The 2015 General Election Megathread

[maroonlegions]

Your opinions are shite anaw

 

And so are yours, sweet heart. 

[JamboX2]

Fair enough, and I get that the unionist parties (especially the Labour party) need to evolve to cope with the new political landscape. A constitutional convention/commission looking at the whole UK would, I agree, settle things for the time being, perhaps putting the SNP's gas at a peep.

 

But it is how the Labour Party reacts to this new reality. The door is open for them to succeed in Scotland. Whether they take the opportunity is to be seen.

I didn't mean to be aggressive to you in the beginning of that post. But I do agree with your points there. It's up to Labour to step up.

[JamboX2]

Fair enough, and I get that the unionist parties (especially the Labour party) need to evolve to cope with the new political landscape. A constitutional convention/commission looking at the whole UK would, I agree, settle things for the time being, perhaps putting the SNP's gas at a peep.

 

But it is how the Labour Party reacts to this new reality. The door is open for them to succeed in Scotland. Whether they take the opportunity is to be seen.

I didn't mean to be aggressive to you in the beginning of that post. But I do agree with your points there. It's up to Labour to step up.

[JamboX2]

Who's next for Scottish Labour?

 

Will it make any difference who they choose?

His report and the willingness to change will determine the success of the next leader.

 

As for runners and riders I'd say it'll be an MSP and be between Dugdale, Marra and Findlay.

[jambos are go!]

Murphy has resigned.

 

Really disappointed, Surely he cant be lost to politics.

[maroonlegions]

Labour really need to get back to their traditional working class roots especially in Scotland , Blair's vision of his "new labour" in my opinion started the "red tories" label long ago and which was manifested at times in this general election. Some may even  argue or have the perception that the Scots on a whole have a "social" or more left of centre mentality as seen by the gradual decline of support for the tories in Scotland.

 

Do certain nations populations have a combined subconscious leaning towards a caring aspect to their psyche or rather  do they actually have  a collective unconscious that has a strong community based social caring to their natures instead of the feck you jack im alright attitude that is so prevalent of Tory polices that attracts  large numbers of voters of the same thinking?? i am of the opinion that most Scots by their very nature are in that mould of the "social caring" collective. Just an opinion i have be it shoite or not.     

[2NaFish]

And so are yours, sweet heart. 

 

Even when involved in a slagging match all you can do is effectively copy and paste what the other person says.

 

Labour really need to get back to their traditional working class roots especially in Scotland , Blair's vision of his "new labour" in my opinion started the "red tories" label long ago and which was manifested at times in this general election. Some may even  argue or have the perception that the Scots on a whole have a "social" or more left of centre mentality as seen by the gradual decline of support for the tories in Scotland.

 

Do certain nations populations have a combined subconscious leaning towards a caring aspect to their psyche or rather  do they actually have  a collective unconscious that has a strong community based social caring to their natures instead of the feck you jack im alright attitude that is so prevalent of Tory polices that attracts  large numbers of voters of the same thinking?? i am of the opinion that most Scots by their very nature are in that mould of the "social caring" collective. Just an opinion i have be it shoite or not.     

 

This is also the sort of sanctimonious, baseless drivel that gives GW and maganator more grist for the mill.

[Harry Palmer]

Really disappointed, Surely he cant be lost to politics.

 

Not running for the Scottish Parliament.

 

He's taken a swipe at Len McLuskey/Unite too.

 

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-32760196

[Gorgiewave]

Labour really need to get back to their traditional working class roots especially in Scotland , Blair's vision of his "new labour" in my opinion started the "red tories" label long ago and which was manifested at times in this general election. Some may even  argue or have the perception that the Scots on a whole have a "social" or more left of centre mentality as seen by the gradual decline of support for the tories in Scotland.

 

Do certain nations populations have a combined subconscious leaning towards a caring aspect to their psyche or rather  do they actually have  a collective unconscious that has a strong community based social caring to their natures instead of the feck you jack im alright attitude that is so prevalent of Tory polices that attracts  large numbers of voters of the same thinking?? i am of the opinion that most Scots by their very nature are in that mould of the "social caring" collective. Just an opinion i have be it shoite or not.     

 

Much better.

 

I don't think Scotland is much more left-wing; believing itself to be left wing is just part of his self-adoring (masturbatory) mythology.

 

Seriously, though, why content oneself, with oneself?

Edited May 16, 2015 by Gorgiewave

[Arnold Rothstein]

Labour really need to get back to their traditional working class roots especially in Scotland , Blair's vision of his "new labour" in my opinion started the "red tories" label long ago and which was manifested at times in this general election. Some may even  argue or have the perception that the Scots on a whole have a "social" or more left of centre mentality as seen by the gradual decline of support for the tories in Scotland.

 

Do certain nations populations have a combined subconscious leaning towards a caring aspect to their psyche or rather  do they actually have  a collective unconscious that has a strong community based social caring to their natures instead of the feck you jack im alright attitude that is so prevalent of Tory polices that attracts  large numbers of voters of the same thinking?? i am of the opinion that most Scots by their very nature are in that mould of the "social caring" collective. Just an opinion i have be it shoite or not.     

 

What rubbish. Why would Scots care more than anyone else? Might it just be a long standing dependency on social handouts from a portion of the country that makes it seem more "socialist"?

[maroonlegions]

Even when involved in a slagging match all you can do is effectively copy and paste what the other person says.

 

 

This is also the sort of sanctimonious, baseless drivel that gives GW and maganator more grist for the mill.

 

Slagging match, is that your childish perception , ok then , copying and pasting my own reply, feck your opinions of me are shoite right enough. 

 

Please elaborate on the sanctimonious and baseless drivel  or are you just a rather rude troll . Remember it was you who started it with "your opinions are shoite too" reply to me.

 

Very easy to just reply to someone's post  with sweeping generalisations, bash on though for you are beginning top sound like a right  shoie stirrer , your decorum and manners  in general  at times is rank and your total lack of respect to me is bordering on creepy to someone you nothing about and have never met. Look forward to your sanctimonious and bases less drivel that no doubt will contain more about me than the actual topic of my last post you attacked.  

 

Oh and as i have said before i do not give a feck if you or anyone does  not like my posts or even my opinions, so do bash on darling. 

Edited May 16, 2015 by maroonlegions

[2NaFish]

Slagging match, is that your childish perception , ok then , copying and pasting my own reply, feck your opinions of me are shoite right enough. 

 

Please elaborate on the sanctimonious and baseless drivel  or are you just a rather rude troll . Remember it was you who started it with "your opinions are shoite too" reply to me.

 

Very easy to just reply to someone's post  with sweeping generalisations, bash on though for you are beginning top sound like a right  shoie stirrer , your decorum and manners  in general  at times is rank and your total lack of respect to me is bordering on creepy to someone you nothing about and have never met. Look forward to your sanctimonious and bases less drivel that no doubt will contain more about me than the actual topic of my last post you attacked.  

 

Oh and as i have said before i do not give a feck if you or anyone does  not like my posts or even my opinions, so do bash on darling. 

 

 

It's sanctimonious and baseless. That's the thing that it is - you can't ask "how is it sanctimonious and baseless"  because those are things that it is. It can't be elaborated upon as those are the base units of my point.

[Harry Palmer]

Can we rename this "The Big ****-off  Politics" thread?

 

There's a lot of overlapping with the Scottish election already and there'll be plenty to discuss regarding UK politics too.

 

 

 

Just a suggestion...

Edited May 16, 2015 by Harry Palmer

[pablo]

I don't think I could support someone called Tristram Hunt, no matter what he had to say for himself.

[JAYEL]

Murphy has resigned.

 

 

He actually won the vote of confidence 55% - 45%

 

 

http://wingsoverscotland.com/covering-all-bases/

 

 

 

Maybe he will do a Farage

[Boab]

He actually won the vote of confidence 55% - 45%

 

 

http://wingsoverscotland.com/covering-all-bases/

 

 

 

Maybe he will do a Farage

Was that the percentage ?

Sweet...!

[maroonlegions]

It's sanctimonious and baseless. That's the thing that it is - you can't ask "how is it sanctimonious and baseless"  because those are things that it is. It can't be elaborated upon as those are the base units of my point.

You mean i cant argue or even defend my post from  your assumptions that my post was  sanctimonious and baseless because you have decided that your "sanctimonious and baseless" assumptions are beyond reproach , fine, if you cant elaborate on why my opinion on the Scots being a caring and social people in nature and that Blair's new labour effectively loss Labour is link with its working class roots then where is there hope for in depth debates or discussions?? 

 

   A bit sanctimonious is it not  to imply that your original rebuttal of that particular post by me  is beyond debate or discussion just because its the primary  basis of your point and  which to me lacked any coherent rebuttals of the points i originally made in the first place. In fact that  rebuttal of yours seemed more  "sanctimonious"  and baseless because you offered no opinion of why you called it   "sanctimonious"  and baseless. 

 

Sounds more like attempted censorship or total avoidance of explaining why you feel my post was  "sanctimonious" and baseless. Cant be that hard too form a rebuttal or base an opinion on my opinions of Blair's new labour moulding Labour away from its grass roots or that the Scots are more of a social caring people.

Edited May 16, 2015 by maroonlegions

[2NaFish]

Jesus.

 

I said it was sanctimonious and baseless because the thoughts expressed are at once without base and sanctimonious. The next stage in a rational debate would be for you to explain why what you said wasn't either of those things. As it is you've just turned my points back round at me, and that doesnt make any sense - the basis of my post was the words you wrote, and my post wasn't sanctimonious because it expresses no affected righteousness; i can only fathom, from your usage, that you have no concept of that sanctimony is.

 

Your above post is some of the worst gibberish i've ever read in my entire life. You're arguing about words you clearly don't understand.

Edited May 16, 2015 by 2NaFish

[deesidejambo]

I don't think I could support someone called Tristram Hunt, no matter what he had to say for himself.

Why not?  You hate Toffs?   Nice.

[Hasselhoff]

Just saw the description of the Will Smith film "Focus" - serial liar Nicky Spurgeon.

 

"Nicky Spurgeon is an extremely accomplished con man who takes an amateur con artist, Jess, under his wing. Nicky and Jess become romantically involved, and with Nicky's profession of being a liar and a cheater for a living, he realizes that deception and love are things that don't go together. They split, only to see each other three years later... And things get messy."

Edited May 16, 2015 by Hasselhoff

[JAYEL]

Jim's gracious farewell speech

 

 

http://atrueindependentscotland.com/bitter-murphy-quits-blames-everyone-but-himself/

[maroonlegions]

Very well said , human rights are for everyone are were made with human compassion, fairness, respect and justice, not to be bargained for like some stock market share price, is nothing sacred to these elite self serving tyrants. 

 

*Warning copy and paste photo below*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[deesidejambo]

Very well said , human rights are for everyone are were made with human compassion, fairness, respect and justice, not to be bargained for like some stock market share price, is nothing sacred to these elite self serving tyrants. 

 

*Warning copy and paste photo below*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Name these "self-serving elite tyrants" please.      Who in particular are you referring to?

[aussieh]

Name these "self-serving elite tyrants" please. Who in particular are you referring to?

Blair, Murphy, Mandelson, Campbell, Cameron, Osborne, Gove, Boris, May, IDS, Murdoch, Hunt, etc...

 

Oh, I nearly forgot, Begg.

Edited May 16, 2015 by aussieh

[maroonlegions]

Jesus.

 

I said it was sanctimonious and baseless because the thoughts expressed are at once without base and sanctimonious. The next stage in a rational debate would be for you to explain why what you said wasn't either of those things. As it is you've just turned my points back round at me, and that doesnt make any sense - the basis of my post was the words you wrote, and my post wasn't sanctimonious because it expresses no affected righteousness; i can only fathom, from your usage, that you have no concept of that sanctimony is.

 

Your above post is some of the worst gibberish i've ever read in my entire life. You're arguing about words you clearly don't understand.

 

 

Feck you are hard work  and  skilled at avoiding answering my question.

 

 I will ask you again , base an argument or opinion as to WHY you found my post baseless and sanctimonious , if you recall you gave NO reasons, no basis and no reasons why you found my post to be baseless and sanctimonious. You state i have turned your points around at you, what  points are you on about, show me were you have made any points in relation as to why you think my post was baseless and sanctimonious. You are clearing avoiding answering that question by answering it with a question,.

 

Your above rebuttal is one of the worst cases i have come across in the form  of avoiding answering a straight forward question , pure gibberish and full of intensional deflection away from the question i posed to you , which as you know very well was, explain your reasons as to why my opinion on Blair"s New Labour" and the "Scots caring mentality" was baseless, simple to understand surely.  

 

Lets focus on your "baseless" claim of Blair"s  New Labour" and  the "Scots mentality of social caring", for remember you included the baseless claim in both of these opinions by me.

You cannot hide behind the "sanctimonious" claim there.I take you know the meaning of the word bassless  and in the context you have used it along with sanctimonious in your original reply to that post you found bassles and yes here it is again "sanctimonious".    

 

Are you seriously claiming that the very usage of the term "sanctimonious" is by definition a beyond reproach rebuttal in our argument.??  Another point,  is it not by definition that to form any rebuttal you have to explain the nature of that rebuttal ??  or at least explain your reasons for it, which i may add  you have not done once. In fact you have just concentrated on attacking me instead and are deflecting attention away from the fact that i posed you a question  and the word sticking out to me  in that question is WHY, why  do you feel my post was BASSLESS, what was bassless about it, that is my question to you, jesus .

 

In response to  your claim that i do not know the true meaning of the word "sanctimonious"  can you show me were  i have came across or even pretended to be any of the following   definitions below  of that very word "sanctimonious", 

 

"The sanctimonious person sounds like a hypocrite when he preaches to a friend about the evils of drugs, while he drinks one beer after another".

"Sanctimonious is a twist on the words sanctity and sacred, which mean holy or religious. A sanctimonious person might think he's holy, but their attitude comes across more like "holier-than-thou." Though sanctimonious people might try to act like saints, their actions are far from pure or holy, which just makes them sound like hypocrites".

 

 

 Is it not the case that i  merely only offered an opinion , yes  an opinion, nothing more, that contain no hypocrisy , no twisting of words, no holier than thou attitude and an opinion    that you found not to your own personal liking and decided for what ever reason to attack me and try to my me look  sanctimonious. I put it to you that its you  that did not use the word "sanctimonious in its proper or correct context  in this argument and its you who is in fact coming across in a sanctimonious way.   

[maroonlegions]

Name these "self-serving elite tyrants" please.      Who in particular are you referring to?

 Feck, like you dont know..

[maroonlegions]

Blair, Murphy, Mandelson, Campbell, Cameron, Osborne, Gove, Boris, May, IDS, Murdoch, Hunt, etc...

 

Oh, I nearly forgot, Begg.

 

 

Bang on Aussie.

[Gorgiewave]

Very well said , human rights are for everyone are were made with human compassion, fairness, respect and justice, not to be bargained for like some stock market share price, is nothing sacred to these elite self serving tyrants. 

 

*Warning copy and paste photo below*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here's another cut and paste.

 

[Malinga the Swinga]

Blair, Murphy, Mandelson, Campbell, Cameron, Osborne, Gove, Boris, May, IDS, Murdoch, Hunt, etc...

Oh, I nearly forgot, Begg.

you forgot Salmond, MacAskill and Stureon.

[2NaFish]

No holier than thou attitude? You said Scottish people were innately more caring than others. Its sanctimonious pish.

[JAYEL]

Sign up for another election........

 

 

https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-the-conservative-party-running-the-uk?source=facebook-share-button&time=1431785464

 

 

 

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

No holier than thou attitude? You said Scottish people were innately more caring than others. Its sanctimonious pish.

 

You don't even need to bother with the word sanctimonious. It's just pish.

[2NaFish]

You don't even need to bother with the word sanctimonious. It's just pish.

 

I foolishly thought i'd qualify it with a descriptor. I got this for my efforts...

 

Feck you are hard work  and  skilled at avoiding answering my question.

 

 I will ask you again , base an argument or opinion as to WHY you found my post baseless and sanctimonious , if you recall you gave NO reasons, no basis and no reasons why you found my post to be baseless and sanctimonious. You state i have turned your points around at you, what  points are you on about, show me were you have made any points in relation as to why you think my post was baseless and sanctimonious. You are clearing avoiding answering that question by answering it with a question,.

 

Your above rebuttal is one of the worst cases i have come across in the form  of avoiding answering a straight forward question , pure gibberish and full of intensional deflection away from the question i posed to you , which as you know very well was, explain your reasons as to why my opinion on Blair"s New Labour" and the "Scots caring mentality" was baseless, simple to understand surely.

 

Lets focus on your "baseless" claim of Blair"s  New Labour" and  the "Scots mentality of social caring", for remember you included the baseless claim in both of these opinions by me.

You cannot hide behind the "sanctimonious" claim there.I take you know the meaning of the word bassless  and in the context you have used it along with sanctimonious in your original reply to that post you found bassles and yes here it is again "sanctimonious".    

 

Are you seriously claiming that the very usage of the term "sanctimonious" is by definition a beyond reproach rebuttal in our argument.??  Another point,  is it not by definition that to form any rebuttal you have to explain the nature of that rebuttal ??  or at least explain your reasons for it, which i may add  you have not done once. In fact you have just concentrated on attacking me instead and are deflecting attention away from the fact that i posed you a question  and the word sticking out to me  in that question is WHY, why  do you feel my post was BASSLESS, what was bassless about it, that is my question to you, jesus .

 

In response to  your claim that i do not know the true meaning of the word "sanctimonious"  can you show me were  i have came across or even pretended to be any of the following   definitions below  of that very word "sanctimonious", 

 

"The sanctimonious person sounds like a hypocrite when he preaches to a friend about the evils of drugs, while he drinks one beer after another".

"Sanctimonious is a twist on the words sanctity and sacred, which mean holy or religious. A sanctimonious person might think he's holy, but their attitude comes across more like "holier-than-thou." Though sanctimonious people might try to act like saints, their actions are far from pure or holy, which just makes them sound like hypocrites".

 

 

 Is it not the case that i  merely only offered an opinion , yes  an opinion, nothing more, that contain no hypocrisy , no twisting of words, no holier than thou attitude and an opinion    that you found not to your own personal liking and decided for what ever reason to attack me and try to my me look  sanctimonious. I put it to you that its you  that did not use the word "sanctimonious in its proper or correct context  in this argument and its you who is in fact coming across in a sanctimonious way.   

[Hasselhoff]

Sign up for another election........

 

 

https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-the-conservative-party-running-the-uk?source=facebook-share-button&time=1431785464

 

 

 

Calling for an immediate revote? Do you think the last one was rigged? Why would the result be any different now?

[deesidejambo]

Blair, Murphy, Mandelson, Campbell, Cameron, Osborne, Gove, Boris, May, IDS, Murdoch, Hunt, etc...

 

Oh, I nearly forgot, Begg.

At least you didn't mention Dugdale.   

[maroonlegions]

No holier than thou attitude? You said Scottish people were innately more caring than others. Its sanctimonious pish.

 

 I said IS there a "collective unconscious of Scots that is more inclined to be "social caring" and more "left of center" and also said "natural to their psyche", was Carl Jung sanctimonious when he stated that  he believed or thought  that there very well might be a " collective human  unconscious" More taken out of context pesh.   

[maroonlegions]

Here's another cut and paste.

 

 

 

Raise you the late great Bill Hicks.

 

Edited May 16, 2015 by maroonlegions

[Gorgiewave]

I don't think I could support someone called Tristram Hunt, no matter what he had to say for himself.

 

Thank heavens for our high quality electorate.

 

[maroonlegions]

I foolishly thought i'd qualify it with a descriptor. I got this for my efforts...

 

 

Still no effort in forming a genuine answer to my question as to why you claim that  my opinion  of Blair's new Labour that i think  swung  Labour away from its grass roots is baseless  but do bash on with your endless character attacks. You foolishly claimed i was being sanctimonious too when i was nothing of the sort.    

Edited May 16, 2015 by maroonlegions

[maroonlegions]

Here's another cut and paste.

 

 

Here  is another wee snippet , UK government facing serious breaches of disability rights, Ian Duncan Smith must be proud eh, hideous man, truly a cold blooded and Heartless man , like those he serves.

 

 

 

snippet;

" The United Nations has given its firmest indication yet that it is carrying out a secret, high-level inquiry into serious breaches of its disability convention by the UK government.

 

"Disability News Service (DNS) revealed last August that the UK government appeared to have become the first country to face an inquiry by the UN?s Committee on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (CRPD), due to alleged ?grave or systemic violations? of the rights of disabled people".

 

link;http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/un-gives-strongest-clue-yet-that-uk-is-facing-inquiry-over-violation-of-convention/

[ToadKiller Dog]

Even Tory councillors are telling Blackadder enough with the cuts .

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/may/16/tory-councils-osborne-no-further-austerity

[Cade]

It's amazing that everybody knew ?12billion of cuts were going to be made but millions quite happily voted Tory despite them refusing to say WHERE these cuts would be made.

 

Tory councils are now suddenly realizing that they're about to be hammered and are moaning about it.

 

Bit late now, ya plums.

[JAYEL]

Calling for an immediate revote? Do you think the last one was rigged? Why would the result be any different now?

 

 

[aussieh]

you forgot Salmond, MacAskill and Stureon.

etc...

[deesidejambo]

It's amazing that everybody knew ?12billion of cuts were going to be made but millions quite happily voted Tory despite them refusing to say WHERE these cuts would be made.

 

Tory councils are now suddenly realizing that they're about to be hammered and are moaning about it.

 

Bit late now, ya plums.

Nothing amazing about people voting for 12bln cuts without the details.  As long as it comes from welfare benefits in some form or other.

[deesidejambo]

Here  is another wee snippet , UK government facing serious breaches of disability rights, Ian Duncan Smith must be proud eh, hideous man, truly a cold blooded and Heartless man , like those he serves.

 

 

 

snippet;

" The United Nations has given its firmest indication yet that it is carrying out a secret, high-level inquiry into serious breaches of its disability convention by the UK government.

 

"Disability News Service (DNS) revealed last August that the UK government appeared to have become the first country to face an inquiry by the UN?s Committee on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (CRPD), due to alleged ?grave or systemic violations? of the rights of disabled people".

 

link;http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/un-gives-strongest-clue-yet-that-uk-is-facing-inquiry-over-violation-of-convention/

Post a specific example, without cutting and pasting, of how the disabled are being discriminated against.

[JAYEL]

Labour losing more of its core support in Scotland

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/events/945089608844424/

[aussieh]

Labour need to vote Burnam, if they elect Cooper its game over.

[Thaw]

Decent performance from Burnham on Andrew Marr, I thought.

[JamboX2]

I would have liked a strong female candidate for Labour UK leader. Cooper is one of those who could do it. But I think her husband will hold her back once she becomes leader and the right wing press will go for him.

 

Burnham is a good speaker, he looks the part and he's a northern MP. He's not a London based or southern sounding leader. He has done very good at his Health and Education posts and he's got a broader character regarding his support for the Justice for the 96 and Bradford fires inquiries.

 

He's probably a better bet than Kendall or Hunt but like all these candidates he's from the Blairite wing and will likely drop some of the two Ed's economic reforms on energy etc.

 

If anyone should be avoided as the next leader its Chukka Umunna. A man who is to the right of the party. Sounds more like a LibDem and would kill any hope of revivals in the heartlands where support was lost.