zoltan socrates Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Theresa May? Proves my point, WM oppression of Scotland, but hey your Stockholm is quite severe, Zee. My condolences theresa may holds you against your will? So you cant go for a pint without her permission? I dont recall when theresa may took us hostage, i cant recall the last hostage situation in scotland, where are the scots being oppressed by theresa may? Do you know what oppression actually is? I mean you are from paisley so im sure you are surrounded by people who look opressed, but thats different, thats self administered, drugs and drink Please do learn what it is before you go using the term, you continue to look stupid otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted March 17, 2017 Author Share Posted March 17, 2017 theresa may holds you against your will? So you cant go for a pint without her permission? I dont recall when theresa may took us hostage, i cant recall the last hostage situation in scotland, where are the scots being oppressed by theresa may? Do you know what oppression actually is? I mean you are from paisley so im sure you are surrounded by people who look opressed, but thats different, thats self administered, drugs and drink Please do learn what it is before you go using the term, you continue to look stupid otherwise Your Stockholm is so bad, you've been assimilated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted March 17, 2017 Author Share Posted March 17, 2017 Third time lucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoltan socrates Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Your Stockholm is so bad, you've been assimilated. Illogical, jim Your making a diagnosis without knowing what you are diagnosing, damn your green vulcan blood! Assuming your accusation is correct, which it isnt, At best im a stockholmer, not a stockholmee, i regard myself as British because thats what we all are, am i oppressing you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted March 17, 2017 Author Share Posted March 17, 2017 Illogical, jim Your making a diagnosis without knowing what you are diagnosing, damn your green vulcan blood! Assuming your accusation is correct, which it isnt, At best im a stockholmer, not a stockholmee, i regard myself as British because thats what we all are, am i oppressing you? swell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoltan socrates Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 swell You got a tidy wife? Im here for a bit of prima nocta! Llap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted March 17, 2017 Author Share Posted March 17, 2017 You got a tidy wife? Im here for a bit of prima nocta! no bad Llap I do indeed, but I'm here to claim the right of a husband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tartan Trump Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Your Stockholm is so bad, you've been assimilated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted March 17, 2017 Author Share Posted March 17, 2017 Your Stockholm is so bad, you've been assimilated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 March 29th for article 50! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Prime Minister Theresa May is to officially notify the European Union next Wednesday that the UK is leaving. Downing Street said she would write a letter to the EU's 27 other members, adding that it expected negotiations to then begin as quickly as possible. The move comes nine months after people voted 51.9% to 48.1% in a referendum. Talks on the terms of the departure and future relations are not allowed under the Article 50 process until the UK formally tells the EU it is leaving. If all goes according to the two year negotiations set out in the official timetable, Brexit should happen in March 2019. ? What is Article 50? What happens next? ? Brexit: All you need to know A No 10 spokesman said the UK's Ambassador to the EU, Sir Tim Barrow, informed the European Council, headed by President Donald Tusk, earlier on Monday of the date that Article 50 would be triggered next Wednesday, 29 March. Mrs May is expected to make a statement to the House of Commons shortly after invoking Article 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Prime Minister Theresa May is to officially notify the European Union next Wednesday that the UK is leaving. Downing Street said she would write a letter to the EU's 27 other members, adding that it expected negotiations to then begin as quickly as possible. The move comes nine months after people voted 51.9% to 48.1% in a referendum. Talks on the terms of the departure and future relations are not allowed under the Article 50 process until the UK formally tells the EU it is leaving. If all goes according to the two year negotiations set out in the official timetable, Brexit should happen in March 2019. ? What is Article 50? What happens next? ? Brexit: All you need to know A No 10 spokesman said the UK's Ambassador to the EU, Sir Tim Barrow, informed the European Council, headed by President Donald Tusk, earlier on Monday of the date that Article 50 would be triggered next Wednesday, 29 March. Mrs May is expected to make a statement to the House of Commons shortly after invoking Article 50. Oh well. Onwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Be glad when it's triggered. Let's get down to the business of seeing what these negotiations will look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Be glad when it's triggered. Let's get down to the business of seeing what these negotiations will look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiepolio Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sidsnot Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Utter shambles from David Davies at the parliamentary committee yesterday. These clownshoes have literally no idea what they are doing. Back of a fag packet is being generous. Say what you like about the Indy ref white paper, I agree it was bad. At least it was some sort of plan though. Davies was an unmitigated disaster,seriously,a currant short of a total fruitcake. Take a look at @E_ham01's Tweet: https://twitter.com/E_ham01/status/842141199544791040?s=09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jambo lodge Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Been a good week for the Brexiteers with both Michel Barnier ( Chief Negotiator ) and Juncker himself pointing towards a bespoke Free Trade deal with the UK. In the best interests of the EU and the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Been a good week for the Brexiteers with both Michel Barnier ( Chief Negotiator ) and Juncker himself pointing towards a bespoke Free Trade deal with the UK. In the best interests of the EU and the UK. Do you have links to these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Juncker was just on BBC News and Barnier was being quoted in press yesterday. Big change of tone now that reality is getting nearer. Don't think for one moment negotiations will be easy but I fully expect the UK will get a free trade deal..........at a price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Big business will have a major say in the outcome. Politians will bow to their lobbying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tartan Trump Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Juncker was just on BBC News and Barnier was being quoted in press yesterday. Big change of tone now that reality is getting nearer. Don't think for one moment negotiations will be easy but I fully expect the UK will get a free trade deal..........at a price. It's not really a free trade deal if it comes at a price though is it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Juncker was just on BBC News and Barnier was being quoted in press yesterday. Big change of tone now that reality is getting nearer. Don't think for one moment negotiations will be easy but I fully expect the UK will get a free trade deal..........at a price. Big business will have a major say in the outcome. Politians will bow to their lobbying. Free movement of people? Oh wait, the Brits won't accept that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Free movement of people? Oh wait, the Brits won't accept that. Visas and work permits Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tartan Trump Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 http://www.itv.com/news/wales/2017-03-24/ukip-access-to-european-single-market-critical-for-welsh-farmers-post-brexit/ Imagine that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Visas and work permits Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Not really free movement then is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Not really free movement then is it? Bespoke agreement. Negates free movement. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 http://www.itv.com/news/wales/2017-03-24/ukip-access-to-european-single-market-critical-for-welsh-farmers-post-brexit/ Imagine that. You really can't make that sort of shit up. Amazing, but at the same time so unsurprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Bespoke agreement. Negates free movement. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk And the EU would go for that and give us access to single market? I can't see it to be honest. That's better than we have now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 And the EU would go for that and give us access to single market? I can't see it to be honest. That's better than we have now! Who knows. Something's got to give. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Who knows. Something's got to give. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk True. Then all the other member states would want it I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tartan Trump Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 You really can't make that sort of shit up. Amazing, but at the same time so unsurprising. If only someone had warned us beforehand Boris .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 If only someone had warned us beforehand Boris .... Would you take the word of someone called Mr Reckless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tartan Trump Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Would you take the word of someone called Mr Reckless? No, I wouldn't but the Welsh did and now their farmers are looking at crippling tariffs if we crash out without a decent deal. All seems a bit err ... Reckless to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 And the EU would go for that and give us access to single market? I can't see it to be honest. That's better than we have now! Its not better, its different and if the EU doesn't reform sometime soon others will follow us. It will cost the UK a fee each year but we will not get the " benefits" of EU funding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted March 24, 2017 Author Share Posted March 24, 2017 Do you have links to these?He said the UK wouldn't be punished, nothing said about free trade deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 He said the UK wouldn't be punished, nothing said about free trade deals. That's what I read. Says the negotiations will be friendly but not naive. Never said a word about free trade agreements that I seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Murray Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Surely a bit of good news for Brexit? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39378521 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Surely a bit of good news for Brexit? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39378521 This talk of exoduses is mostly hot air. It's like when doctors threaten to emigrate en masse for even higher wages etc. Sounds good but in reality, most of them want to live in the U.K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Anyone go on that march in London today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted March 25, 2017 Author Share Posted March 25, 2017 Get your pounds swapped before Wednesday, about to go tits up. 99p to the dollar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Get your pounds swapped before Wednesday, about to go tits up. 99p to the dollar. There might be a small fall but I don't think it'll be that bad as the markets will have factored in the triggering of article 50 already, they have afterall had two weeks since May confirmed the date, if there is one thing the markets don't like is sudden uncertainty, well they know exactly when article 50 is being triggered so it won't be any shock or surprise when it's done, that was probably one of the reasons why she announced the date in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted March 26, 2017 Author Share Posted March 26, 2017 There might be a small fall but I don't think it'll be that bad as the markets will have factored in the triggering of article 50 already, they have afterall had two weeks since May confirmed the date, if there is one thing the markets don't like is sudden uncertainty, well they know exactly when article 50 is being triggered so it won't be any shock or surprise when it's done, that was probably one of the reasons why she announced the date in advance.Wednesday is when the EU get to talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Wednesday is when the EU get to talk. The formal letter triggering article 50 is submitted on Wednesday, that's all, nothing else, nothing else will happen, no talks will take place for about another 6-8 weeks at least. The remaining EU members have scheduled a meeting for the 29 April to discuss the next step, no formal talks will happen before that date, indeed if any talks do take place before this date they will be nothing more than preliminary introductions at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidsnot Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Been a good week for the Brexiteers with both Michel Barnier ( Chief Negotiator ) and Juncker himself pointing towards a bespoke Free Trade deal with the UK. In the best interests of the EU and the UK.Aye,so I see. Default The Observer on Brexit " As Britain hurtles towards the precipice truth and democracy " As Britain hurtles towards the precipice, truth and democracy are in short supply " https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ralleled-peace Like sheep, the British people, regardless of whether they support Brexit, are being herded off a cliff, duped and misled by the most irresponsible, least trustworthy government in living memory. The moment when article 50 is triggered, signalling Britain?s irreversible decision to quit the EU, approaches inexorably. This week, on Black Wednesday, the UK will throw into jeopardy the achievements of 60 years of unparalleled European peace, security and prosperity from which it has greatly benefited. And for what? The ultra-hard Tory Brexit break with Europe that is now seen as the most likely outcome when the two-year negotiation concludes is the peacetime equivalent of the ignominious retreat from Dunkirk. It is a national catastrophe by any measure. It is a historic error. And Theresa May, figuratively waving the cross of St George atop the white cliffs of Dover like a tone-deaf parody of Vera Lynn, will be remembered as the principal author of the debacle. This is not liberation, as Ukip argues, nor even a fresh start. It is a reckless, foolhardy leap into the unknown and the prelude, perhaps, to what the existentialist writer Albert Camus described in La chute ? a fall from grace, in every conceivable sense. It did not have to be this way. Like others who favoured Remain, we have reiterated, ad nauseam, our acceptance of the referendum result. But whether you were for or against, what confronts us all now is drastically different from what was on the table last June. The hard Tory Brexit in prospect represents an epic act of self-harm. A more enlightened Conservative prime minister, better attuned to the ?one nation? tradition of the party of Disraeli and Macmillan, less in thrall to Little Englanders, and less intimidated by the peculiarly vicious and Manichaean worldview of the Daily Mail, would have taken a more consensual approach. Yet despite her promises when she became prime minister, Theresa May has failed to heal the divisions caused by Brexit. Far from reuniting a fractured kingdom, she has divided it further, perhaps fatally, as the SNP?s unsettling decision last week to push for a second Scottish independence referendum implies. As Lord Heseltine has suggested, a more imaginative, braver and more consistent leader could have used the referendum result to propel an immediate negotiation with the EU on much-needed reforms. If, at the end of that process, Britain?s demands remained unmet, the divorce could have proceeded or, if a deal were agreed, been put to a second vote. Instead, May, more sheep than shepherd, has feebly allowed herself to be driven ever further towards an extreme, inflexible, take-it-or- leave-it stance for which she has neither mandate nor credible grounds. The main reason that May and her ministers now say that no deal would be better than a bad deal is that even the most blinkered Brexiters have belatedly realised what an impossible position they have placed the country in. They simply cannot deliver what they promised. Nor will an affronted, alienated Brussels help them do so. Rejigged single market access? Forget it. A bespoke customs union? Not a chance. A free trade deal within two years? In your dreams. It has become crystal clear that none of this is possible while ministers continue to reject freedom of movement and other basic EU principles, including European court of justice jurisdiction. On this, the other 27 countries are united. So now the hard Brexiters say, with astonishingly cynical mendacity, that Britain would be better off going it alone. This approach plays fast and loose with ordinary people?s livelihoods. Yet still, with jingoistic horns and trumpets drowning out the roar of the deep, the stampede towards the cliff?s edge gathers pace. Every day produces more evidence that this hard Tory Brexit is a disaster in the making. Carmakers and other export manufacturers, fearing swingeing tariffs, are demanding special protections and exemptions or else they leave. Professional bodies, ranging from lawyers to economists, warn of endlessly damaging business consequences. The NHS faces the loss of tens of thousands of qualified doctors and nurses it has no prospect of replacing. Care homes are in a similar plight. Banks, financial institutions and airlines face unavoidable decisions about moving jobs and operations to mainland Europe. Environmentalists rightly fear the cleaner rivers and cleaner air ensured by EU regulations (red tape to the Europhobes) may soon become a thing of the past. British citizens living and working in Europe fear the chaos that would surely follow all-out rupture; likewise EU citizens living here. Britain?s farmers, like its academics, surely realise by now, if they did not before, that they cannot trust this government to replicate the research funding, subsidies and employment freedoms that EU membership currently bestows. The average British family is now hemmed in by multiple, authoritative predictions of stagnant or falling wages, higher food and fuel prices, an ongoing sterling devaluation, collapsing social care and public services and increased, regressive indirect taxation. Be you a Remainer or a Leaver, you would have to be particularly obtuse not to see that May?s hard Tory Brexit will cost this country and its families more than it can conceivably afford. The prospective political, diplomatic and reputational cost is every bit as daunting. Take the damage to Britain?s democracy. Last week, parliament was at its best, uniting in defiance of terrorism. The week before, it was at its worst, agreeing to deny itself a meaningful vote on any final deal. The government argued that to do otherwise would tie its hands. This is baloney. David Davis, Liam Fox, Boris Johnson and the other Brexit blowhards know they have no chance of achieving their stated aims, such as a ?350m weekly NHS payback. So they pre-emptively reject parliamentary scrutiny, dismiss any criticism as unpatriotic and hope, like the cheap chancers they are, that they will get away with it. They?ve peddled a fake Brexit, full of false promises. The reality is beginning to dawn. Unconscionably, they and their outliers in the hard Brexit media have attempted to stifle debate and question those who demand proper scrutiny of the most significant political and economic challenge to Britain in decades. They have helped foster a corrosive, mean-spirited, angry and divisive atmosphere that May and her lieutenants are too weak to challenge. Into this swill comes Leave financier-in-chief, Arron Banks, who last week announced he was setting up a ?Patriotic Alliance? to attempt to unseat 100 Remain-supporting MPs. The Daily Mail, Katie Hopkins, Arron Banks, Nigel Farage, Paul Nuttall ? meet Britain?s new patriots. Except they?re not, because divisiveness and intolerance are not the values of patriots. There is a criticism of one?s country that is born of hate and a criticism born of love. And they are materially different. One wishes to divide us, the other attempts to bind, cohere and support. It fell last week to Michel Barnier, the EU?s chief negotiator, to throw a cold bucket of reality over the ultra-hard Brexiters? fantasies. The effect was chilling. Barnier made clear May?s ?no deal? option was no option at all. He warned of queues of lorries at Dover, chaos for ordinary citizens and custom controls on trade from day one of the UK?s withdrawal. Barnier also made plain the EU would not even begin to talk about a post-Brexit trade deal until Britain agrees to cough up the estimated ?50bn Brussels says it owes in prior commitments. The figure is disputed. But the principle is not. Britain faces a hugely costly settling of accounts, whatever parti pris barristers may advise. For good measure, Barnier insisted the Irish border conundrum and citizens? rights must be resolved before other Brexit matters can be discussed. Barnier says the EU wants a deal. And it would be reckless indeed for EU leaders to ignore the factors that produced the Brexit vote, many of which can be observed across the union. The EU itself is becoming uncomfortably aware that as well as a need to show flexibility towards the UK, it also has to demonstrate to its own citizens an awareness of its democratic and policy deficiencies if it is to rekindle the support that has seen it develop since its origins in the Treaty of Rome 60 years ago. But Barnier?s stance, if unchanged, presages a negotiations humiliation for the government. Yet more threatening for the ultra-hard Brexit brigade and the lie factories of Fleet Street was Barnier?s vow to spell out what leaving the EU really entails for the British people. ?We need to tell the truth and we will tell the truth to our citizens about what Brexit means,? Barnier said, his point being that, until now, here and elsewhere, such truths have been deliberately concealed, ignored or distorted. How galling, and how ironic, that the country, the ?mother of parliaments? that boastfully styles itself the home of modern representative governance, should need a lesson in open democracy. But needed it is. Truth and common sense are in short supply as Britain charges towards the precipice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Thanks Sidnot for quoting Barnier saying " the EU wants a deal". Not interested in what an opinion piece say about Farage, Arron Banks or Katie Hopkins, none of them will be anywhere near the negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samgolden Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Rights of EU workers in the UK denied. What a shambles. Using people as bargaining chips. No it's not rights of European workers will be granted if it reciprocated in Europe for U.K. Workers and The EU are not doing that so who are using people as bargaining chips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 I see it is now an ultra hard tory brexit not just a hard brexit. Still not really inderstood how a soft brexit differs meaningfully from remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 So the observer thinks our withdrawal from dunkirk was a national catastrophe and a historical error? Who writes this ahistorical drivel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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