New Stand: Ongoing work (updated)

[DETTY29]

And a blog on the Tynecastle experience.

 

We got 74/100 v. Celtic 69/100 (need to scroll to the bottom) albeit our match was a far better one on the day.  4.3 v. St. Johnstone last season.

 

http://heartofmidlothian-tynecastlestadium.blogspot.co.uk/

[henry]

Once heated up they could go off and on fairly quickly but that kind of thing would shorten the bulbs' lifespan hugely.

 

As someone said LEDs would work but the initial expense is pretty big. However, they last much much longer and use less leccy so the investment would be worth it in the long run.

I guess there's no point making the investment while the current bulbs are still working though.

The floodlights maybe meet a minimum criteria however watching games on tv from Tynecastle it doesn't look very bright, it's as if we need more lights. Should be easy enough to add more lights? I don't think the tv viewer gets Tynie in its full glory It looks dull with a horrific surface.

[DETTY29]

I can't find any clear photos of the floodlights at Tynecastle but at a rough guess each pylon has 6 rows by 5 columns, which 120 lamps all told.

 

Could you give a rough view on replacing and running costs?

 

Murrayfield has been credited (Jhn Inverdale mind) as having the best night 'lights out' ceremony in rugby.  Couple of videos with Scott Wilson as stadium announcer.  There was one I can't find where the announcer, again Wilson called out the team and their faces came up on the big screens but I can't find.

 

 

 

As a PS - the Edinburgh Hogmanay Fireworks were outstanding this year.  Not just the expensive fireworks but all the lighting across the sky and on the castle rock, which surely wouldn't be that expensive.

 

 

I am an authority on stadium/city/ illumination.. it's my job .. glad to pass on info

[jamboinglasgow]

Back on topic.... who is on picture taking duty today?

I echo this

[David McCaig]

The floodlights maybe meet a minimum criteria however watching games on tv from Tynecastle it doesn't look very bright, it's as if we need more lights. Should be easy enough to add more lights? I don't think the tv viewer gets Tynie in its full glory It looks dull with a horrific surface.

I don't think all of the bulbs are currently working... This certainly seemed to be the case on the pylon between the Gorgie and Wheatfield stands at the last couple of home matches.

[Disco Dave]

No doubt LEDs are the way to go, as they aid modern TV broadcasts (4K). I wonder if there are plans to do that - around 30% cost savings on energy.

 

Traditional HIDs are slightly warmer in colour though and I prefer that (though some LEDs do have warmer temperatures they are using filters and still have a colder tint).

Surprised H1b5 didn't get in there first with this one.  Them being the pioneers of floodlights and all that.

[DETTY29]

We have that with the new LED floodlighting at Middlesbrough. Personally I find it pointless, cos I'm only there for the football, but I can see how other folk enjoy them.

 

Edit - loads of other posts about this kind of thing, kind of makes my post pointless. Should read the whole thread before posting.

I get where you are coming from, but considering football is the sport with the biggest revenue and revenue across the world (ok not so sure where American sports are) we aren't half behind the curve ball in terms of pre match entertainment and razzmatazz.  Ruby have been doing it brilliantly for years. darts and the walk on, and now up to the Masters 1000 Series in tennis.

Edited January 10, 2017 by DETTY29

[Rudy T]

I don't think all of the bulbs are currently working... This certainly seemed to be the case on the pylon between the Gorgie and Wheatfield stands at the last couple of home matches.

It's a pity any of them were working at the Aberdeen game!

[henry]

I don't think all of the bulbs are currently working... This certainly seemed to be the case on the pylon between the Gorgie and Wheatfield stands at the last couple of home matches.

I don't notice it at the game however when you watch on tv it looks dull. Doesn't make things look attractive to people sitting at home.

[GJamboR7]

They don't seem to need it - they even pulled off the Icelandic chant

The Icelandic chant is utter dug shite.

[scabber]

The Icelandic chant is utter dug shite.

Yes. totally agree utter crap. cringeworthy doesnt come close

[scabber]

The Icelandic chant is utter dug shite.

Yes. totally agree utter crap. cringeworthy doesnt come close

[kila]

I don't notice it at the game however when you watch on tv it looks dull. Doesn't make things look attractive to people sitting at home.

 

Looks fine to me under the floodlights on TV. Pitch in the winter will be less green so maybe that's why you think it looks dull.

 

Having trouble seeing these goals? Watch other SPFL videos on their channel for games at Ibrox and Celtic Park under the floodlights, doesn't look brighter to me, just a greener pitch.

 

[sam?]

I can't find any clear photos of the floodlights at Tynecastle but at a rough guess each pylon has 6 rows by 5 columns, which 120 lamps all told.

 

Could you give a rough view on replacing and running costs?

 

Murrayfield has been credited (Jhn Inverdale mind) as having the best night 'lights out' ceremony in rugby. Couple of videos with Scott Wilson as stadium announcer. There was one I can't find where the announcer, again Wilson called out the team and their faces came up on the big screens but I can't find.

 

 

 

As a PS - the Edinburgh Hogmanay Fireworks were outstanding this year. Not just the expensive fireworks but all the lighting across the sky and on the castle rock, which surely wouldn't be that expensive.

To give some lay comparative figures:

 

If tynecastle has 120 per pylon x 4 gives us 480, 1500 watt metal halide fittings on for say 4 hours on a midweek winter fixture.

 

Electric cost runs around 11p per kw/hr therefore:

 

480 x 1500 = 720 kw @ 4 hrs = 2880 kw/hrs

 

2880 x 0.11 = ?316.80 per game or ?79 per hour

 

LED's run 66% more efficiently = ?107.71 saving per game or ?26.92 per hour saving when floods are on

 

Factoring in the maintenance costs and lifespan of led fittings being far superior than that of traditional lights leds are the way forward ..

 

There are also no start up surges when turned on as with traditional lighting which would end the failures of local substation fuses blowing from heavy demand on start up or during,which we have seen at pittodrie recently and many other night games. Even one of our own towers caught fire on match day a couple of years back.

 

Leds can dim, change colour, strobe effect and other things, putting very little stress on the local infrastructure which could maybe allow for the murrayfield effects. But obviously specialists would put there stamp on that.

 

Over a number of years this could be a very effective saving. Not very many modern stadia have corner floodlights.. it is very dated .. there is UEFA directive covering these things nowadays with graded stadium lighting for shadow casting and tv coverage!!! Modern stadia lighting should be along stand trusses to meet UEFA grade a requirements

 

 

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[The Natural Order]

Back on topic.... who is on picture taking duty today?

Oh, OK then!

 

Not much new today.

 

 

 

 

[redm]

Just one guy, working his wee socks off. Single-handedly building us a new stand. What a trooper.

[Stuart Lyon]

See post 2193 for Phillips LED flood lights

[highlandjambo3]

how many posts on here before the first game with new stand.................... id guess around 50k

[kila]

Wonder how long it'll take to weld it together? 2 weeks for it to be on schedule

[scabber]

Usually on a project this size you would expect site offices and welfare cabins, toilets, canteen, drying, etc. there appears to be none of these are they using the main stand just now.

[August Landmesser]

Usually on a project this size you would expect site offices and welfare cabins, toilets, canteen, drying, etc. there appears to be none of these are they using the main stand just now.

Definite H&S issue there for Greenginger to investigate...

[Buffalo Bill]

how many posts on here before the first game with new stand.................... id guess around 50k

 

 

CVA thread had over 5,000 posts and nearly half a million views, but this should beat it between now and September, and beyond, once it's complete.

 

 

Biggest saddos on this thread so far (post count):

 

Mikey1874 115 The Earl of Mothsbery 114 kila 110 farin 109 Thomaso 84 jonnothejambo 72 Buffalo Bill 68 Lucille's Thirsty 55 davemclaren 51 Mr Sifter 49

 

 

Get a life, lads, eh!

[Thomaso]

how many posts on here before the first game with new stand.................... id guess around 50k

 

First game 2/9/17 = 30 weeks = 210 days

 

50k = 238 posts per day!  

[Mars plastic]

Wonder how long it'll take to weld it together? 2 weeks for it to be on schedule

I did say a few pages back it would be the 3rd week in January before it was up.

[Thomaso]

Wonder how long it'll take to weld it together? 2 weeks for it to be on schedule

 

Programmed to be complete by 25/1/17

[Thomaso]

CVA thread had over 5,000 posts and nearly half a million views, but this should beat it between now and September, and beyond, once it's complete.

 

 

Biggest saddos on this thread so far (post count):

 

Mikey1874 115 The Earl of Mothsbery 114 kila 110 farin 109 Thomaso 84 jonnothejambo 72 Buffalo Bill 68 Lucille's Thirsty 55 davemclaren 51 Mr Sifter 49

 

 

Get a life, lads, eh!

 

Hey  - sharing some important construction info!  

[Tazio]

To give some lay comparative figures:

 

If tynecastle has 120 per pylon x 4 gives us 480, 1500 watt metal halide fittings on for say 4 hours on a midweek winter fixture.

 

Electric cost runs around 11p per kw/hr therefore:

 

480 x 1500 = 720 kw @ 4 hrs = 2880 kw/hrs

 

2880 x 0.11 = ?316.80 per game or ?79 per hour

 

LED's run 66% more efficiently = ?107.71 saving per game or ?26.92 per hour saving when floods are on

 

Factoring in the maintenance costs and lifespan of led fittings being far superior than that of traditional lights leds are the way forward ..

 

There are also no start up surges when turned on as with traditional lighting which would end the failures of local substation fuses blowing from heavy demand on start up or during,which we have seen at pittodrie recently and many other night games. Even one of our own towers caught fire on match day a couple of years back.

 

Leds can dim, change colour, strobe effect and other things, putting very little stress on the local infrastructure which could maybe allow for the murrayfield effects. But obviously specialists would put there stamp on that.

 

Over a number of years this could be a very effective saving. Not very many modern stadia have corner floodlights.. it is very dated .. there is UEFA directive covering these things nowadays with graded stadium lighting for shadow casting and tv coverage!!! Modern stadia lighting should be along stand trusses to meet UEFA grade a requirements

 

 

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I'd be amazed if they were 1500w discharge lamps in that kind of quantity. 720Kw would be a power requirement north of 3000 amps. 

[Hearts of Vladland]

I'd be amazed if they were 1500w discharge lamps in that kind of quantity. 720Kw would be a power requirement north of 3000 amps.

There is around 36 per pylon, nowhere near the 120 he quoted. The lights will probably be 2kW light fittings though, more common in floodlighting installs.

 

Edit: there is 42 per pylon

Edited January 10, 2017 by Hearts of Vladland

[Fxxx the SPFL]

I did say a few pages back it would be the 3rd week in January before it was up.

bollocks mines was up last week, first time for a long time.   but didn't last long 

[jambos are go!]

Remember the terracing at Tannadice?

Was like the north face of the Eiger.

But what a great viewing platform. Stood there at the six five game. If not too crowded you could sit and still get a great view.

[Radio Ga Ga]

I'd be amazed if they were 1500w discharge lamps in that kind of quantity. 720Kw would be a power requirement north of 3000 amps.

 

I agree, it's been years since I dealt with the power at Tynecastle but if memory serves me correctly, I thing the authorised Supply Capacity was around 300 kVA.

[kila]

This isn't the only main stand thread. There was other ones during the initial unveiling of plans, applications etc, need to include those in the overall page/post count!

[DETTY29]

It's also only 120 lamps.  30 per pylon.

I'd be amazed if they were 1500w discharge lamps in that kind of quantity. 720Kw would be a power requirement north of 3000 amps. 

Edited January 10, 2017 by DETTY29

[Governor Tarkin]

Does ER have a designated standing area?

No, but you know that's not what he was getting at.

[Radio Ga Ga]

It's also only 120 lamps.  30 per pylon.

How did you calculate that? 720KW over 3 phases and assuming a Power Factor of 0.9 is north of 1000amps, no?

[August Landmesser]

***Official Floodlight Bulb Count Thread*** needed imo

[We_are_the_Hearts]

***Official Floodlight Bulb Count Thread*** needed imo

Watt for? This thread is ample

[Governor Tarkin]

The Icelandic chant is utter dug shite.

It was alright when the Icelandic were doing it.

Pish at Easter Road the other night.

At least they made the effort though.

[Don Dan]

Watt for? This thread is ample

There's already a couple of Watt threads

[Bazzas right boot]

Just one guy, working his wee socks off. Single-handedly building us a new stand. What a trooper.

I need a hand putting up a single shelf as well.

This chap puts me to shame.

[Unknown user]

To give some lay comparative figures:

 

If tynecastle has 120 per pylon x 4 gives us 480, 1500 watt metal halide fittings on for say 4 hours on a midweek winter fixture.

 

Electric cost runs around 11p per kw/hr therefore:

 

480 x 1500 = 720 kw @ 4 hrs = 2880 kw/hrs

 

2880 x 0.11 = ?316.80 per game or ?79 per hour

 

LED's run 66% more efficiently = ?107.71 saving per game or ?26.92 per hour saving when floods are on

 

Factoring in the maintenance costs and lifespan of led fittings being far superior than that of traditional lights leds are the way forward ..

 

There are also no start up surges when turned on as with traditional lighting which would end the failures of local substation fuses blowing from heavy demand on start up or during,which we have seen at pittodrie recently and many other night games. Even one of our own towers caught fire on match day a couple of years back.

 

Leds can dim, change colour, strobe effect and other things, putting very little stress on the local infrastructure which could maybe allow for the murrayfield effects. But obviously specialists would put there stamp on that.

 

Over a number of years this could be a very effective saving. Not very many modern stadia have corner floodlights.. it is very dated .. there is UEFA directive covering these things nowadays with graded stadium lighting for shadow casting and tv coverage!!! Modern stadia lighting should be along stand trusses to meet UEFA grade a requirements

 

 

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Divide it all by 4 chief, your man's already multiplied it;

 

6 x 5 per corner he reckoned, so 30 per corner, 120 in total.

I don't know if that's correct or realistic but I'm pretty sure that's what he was getting at

[Locky]

Loving seeing the updates on this.

[DETTY29]

Yep.  But it was from a not very great google photo.  At worst it might be 5 x 7 instead of 5 x 6.

Divide it all by 4 chief, your man's already multiplied it;

6 x 5 per corner he reckoned, so 30 per corner, 120 in total.
I don't know if that's correct or realistic but I'm pretty sure that's what he was getting at

[Hearts_fan]

 

 

 

 

 

Those open pipes need protecting from foreign objects.

Edited January 10, 2017 by Hearts_fan

[kila]

Looks to be 42 bulbs to me:

 

[August Landmesser]

Watt for? This thread is ample

So many floodlight comments, it's getting too bulbous...

[The Natural Order]

Looks to be 42 bulbs to me:

 

44. 8 rows of 5, 2 at the top and 2 at the bottom.

[The Natural Order]

Those open pipes need protecting from foreign objects.

That's just the join between sections. The ends are closed.

[sam?]

Apologies with calcs I believed the chap who asked for rough calculation said there were 120 lamps (not bulbs) per pylon.. opposed to total ..

 

Just divide by four and will give you closer to the correct loading.

 

I did say some "lay" compartitive figures .. I have no knowledge of tynecastle grid supply requirements.

 

Sorry if some expect exact .. rough calculation was asked for and i provided.

 

LED is the way forward in all lighting worldwide floods are no exception

[jambo-in-furness]

That's just the join between sections. The ends are closed.

I think you're missing the point ie "foreign objects"