J.T.F.Robertson Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 I find it impossible (literally) to imagine that guy sitting in the Oval Office. I mean, REALLY! Then there's his troop of barbie dolls ....... what a feckin mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Draper Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 This is a helpful guide: https://thenib.com/know-your-republican-ghouls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 A message to Trumpet and all the ultra far right wing blue blooded "neo cons". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 I find it impossible (literally) to imagine that guy sitting in the Oval Office. I mean, REALLY! Then there's his troop of barbie dolls ....... what a feckin mess. Well, come January you'll not have to "imagine" any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Their Miliband moment! Who will be their Corbynista moment I wonder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Crooked Donald. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38021820 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 A message to Trumpet and all the ultra far right wing blue blooded "neo cons". Baaa Baaaaa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 (edited) Did I just hear Berny Sanders say if Trump has the guts to stand up to the multinationals he has a friend in me? Hmm, Yes, your point? Bernie, (not Berny) has always said he'd try take on Wall Street. Supporting, to some extent someone who has the same principle, in theory at least so far, seems logical. You really shouldn't try dig deeper for some other agenda driven meaning, it's not there. Edited November 19, 2016 by BK 11215 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Yes, your point? Bernie, (not Berny) has always said he'd try take on Wall Street. Supporting, to some extent someone who has the same principle, in theory at least so far, seems logical. You really shouldn't try dig deeper for some other agenda driven meaning, it's not there. If that's the case, why did he not only back Clinton who was backed to the hilt by wall street and that after leaving Clinton nameless before the nomination was stolen from him by his own party? You can see what you want but that's not much going by your reply to my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 (edited) If that's the case, why did he not only back Clinton who was backed to the hilt by wall street and that after leaving Clinton nameless before the nomination was stolen from him by his own party? You can see what you want but that's not much going by your reply to my post. Because there were other things that on balance made Clinton more acceptable (or less repulsive) to him than Trump. I don't think it's that difficult to understand why he should say he'd back Trump to the extent he means what he says about going after Wall Street, globalisation etc. Edited November 19, 2016 by Francis Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Because there were other things that on balance made Clinton more acceptable (or less repulsive) to him than Trump. I don't think it's that difficult to understand why he should say he'd back Trump to the extent he means what he says about going after Wall Street, globalisation etc. You can't say you are going to go after wall street then back Clinton who is backed by and there for wall street. If you do, your credibility is right out the window and anything you say on the matter can not be trusted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 (edited) You can't say you are going to go after wall street then back Clinton who is backed by and there for wall street. If you do, your credibility is right out the window and anything you say on the matter can not be trusted.As I said, you can if you think that there are things other than "going after Wall Street" that outweigh your wish to go after Wall Street. Like going after Muslims, or Mexicans, or pregnant women , or so on and on. I think Bernie is just about the least culpable in this whole pile of crap. And of course there was a pretty big IF attached to Bernie's support. Edited November 19, 2016 by Francis Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 As I said, you can if you think that there are things other than "going after Wall Street" that outweigh your wish to go after Wall Street. Like going after Muslims, or Mexicans, or pregnant women , or so on and on. I think Bernie is just about the least culpable in this whole pile of crap. And of course there was a pretty big IF attached to Bernie's support. He is as culpable as Clinton, he backed her. He didn't have to and everyone would have understood if he didn't. That is the difference. He could have gone after both of them and should have, but he didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 (edited) He is as culpable as Clinton, he backed her. He didn't have to and everyone would have understood if he didn't. That is the difference. He could have gone after both of them and should have, but he didn't.So what would that have achieved? A bigger win for Trump? American politicians had the opportunity to coalesce around an "anyone but Trump" candidate. They didn't because they didn't think Trump had a chance, Which was their failing, not Trump's. Edited November 20, 2016 by Francis Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 So what would that have achieved? A bigger win for Trump? American politicians had the opportunity to coalesce around an "anyone but Trump" candidate. They didn't because they didn't think Trump had a chance, Which was their failing, not Trump's. That has nothing to do with the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 As I said, you can if you think that there are things other than "going after Wall Street" that outweigh your wish to go after Wall Street. Like going after Muslims, or Mexicans, or pregnant women , or so on and on. I think Bernie is just about the least culpable in this whole pile of crap. And of course there was a pretty big IF attached to Bernie's support. Trump has certainly surprised me plenty of times over the past two years, so I'm not saying it won't happen, but if he does anything to Wall St. other than deliver them a gigantic package of further deregulation, I'll be beyond shocked. The prevailing notion that Clinton was the pro-Wall St. candidate in this election has to be one of the greatest achievements in propaganda ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 (edited) That has nothing to do with the point.So what is the point? "He should have gone after both of them"? I thought he did. Edited November 20, 2016 by Francis Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Trump has certainly surprised me plenty of times over the past two years, so I'm not saying it won't happen, but if he does anything to Wall St. other than deliver them a gigantic package of further deregulation, I'll be beyond shocked. The prevailing notion that Clinton was the pro-Wall St. candidate in this election has to be one of the greatest achievements in propaganda ever. I think the selling of the idea that either candidate was anything other than "pro-Wall Street" was a bigger achievement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 So what is the point? "He should have gone after both of them"? I thought he did. Word of advice FA. Logic won't help you here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 I think the selling of the idea that either candidate was anything other than "pro-Wall Street" was a bigger achievement. "Wall St. with more regulations" vs "Wall St. with current regulations massively revoked but nasty pointy words directed at them" was an actual choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 (edited) So what is the point? "He should have gone after both of them"? I thought he did. The point was not what his actions would have resulted in if he went after both of them. The point was whether he blotted his copy book by backing Clinton when it came to what to do about wall street and big business. I'll put it another way. He should have gone home and said nothing other than I had the nomination stolen from me. Before he backed Clinton I was rooting for him. Just goes to show. He sold out. Edited November 20, 2016 by niblick1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddley Walker Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 The point was not what his actions would have resulted in if he went after both of them. The point was whether he blotted his copy book by backing Clinton when it came to what to do about wall street and big business. I'll put it another way. He should have gone home and said nothing other than I had the nomination stolen from me. Before he backed Clinton I was rooting for him. Just goes to show. He sold out. Did his mask slip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawdust Caesar Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Crooked Donald. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38021820 His lawyer is called Petrocelli, bet he gets fed up with people asking him if his house is built yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 I thought everything was better now, but it isn't. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38045114 Make them go away. Ban them. Ban them all until they are dead, the Obamian reptilian shapeshifters. Make holidays grate again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 I thought everything was better now, but it isn't. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38045114 Make them go away. Ban them. Ban them all until they are dead, the Obamian reptilian shapeshifters. Make holidays grate again. Everyone has a breaking point and people will not take this bullshit much longer. It is not inclusive at all. It is the complete opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 I thought everything was better now, but it isn't. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38045114 Make them go away. Ban them. Ban them all until they are dead, the Obamian reptilian shapeshifters. Make holidays grate again. Sorry but am I the only one who hasn't a clue what Uly is on about here? "Obamian reptilian shapeshifters"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Sorry but am I the only one who hasn't a clue what Uly is on about here? "Obamian reptilian shapeshifters"? He may correct me but i think he is meaning with the recent election results that farcical decisions like this would be a thing of the past. The reptilian bit i think was for maroon legions who amuses him ....a lot. As for the actual story its another example of safe religion bashing. Typical of politics from the coffee and wine chattering classes who refuse to confront the wicked because of their skin colour. Inclusive to all but christians it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Sorry but am I the only one who hasn't a clue what Uly is on about here? Evidently not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 It strikes me that all this 'inclusive' bullshit and bending over to be Rogerd is very much a one way street. Not that I want any religious day but chances of Muslims calling Ramadam something else as to not offend anyone are less than **** all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) Evidently not. I am pretty sure I get it, if not I have to admit to having a devious mind. Its almost like it wasn't you posting, or doing so on behalf of someone else. Edited November 21, 2016 by bobsharp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvoys Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 I thought everything was better now, but it isn't. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38045114 Make them go away. Ban them. Ban them all until they are dead, the Obamian reptilian shapeshifters. Make holidays grate again. Obama was too cool for righteous white guilt asshats like this. This is a direct result of the self loathing venom that feeds up through the education system and distills on the indoctrination camps previously known as college campuses. San Fran schools authority have even designed a curriculum to make it all kids duty to 'reject' the Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Wait, people are flipping out because a town stopped calling the holidays Good Friday and Columbus Day? FFS, the government holiday never should have been called Good Friday in the first place -- that's an explicitly religious holiday and we still have separation between church and state. (Unless Trump really decides he's getting cozy with Falwell.) And Columbus Day is a dumb holiday anyway. It was passed as a "take pride in being Catholic" holiday back in the day. It's not like anyone actually celebrates it beyond sleeping in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Obama was too cool for righteous white guilt asshats like this. This is a direct result of the self loathing venom that feeds up through the education system and distills on the indoctrination camps previously known as college campuses. San Fran schools authority have even designed a curriculum to make it all kids duty to 'reject' the Trump. Did you read that in the same place you read that the SPLC is making death lists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Wait, people are flipping out because a town stopped calling the holidays Good Friday and Columbus Day? FFS, the government holiday never should have been called Good Friday in the first place -- that's an explicitly religious holiday and we still have separation between church and state. (Unless Trump really decides he's getting cozy with Falwell.) And Columbus Day is a dumb holiday anyway. It was passed as a "take pride in being Catholic" holiday back in the day. It's not like anyone actually celebrates it beyond sleeping in. It is not about that. As you know UA there is no love lost with me and religion so Good Friday could be called Beardy Myth Day to all I care but the fact after centuries we are changing it just to keep Muslims happy is another nail in the coffin that was the way of our lives. Yes, I said Muslims as let us not pretend, it is for their benefit. This one way street of ass raping must end. It us getting quite pathetic. It seems that we wll not stop at anything to keep them happy. They secretly must be laughing at us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvoys Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Did you read that in the same place you read that the SPLC is making death lists? Both are true. I'd say look this one up but you've clearly not taken the time to see what that despicable organisation have done to Maajid Nawaz and Ayaan Hirsi Ali so here is a link: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/san-francisco-teachers-union-offers-anti-trump-lesson-43586647 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) Both are true. I'd say look this one up but you've clearly not taken the time to see what that despicable organisation have done to Maajid Nawaz and Ayaan Hirsi Ali so here is a link: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/san-francisco-teachers-union-offers-anti-trump-lesson-43586647 One day these students will look back and cringe at this. The world is alwys such a different place when you are young. As for the professional protestors and moaners that are Unions, they just have no shame at the best of times. Effing malcontents. Seriously, everything that goes against these people's way of thinking is some kind of 'ism' to these wasters. It is pathetic. Edited November 21, 2016 by i8hibsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Wait, people are flipping out because a town stopped calling the holidays Good Friday and Columbus Day? FFS, the government holiday never should have been called Good Friday in the first place -- that's an explicitly religious holiday and we still have separation between church and state. (Unless Trump really decides he's getting cozy with Falwell.) And Columbus Day is a dumb holiday anyway. It was passed as a "take pride in being Catholic" holiday back in the day. It's not like anyone actually celebrates it beyond sleeping in. I quite liked the Native American bar owner Henry, or Standing Bear, in Longmire correcting a reference to Thanksgiving Day to Thankstaking Day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 As many of you have heard, the cast of the stage show Hamilton gave VP-elect Pence a wee bit of a lecture a few nights ago in New York. True to form, the Trumpets have taken exception to this 'harassment' and have sent sent scores of outraged texts and tweets. Unfortunately, they sent them to the Hamilton Theatre in Hamilton, Ontario. Sorry folks; wrong theatre ... wrong country! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 As many of you have heard, the cast of the stage show Hamilton gave VP-elect Pence a wee bit of a lecture a few nights ago in New York. True to form, the Trumpets have taken exception to this 'harassment' and have sent sent scores of outraged texts and tweets. Unfortunately, they sent them to the Hamilton Theatre in Hamilton, Ontario. Sorry folks; wrong theatre ... wrong country! I think people pay good money to see this show. How dare they disrupt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 I think people pay good money to see this show. How dare they disrupt it. Didn't Cumberbatch do something similar in London - lecturing the audience in mid-performanve about refugees or whatever. I'd have asked for my money back in both cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 I think people pay good money to see this show. How dare they disrupt it. The show wasn't disrupted. The cast read out a message during the curtain call after the show had finished. However the show was disrupted the next night by a drunk Trump suppporter shouting abuse at the stage and taking ten minutes to be removed by front of house staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 The show wasn't disrupted. The cast read out a message during the curtain call after the show had finished. However the show was disrupted the next night by a drunk Trump suppporter shouting abuse at the stage and taking ten minutes to be removed by front of house staff. I go to theatres / he cinema to relax and be entertained, not spraffled at by some pretentious wank who doesn't even have a proper occupation, or even vaguely live in the real world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) I go to theatres / he cinema to relax and be entertained, not spraffled at by some pretentious wank who doesn't even have a proper occupation, or even vaguely live in the real world. I didn't say I agreed with them making the statement. And if they are pretentious wankers without real occupations why do you pay good money to see them? Edited November 21, 2016 by Tazio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) The show wasn't disrupted. The cast read out a message during the curtain call after the show had finished. However the show was disrupted the next night by a drunk Trump suppporter shouting abuse at the stage and taking ten minutes to be removed by front of house staff. So the show was disrupted as a direct result of the cast deciding it was appropriate to make a political statement from the stage, and provoking a response. I think the display of luvvie and pop star and "celebrity" endorsements of Hillary in the last few days of the campaign probably helped Trump over the line. Why do these people think their opinions are worth more than anyone elses? Edited November 21, 2016 by Francis Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 I fail to see how a statement after the curtain call disrupted the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 What the cast member said: "You know, we have a guest in the audience this evening. Vice President-elect Pence, I see you walking out but I hope you hear just a few more moments. There's nothing to boo, ladies and gentlemen. There's nothing to boo. We're all here sharing a story of love. We have a message for you, sir, we hope that you will hear us out." "And I encourage everybody to pull out your phones and tweet and post because this message needs to be spread far and wide. Vice President-elect Pence, we welcome you and we truly thank you for joining us here at Hamilton: An American Musical. We really do." "We, sir, are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us: our planet, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights, sir. But we truly hope this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and to work on behalf of all of us. All of us." This was read out after the show finished so the performance was not interrupted. Quite how anyone can have any problem with this is beyond me, particularly when you consider some of the things that Pence has come out with in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 So the show was disrupted as a direct result of the cast deciding it was appropriate to make a political statement from the stage, and provoking a response. I think the display of luvvie and pop star and "celebrity" endorsements of Hillary in the last few days of the campaign probably helped Trump over the line. Why do these people think their opinions are worth more than anyone elses? Who says that they think that? They/he, had an opportunity to speak to the VP elect, and they used that. It's a bit like lobbying, really. But how often does an actor get the opportunity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) Who says that they think that? They/he, had an opportunity to speak to the VP elect, and they used that. It's a bit like lobbying, really. But how often does an actor get the opportunity? They (actors, singers etc) take the opportunity all too often it seems to me. It is somewhat ironic that the Hamilton biography and the musical play on which it is based glosses over the supposed lifelong abolitionist Hamilton's marrying into a slave owning family and conducting slave trading on behalf that family and, it is thought, having two house slaves. Edited November 21, 2016 by Francis Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 I fail to see how a statement after the curtain call disrupted the show. The disruption the following night would not have happened but for the reading of the statement the previous night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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