rossthejambo Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 I really don't see the point of all these debates tbh, there's one every other day and I'm yet to hear any undecided voters making up their minds after watching them. The audience are getting more and more annoying with every debate as well, constant heckling and cheering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrekeo Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) Not sure which Alexander I have more contempt for Wendy. Yuck. Edited September 14, 2014 by Shrekeo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasselhoff Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Bbc bias is such a load of crap. Total deflection off the real topics that yes know they have no answers to. Classic victim mentality which blights a lot of the anti-Tory, anti-English scottish society. I've watched a tonne of footage of the referendum, mainly on bbc and the footage has been impartial. I think yes want articles from wings over Scotland to appear on bbc or something! "Where are the articles on the oil bonanza which we keep hearing about on Facebook?" BBC bias! Pathetic and just a case of them having a convenient excuse if it all goes pear shaped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Some of the audience are jakeys of the highest order, why don't they just listen and shut up. Howie again talking utter rubbish about the NHS. If he stopped lying, he would have nothing to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Bbc bias is such a load of crap. Total deflection off the real topics that yes know they have no answers to. Classic victim mentality which blights a lot of the anti-Tory, anti-English scottish society. I've watched a tonne of footage of the referendum, mainly on bbc and the footage has been impartial. I think yes want articles from wings over Scotland to appear on bbc or something! "Where are the articles on the oil bonanza which we keep hearing about on Facebook?" BBC bias! Pathetic and just a case of them having a convenient excuse if it all goes pear shaped. As a No voter, you're not going to think it was anything other than impartial though, not that I'm suggesting it's not btw, I've Not seen enough to say either way. See this chat of yes voters being anti Tory and anti English is nonsense btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Wendy. Yuck. Nearly forgot about her I meant Douglas and Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Kaiser Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 To help the undecided voters........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6vDzf-wSbk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBJambo Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Fairly convincing from Alexander and Davidson there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 I want the future children of Scotland to be like the past generations of children of Scotland......telling the Tories to go take a **** to themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tane Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 To help the undecided voters........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6vDzf-wSbk The Simpsons has been irrelevant for about 15 years tbf... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 As a No voter, you're not going to think it was anything other than impartial though, not that I'm suggesting it's not btw, I've Not seen enough to say either way. See this chat of yes voters being anti Tory and anti English is nonsense btw. To be fair, when one of the yes campaigns leading arguments is to avoid future Tory governments, it's not hard to see where he anti-Tory stuff comes from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 A romp from the Better Together side that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrekeo Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Nearly forgot about her I meant Douglas and Danny I know. She STILL haunts my dreams....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab87 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 If you base your opinion on TV debates then good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 First one I've watched and as much as I'm not clued up on politics that guy hosie should know better than to roll his eyes just cause he doesn't agree with what was said.... It was disrespectful and looked like he didn't give a toss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc-jambo Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Just got back from amazing, spontaneous rally on the Meadows (see pic below) Cooking tea and listening to the Average White Band. They inspire me cos they are a soul band from Dundee, white but never average, and when I lived in the US in the 1990s I saw them tour, wowing large, black audiences, headlining above War and the Ohio Players. They showed to me that if you have belief in yourself, if you're a Scottish band playing soul music, for example, you can do ANYTHING. Complete opposite of Better Together, in other words. Let's show the world on Thursday that we have courage, we're not scared to stand up for ourselves. Meadows today: http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/thousands-flood-capital-for-referendum-campaign-1-3541389 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 To be fair, when one of the yes campaigns leading arguments is to avoid future Tory governments, it's not hard to see where he anti-Tory stuff comes from. You say that like it is a fault. It is one of the main reasons i'm voting Yes. We consistently tell them they're not wanted in the polls and they still have power over us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 The X Factor was on ITV you think that debate had much of an Audience . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 You say that like it is a fault. It is one of the main reasons i'm voting Yes. We consistently tell them they're not wanted in the polls and they still have power over us. Same here smash the Tories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 The X Factor was on ITV you think that debate had much of an Audience . Probably as much as the meadows event and the BBC protest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 I want the future children of Scotland to be like the past generations of children of Scotland......telling the Tories to go take a **** to themselves. What about when the Tories have the best ideas and people. Thatcher was years ago, get over her and whatever problems you have with the idea of a Tory and actually listen to the debate that is going on. The idea of children blindly following their parents ideas will be a major stumbling block to the country developing. I want the future children of Scotland to be unlike past generations of children of Scotland. Think for yourselves, make your own minds up and vote for the best possible people and the best possible future, be they Labour, Tory, SNP or even Green (probably not Lib Dems). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) Just got back from amazing, spontaneous rally on the Meadows (see pic below) Cooking tea and listening to the Average White Band. They inspire me cos they are a soul band from Dundee, white but never average, and when I lived in the US in the 1990s I saw them tour, wowing large, black audiences, headlining above War and the Ohio Players. They showed to me that if you have belief in yourself, if you're a Scottish band playing soul music, for example, you can do ANYTHING. Complete opposite of Better Together, in other words. Let's show the world on Thursday that we have courage, we're not scared to stand up for ourselves. Meadows today: http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/thousands-flood-capital-for-referendum-campaign-1-3541389 I don't think something organised and widely advertised in advance can be spontaneous. Anyhow, what % of true undecided voters do we think are left? Must be less than 10 surely. Edited September 14, 2014 by jambo1185 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_vlad Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 http://www.thedrum.com/news/2014/09/12/balance-failure-bbc-scottish-independence-referendum-coverage-wrong-and-not aye, there is no bias tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Lyon Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Wow the AWB influencing the debate for YES. Well I never. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Just got back from amazing, spontaneous rally on the Meadows (see pic below) Cooking tea and listening to the Average White Band. They inspire me cos they are a soul band from Dundee, white but never average, and when I lived in the US in the 1990s I saw them tour, wowing large, black audiences, headlining above War and the Ohio Players. They showed to me that if you have belief in yourself, if you're a Scottish band playing soul music, for example, you can do ANYTHING. Complete opposite of Better Together, in other words. Let's show the world on Thursday that we have courage, we're not scared to stand up for ourselves. Meadows today: http://www.edinburgh...paign-1-3541389 Adam Smith, David Hume, Robert Burns, Walter Scott, James Watt, Alexander Graham Bell, Alexander Fleming, etc., etc., were all prevented from achieving anything because of the Union. It didn't believe in them and they didn't believe in themselves, with inevitable consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Lyon Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Super vlad - no bias at all they reported the fact that AS didn't answer the question and that he had a go at the reporter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Same here smash the Tories Yeh, let's destroy a country that has been successful for hundreds of years, been respected throughout the world, has a seat on Security council of UN and is a major player in the world, to simply, in your words, smash the Tories. Let's destroy the armed forces that have fought and died together for centuries to simply, in your words, smash the Tories. Let's put thousands of jobs at risk, let's risk thousands of children's futures to simply, in your words, smash the Tories. If that is your sole consideration, then I really despair for Scotland's future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 What about when the Tories have the best ideas and people. Thatcher was years ago, get over her and whatever problems you have with the idea of a Tory and actually listen to the debate that is going on. The idea of children blindly following their parents ideas will be a major stumbling block to the country developing. I want the future children of Scotland to be unlike past generations of children of Scotland. Think for yourselves, make your own minds up and vote for the best possible people and the best possible future, be they Labour, Tory, SNP or even Green (probably not Lib Dems). Wow.....what a load of shite! If they had the best ideas and people they would have more than one.....yes,that's ONE.....MP in Scotland. Or is the whole nation deluded? They will never get in power in Scotland because of the devastating effect they had and i'll not let them forget it. Yes or No on Thursday...they will be caned....again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Lyon Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Gorgie wave prove those you mentioned were denied achieving anything by the Union! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Gorgie wave prove those you mentioned were denied achieving anything by the Union! Erm, he's being sarcastic in response to he post he was quoting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Gorgie wave prove those you mentioned were denied achieving anything by the Union! They weren't. I was trying to point out how...misguided...dc-jambo was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Lyon Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Jambo1185 It was lost on me - thanks for putting me right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Lyon Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Gorgie wave sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Just got back from amazing, spontaneous rally on the Meadows (see pic below) Cooking tea and listening to the Average White Band. They inspire me cos they are a soul band from Dundee, white but never average, and when I lived in the US in the 1990s I saw them tour, wowing large, black audiences, headlining above War and the Ohio Players. They showed to me that if you have belief in yourself, if you're a Scottish band playing soul music, for example, you can do ANYTHING. Complete opposite of Better Together, in other words. Let's show the world on Thursday that we have courage, we're not scared to stand up for ourselves. Meadows today: http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/thousands-flood-capital-for-referendum-campaign-1-3541389 Please don't vote Yes just because the Average White Band are from Dundee and play soul music. Please base your decision on the future, on finance, on education, on health, on anything bar a band. What about the Scottish rugby legend, David Sole, Gavin Hastings, Ivan Tukalo and others, they played for Scotland, represented us on the world stage, inspired others, yet want us to vote No. Are they less Sottish than the AWB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) Wow.....what a load of shite! If they had the best ideas and people they would have more than one.....yes,that's ONE.....MP in Scotland. Or is the whole nation deluded? They will never get in power in Scotland because of the devastating effect they had and i'll not let them forget it. Yes or No on Thursday...they will be caned....again! Scotland will be governed by a cente-right government within 3 parliaments I am sure. Probably under a rebranding (I agree e Tory brand is too toxic up here to break out their core vote) with a number of current SNP politicians on board (the similarity in policy areas is the only reason the minority SNP government survived). It's widely recognised that independence will give the centre-right the ability to re-build up here. I presume you are socialist? If so, how do you feel about leaving your fellows in England to the near certainty of Tory governments, or do you not care? Edited September 14, 2014 by jambo1185 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaka Demus & pliers Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 There surely can't be many truly undecided voters left. There will be those who are 90% sure they're voting Yes, or 75% sure of No for example but we've heard all the arguments now so there can't be many truly 50/50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Gorgie wave sorry No bother, I'm with you (so I infer from your posts). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Please don't vote Yes just because the Average White Band are from Dundee and play soul music. Please base your decision on the future, on finance, on education, on health, on anything bar a band. What about the Scottish rugby legend, David Sole, Gavin Hastings, Ivan Tukalo and others, they played for Scotland, represented us on the world stage, inspired others, yet want us to vote No. Are they less Sottish than the AWB? No just Tories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Scotland will be governed by a cente-right government within 3 parliaments I am sure. Probably under a rebranding (I agree e Tory brand is too toxic up here to break out their core vote) with a number of current SNP politicians on board (the similarity in policy areas is the only reason the minority SNP government survived). It's widely recognised that independence will give the centre-right the ability to re-build up here. I presume you are socialist? If so, how do you feel about leaving your fellows in England to the near certainty of Tory governments, or do you not care? So that will be a Yes then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 EIEIO: if a Tory government were elected to the Parliament of an independent Scotland, what would you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Wow.....what a load of shite! If they had the best ideas and people they would have more than one.....yes,that's ONE.....MP in Scotland. Or is the whole nation deluded? They will never get in power in Scotland because of the devastating effect they had and i'll not let them forget it. Yes or No on Thursday...they will be caned....again! rest, blame everything on the Tories. We have had Blair and Brown since then, who led the country down the pan and destroyed the country. We have had devolution for 17 years, ample time to try and rebuild, but no, it's still Maggies fault, no-one else to blame. Politicians like Alexander are completely different from Thatcher and parties no longer resemble their 20th century images, yet their exists a blind spot that in Scotland equates to Tory = Thatcher = bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) So that will be a Yes then? A yes to what? The referendum question? No mate, I'm British. And the arguments put forward have done nothing to convince to turn my back on that part of my identity. I understand many others don't feel that way. Each to their own. As long as people exercise their vote having given consideration to all the arguments, then whatever way they choose, I will have no complaints. Be great to see a huge turnout on Thursday. If be interested to hear your thoughts on my question about turning your back on the rest of the UK to leave them victim to the terrible Tories. Particularly given the Westminster polls point to a Labour win with a strong Scottish backing (assuming their vote holds up of course, strange to think that the Tories will benefit from swings to the SNP). Edited September 14, 2014 by jambo1185 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 'Smash the Tories' Anyone who thinks anything other than the Tories getting more popular up here in the event of a Yes is IMO very misguided. Glad to hear BT romped the debate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Scotland will be governed by a cente-right government within 3 parliaments I am sure. Probably under a rebranding (I agree e Tory brand is too toxic up here to break out their core vote) with a number of current SNP politicians on board (the similarity in policy areas is the only reason the minority SNP government survived). It's widely recognised that independence will give the centre-right the ability to re-build up here. I presume you are socialist? If so, how do you feel about leaving your fellows in England to the near certainty of Tory governments, or do you not care? If an independent Scotland is to return a centre right government within 3 terms I have doubts under a proportional voting system unless a realigned Scots labour stays more to the right of centre . I agree that their would be a resurgent centre Right as party's reshape to the new parliament , they would grow to a level . As the socialist leaving the English to forever Tory Rule . I don't believe that . What ever the outcome the English will be discussing their future also doesn't mean a permanent lurch to the right . Billy Bragg talks about this and why as a committed English socialist he backs a yes vote . Socialists should always support the right to self determination . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Lyon Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Gorgiewave Yes I'm a NO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 rest, blame everything on the Tories. We have had Blair and Brown since then, who led the country down the pan and destroyed the country. We have had devolution for 17 years, ample time to try and rebuild, but no, it's still Maggies fault, no-one else to blame. Politicians like Alexander are completely different from Thatcher and parties no longer resemble their 20th century images, yet their exists a blind spot that in Scotland equates to Tory = Thatcher = bad. Blair was a Tory and also,imo,a psychopath in the true definition of the word.That arsehole should be in a cell.He was only continuing what the previous governments were doing. There is no Labour Party. On the point of Thatcher....to suggest that the impact of her policies is still not apparent in today's society is way off the mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 If an independent Scotland is to return a centre right government within 3 terms I have doubts under a proportional voting system unless a realigned Scots labour stays more to the right of centre . I agree that their would be a resurgent centre Right as party's reshape to the new parliament , they would grow to a level . As the socialist leaving the English to forever Tory Rule . I don't believe that . What ever the outcome the English will be discussing their future also doesn't mean a permanent lurch to the right . Billy Bragg talks about this and why as a committed English socialist he backs a yes vote . Socialists should always support the right to self determination . Thanks for responding TD. All interesting and valid points. I still question the appetite for change in England, but I hope it follows. For me, a federalised UK would be my ideal I think. Separately, an interesting piece in the Herald, Yes not thrilled with today's protest apparently http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/comment/columnists/inside-track-movement-politics-cause-campaigns-to-wobble.24652724 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Gorgiewave Yes I'm a NO! Vote early and vote often! I'll be following from afar but right behind the No side. I hope Scotland doesn't become rancorous for long after Thursday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBJambo Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 I hear all police leave is cancelled on Thursday and Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Bring back 70s style class war! Mind you, the "war" wouldn't last long. The rich would have pissed off southbound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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