periodictabledancer Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 2 hours ago, doctor jambo said: I think this may be the first time a member of the public decides if they have been a victim of a crime. And this is merely accepted. Then if the prosecution threshold has not been met, it gets recorded against you and kept on file. Thats madness . If it's done repearedly, that's harrassment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 6 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Thats kind of the point- if I get reported, but have not committed a crime, it still gets logged against me as a hate incident. Sorry, the police should not have the authority to decide that. i am either guilty of a crime or I’m not. guilt / innocence that is the bedrock. not “secret watch list “ as a third option . Yep 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montpelier Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 39 minutes ago, Libertarian said: The SNP have completely lost the plot since Salmond resigned as leader. A recent poll suggests that they will win 41 seats at the next British election. I don't believe it. Everyone's one I know, including Independence supporters like me utterly detest the SNP and will never vote for them again. 100% this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 1 minute ago, Lord Montpelier said: 100% this. Trying to create a utopian inclusive dreamland in a country that has singularly failed to integrate its Irish population after 500 years was always going to be a challenge . Doing it by using thought policing by employers, and weaponising legislation to suppress ideas the state disapproves of , and the police reborn as tools of state oppression ( forgetting the nations history in the miners strikes) is utter stupidity. So Humza will have hate incidents recorded against him, as will numerous others, because the bill is ridiculous . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Some arguing that the HCA is the same as in Englandm, " so whats the problem"? . Wrong In England it has been ruled unlawful to record non crime hate incidents(in other words something that isn't a crime but offends the permanently offended) In England you can't be potentially prosecuted for something you say in the privacy of your own home (dwelling defence) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 3 hours ago, Gundermann said: One shot is from ACH in Zoom meeting. One is the former LibDem CEO on Twitter. One is The Times. Hardly SNP blogs. I get that you'd vote for anyone to stop the SNP winning Edin West, your choice, but don't make out that ACH is something he's not. He's an odious wee nyaff. IIRC someone got axed for having a grudge, which I think covers all your sources. The way politics works the press don't let go when they have a story until the politician is taken down. Michael Matheson being a prime example. I don't know the guy's personal life (or care about it) but go with what he does in his constituency. The SNP let the constituency down when they had control. They shut their local office and disappeared. That is why they get kept out in Edinburgh West. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 48 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Thats kind of the point- if I get reported, but have not committed a crime, it still gets logged against me as a hate incident. Sorry, the police should not have the authority to decide that. i am either guilty of a crime or I’m not. guilt / innocence that is the bedrock. not “secret watch list “ as a third option . That sounds like a direct conflict with the Data Protection Act. Notably, the "right to be forgotten". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 (edited) Fierce posting from JK ! A shero https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1774747068944265615?s=46&t=Uyg6zS_aUfEwlXY6vOoxzQ Beth is a friend of Alex C H Edited April 1 by JudyJudyJudy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montpelier Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 10 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Fierce posting from JK ! A shero https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1774747068944265615?s=46&t=Uyg6zS_aUfEwlXY6vOoxzQ Beth is a friend of Alex C H Rowling let's rip. Well done her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 (edited) 11 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Fierce posting from JK ! A shero https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1774747068944265615?s=46&t=Uyg6zS_aUfEwlXY6vOoxzQ Beth is a friend of Alex C H yep Edited April 1 by JudyJudyJudy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 1 minute ago, Lord Montpelier said: Rowling let's rip. Well done her. Read the rest of the tweets she really goes for it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Im hoping this isnt an April food. I pointed the exact thing a week or so ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 https://x.com/ch_talks_to/status/1774745039664480526?s=46&t=Uyg6zS_aUfEwlXY6vOoxzQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 2 hours ago, doctor jambo said: Thats kind of the point- if I get reported, but have not committed a crime, it still gets logged against me as a hate incident. Sorry, the police should not have the authority to decide that. i am either guilty of a crime or I’m not. guilt / innocence that is the bedrock. not “secret watch list “ as a third option . Ah ok - I misunderstood your post. In your scenario above though, your identity would only be noted if the "victim" could actually describe to the police your name and/or address. Even online, "doctor jambo" doesn't reveal your identity unless the police somehow have the time and technical skills to unmask you. So unless you're planning to get into a very heated argument with a neighbour or friend or work associate or family member where you make derisory remarks about their religion/ethnicity/gender/sexual orientation etc then I think you're pretty safe. While I agree that this law isn't popular for various reasons, it seems quite likely to tie up police resource in investigating incidents which turn out not to be relevant to the intended aim of the law. Meanwhile the inability to get the police to attend a burglary or car theft promptly will continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 2 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: Ah ok - I misunderstood your post. In your scenario above though, your identity would only be noted if the "victim" could actually describe to the police your name and/or address. Even online, "doctor jambo" doesn't reveal your identity unless the police somehow have the time and technical skills to unmask you. So unless you're planning to get into a very heated argument with a neighbour or friend or work associate or family member where you make derisory remarks about their religion/ethnicity/gender/sexual orientation etc then I think you're pretty safe. While I agree that this law isn't popular for various reasons, it seems quite likely to tie up police resource in investigating incidents which turn out not to be relevant to the intended aim of the law. Meanwhile the inability to get the police to attend a burglary or car theft promptly will continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 5 hours ago, Lord Montpelier said: Many in the Scottish electorate seem to have a need to be told what to do, and the SNP fill this desire. And I'm sure from today the same people in that electorate will be thankful for the SNP telling them what they are allowed to think and say - and giving them powers to make sure others only think and say the same things as them. Scotland has become a cultural bin fire under SNP / Green rule. This is a huge part of the problem with the Scots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 2 minutes ago, Carter said: This is a huge part of the problem with the Scots. When encouraged to be dependent entirely on the state for everything , some may see independent thought as a small sacrifice . As the state expands and intrudes into more of your lives , why be surprised it intrudes into your opinions ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 The highlight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 15 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: The highlight Is that prick going to build more prisons to cope with the increase in incarceration he will no doubt crave? The man is a ****ing disgrace. Him and his terrorist sympathising abomination of a wife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 1 minute ago, henrysmithsgloves said: 😃 Deep Statey, Dark Webby ..... sounds like a person of interest to Liz Truss 😏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 5 minutes ago, Carter said: Is that prick going to build more prisons to cope with the increase in incarceration he will no doubt crave? The man is a ****ing disgrace. Him and his terrorist sympathising abomination of a wife. The Nationalists have probably just reported you to the Police for that comment. 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 1 minute ago, frankblack said: The Nationalists have probably just reported you to the Police for that comment. 😆 He is a disgrace and she is a terrorist sympathiser though 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Where in the hate spectrum do the words "Hun" and "Fenian" rank now ? Especially when they're sung by a several thousand glory hunters at the fitba'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 15 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: Where in the hate spectrum do the words "Hun" and "Fenian" rank now ? Especially when they're sung by a several thousand glory hunters at the fitba'. Soon know at the weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Looks like JC will get a visit too ! https://x.com/joannaccherry/status/1774786411922587728?s=46&t=Uyg6zS_aUfEwlXY6vOoxzQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 29 minutes ago, frankblack said: The Nationalists have probably just reported you to the Police for that comment. 😆 No doubt . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 6 hours ago, doctor jambo said: I think this may be the first time a member of the public decides if they have been a victim of a crime. And this is merely accepted. Then if the prosecution threshold has not been met, it gets recorded against you and kept on file. Thats madness . No, the offence isn't recorded against the alleged perpetrator. The complainant may be kept on file but if anything, that would help deter daft complaints. Anyway, why is this subject on the Indy thread? This isn't a constitutional matter and is supported by all parties, save one or two malcontents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 The JK tweet already has 29,000 likes and 8000 retweets . So that’s possibly 37000 who can be reported and charged / arrested . Humza your gonna have to build a bigger jail sann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 1 minute ago, Gundermann said: No, the offence isn't recorded against the alleged perpetrator. The complainant may be kept on file but if anything, that would help deter daft complaints. Anyway, why is this subject on the Indy thread? This isn't a constitutional matter and is supported by all parties, save one or two malcontents. Wrong again . Deflection again . Good try . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 38 minutes ago, Carter said: Is that prick going to build more prisons to cope with the increase in incarceration he will no doubt crave? The man is a ****ing disgrace. Him and his terrorist sympathising abomination of a wife. Get this so far to ***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Just now, JudyJudyJudy said: Wrong again . Deflection again . Good try . Hardly. Mods, any chance of a tidy up here? This has nowt to do with thread title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 4 hours ago, doctor jambo said: Trying to create a utopian inclusive dreamland in a country that has singularly failed to integrate its Irish population after 500 years was always going to be a challenge . Doing it by using thought policing by employers, and weaponising legislation to suppress ideas the state disapproves of , and the police reborn as tools of state oppression ( forgetting the nations history in the miners strikes) is utter stupidity. So Humza will have hate incidents recorded against him, as will numerous others, because the bill is ridiculous . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Just now, Gundermann said: Hardly. Mods, any chance of a tidy up here? This has nowt to do with thread title. It has everything to do with Indy . It’s a policy driven by the SNP who are the main drivers of Indy . Its give us a glimpse into what an Indy Scotland would be like . The mods will decide what is appropriate and not you . How very fascist and SNP of you to silence opposing views to your own . We see you . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 4 minutes ago, Gundermann said: Get this so far to ***. You're having a nightmare on this thread son. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Just now, Carter said: You're having a nightmare on this thread son. Unreal eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 36 minutes ago, frankblack said: The Nationalists have probably just reported you to the Police for that comment. 😆 That's the moral fibre of nationalists these days - sleekit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 6 minutes ago, Gundermann said: Hardly. Mods, any chance of a tidy up here? This has nowt to do with thread title. Err.... it is relevant to the thread title. Its because of devolution that ScotGov can introduce its own laws (whether we like them or not). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 6 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: It has everything to do with Indy . It’s a policy driven by the SNP who are the main drivers of Indy . Its give us a glimpse into what an Indy Scotland would be like . The mods will decide what is appropriate and not you . How very fascist and SNP of you to silence opposing views to your own . We see you . No. I'm very content for you to bump yer gums. I'm just saying, do it in the correct thread. Half of those MSPs who voted for it aren't pro-indy FFS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 2 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: Err.... it is relevant to the thread title. Its because of devolution that ScotGov can introduce its own laws (whether we like them or not). Devolution is not independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 7 minutes ago, Gundermann said: True though. This perception of Scotland as tolerant and inclusive is odd. Some of us are , but there is a massive nasty under belly that Scotgov won’t address. Easier to slate folks for biological reality than 60,000 goons in a stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Just now, Gundermann said: Devolution is not independence. Thread title is "Scottish independence and devolution superthread". 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 8 minutes ago, Carter said: You're having a nightmare on this thread son. It's kind of pleasing to see the HCA wind up the usual types. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 1 minute ago, Gundermann said: No. I'm very content for you to bump yer gums. I'm just saying, do it in the correct thread. Half of those MSPs who voted for it aren't pro-indy FFS. What bit don’t you understand ? It was driven by the SNP with the greens . 2 Indy parties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Just now, frankblack said: Thread title is "Scottish independence and devolution superthread". 👍 Not HCA thread though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 4 hours ago, doctor jambo said: Thats kind of the point- if I get reported, but have not committed a crime, it still gets logged against me as a hate incident. Sorry, the police should not have the authority to decide that. i am either guilty of a crime or I’m not. guilt / innocence that is the bedrock. not “secret watch list “ as a third option . Spot on. Scotland is an incredibly tolerant country. Only big problem is Sectarianism, which I really don't think this legislation is geared towards tackling. It seems a reaction to the culture wars nonsense with the GRA and this obsession that politicians have with using Trans people as a political football - absolutely nobody gave a shit about trans folk 5-10 years ago, but now folk like Sturgeon and her corruption of the SNP have put them front and centre and now advocating for womens right to single sex spaces is some kind of ****ing hate crime. I'm a nationalist, always have been and always will be. One of my biggest sources of pride of that, was that under Salmond we got things right. I cannot say that anymore. Under Sturgeon and Humza things have went to such a ridiculous level anyone wavvering on Independence would have every right to go to the no camp because of these ****witts and their divisive nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 12 minutes ago, Gundermann said: Hardly. Mods, any chance of a tidy up here? This has nowt to do with thread title. Does though . A snap look into what Indy Scot would look like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said: The highlight I don't hate the man, I don't know him at all but I disagree with his stance on this bill, I disagree with his defence of anyone who criticises him is doing it because they're racist, I disagree with his stance on gender recognition, I disagree with his stance on Palestine and I disagree with his excuses on why his government is failing. I don't disagree with him because he is a Muslim, I don't disagree with him because of his colour, I disagree with him because I believe he is incompetent, I believe he is weak, I believe he is poor at his job and i believe he does exactly what his wife and others, such as greens, tell him to do. A spineless jellyfish of a man who has a chip on both shoulders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Just now, doctor jambo said: True though. This perception of Scotland as tolerant and inclusive is odd. Some of us are , but there is a massive nasty under belly that Scotgov won’t address. Easier to slate folks for biological reality than 60,000 goons in a stadium. Scotlands shame ignored by Holyrood and the Weegia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 1 minute ago, Gundermann said: It's kind of pleasing to see the HCA wind up the usual types. Usual types is stirring up hatred against a group. Thats a crime now 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 1 minute ago, Gundermann said: It's kind of pleasing to see the HCA wind up the usual types. Best take a break from this thread . Your digging bigger hole for yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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