Beast Boy Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 I wonder if that comment a few pages back saying the distillery werent happy had anything to do with this extra work that no one has agreed to pay for. This occurred to me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 I don't think the Distillery is in the right location anymore. Obviously there would have been a time when it was ( suppose that there's a clue in Wheatfield Street! ) but get them to **** now. The City expands Westward, the area is no longer industrial, housing and recreation required in brownfield sites. Government support to put their plant, ethanol tanks included out beside their warehouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 I don't think the Distillery is in the right location anymore. Obviously there would have been a time when it was ( suppose that there's a clue in Wheatfield Street! ) but get them to **** now. The City expands Westward, the area is no longer industrial, housing and recreation required in brownfield sites. Government support to put their plant, ethanol tanks included out beside their warehouse. They were there first and no-one is going to pay for them to move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 They were there first and no-one is going to pay for them to move. On my list should I win the lottery jackpot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 They were there first and no-one is going to pay for them to move. Not even for the greater good ? It's in the wrong place, the City is growing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) Not even for the greater good ? It's in the wrong place, the City is growing. It may be something for a future council's agenda if they ever want to restrict HGVs in the city. A fair few bomb it down Robertson Av or taking a tight left off Gorgie Road onto Wheatfield road and you have to watch yer toes if you're waiting to cross. Edited January 10, 2017 by kila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 They were there first and no-one is going to pay for them to move. Yep, and they're owned by Diageo who had a net profit of more than 2 billion for the last reported 12 months - they won't be pushed around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasavallan Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Yep, and they're owned by Diageo who had a net profit of more than 2 billion for the last reported 12 months - they won't be pushed aroundOnly 50%. Edrington Group (Famous Grouse, The Macallan, etc.) own the other 50% Back in the day when Romanov had grand designs, there was plans for the NBD to move to a new green field site located on the west of the by-pass. Then the markets crashed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 On my list should I win the lottery jackpot Will have to be Euro Mills but in principle I'm with you on this one. Might be cheaper just to give you guys contracts to make WHNC weekly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 going back, the LED lights sounds a good plan, but I agree with others that there is little incentive for the club to change at the moment while the current floodlights work. But I would love us to be able to have control over the lights and do it like they do at Murrayfield. We could even (and i know this could sound cheesy) if we had the lights and being LED have just before the teams come out most the lights go dark while some go maroon and if we do get the screens for the stadium, bring up the badge and have it beating with a heart beat playing over the sound system. Speaking of which, has anyone heard anymore about the screens? Back at the beginning of May, it was mentioned at the public meetings that they would hope to have screens or score board up within 11 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Fox Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 What contribution have Cruden Homes been asked to make to build their 5 storey flatted development opposite the old school? You might even be able to see the tanks from the top flats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Only 50%. Edrington Group (Famous Grouse, The Macallan, etc.) own the other 50% Back in the day when Romanov had grand designs, there was plans for the NBD to move to a new green field site located on the west of the by-pass. Then the markets crashed. I stand corrected, let's send round the boys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Fox Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) Crudens? That builder from Musselburgh or should I say Fisherrow? Are they still trading? They used to have impressive premises near to Halls Motors (a top garage selling BLMC, Austin, Morris etc cars). Thought they (Crudens) were wound up and housing built on their site? But my knowledge is probably out of date! Anyone for Miller Homes?' Edited January 10, 2017 by Jambo-Fox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo, Goodbye Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I hope there's at least one wife, or no one will look at the instructions, it will get built and they'll be left with a part that no one knows what to do with. Be quite nice having a mini Eiffel Tower outside the stadium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboozy Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 (edited) I hope there's at least one wife, or no one will look at the instructions, it will get built and they'll be left with a part that no one knows what to do with.the big wooden dowels that should join the metal tubular sections will end up rattling around some ones garage drawer! I think that the tree was used to make the dowels myself. Edited January 11, 2017 by jamboozy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 the big wooden dowels that should join the metal tubular sections will end up rattling around some ones garage drawer! I think that the tree was used to make the dowels myself.Yup and we will end up losing the wee allen key! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Sifter Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I'd like to know more about the screens too. As sad as it sounds, this part of the development excited me more than any other! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboozy Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Yup and we will end up losing the wee allen key!lol, I used to do fitted kitchens ot of MFI, and I had about 50 of those things in my tool box:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paulo Sergio Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I'd like to know more about the screens too. As sad as it sounds, this part of the development excited me more than any other! Me 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bill Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Could it be that TV screens come later should we raise the full ?11-12M? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Sifter Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Me 2. Haha was away to give it the big f u until I scrolled down there :-) Im gonny try and get a couple of pics today. Hopefully a wee bit progress with the truss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bill Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Haha was away to give it the big f u until I scrolled down there :-) Im gonny try and get a couple of pics today. Hopefully a wee bit progress with the truss. Arty, soft-focus Instagram shots or GTF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Be quite nice having a mini Eiffel Tower outside the stadium We could maybe pour some concrete over Greenginger when he is on one of his numerous spying trips to act as foundations for the tower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paulo Sergio Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Haha was away to give it the big f u until I scrolled down there :-) Im gonny try and get a couple of pics today. Hopefully a wee bit progress with the truss. Good stuff mate, love seeing all the pics you and others post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strachsuit Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Have heard from a source at the council that the Health & Safety Executive are insisting that the wall required to be built for the ethanol at the brewery needs to be more substantial than originally planned. Cost for the wall is an extra ?150K approx. So there is a standoff between HSE and the club. The council are in full support of the club and trying to assist. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk An extra ?150k! How much is this wall costing us in total? Is it gold-plated? I know that it will have to be a substantial wall due to the purpose of it, with blast-proofing etc but that as an additional cost seems crazy. Anyone got any ideas as to the size and length of the wall? I must admit I have zero idea about this sort of thing, but going on very rough estimates a 70m x 3m standard wall (house-building type) should cost ?80/m2 so you're looking at ?16,800 before labour. So what, maybe ?30k total? How long does it take to build a wall of this size? I might be answering my own question here but it's surely because of the specialist material required that the cost is so astronomical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.T.K Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 An extra ?150k! How much is this wall costing us in total? Is it gold-plated? I know that it will have to be a substantial wall due to the purpose of it, with blast-proofing etc but that as an additional cost seems crazy. Anyone got any ideas as to the size and length of the wall? I must admit I have zero idea about this sort of thing, but going on very rough estimates a 70m x 3m standard wall (house-building type) should cost ?80/m2 so you're looking at ?16,800 before labour. So what, maybe ?30k total? How long does it take to build a wall of this size? I might be answering my own question here but it's surely because of the specialist material required that the cost is so astronomical. How much would it cost to just relocate the tanks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 How much would it cost to just relocate the tanks? For the life of me I just cannot believe that the Council gave them planning permission to locate these tanks next to an existing School and football stadium in the first place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 For the life of me I just cannot believe that the Council gave them planning permission to locate these tanks next to an existing School and football stadium in the first place!Brown envelope and a bottle of 50 year old malt would do that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paulo Sergio Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Brown envelope and a bottle of 50 year old malt would do that! With enough money we could have built a 10k stand! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamborello Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Regarding the distillery wall, the bigger concern is that under our agreement with the council we cannot start any further work after the installation of the truss until the situation is resolved to the HSE's satisfaction. The longer the discussions drag on, the longer it will be until we can start construction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Crudens? That builder from Musselburgh or should I say Fisherrow? Are they still trading? They used to have impressive premises near to Halls Motors (a top garage selling BLMC, Austin, Morris etc cars). Thought they (Crudens) were wound up and housing built on their site? But my knowledge is probably out of date! Anyone for Miller Homes?' http://www.cruden-ltd.co.uk/crudenhomes/citywest Next to the prison officers club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scabber Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Regarding the distillery wall, the bigger concern is that under our agreement with the council we cannot start any further work after the installation of the truss until the situation is resolved to the HSE's satisfaction. The longer the discussions drag on, the longer it will be until we can start construction.I thought we were allowed at the moment to complete all the foundations , steelwork and glass frontage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Regarding the distillery wall, the bigger concern is that under our agreement with the council we cannot start any further work after the installation of the truss until the situation is resolved to the HSE's satisfaction. The longer the discussions drag on, the longer it will be until we can start construction. Greenginger is now chugging himself into a frenzy!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 How much would it cost to just relocate the tanks? ~?2m was the last number I saw floated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trotter Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 An extra ?150k! How much is this wall costing us in total? Is it gold-plated? I know that it will have to be a substantial wall due to the purpose of it, with blast-proofing etc but that as an additional cost seems crazy. Anyone got any ideas as to the size and length of the wall? I must admit I have zero idea about this sort of thing, but going on very rough estimates a 70m x 3m standard wall (house-building type) should cost ?80/m2 so you're looking at ?16,800 before labour. So what, maybe ?30k total? How long does it take to build a wall of this size? I might be answering my own question here but it's surely because of the specialist material required that the cost is so astronomical. It depends on what the wall is actually for. 1) If it is just for improving/replacing the existing bund walls, then some bricks and mortar will do (quite cheap) 2) If it is for protection from thermal radiation in the event of a fire, then you need to use firebrick or some other refractory material (slightly less cheap) 3) If it is for blast protection then we are talking massive foundations, reinforced concrete and a lot of design work (expensive) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandjambo3 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 And where the Fek is todays pictures eh!! Won't be able to sleep tonight now........... Might be a wee bit windy tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboy1982 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scabber Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 It depends on what the wall is actually for. 1) If it is just for improving/replacing the existing bund walls, then some bricks and mortar will do (quite cheap) 2) If it is for protection from thermal radiation in the event of a fire, then you need to use firebrick or some other refractory material (slightly less cheap) 3) If it is for blast protection then we are talking massive foundations, reinforced concrete and a lot of design work (expensive) If its three why is it only hearts that are having to pay for this catastrophic scenario yet a high school and flats that are just across the road are exempt. i know its all about zones but if these tanks were to go up would they not take half of gorgie with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Order Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 And where the Fek is todays pictures eh!! Won't be able to sleep tonight now........... Might be a wee bit windy tbh I didn't bother today as I can't imagine there would be much done in this weather bar maybe bashing on with the temp supports. I'm passing tomorrow though so there will be a few pics going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trotter Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 If its three why is it only hearts that are having to pay for this catastrophic scenario yet a high school and flats that are just across the road are exempt. i know its all about zones but if these tanks were to go up would they not take half of gorgie with them. Because the school and flats are already there, appropriate measures would have been taken at the time to ensure all is well. However, laws/regulations change over time, and also take into account that there are a lot more people in the stadium that could potentially be affected than the school. Everytime a new development is proposed, the risks are looked at again in line with current standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 (edited) Because the school and flats are already there, appropriate measures would have been taken at the time to ensure all is well. However, laws/regulations change over time, and also take into account that there are a lot more people in the stadium that could potentially be affected than the school. Everytime a new development is proposed, the risks are looked at again in line with current standards. The school was there, and a stadium (at the time) holding crowds of up to 24,000, when these tanks were put in. Just goes to show that Health & Safety hadn't been invented back then....... Edited January 11, 2017 by Thomaso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scabber Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Because the school and flats are already there, appropriate measures would have been taken at the time to ensure all is well. However, laws/regulations change over time, and also take into account that there are a lot more people in the stadium that could potentially be affected than the school. Everytime a new development is proposed, the risks are looked at again in line with current standards.The school has been built a couple ofyears at most and the flats are just being built Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 The school has been built a couple ofyears at most and the flats are just being built The old high school was there years before they built the tanks - I just find it unbelievable that the Council would give them permission to place hazardous tanks only yards from it - regardless of the regulations at that time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trotter Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 The school has been built a couple ofyears at most and the flats are just being built Sorry, I thought you meant the existing ones. The school is a lot further away than the stadium, and it only hold what, 1000 people maximum? Not too sure on the flats, but I suspect that it is again something to do with distance and occupancy. Whatever studies were done at the time, obviously concluded that the existing wall/other safety features were sufficient for the flats and school. H&S doesn't always make logical sense, but we have to deal with the world as it is, not as we wish it to be. So in our case, if we need to help pay for a wall, then that's what we have to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scabber Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 The old high school was there years before they built the tanks - I just find it unbelievable that the Council would give them permission to place hazardous tanks only yards from it - regardless of the regulations at that time!Yes i agree i know its incredible what some companies get away with in built up areas, because they have been there for years. They spin the old story if they dont get what they want they will close down because its uneconomic to contiue. bingo they virtually get to do what they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 (edited) And where the Fek is todays pictures eh!! Won't be able to sleep tonight now........... Just a couple from today. Looks like they are working on the supporting framework for the truss assembly. They are fairly substantial frames and I assume that the truss will be assembled through the frames, before they are removed and the completed truss is hoisted into place. Edited January 11, 2017 by Footballfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian Lambretta Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Guy with the Orange jacket on the left hand side of the bottom picture is just standing around Wage Thief. Just a couple from today. Looks like they are working on the supporting framework for the truss assembly. They are fairly substantial frames and I assume that the truss will be assembled through the frames, before they are removed and the completed truss is hoisted into place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Guy with the Orange jacket on the left hand side of the bottom picture is just standing around Wage Thief. If you zoom in, it's Oshaniwa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trotter Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Yes i agree i know its incredible what some companies get away with in built up areas, because they have been there for years. They spin the old story if they dont get what they want they will close down because its uneconomic to contiue. bingo they virtually get to do what they want. Again, that is not how it works at all. If companies actually did that and something bad happened, and it was subsequently proven in a court of law that they were negligent (which is exactly what would happen) they would get utterly, utterly hammered by the law. Think of it the other way round, if NBR or MS wanted to expand, and it was shown that it was a reasonable thing to do in the wider context of Gorgie/society/etc would you be happy with them making us pick up the costs for any subsequent work needed to be done to the stadium? This idea on here that HSE are somehow in cahoots with NBR to ream the club, kill the project and kill everybody is simply astonishing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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