. The Scotland Act is made up? Have you been drinking again? Edited February 3, 2017 by Trapper John McIntyre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 On what basis would it be requested? Do we have a referendum on whether to ask Westminster to sanction a referendum!? How would the SNP know what the appetite for independence was? I don't think it was in their last Holyrood manifesto so I really don't think they democratically have much right to approach Westminster for sanction as and when they please. Seen this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Seen this? Note the blue bits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 The Scotland Act is made up? Have you been drinking again? Mind David Cameron coming up and greeting on live tv that Scotland would be an equal partner in the Union just before Indy ref 1? What's happened pal? Eh? Mind The Vow [emoji23] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold Rothstein Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Seen this? You've literally just emphasised my point. Despite having 50% of the vote they still don't have the mandate to call/request a referendum as they didn't campaign on that basis. A vote for the SNP is not a vote for independence but you know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Mind David Cameron coming up and greeting on live tv that Scotland would be an equal partner in the Union just before Indy ref 1? What's happened pal? Eh? Mind The Vow [emoji23] You mean we're not an equal partner in the Union??? They must like us, I mean look at all the money those nasty English send us in order to keep us in the style in which we've all become accustomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 You've literally just emphasised my point. Despite having 50% of the vote they still don't have the mandate to call/request a referendum as they didn't campaign on that basis. A vote for the SNP is not a vote for independence but you know that. You mean we're not an equal partner in the Union??? They must like us, I mean look at all the money those nasty English send us in order to keep us in the style in which we've all become accustomed. Yous both know it's coming, the desperation is there for all to see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Yous both know it's coming, the desperation is there for all to see We're both sweating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold Rothstein Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Yous both know it's coming, the desperation is there for all to see If it happens it happens but the SNP and their cronies are a hell of a lot further from convincing the electorate than they think. Complacency from Yes plus further apathy from people on the fence will see it never happens IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 We're both sweating. Not me. No reason to be. We have Aces, Kings, Queens and ironically Jocks. [emoji4] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 If it happens it happens but the SNP and their cronies are a hell of a lot further from convincing the electorate than they think. Complacency from Yes plus further apathy from people on the fence will see it never happens IMO. Tell me, what's wrong with Scotland making its own decisions? We have a huge amount of natural resources and a educated populous? I honestly don't see your way of viewing things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Not me. No reason to be. We have Aces, Kings, Queens and ironically Jocks. [emoji4] Racist epitaph. I'm surprised at you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Tell me, what's wrong with Scotland making its own decisions? We have a huge amount of natural resources and a educated populous? I honestly don't see your way of viewing things. I thought we did? I must have missed something (probably the natural resources to get us out of a ?15bn deficit). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Racist epitaph. I'm surprised at you. Racist? Did a few years in my younger days in HM Forces, I've lost count the amount of times I've been called a Sweaty (and all in good faith) What have you done for the UK Thrapper? Posted on here and Twitter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold Rothstein Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Tell me, what's wrong with Scotland making its own decisions? We have a huge amount of natural resources and a educated populous? I honestly don't see your way of viewing things. You can't think of any reason why someone might not want to take Scotland out of the UK? Really? I think if you can't see things from the alternative viewpoint at all then that is very very blinkered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Racist? Did a few years in my younger days in HM Forces, I've lost count the amount of times I've been called a Sweaty (and all in good faith) What have you done for the UK Thrapper? Posted on here and Twitter? So you're a loyal Brit who has taken an oath to Her Majesty the Queen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 You can't think of any reason why someone might not want to take Scotland out of the UK? Really? I think if you can't see things from the alternative viewpoint at all then that is very very blinkered.Another answer answered with question?Guess you don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 So you're a loyal Brit who has taken an oath to Her Majesty the Queen? I did, when I was a kid. But I've grown up, started thinking for myself now. So, how come youre such a BritNat? Did you ever progress mentally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 I did, when I was a kid. But I've grown up, started thinking for myself now. So, how come youre such a BritNat? Did you ever progress mentally? What's a Britnat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 What's a Britnat? Have you got a mirror in your house? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Have you got a mirror in your house? A Scotsman looks back at me. Always has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold Rothstein Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Another answer answered with question? Guess you don't know. Which you've just done yourself. How about people just not really that bothered about a border at Berwick? Why is the welfare of someone in Glasgow/Dundee/Edinburgh any more important to me than someone in other parts of the UK? I guess I don't see a divide unlike you. Actually I hate needless division at any level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Which you've just done yourself. How about people just not really that bothered about a border at Berwick? Why is the welfare of someone in Glasgow/Dundee/Edinburgh any more important to me than someone in other parts of the UK? I guess I don't see a divide unlike you. Actually I hate needless division at any level. One day you'll understand that the politics and aspirations of the parts of UK are different. Until then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold Rothstein Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 (edited) .............started thinking for myself now.......... Code for 'reading Wings/The National' etc. Edited February 3, 2017 by Arnold Rothstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 A Scotsman looks back at me. Always has. Away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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