rossthejambo Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 These trams are a nightmare for congestion too. Anyone noticed that? what are these things for! Can't say I've noticed any difference from before they went in. It's summer, traffics always heaving at this time of year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Congestion is horrific at haymarket , north bridge at princes st , and Waverley bridge at princes st it was never that bad before Btw there is a line cross over at shandwick place so it'll be a reduced distance to there whilst the street parties on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N User Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Haymarket is messed up and the lights need sorted. I'd put that down to CEC's incompetence rather than tram congestion though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
systemx Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Please re-open the South Sub to passenger traffic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_jambo Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Can't say I've noticed any difference from before they went in. It's summer, traffics always heaving at this time of year. You don't commute round West End do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMac Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 That light train you speak of is a tram. Trains require platforms. DLR also runs on a conductor rail and you can't have 650 volts right next to the public. The do in Bordeaux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_jambo Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) The do in Bordeaux Public transport that can't be near the public. Interesting theory from him who you have to admit. Edited June 18, 2014 by scott_jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Public transport that can't be near the public. Interesting theory from him who you have to admit. Hahaha who said that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_jambo Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) Hahaha who said that? You said. "You can't have 650 volts near right next to the public". How do you think I got on the train? Edited June 18, 2014 by scott_jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 You said. "You can't have 650 volts near right next to the public". How do you think I got on the train? You certainly never climbed over a conductor rail I can assure you of that. Put one of them in an open street and you'd be peeling someone off it by the end of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_jambo Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) You certainly never climbed over a conductor rail I can assure you of that. Put one of them in an open street and you'd be peeling someone off it by the end of the day. You're right, I've never climbed over a conductor rail. Edited June 18, 2014 by scott_jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-level_power_supply So the system is much more expensive and has proved temperamental - that would have made Edinburgh Trams even more popular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Interesting to see all these other cities adopting trams though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 (edited) Oops Edited June 19, 2014 by 3fingersreid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Left Nut Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 (edited) Last night was brutal! Got of the tram at the west end after it sat at the stop for 5 minutes and walk back to get a 44. The 44 then passed the tram only to get stuck at the lights at Shandwick Place for 10 minutes! No idea what the hell is going on the that junction but it's a fecking nightmare! Can't remember it being that bad before the trams. Plus it was fecking roasting and those leather seats don't help!! Edited June 19, 2014 by My Left Nut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimpos Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 The Bordeaux system isn't a conductor rail, it's a series of contact strips with a power supply at each one and only has current when the tram is fully on top of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_jambo Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 The Bordeaux system isn't a conductor rail, it's a series of contact strips with a power supply at each one and only has current when the tram is fully on top of it. Correct. Electromagnetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig_ Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Please re-open the South Sub to passenger traffic. There's talk of doing it, think it was mentioned in the development plan the council put out recently. Not that that's any guarantee of anything ever being done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/royal-highland-show-warns-avoid-the-tram-1-3450152 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/royal-highland-show-warns-avoid-the-tram-1-3450152 Brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 So the trams don't go to the Royal Highland Showground. Is this news? Perhaps they should have spent additional millions building a branch line there to be used 3 days a year. I'm sure that wouldn't have added to the seethe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Buaben Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 They should have done a monorail system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 The trams website also advertise the trams as "only 1200 meters from the Zoo". ONLY 1200 METERS ONLY 1200 METERS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do The Dance Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 The trams website also advertise the trams as "only 1200 meters from the Zoo". ONLY 1200 METERS ONLY 1200 METERS 1200 meters, less than the distance of a walk between Tynie and Murrayfield. It's not far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_jambo Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 1200 meters, less than the distance of a walk between Tynie and Murrayfield. It's not far. Not very snappy from a marketing point of view... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 1200 meters when there's usually kids involved is a fair distance and as to building a stop for the RHS that only gets used 4 times a year how many times is murrayfield used and that was the single most expensive stop built ( most of the egg chasers will walk back into town) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 There are more people living around Murrayfield than around the Royal Highland Showground and the station is on the route anyway, it didn't require a new line, spur or diversion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_jambo Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 There are more people living around Murrayfield than around the Royal Highland Showground and the station is on the route anyway, it didn't require a new line, spur or diversion. I don't think people were comparing Murrayfield to the RHS. They were comparing Murrayfield to the Zoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 1200 meters when there's usually kids involved is a fair distance and as to building a stop for the RHS that only gets used 4 times a year how many times is murrayfield used and that was the single most expensive stop built ( most of the egg chasers will walk back into town) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 More people over the course of a year will go to the zoo than will go to murrayfield so why is the stop closer to the stadium than the zoo ? Too many of the tram stops are too far from the bulk of the people living on or close to the line which is the biggest problem I have with it (aside from the cost) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 More people over the course of a year will go to the zoo than will go to murrayfield so why is the stop closer to the stadium than the zoo ? Too many of the tram stops are too far from the bulk of the people living on or close to the line which is the biggest problem I have with it (aside from the cost) They probably think Murrayfield is a lot posher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoJack Horseman Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 The trams are purely for tourists getting to and from the airport. Nothing more. It's a tourist attraction at the inconvenience of the rest of the city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 More people over the course of a year will go to the zoo than will go to murrayfield so why is the stop closer to the stadium than the zoo ? Too many of the tram stops are too far from the bulk of the people living on or close to the line which is the biggest problem I have with it (aside from the cost) All the more reason for its extension down Leith Walk - the most densely populated area in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 All the more reason for its extension down Leith Walk - the most densely populated area in Scotland. Why, there is already a good bus service in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlasgoJambo Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 All the more reason for its extension down Leith Walk - the most densely populated area in Scotland. dense population Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 dense population Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 All the more reason for its extension down Leith Walk - the most densely populated area in Scotland. Aye there's only the 9 bus routes there already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Why, there is already a good bus service in place. For the same reasons cities all over Europe and beyond are introducing or reintroducing tram services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Aye there's only the 9 bus routes there already All those buses? Pumping out all those fumes? Should just take an electric tram. Clean, comfortable and much more likely to get commuters out of their cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 More people over the course of a year will go to the zoo than will go to murrayfield so why is the stop closer to the stadium than the zoo ? Too many of the tram stops are too far from the bulk of the people living on or close to the line which is the biggest problem I have with it (aside from the cost) If you wanted the line nearer the zoo would you have it running along Corstorphine / St Johns Rd? It would probably (currently) pick up more passengers but some people think trams cause congestion. What would they make of trams running along St Johns road? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 The trams website also advertise the trams as "only 1200 meters from the Zoo". ONLY 1200 METERS ONLY 1200 METERS That is only about 4 minutes away. If your name is Mo Farah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I need to take public transport to the airport on Monday, flight is at 18.50 so looking to get there about an hour before. I was thinking about getting a bus into Edinburgh centre then taking the tram, is this the best option and at what time should I be aiming to get into Edinburgh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambothump Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 The trams are purely for tourists getting to and from the airport. Nothing more. It's a tourist attraction at the inconvenience of the rest of the city. Rubbish, cars and buses used to be backed up at South Gyle Crescent from the round about at the East. all the way to the Royal Mail building between 4.30 and 6.15 every week day. Clear now, build up starts after the round about heading into town. People out that way are obviously using the trams, I use a motorbike, to get to and from work, but tram if heading into town after work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester™ Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) I'd be more for the trams if there were concrete plans in place to expand them properly (as I've said previously I agree with the principle but fully against the implementation). I've been on tram networks in a number of countries and cities, though none of them seem to want to expand, judging by the chats with locals. All of them have substantial networks with more than one line to two certain places. I was recently in Norway and of the four cities I visited, Oslo and Bergen had them. Oslo's were fairly rickety (as have been most of the trams I've been in!) and Bergen's seem to have just been upgraded. The main thing is they both had a proper network, with a variety of destinations and all (from what I was told) at a fraction of the cost of our one line. I've been having a wee think about it and I really do feel that more would be for the trams if there was more trust in the Council. I dont know many who have positive things to say about those that make certain financial situations and this has, IMO, clearly influenced, rightly I think, people's opinions about them. The political point scoring has not helped either, further influencing opinions. I have to ask, to those on both sides of the fence, do you trust the Council to expand the network without making a total **** up of it again? Edited June 20, 2014 by Chester? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_jambo Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) Rubbish, cars and buses used to be backed up at South Gyle Crescent from the round about at the East. all the way to the Royal Mail building between 4.30 and 6.15 every week day. Clear now, build up starts after the round about heading into town. People out that way are obviously using the trams, I use a motorbike, to get to and from work, but tram if heading into town after work. Ok. It is for tourists and people at south gyle crescent. Thank god South Gyle Crescent is less busy. ?800 million well spent. The west end at town is backed up during rush hour but as long as South gyle crescent is ok. Edited June 20, 2014 by scott_jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I need to take public transport to the airport on Monday, flight is at 18.50 so looking to get there about an hour before. I was thinking about getting a bus into Edinburgh centre then taking the tram, is this the best option and at what time should I be aiming to get into Edinburgh? If you have plenty time get the bus (100) at Waverley Bridge at about 16:30 gets to the airport about 5 O'clock get through the security once you have arrived chill out with your favourite tipple until it's time to board. 2 hours free wi-fi at the airport. Enjoy your trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 If you wanted the line nearer the zoo would you have it running along Corstorphine / St Johns Rd? It would probably (currently) pick up more passengers but some people think trams cause congestion. What would they make of trams running along St Johns road? 810,000 visitors in 2013 surely means it should at least mean it was seriously looked at , obviously no chance of it going along St Johns rd so what about turning down at Pink hill then turning southward along the golf course using the walkway that once was a railway line and on the route it takes from Balgreen? Surely the idea is to get as many on the tram as possible yet from haymarket heading west the only stop that is really easily accessible to a large number of the public is at Carrickknowe before it gets to the Gyle . When the dark nights come back I'd be surprised if any elderly folk and single women fancy standing at the Balgreen stop given that it's very isolated and only accessible by walking up a lane between the old Jenners depository building and a brick wall. As to the reduction in traffic congestion absolute shite haymarket ,Waverley bridge and the north bridge at princes st is horrific the pollution levels WILL be up in they areas . 9 minutes I sat at the haymarket junction on Wednesday surrounded by vehicles with engines running , the tram might be green but it's power source supply and the fumes from other vehicles in jams certainly nullify that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 If you have plenty time get the bus (100) at Waverley Bridge at about 16:30 gets to the airport about 5 O'clock get through the security once you have arrived chill out with your favourite tipple until it's time to board. 2 hours free wi-fi at the airport. Enjoy your trip. Thanks for that, so I'm better (quicker) taking the bus than the tram. Crazy!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Thanks for that, so I'm better (quicker) taking the bus than the tram. Crazy!! The tram gives you a more reliable journey time. Leaving town along Corstorphine Road at 5pm less so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavrentiy Beria Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 All the Tram "staff" look like Hobos . I don't like them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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