Space Mackerel Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Scottish budget passed. Saved the Yoons from another electoral hiding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Scottish budget passed. Saved the Yoons from another electoral hiding 40% tax threshold to change so increased taxation for spuds like you. It takes the Greens to force the SNP to use the powers they whined for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 I'd argue that any independent Scotland should have (another) referendum on EU membership once independent. Wouldn't work as the first vote would be predicated on an assumption/guess on how the second one would go. Also would not work unless EU would give cast-iron guarantees on an Indy Scotland being admitted, which they can't do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Scottish budget passed. Saved the Yoons from another electoral hiding Looking at it with the indy specs off, Patrick Harvie and the Greens have sold out quite a bit on their tax position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Looking at it with the indy specs off, Patrick Harvie and the Greens have sold out quite a bit on their tax position. The Greens are our Indy brethren, they'll never let us down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 The Greens are our Indy brethren, they'll never let us down. Interesting the tax change will be announced tomorrow. What do you think it will be? I'm thinking a penny on higher rate but it looks like they will lower the 40% threshold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Interesting the tax change will be announced tomorrow. What do you think it will be? I'm thinking a penny on higher rate but it looks like they will lower the 40% threshold. I thought the SNP knocked back lowering the top rate like the Torys have done down South. Think thats it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 I'd argue that any independent Scotland should have (another) referendum on EU membership once independent. I would argue we shouldn't We are either independent or we are not I am about to be stripped of my EU citizenship and passport against my will Then would be stripped of my British Passport against my will Then would be stripped of my Scottish passport against my will And then given another EU one? Eh, naw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 I thought the SNP knocked back lowering the top rate like the Torys have done down South. Think thats it. No I'd expect the Greens would need a bit more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 No I'd expect the Greens would need a bit more than that. They've already said it's just the threshold plus extra investment in local services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Looking at it with the indy specs off, Patrick Harvie and the Greens have sold out quite a bit on their tax position. Taking the labour specs off, it's better to achieve something than nothing. Especially since they only have 6 MSPs. They seen an opportunity to get something so good on them. At the end of the day the effects on not agreeing a budget or having another election is far more devastating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zico Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 They've already said it's just the threshold plus extra investment in local services. Indeed but I guess tomorrow we will see where they move the threshold to. If it's hardly anything The the Greens have capitulated and got nothing in return. If it's a significant move enough to piss off enough people then the nasty Tory Toffs will go on the offensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Indeed but I guess tomorrow we will see where they move the threshold to. If it's hardly anything The the Greens have capitulated and got nothing in return. If it's a significant move enough to piss off enough people then the nasty Tory Toffs will go on the offensive. The threshold is going to be ?43k after that you'll pay the higher rate, however the rest of the UK is going up to ?45k before you pay the higher rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Taking the labour specs off, it's better to achieve something than nothing. Especially since they only have 6 MSPs. They seen an opportunity to get something so good on them. At the end of the day the effects on not agreeing a budget or having another election is far more devastating. Indeed. My understanding was MacKay said he wouldn't countenance the return of the 50p rate or a penny rise. Labour's two key planks. Talks broke down between both sides early on. The Greens meanwhile have earned roughly an extra ?30 million and have allowed the 40% rate to slowly hit middle earners without inflation adjustments. My understanding is the budget not being passed does little but maintain the running of government on current funding. Equally, we are at stage 1 of the budget. Long while to go yet. The SNP were utterly inflexible on this. Even the LibDems couldn't get a deal. It's (on the face of it) a pretty mediocre budget on which the Greens have sold out. Tory dogma did for them. Being too quick to jump the gun did for Labour. Liberal goodwill was wasted. Not a great advert for the budget process. The SNP get all they want and the Greens very, very little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Mair nonsense! http://www.snp.org/_scotbudget_what_you_need_to_know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Mair nonsense! http://www.snp.org/_scotbudget_what_you_need_to_know Of course the SNP will say it's a good budget, it's theirs! What next, Greens think fracking is bad? Tories want tax cuts? Labour want a higher top rate? Pope a Catholic? :haha: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 (edited) Mair nonsense! http://www.snp.org/_scotbudget_what_you_need_to_know you've got to be able to see through this surely.. the SNP are boasting about spending as if it's their money "we". basically boasting about spending more money than we have and presenting it as some sort of good deal for the people.. And in your independence dream world, all of this would end because Scotland wouldnt have a pot to piss in - no more Westminster fund to sibsidise our embarrassing monster defecit... and all the SNP drones lap it up. I swear IQ tests should be mandatory before your allowed a vote, or votes weighted against a moron scale. Edited February 2, 2017 by kingantti1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 you've got to be able to see through this surely.. the SNP are boasting about spending as if it's their money "we". basically boating about spending more money than we have and presenting it as some sort of good deal And in your independence dream world, all of this would end because Scotland wouldnt have a pot to piss in - no more Westminster fund to fund our monster defecit... and all the SNP drones lap it up.. I swear IQ tests should be mandatory before your allowed a vote, or votes weighted against a moron scale. See through what? We get our annual pocket money from Westminster and spend it wisely, putting Scottish needs first. Might have some left over for a 10p mix out the chippy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 you've got to be able to see through this surely.. the SNP are boasting about spending as if it's their money "we". basically boasting about spending more money than we have and presenting it as some sort of good deal for the people.. And in your independence dream world, all of this would end because Scotland wouldnt have a pot to piss in - no more Westminster fund to sibsidise our embarrassing monster defecit... and all the SNP drones lap it up. I swear IQ tests should be mandatory before your allowed a vote, or votes weighted against a moron scale. So I see. Moron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 So I see. Moron It's all they've got. All they ever say. Too wee, too poor, too stupid. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/why-an-independent-scotland-could-become-the-richest-country-on-earth-9096120.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 It's all they've got. All they ever say. Too wee, too poor, too stupid. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/why-an-independent-scotland-could-become-the-richest-country-on-earth-9096120.html I know, bud.Did you read about tankboys fratricide rant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 I know, bud. Did you read about tankboys fratricide rant. Yup, Davidson and Mundell are an actual embarrassment to our nation, the only thing they are thinking about is their own careers now within the UKIP lite party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 See through what? We get our annual pocket money from Westminster and spend it wisely, putting Scottish needs first. Might have some left over for a 10p mix out the chippy. Our annual pocket money is between 4 and 5 times higher than the UK per head of population. Yet despite this undeniable fact (if if could be arsed I'd post quotes from your glorious leader directly) , and with absolutely no sense of how this gap would be resolved ( see Greece - Germany won't be funding it) you maintain this pipe dream would somehow be good for Scottish people, thankfully 55% (and rising) are not dumb enough to fall for the senseless nationalist propaganda that you 2 have bought into hook line and sinker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 (edited) Our annual pocket money is between 4 and 5 times higher than the UK per head of population. Yet despite this undeniable fact (if if could be arsed I'd post quotes from your glorious leader directly) , and with absolutely no sense of how this gap would be resolved ( see Greece - Germany won't be funding it) you maintain this pipe dream would somehow be good for Scottish people, thankfully 55% (and rising) are not dumb enough to fall for the senseless nationalist propaganda that you 2 have bought into hook line and sinker. 4 and 5 times now? Where do you get your info from? Edited February 2, 2017 by Space Mackerel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 4 and 5 times now? Where do you get your info from? http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2016/08/2132 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Our annual pocket money is between 4 and 5 times higher than the UK per head of population. Yet despite this undeniable fact (if if could be arsed I'd post quotes from your glorious leader directly) , and with absolutely no sense of how this gap would be resolved ( see Greece - Germany won't be funding it) you maintain this pipe dream would somehow be good for Scottish people, thankfully 55% (and rising) are not dumb enough to fall for the senseless nationalist propaganda that you 2 have bought into hook line and sinker.You actually talk shite, that's some trick. Maybe u should try to win BGT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 See through what? We get our annual pocket money from Westminster and spend it wisely, putting Scottish needs first. Might have some left over for a 10p mix out the chippy. Out of interest what other needs would the Scottish parliament spend money on? Also it is money raised in Scotland that is spent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2016/08/2132. I think you got the figures wrong way round? 1200 pounds per head extra i grant you . 12 800 compared to 11 600. This is why i think Scotland needs to be independent though so as to break state dependency . Scotland would prosper but not with the current tax and spend . Its also worth noting that much of a countries wealth is governed by national economics. There is wealth in this country. And its natural resources should not be so easily dismissed as just oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Out of interest what other needs would the Scottish parliament spend money on? Also it is money raised in Scotland that is spent. Aye a third of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Out of interest what other needs would the Scottish parliament spend money on? Also it is money raised in Scotland that is spent. Aye a third of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Out of interest what other needs would the Scottish parliament spend money on? Also it is money raised in Scotland that is spent. Aye a third of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 You actually talk shite, that's some trick. Maybe u should try to win BGT. as usual, when you've lost, deflect from the point made because you cannot challenge it, you can't challenge it because your party cannot and have not challenge the raw facts beyond saying don't worry it'll be all right if we are independent .. do the SNP hand out some sort of deflection handbook to all your cybernats. BTW just to clarify if there was an economic case for independence, which would afford greater opportunities for growth, I'd be all for it.. but there is not, not now anyway.. maybe if we could go back to 1979. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2016/08/2132 Love a good old GERS post. It's almost akin to saying what a pre and post Brexit UK would be like, but you know this right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 as usual, when you've lost, deflect from the point made because you cannot challenge it, you can't challenge it because your party cannot and have not challenge the raw facts beyond saying don't worry it'll be all right if we are independent .. do the SNP hand out some sort of deflection handbook to all your cybernats. BTW just to clarify if there was an economic case for independence, which would afford greater opportunities for growth, I'd be all for it.. but there is not, not now anyway.. maybe if we could go back to 1979. See when you left home and became an adult. Did your finances change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 . I think you got the figures wrong way round? 1200 pounds per head extra i grant you . 12 800 compared to 11 600. This is why i think Scotland needs to be independent though so as to break state dependency . Scotland would prosper but not with the current tax and spend . Its also worth noting that much of a countries wealth is governed by national economics. There is wealth in this country. And its natural resources should not be so easily dismissed as just oil. I didn't get it round the wrong way mate - our defecit against GDP is enormous and unsustainable. You've correctly called out there would need to be significant tax and spending changes which is my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Love a good old GERS post. It's almost akin to saying what a pre and post Brexit UK would be like, but you know this right? Deflect deflect deflect deflect - we aren't debating brexit on here, 2 wrongs don't make you right.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Deflect deflect deflect deflect - we aren't debating brexit on here, 2 wrongs don't make you right.. Brexit White Paper please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 as usual, when you've lost, deflect from the point made because you cannot challenge it, you can't challenge it because your party cannot and have not challenge the raw facts beyond saying don't worry it'll be all right if we are independent .. do the SNP hand out some sort of deflection handbook to all your cybernats. BTW just to clarify if there was an economic case for independence, which would afford greater opportunities for growth, I'd be all for it.. but there is not, not now anyway.. maybe if we could go back to 1979. There most definitely is a case for prosperity after independence. Not only economically but culturally also. You checked your own sums yet? Not being cheeky btw. Ive posted this case quite a few times but im happy to do it again. Politically it would require honesty from any future yes campaign and the embracing by the voters for less state support. It would require low taxation . But government could help with major infrastructure to less populated areas. But using private finance. Scotland has long been entrepreneurial until recent history. And in actual fact Scotland can never properly prosper as part of the UK. Or as part of the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Deflect deflect deflect deflect - we aren't debating brexit on here, 2 wrongs don't make you right.. Here it is That you hobbling about with the stick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 See when you left home and became an adult. Did your finances change? Yes enormously, I went to university and studied to establish myself in a line of work I knew would Afford me the opportunity to earn money. And I had a wedge in my pocket to buy a property before i took the plunge.. after a sneaky trip around the world for a year.. point is I had a plan.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Yes enormously, I went to university and studied to establish myself in a line of work I knew would Afford me the opportunity to earn money. And I had a wedge in my pocket to buy a property before i took the plunge.. after a sneaky trip around the world for a year.. point is I had a plan.. You've just answered your own post then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Brexit White Paper please? Did you read SNP white paper? But again not debating brexit which was a dumb move. but not as dumb as independence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Here it is That you hobbling about with the stick? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 You've just answered your own post then. What's the Independence plan? What currency we using? Where are we borrowing from to fund our current level of spending? Anyway - enough for tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Did you read SNP white paper? But again not debating brexit which was a dumb move. but not as dumb as independence Everyone makes out that an independent Scotland will be OK and probably more than OK, more OK than a Brexit England. But you keep reading the Daily Mail, Express, Hootsman and all the rest. Why keep us? We are subsidy junkies and always have been? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 I didn't get it round the wrong way mate - our defecit against GDP is enormous and unsustainable. You've correctly called out there would need to be significant tax and spending changes which is my point. Regards the sums you stated that spending levels were 4 or 5 times the amount spent in england per head. 9% more is more accurate. There is a liberal right wing economic case for Scottish independence. Its politically difficult in Scotland to get support for this. Also there is new thoughts on economics . Capitalism is the world we live and you should only spend what you can afford. I think Scotlands well placed to prosper for many reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 What's the Independence plan? What currency we using? Where are we borrowing from to fund our current level of spending? Anyway - enough for tonight Currency is a red herring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Regards the sums you stated that spending levels were 4 or 5 times the amount spent in england per head. 9% more is more accurate. There is a liberal right wing economic case for Scottish independence. Its politically difficult in Scotland to get support for this. Also there is new thoughts on economics . Capitalism is the world we live and you should only spend what you can afford. I think Scotlands well placed to prosper for many reasons. Well said jakey! Shame the daft ingrained Yoonys don't see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Well said jakey! Shame the daft ingrained Yoonys don't see it. Its no wonder though. The economic case is what lost the referendum. It was a shambles. The trouble is that the case for prosperity will not sit well for a lot of yes voters. Imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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