Sturgeon shelves plan for quick second Scottish independence referendum

[deesidejambo]

200 people? Hahaha

Indeed.   Maybe they'll get 210 tomorrow.     

[Gorgiewave]

The People's Revolution:

 

[Space Mackerel]

If Brexit was won on immigration, then those who voted in that fashion will be disappointed.

Correct.

 

 

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[Space Mackerel]

It's all set out in the Queens Speech - read it yourself.

 

How about you answering the original question I posed "what is fundamentally different between Scotland and other component parts of the UK? Could some Independence lover out there please just answer that?"

So you don't know. Does anyone know?

 

How's this for fundamentally different?

 

 

 

 

 

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[Space Mackerel]

Or this?

 

 

 

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[aussieh]

But the fact remains that if Labour switched to Indy they would not gain many new voters but they certainly would lose some. Most of Govan for an example.

 

So they won't take that chance.

Govan?

[deesidejambo]

Govan?

Yes Govan as an example.

 

Govan is known to have a large number of strong Unionists allied to a certain ex football club. They are also Labour voters.

 

If Labour change to Indy these folk are less likely to vote Labour in future.

 

So its simple - Labour won't gain any votes by changing to Indy but they will certainly lose some.

 

So they won't do it.

[Boris]

Yes Govan as an example.

Govan is known to have a large number of strong Unionists allied to a certain ex football club. They are also Labour voters.

If Labour change to Indy these folk are less likely to vote Labour in future.

So its simple - Labour won't gain any votes by changing to Indy but they will certainly lose some.

So they won't do it.

Is that the same Govan that returns the SNP at Holyrood and Westminster?

[deesidejambo]

Is that the same Govan that returns the SNP at Holyrood and Westminster?

Yes the same one. You assume that nobody at all voted Labour in that day.

 

The fact remains that Labour will lose voter share if they switch.

 

Do you dispute that?

[aussieh]

Yes Govan as an example.

 

Govan is known to have a large number of strong Unionists allied to a certain ex football club. They are also Labour voters.

 

If Labour change to Indy these folk are less likely to vote Labour in future.

 

So its simple - Labour won't gain any votes by changing to Indy but they will certainly lose some.

 

So they won't do it.

I might have believed you, if you said brigton.

[aussieh]

Yes Govan as an example.

 

Govan is known to have a large number of strong Unionists allied to a certain ex football club. They are also Labour voters.

 

If Labour change to Indy these folk are less likely to vote Labour in future.

 

So its simple - Labour won't gain any votes by changing to Indy but they will certainly lose some.

 

So they won't do it.

Labour voters are socialist not unionist, the Scottish tories are the only unionists in Scotland. A pity they chose toryism, they should've stayed the unionist party.

[aussieh]

Yes the same one. You assume that nobody at all voted Labour in that day.

 

The fact remains that Labour will lose voter share if they switch.

 

Do you dispute that?

Yes, I do. They'd have lost them already.

[deesidejambo]

Yes, I do. They'd have lost them already.

The question was to Boris.

 

Where will Labs extra votes come from if they change to Indy Boris?

 

What will the current Unionist Labour voters do Boris?

[aussieh]

The question was to Boris.

 

Where will Labs extra votes come from if they change to Indy Boris?

 

What will the current Unionist Labour voters do Boris?

Oooooooooooohhhhh, I'm so sorry I replied to your post.

[Space Mackerel]

The question was to Boris.

 

Where will Labs extra votes come from if they change to Indy Boris?

 

What will the current Unionist Labour voters do Boris?

500 million world wide type argument.

[deesidejambo]

500 million world wide type argument.

Feel free to answer it.

 

You can't though. If Lab switch they will lose voter share.

[aussieh]

Feel free to answer it.

 

You can't though. If Lab switch they will lose voter share.

No they won't, they'll gain from the SNP after Indy and become the first government of Scotland.

But you don't want to hear that do you.

 

OH Shute, I've replied to you again.

 

Sorry

[Space Mackerel]

Feel free to answer it.

 

You can't though. If Lab switch they will lose voter share.

You're saying that the whole of Govan are The Rangers fans and mulling over what?

[deesidejambo]

No they won't, they'll gain from the SNP after Indy and become the first government of Scotland.

But you don't want to hear that do you.

 

OH Shute, I've replied to you again.

 

Sorry

But they need to change before Indy. In which Cas they lose voter share. Silly bou

[deesidejambo]

You're saying that the whole of Govan are The Rangers fans and mulling over what?

I'm saying if Lab convert to Indu they will lose voter share. You disagree that's fine

 

I await Borises response

[Space Mackerel]

I'm saying if Lab convert to Indu they will lose voter share. You disagree that's fine

 

I await Borises response

Most of Labour have already changed over hence why they are 3rd and on less then the Torys now.

[deesidejambo]

Most of Labour have already changed over hence why they are 3rd and on less then the Torys now.

Most but not all, Lab won't take the chance of any more loss.

[Space Mackerel]

Most but not all, Lab won't take the chance of any more loss.

You mean Labours new strategy would be to try and steal votes off the Torys in Scotland?

 

That's the most ridiculous thing said on this thread to date now.

[Thaw]

I think it will happen more or less once the Brexit agreement is struck.  To do so before would be wrong, imo, because it would allow everyone to see how the future of the UK outwith of the EU was going to pan out.  Or at least have a better idea of this.

 

Like JD & Coke above, had YES won on 55/45 I'd have been uncomfortable too.  What is emphatic?  60%+, although were we to vote for independence anything over 67%+ would be truly emphatic, imo.

 

Reasonable. Worth pointing out that this means Remain's margin of victory in Scotland was one that you, for one, hesitate to call emphatic, yet it is repeatedly referred to as 'overwhelming'. Is 'overwhelming' a less strong word than 'emphatic'?

[Thaw]

Or this?

 

 

 

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If these maps were properly representative, London would be displayed as larger than Scotland. Areas of empty land don't have a vote.

[Space Mackerel]

If these maps were properly representative, London would be displayed as larger than Scotland. Areas of empty land don't have a vote.

Now maps are "too wee and too stupid" now?

 

 

 

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[Space Mackerel]

 

33 + 21 equals ?

 

 

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[Thaw]

Now maps are "too wee and too stupid" now?

 

 

 

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This one, yes, or too big, depending on which way you look at it. You have become a leading candidate for my first use of the ignore function.

[Space Mackerel]

This one, yes, or too big, depending on which way you look at it. You have become a leading candidate for my first use of the ignore function.

Tip: stop posting guff and you won't get found out.

[Thunderstruck]

Tip: stop posting guff and you won't get found out.

Clearly based on your own considerable experience in posting "guff".

[deesidejambo]

You mean Labours new strategy would be to try and steal votes off the Torys in Scotland?

 

That's the most ridiculous thing said on this thread to date now.

That's not what I said at all. But as always you misrepresent.

 

Aussie says Labour will swap to an Indy stance.

 

I say they won't because it will lose them support from the Unionists who still vote Labour like myself for example and they will gain none from the SNP. Hence they won't do it.

 

We will see Who is right in time.

 

You just misinterpret and deflect.

[Space Mackerel]

That's not what I said at all. But as always you misrepresent.

Aussie says Labour will swap to an Indy stance.

I say they won't because it will lose them support from the Unionists who still vote Labour like myself for example and they will gain none from the SNP. Hence they won't do it.

We will see Who is right in time.

You just misinterpret and deflect.

I think the debate in Scottish Labour would be along something like should we support Devo Max or Independence.

[deesidejambo]

I think the debate in Scottish Labour would be along something like should we support Devo Max or Independence.

For once we agree. The safe option for them is Devo max

[Gorgiewave]

I think the debate in Scottish Labour would be along something like should we support Devo Max or Independence

I hope they're thinking of how to hand powers back to Westminster and start to close down the pretend, cuddly parliament.

[Gorgiewave]

This one, yes, or too big, depending on which way you look at it. You have become a leading candidate for my first use of the ignore function.

 

Strong posting.

[Arnold Rothstein]

 

33 + 21 equals ?

 

 

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What point are you making? Surely even you're not thick enough to think this suggests a 54% support for independence?

[Thaw]

Strong posting.

 

You wouldn't want to meet me in real life, I'd batter you.

[Gorgiewave]

You wouldn't want to meet me in real life, I'd batter you.

 

You're talking shit the size of Algeria, Thaw.

[Trapper John McIntyre]

You're talking shit the size of Algeria, Thaw.

 

 

I think he's being ironic, GW.

 

Concentrate on the real enemy.

[Gorgiewave]

I think he's being ironic, GW.

 

Concentrate on the real enemy.

 

Probably. He looks like he enjoys "irony."

 

Anyway, there won't be a second referendum. The gowd don't want it and would vote to remain in the Union.

 

In the UK, by order of the Scotch people.

[Gorgiewave]

It's pleasing to see no waverers on kickback. Trapper, deeside, Thunderstruck, et al. have been staunch since before the referendum and remain staunch. It's pleasing.

 

Did jambo1185 or whatever it was get elected? Has he reappeared?

[Thaw]

Probably. He looks like he enjoys "irony."

 

Anyway, there won't be a second referendum. The gowd don't want it and would vote to remain in the Union.

 

In the UK, by order of the Scotch people.

 

[Space Mackerel]

What point are you making? Surely even you're not thick enough to think this suggests a 54% support for independence?

Clearly debunks any theory's on here that there shouldn't be another referendum and "wee nippy" should abandon all thoughts about it?

[Australis]

What point are you making? Surely even you're not thick enough to think this suggests a 54% support for independence?

Anyone else think he is? scary stuff, glad we voted no last time when you see things like that.

[Space Mackerel]

Anyone else think he is? scary stuff, glad we voted no last time when you see things like that.

Poll was in The Sunday Times today

[Thunderstruck]

Anyone else think he is? scary stuff, glad we voted no last time when you see things like that.

Two schools of thought:

 

1. He is just a little slower getting along the change curve and, while most have got through denial and anger to acceptance, he is still somewhere between denial and anger. Or,

 

2. He is just a troll.

 

If it is the former, he hasn't learned from "his time in Her Majesty's Service" where any poor reaction to a change is met with a "get on with it, you soft t**t".

[Space Mackerel]

Two schools of thought:

1. He is just a little slower getting along the change curve and, while most have got through denial and anger to acceptance, he is still somewhere between denial and anger. Or,

2. He is just a troll.

If it is the former, he hasn't learned from "his time in Her Majesty's Service" where any poor reaction to a change is met with a "get on with it, you soft t**t".

Like I've just posted, the poll in The Sunday Times today means you're in the minority now with 46%.

 

So now we are all trolls and slower? Is this to add to the collection of too wee and too stupid?

[Gorgiewave]

The pressure is irresistible:

 

[Thunderstruck]

Like I've just posted, the poll in The Sunday Times today means you're in the minority now with 46%.

 

So now we are all trolls and slower? Is this to add to the collection of too wee and too stupid?

I can't speak to your physique but, if you think posting part of a graphic and then combining the result of two, separate questions to justify your position is convincing, you may may well have gotten into the gene pool when the lifeguard wasn't looking.

 

What was the result to the first question in the ST poll and in what direction is the trend moving.

 

Incidentally, Happy 2nd Anniversary.

[Space Mackerel]

I can't speak to your physique but, if you think posting part of a graphic and then combining the result of two, separate questions to justify your position is convincing, you may may well have gotten into the gene pool when the lifeguard wasn't looking.

 

What was the result to the first question in the ST poll and in what direction is the trend moving.

 

Incidentally, Happy 2nd Anniversary.

Trend is it's gone up from 45 to 48 percent in 2 years.

 

Keep taking the anti-delusional pills old bean.

 

 

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