Guest GhostHunter Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 You think we'll never get it? If I'm being honest ? No, I don't think the majority in Scotland will ever side with an Independent Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Because it was so high. Compare it to overall general election turnout. Compare it to similar populations in other elections. a quarter of the voters in Scotlands largest city failed to show up. That's a disgrace any way you look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 No result is a clear demand for substantial change according to Nicola Sturgeon. Eh? Whether it is or isn't, it's been promised. Now you argue who played the best poker hand considering the rout and what Westminster now has to give up to all parts of the UK And they have promised no reduction in Barnett too. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I really do like Nicola, even though she's a big lefty. Least bitter of the Yes leaders interviewed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoJack Horseman Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 If I'm being honest ? No, I don't think the majority in Scotland will ever side with an Independent Scotland. I think it will happen in my lifetime. Maybe not yours . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Picking on #ibs fans. muppets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol1874 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Look - if the independence grass roots movement wants to get any kind of traction next time it needs to sort out what it is going to do about currency, pensions, immigration etc BEFORE the vote People need to be given the opportunity to make an informed choice rather than be treated like extras from Braveheart. Agree with every word of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoJack Horseman Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 So are we now all aboard the federalism train? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I think it will happen in my lifetime. Maybe not yours . Ah, but I've sipped from the fountain of eternal youth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missed98 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Been very impressed with Jim Murphy Nicola Sturgeon and it pains me to say it but Nick Robinson as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 This is the longest run without declarations in ages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Isn't Hardeep Kohli actually English, if we're being picky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) So are we now all aboard the federalism train? I think the other parts of the UK will have to go down that road. The question there is what the structure England operates is. Edited September 19, 2014 by Geoff Kilpatrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 What is she meant to say? As it stand, 1.1m Scots want independence, and 1.3m don't. I think that shows that a large chunk of the country want change. Not enough for a majority, but enough to be heard. The question was yes/no to independence. That's what it shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) So over to the Three amigos to deliver the Vow promises . The leaders made the promises but the MPs won't deliver. At least Cameron has the answer to the West Lothian question which Labour won't like. Edited September 19, 2014 by dobmisterdobster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
systemx Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Least bitter of the Yes leaders interviewed The new leader of the SNP IMO.looked and sounded dignified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) So are we now all aboard the federalism train? I would be if such a train existed. Edited September 19, 2014 by dobmisterdobster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InNothingWeTrust Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) 84.4% turnout for Edinburgh. Heard it in the background at Ingilston on STV Edited September 19, 2014 by Doll Fin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoJack Horseman Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The question was yes/no to independence. That's what it shows. Yep, you're right, of course. There will be absolutely no in-depth analysis of the statistics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Isn't Hardeep Kohli actually English, if we're being picky. I've no standards at all. I saw the fella on BBC 2 with the sound down and presumed he was of Asian connection. Maybe if I'd turned the sound up I'd have learned differently. That notwithstanding, I just keep thinking that he reminds me of someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I want Ian Murray for First Minister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Salmond not talking until 10 am. That's too long unless composing his thoughts before resigning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) The question was yes/no to independence. That's what it shows. I'm sure you would like to think so.......some actually look more deeply than a simple majority vote. You can take it as read that some of the voters who voted No did so because of the promises made about new powers. Were those not to be delivered questions would be correctly raised about the vote. Change is coming and not just for Scotland... the impact will be felt 'nationwide'. Edited September 19, 2014 by CJGJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I want Ian Murray for First Minister. He'd rather head for PM, but that probably isn't possible now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The PM congratulates Alistair Darling on the campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Quick question - do you think that this defeat for Yes, makes Salmond's position untenable as First Minister ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Salmond not talking until 10 am. That's too long unless composing his thoughts before resigning. He'll be waiting for Cameron's speech I think and a response will be forthcoming based on that as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Let's go already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Least bitter of the Yes leaders interviewed Swinney has always been the brightest and the most sensible but a lack of charisma is his weakness. He rarely let's his guard down. Salmond and Sturgeon lose the heid far too easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Quick question - do you think that this defeat for Yes, makes Salmond's position untenable as First Minister ? I don't think it makes it untenable, though he may decide to go anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) Quick question - do you think that this defeat for Yes, makes Salmond's position untenable as First Minister ? Why ? 150,000 people and their votes were/will be the difference between a No vote and independence. Edited September 19, 2014 by CJGJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:shitwine: Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 David Cameron jumping the gun a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Quick question - do you think that this defeat for Yes, makes Salmond's position untenable as First Minister ? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William H. Bonney Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Quick question - do you think that this defeat for Yes, makes Salmond's position untenable as First Minister ? yes, no question. he will step down today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Hi-vis seems to be very fashionable in Edinburgh, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) Another doubler/trebler, whatever it was... Edited September 19, 2014 by Boof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Quick question - do you think that this defeat for Yes, makes Salmond's position untenable as First Minister ? Not untenable but he should do the decent thing and step down - let us all move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Benoit Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Quick question - do you think that this defeat for Yes, makes Salmond's position untenable as First Minister ? Personally no but I do think he'll stand down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Quick question - do you think that this defeat for Yes, makes Salmond's position untenable as First Minister ? I don't but also don't expect him to be party leader come 2016. But then my skills of political analysis are on a par with Baldrick... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Why ? For the last few years, he's geared the SNP (and Scotland) up for tonight's vote. It's always been about an independent Scotland, or, as he puts it, Team Scotland And, as if by magic, he tweets, "Well Done to Glasgow, our commonwealth city". WTF Salmond. 75% turnout and you're congratulating them ? That's more respect lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) Bit of a ******-up on the technology front, Reggie. Edited September 19, 2014 by Boof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Yep, you're right, of course. There will be absolutely no in-depth analysis of the statistics. It would have been much better to have had a devo max option on the ballet, but Cameron & Salmond were both scared. Ironically it seems we are now going to get the thing that absolutely nobody voted for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) The PM congratulates Alistair Darling on the campaign. And the (unwritten) constitution ripped up on the basis of a rogue YouGov poll. Darling, Cameron, Clegg, Milliband have played blinders With final push to rout from Gordon Brown - who probably led the vow co-ordination. Can he do anything right for someone considered Scotland's finest mind? Edited September 19, 2014 by DETTY29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Camazzola Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Whoops - multiple posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Sturgeon has conceded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Sturgeon concedes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoJack Horseman Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Quick question - do you think that this defeat for Yes, makes Salmond's position untenable as First Minister ? Not really. He campaigned with a mandate to hold a referendum, and we voted the SNP to a landslide victory. He's all about independence though, so it's probably time to step down. It would have been much better to have had a devo max option on the ballet, but Cameron & Salmond were both scared. Ironically it seems we are now going to get the thing that absolutely nobody voted for. Salmond wanted devo max from the outset, Cameron said no to devo max. I doubt anyone in Scotland will complain if that's what we end up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
systemx Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 When TF will Edinburgh declare It is now embarrassing the time Edinburgh is taking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspian Primrose Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I voted yes but fully expected this outcome. Life will go on as normal, today will be like any other for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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