Francis Albert Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Just been down the shops for the rolls and paper (The National of course) served by the friendly Polish lad and said hello to the owner of the Chinese takeaway on way out. I wasn't a ball of seething mess at this. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk as would the vast majority of so called little englanders. They wouldn't think of smugly congratulating themselves though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Comedian Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Link Mr Neil said around 400,000 of the million Scots who backed Brexit also supported independence and warned Ms Sturgeon?s prospectus of a separate Scotland leaving the UK to join the EU risked alienating them. He said: ?A proportion may not well vote for independence. Anecdotally a lot of them have hardened their position. A lot of them don?t understand why we don?t want to be run by London and would rather be run by Brussels.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 as would the vast majority of so called little englanders. They wouldn't think of smugly congratulating themselves though. I didn't though at the time, just when I saw your post. I actually don't give 2 hoots where people come from on Earth. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 I didn't though at the time, just when I saw your post. I actually don't give 2 hoots where people come from on Earth. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Because you live somewhere largely unaffected by it. Scotland doesn't know what immigration is and the last large scale immigration that occurred up here in the 1850's onwards still seems to cause quite a bit of bother to this day. The smugness from some Scots and SNP voters in particular really isn't an endearing quality. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Because you live somewhere largely unaffected by it. Scotland doesn't know what immigration is and the last large scale immigration that occurred up here in the 1850's onwards still seems to cause quite a bit of bother to this day. The smugness from some Scots and SNP voters in particular really isn't an endearing quality. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Last time I checked, Edinburgh is hooching with tourists and people from other countries. You should learn to embrace this and see the riches that make the planet a more interesting place to live. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 A black american comedian at the fringe a couple of years ago called edinburgh the whitest place he had ever been. With reason if you have ever spent time in any major english or american city. But i have still heard people in edinburgh moaning that those indians are getting everywhere. Its a minority as in england but maybe less understandable given the numbrrs involved in tolerant scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Last time I checked, Edinburgh is hooching with tourists and people from other countries. You should learn to embrace this and see the riches that make the planet a more interesting place to live. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Edinburgh is fantastic I love it and I have eyes I can see the amount of foreign people here on holidays....but it's largely unaffected by immigration as is most of Scotland. The same can't be said for large parts or England. I'm not sure what your point is there tbh other than saying I'm using veiled racism... My point is if Scotland had the amount of immigration England has faced you'd get very similar results. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Last time I checked, Edinburgh is hooching with tourists and people from other countries. You should learn to embrace this and see the riches that make the planet a more interesting place to live. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk how very tolerant and cosmopolitan.maybe if you had children attending schools where the majority of pupils had english as a second language your tolerance might be tested a little more than seeing lots of tourists. I think immigration has been good for england and immensely enriched its culture. Scotland is still a bit parochial in comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Edinburgh is fantastic I love it and I have eyes I can see the amount of foreign people here on holidays....but it's largely unaffected by immigration as is most of Scotland. The same can't be said for large parts or England. I'm not sure what your point is there tbh other than saying I'm using veiled racism... My point is if Scotland had the amount of immigration England has faced you'd get very similar results. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk That's just more whatabootery from you. Scotland and England are vastly different in how they perceive others and how others perceive them. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudi-Robertson Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 A black american comedian at the fringe a couple of years ago called edinburgh the whitest place he had ever been. With reason if you have ever spent time in any major english or american city. But i have still heard people in edinburgh moaning that those indians are getting everywhere. Its a minority as in england but maybe less understandable given the numbrrs involved in tolerant scotland. The next time you go to London, Birmingham, Paris or even Brussels say that this is one of blackest places you've ever been and see how long you last Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 I'm currently here on shift at Haymarket. My two other dispatchers are from Poland and the Czech Republic. One of my barrier staff is from Poland too. The back shift in the booking office will be a fellow from Ghana. The barrier staff will have another fellow from Poland on the back shift. Yes very little immigrants in Edinburgh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 A black american comedian at the fringe a couple of years ago called edinburgh the whitest place he had ever been. With reason if you have ever spent time in any major english or american city. But i have still heard people in edinburgh moaning that those indians are getting everywhere. Its a minority as in england but maybe less understandable given the numbrrs involved in tolerant scotland. When holocaust denier and racist historian David Irving came to Edinburgh quite a few years back, he said it reminded him of London in the 1950s. Given that it's hard to conceive of two cities on the same island that could be more different architecturally and physically, it's clear that he was talking about exactly the same thing your Fringe comedian was getting at, and it's almost impossible to disagree with the conclusion you draw. I remember getting quite annoyed with a guy from the Republic of Ireland who was working for me in the 1980s whose favourite saying was "We in the Republic of Ireland are non-racist." Questions about how the Republic had dealt with mass immigration were met with a blank look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 That's just more whatabootery from you. Scotland and England are vastly different in how they perceive others and how others perceive them. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk No it isn't. That's what the SNP will try make you believe but we're not. I know English people who have moved up here and suffered abuse ffs[emoji1] Scotland is every bit as racist as anywhere else on earth. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudi-Robertson Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 No it isn't. That's what the SNP will try make you believe but we're not. I know English people who have moved up here and suffered abuse ffs[emoji1] Scotland is every bit as racist as anywhere else on earth. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk True Examples recently on Facebook from yesers and lefties being anyone who says Britain should take our country back from Brussels are racists yet these same cretins post about taking our country back from Westminster There's no reasoning with people from left, they are the biggest hypocrites and fascists going. It is they're way or no way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 No it isn't. That's what the SNP will try make you believe but we're not. I know English people who have moved up here and suffered abuse ffs[emoji1] Scotland is every bit as racist as anywhere else on earth. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Then that statement would've been backed up by a similar percentage in the Brexit vote, which it wasn't. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Reekin' Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 True Examples recently on Facebook from yesers and lefties being anyone who says Britain should take our country back from Brussels are racists yet these same cretins post about taking our country back from Westminster There's no reasoning with people from left, they are the biggest hypocrites and fascists going. It is they're way or no way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 True Examples recently on Facebook from yesers and lefties being anyone who says Britain should take our country back from Brussels are racists yet these same cretins post about taking our country back from Westminster There's no reasoning with people from left, they are the biggest hypocrites and fascists going. It is they're way or no way Taking back your country from the EU? What exactly does that mean? It's laughable. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Then that statement would've been backed up by a similar percentage in the Brexit vote, which it wasn't. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk spectacularly missing the point of this lttle debate about the relative impact of immigration on scotland and england. But thanks your posts have made the point about the smug superiority of some scots better than i could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudi-Robertson Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Then that statement would've been backed up by a similar percentage in the Brexit vote, which it wasn't. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk There we go again. All brexiteers are racist. Change the record mate, you and your lot are beyond boring now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 spectacularly missing the point of this lttle debate about the relative impact of immigration on scotland and england. But thanks your posts have made the point about the smug superiority of some scots better than i could. I can't help the fact I'm not a racist arsehole. A human being is another human being to me. There's nothing smug about that, only. common sense. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daydream Believer Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 True Examples recently on Facebook from yesers and lefties being anyone who says Britain should take our country back from Brussels are racists yet these same cretins post about taking our country back from Westminster There's no reasoning with people from left, they are the biggest hypocrites and fascists going. It is they're way or no way It's possible to believe that people who voted to leave did so because they're racist, and also to believe that Scotland should become independent (perhaps to separate from the perceived racists?). I don't necessarily agree with either of those views but to hold them is neither hypocritical nor fascist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudi-Robertson Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Taking back your country from the EU? What exactly does that mean? It's laughable. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Your guess is as good as mines but seen as you and your ilk have been wanting our country back from Westminster your probably a little more clued up so you tell me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Then that statement would've been backed up by a similar percentage in the Brexit vote, which it wasn't. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Immigration levels aren't a problem here. Scotlands problem is people leaving our population has hardly changed for decades. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Your guess is as good as mines but seen as you and your ilk have been wanting our country back from Westminster your probably a little more clued up so you tell me So you don't know why you voted to leave the EU? Why do I want Scotland to be independent, well it's absolutely nothing to do with being anti-English for starters. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 spectacularly missing the point of this lttle debate about the relative impact of immigration on scotland and england. But thanks your posts have made the point about the smug superiority of some scots better than i could. how very tolerant and cosmopolitan.maybe if you had children attending schools where the majority of pupils had english as a second language your tolerance might be tested a little more than seeing lots of tourists. I think immigration has been good for england and immensely enriched its culture. Scotland is still a bit parochial in comparison Scotland's largest cities have a higher proportion of non U.K. born immigrants than England and Wales. In E+W they have recently had numerous racist attacks apparently as a result of the Brexit vote. Consuls from some EU countries have said they had encountered none of this in Scotland. How do you account for this? Smug superiority or parochialism on the part of Scots or an attempt at cultural enrichment by those to the south? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Immigration levels aren't a problem here. Scotlands problem is people leaving our population has hardly changed for decades. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Which in turn lends credence that Scotland needs immigrants to prop it up. Who's going to be wiping your arse in the care home when your dribbling out the corner of your mouth? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudi-Robertson Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 So you don't know why you voted to leave the EU? Why do I want Scotland to be independent, well it's absolutely nothing to do with being anti-English for starters. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk You do realise you Scotland won't be independent within the EU? No matter what way the SNP dress it up. Your simply handing your arse over to Brussels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Edinburgh is fantastic I love it and I have eyes I can see the amount of foreign people here on holidays....but it's largely unaffected by immigration as is most of Scotland. The same can't be said for large parts or England. I'm not sure what your point is there tbh other than saying I'm using veiled racism... My point is if Scotland had the amount of immigration England has faced you'd get very similar results. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Black immigration surely you mean We had mass Eastern European immigration 10 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 You do realise you Scotland won't be independent within the EU? No matter what way the SNP dress it up. Your simply handing your arse over to Brussels Big bad Brussels coming over here straightening our bananas and cucumbers. Giving us cleaner beaches, better employment status etc etc etc etc. And you're handing it over to one of the most right wing governments this country has ever seen? The working class have never been so stupid. Utterly duped by Boris and Farage, 2 multi millionaire posh English dunces. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudi-Robertson Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Big bad Brussels coming over here straightening our bananas and cucumbers. Giving us cleaner beaches, better employment status etc etc etc etc. And you're handing it over to one of the most right wing governments this country has ever seen? The working class have never been so stupid. Utterly duped by Boris and Farage, 2 multi millionaire posh English dunces. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk The same old fabby gets trotted out every time. Right wing Westminster eh The people were given the choice and the chose to "right wing Westminster" Suck it up ya ticket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Scotland's largest cities have a higher proportion of non U.K. born immigrants than England and Wales. In E+W they have recently had numerous racist attacks apparently as a result of the Brexit vote. Consuls from some EU countries have said they had encountered none of this in Scotland. How do you account for this? Smug superiority or parochialism on the part of Scots or an attempt at cultural enrichment by those to the south? most non-uk bor immigrants are white and therefore no visible. Most also speak english at least as well as most scots. And it is a decade long process in scotland as opposed to 50 years in england. I am pretty sceptical about a big increase in racial violence since the brexit vote - there has been a lot more remoaner onspired reporting of sicj incidents. But theain point os that the assertion that scots are inherently more tolerant and better human beings than english people is tosh verging on a sort of racism itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Rudi Robertson seems respectful of other peoples views here!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Space Mackerel Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 The same old fabby gets trotted out every time. Right wing Westminster eh The people were given the choice and the chose to "right wing Westminster" Suck it up ya ticket I'm sucking it up all I want, Brexit brings independence much closer more quicker. How do you like them apples? [emoji2] Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudi-Robertson Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 I'm sucking it up all I want, Brexit brings independence much closer more quicker. How do you like them apples? [emoji2] Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk It doesn't bring independence any closer whatsoever if Nicola Sturgeon gets her way and takes us into the EU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 "Remoaner" Very educated and mature Funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudi-Robertson Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 "Remoaner" Very educated and mature Funny As opposed to simply labelling everyone who voted to leave "Racist" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 It doesn't bring independence any closer whatsoever if Nicola Sturgeon gets her way and takes us into the EU I just cant following any of that logic. Anyway, I'm off to the game. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted November 5, 2016 Author Share Posted November 5, 2016 It doesn't bring independence any closer whatsoever if Nicola Sturgeon gets her way and takes us into the EU Aye, cause the EU rules us. Gies peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudi-Robertson Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Aye, cause the EU rules us. Gies peace It's on it's way to becoming a super state. United States of Europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 As opposed to simply labelling everyone who voted to leave "Racist" Yeah Of course the biggest stupidity is generalising You make a big mistake if you frame your arguments away from the main substance to the fringes of insults and fear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudi-Robertson Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Yeah Of course the biggest stupidity is generalising You make a big mistake if you frame your arguments away from the main substance to the fringes of insults and fear It is stupid and narrow minded to label everyone racist who voted different to yourself which most remainere are clinging onto As I say there's little to no reasoning with the left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester™ Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 It is stupid and narrow minded to label everyone racist who voted different to yourself which most remainere are clinging onto As I say there's little to no reasoning with the left Aye. Because it was just the left that voted to Remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 It is stupid and narrow minded to label everyone racist who voted different to yourself which most remainere are clinging onto As I say there's little to no reasoning with the left Another generalisation You are indeed stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 People are saying they have been "betrayed" eg 99% in Daily Express poll. But really the fault is a lack of clear leadership and clarity by the government on position. Made worse by shambles of Brexit campaign. Surely over a weekend they could have come to a clear position starting point on negotiations that could be made public and debated and approved by Parliament. But they don't seem to know. Managing too many divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 People are saying they have been "betrayed" eg 99% in Daily Express poll. To be fair 99% of Daily Express readers are arseholes. Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudi-Robertson Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Another generalisation You are indeed stupid Yeah, reasoned debate. The only form the left know, personal insults and picking up on grammar mistakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Scotland's largest cities have a higher proportion of non U.K. born immigrants than England and Wales. In E+W they have recently had numerous racist attacks apparently as a result of the Brexit vote. Consuls from some EU countries have said they had encountered none of this in Scotland. How do you account for this? Smug superiority or parochialism on the part of Scots or an attempt at cultural enrichment by those to the south? Racist incidents rose during the yes / no referendum. It didnt specify but its widely believed that the english were the victims. I dont think with scotlands history we can claim to be better than anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Racist incidents rose during the yes / no referendum. It didnt specify but its widely believed that the english were the victims. I dont think with scotlands history we can claim to be better than anyone else. You've been reading Express reports by that daft twisted Siobhan lassie and following JK Rowling too much on Twatter. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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