Optimus Prime Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11094592/Concern-as-child-aged-three-registered-to-vote-in-referendum.html Children as young as 3 registered to vote in the referendum. Joy "raising concerns about the integrity of the election process in the Scottish referendum." Interesting, an excuse for BT to call a bum deal if the vote doesn't go their way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 "raising concerns about the integrity of the election process in the Scottish referendum." Interesting, an excuse for BT to call a bum deal if the vote doesn't go their way. That was always a given. This will not happen....one way or tuther. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 "raising concerns about the integrity of the election process in the Scottish referendum." Interesting, an excuse for BT to call a bum deal if the vote doesn't go their way. It does sound like a bum deal though - regardless of which way the vote goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Do you think saying they are undecided is a nice way of telling you to piss off? Surely saying you are undecided is exactly the sort of people Yes campaigners would want to speak to!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Surely saying you are undecided is exactly the sort of people Yes campaigners would want to speak to!? Depends if the person wishes to engage in conversation or not. You say much more with body language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 With all due respect - I really wish Salmond would stop with this whole "Team Scotland" shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billco98 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) There have been many accusations flying around implying that the Yes Campaign is scaremongering and lying about the swingeing cuts to our block grant as a consequence of probable cuts in NHS spending in England. Check out Questions to the Prime Minister - Wednesday 10 September 2014 at 17.45 minutes into the following link - where a Sheffield Labour MP is raising the matter of 22-24% cut in NHS budgets between now and 2018 which have been intimated to a health practice in his constituency by NHS England. http://www.parliamen...september-2014/ Everything in the NHS in England is 'hunky dory' according to Murphy, Lamont, Darling and Co. What a bunch of desperate deceivers. Edited September 14, 2014 by billco98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 "raising concerns about the integrity of the election process in the Scottish referendum." Interesting, an excuse for BT to call a bum deal if the vote doesn't go their way. It's a better excuse that some that yes would come out with. Everyone should be interested in ensuring the vote is reliable. Hopefully these are just a few isolated errors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Ian Murray just on BBC News with his No Badge on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 There have been many accusations flying around implying that the Yes Campaign is scaremongering and lying about the swingeing cuts to our block grant as a consequence of probable cuts in NHS spending in England. Check out Questions to the Prime Minister - Wednesday 10 September 2014 at 17.45 minutes into the following link - where a Sheffield Labour MP is raising the matter of 22-24% cut in NHS budgets between now and 2018 which have been intimated to a health practice in his constituency by NHS England. http://www.parliamen...september-2014/ Everything in the NHS in England is 'hunky dory' according to Murphy, Lamont, Darling and Co. What a bunch of desperate deceivers. I haven't heard anybody from Better Together say thr NHS in England is fine. That's a total fabrication. The argument is that the nhs is sufficiently protected from privatisation under the current set up and that it would not be better served under independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 With all due respect - I really wish Salmond would stop with this whole "Team Scotland" shite. Same. File it under "Sco-lympians" as cringeworthy nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Whatever way this will go it's going to leave a divided scotland. Ain't that the truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Ian Murray just on BBC News with his No Badge on. Top bloke and talked a lot of sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Ain't that the truth If it's a yes vote im painting the kerb stones outside my house red white and blue. Not really, but I can envisage stuff like that happening in certain places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoJack Horseman Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11094592/Concern-as-child-aged-three-registered-to-vote-in-referendum.html Children as young as 3 registered to vote in the referendum. Joy Why is it assumed that these 3 year olds would vote for independence? Maybe they are pro union. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Why is it assumed that these 3 year olds would vote for independence? Maybe they are pro union. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 There have been many accusations flying around implying that the Yes Campaign is scaremongering and lying about the swingeing cuts to our block grant as a consequence of probable cuts in NHS spending in England. Check out Questions to the Prime Minister - Wednesday 10 September 2014 at 17.45 minutes into the following link - where a Sheffield Labour MP is raising the matter of 22-24% cut in NHS budgets between now and 2018 which have been intimated to a health practice in his constituency by NHS England. http://www.parliamen...september-2014/ Everything in the NHS in England is 'hunky dory' according to Murphy, Lamont, Darling and Co. What a bunch of desperate deceivers. This isn't a go at you but it's stuff like this that means I can't wit til it's all over. The debate has descended into good old fashioned party politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 I haven't heard anybody from Better Together say thr NHS in England is fine. That's a total fabrication. The argument is that the nhs is sufficiently protected from privatisation under the current set up and that it would not be better served under independence. We all know that the NHS is under incredible pressure everywhere. The question we should all be asking is can we afford NOT to change the way the NHS is financed and operated. Pro-rata, Scotland is going to have to put more into caring for a ageing and less healthy population than the UK as a whole (hence the "Barnett Consequentials") and how do we do that? By diverting more resources or by changing the way it is provided is how. There is no huge pot of extra money for an independent Scotland and, in fact, the total budget "on which we will be able to make our own decisions" will be smaller than at present; the myth of extra oil and renewables revenue is a myth as misleading the myth that Barnett returns less than we input. I will guarantee that, within 5 years, an independent Scotland will have "a multi-layered approach to provision that is a mix of the best that the state institutions and private healthcare can provide." That is nothing other than the "privatisation" that Sturgeon has been (hypocritically) ranting about these past few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 English paper down here practically saying dangle carrot to uglies to join English leagues and secure 100k of votes for No campaign thus settling it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RosscoC Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Ian Murray just on BBC News with his No Badge on. At least he's worked which twitter account is his own and which is FOH when campaigning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 We all know that the NHS is under incredible pressure everywhere. The question we should all be asking is can we afford NOT to change the way the NHS is financed and operated. Pro-rata, Scotland is going to have to put more into caring for a ageing and less healthy population than the UK as a whole (hence the "Barnett Consequentials") and how do we do that? By diverting more resources or by changing the way it is provided is how. There is no huge pot of extra money for an independent Scotland and, in fact, the total budget "on which we will be able to make our own decisions" will be smaller than at present; the myth of extra oil and renewables revenue is a myth as misleading the myth that Barnett returns less than we input. I will guarantee that, within 5 years, an independent Scotland will have "a multi-layered approach to provision that is a mix of the best that the state institutions and private healthcare can provide." That is nothing other than the "privatisation" that Sturgeon has been (hypocritically) ranting about these past few weeks. The SNP have in government already used private providers to help provide health care, social care and other aspects of the public health sector. Majority of Scots gps are private and paid by the NHS for their NHS patients. Dentists too. Opticians as well. Its already multilayered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 English paper down here practically saying dangle carrot to uglies to join English leagues and secure 100k of votes for No campaign thus settling it Actually, it would be probably easier to get shot of them with a Yes vote as there would be no threat to the SFA and a Scottish international team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Actually, it would be probably easier to get shot of them with a Yes vote as there would be no threat to the SFA and a Scottish international team. Sunday Express! They then say a Yes vote will effectively end any chance they have of playing in England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) Why is it assumed that these 3 year olds would vote for independence? Maybe they are pro union. It was no voters who raised it after their children received polling cards. So it seems to be an issue across the board. Dundee seems to be an exceptional case though. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be looked into. The last thing any of us need is for there to be issues about the result. Ultimately this is fraud. Edited September 14, 2014 by jambo1185 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 It was no voters who raised it after their children received polling cards. So it seems to be an issue across the board. Dundee seems to be an exceptional case though. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be looked into. The last thing any of us need is for there to be issues about the result. If it's 3 year olds in Dundee their parents won't be old enough to vote either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) Jeezo. Galloway sounds almost reasonable on Sunday Politics. Has he taken some sedatives? Im unsettled by how much I am agreeing with him Edited September 14, 2014 by jambo1185 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 If RBS and Standard Life relocate I will personally be delighted. The next time RBS stuff up the rest of the UK can pay to bail them out. The only dealings I've had with Standard Life was when they sold me an endowment policy which has produced a massive shortfall so they can GTF as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Any implications for Berwick Rangers if it is a yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 English paper down here practically saying dangle carrot to uglies to join English leagues and secure 100k of votes for No campaign thus settling it That has been doing the rounds for some weeks. I referred a Celtic supporting Yes voter to the quote at the time. I think it originated in the a Parish of Govan but there is some logic to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) Ian Murray just on BBC News with his No Badge on. Was it live? Just bumped into him 45 mins ago in Morningside. Shook him by the hand for his sterling efforts in the saving of our club Edited September 14, 2014 by Brandt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Was it live? Just bumped into him 45 mins ago in Morningside. It was when I posted I think - he was with some BBC News woman who's presenting overlooking Princes St Gardens, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 It was when I posted I think - he was with some BBC News woman who's presenting overlooking Princes St Gardens, Must have been. Was walking towards that way with his wee no sticker on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 English paper down here practically saying dangle carrot to uglies to join English leagues and secure 100k of votes for No campaign thus settling it The sad thing is it probably would sway the votes of a decent number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) The sad thing is it probably would sway the votes of a decent number. No doubt about it. There's irony in staying in the union but feckin off from the Scottish league! Edit: I should say hypocrisy! Edited September 14, 2014 by Rudolf's Mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) A wee question to ask folk. In the street you live in and the surrounding streets / area. What would be the majority in yes/no posters in the windows of other residents? Ive taken fair bit of the Morningside area in and i'd say 10/4 in favour of yes, posters. Lots of folk with yes stickers/badges compared to very little no stickers/badges. Edited September 14, 2014 by Brandt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Anyone thinking of voting yes should be watching tommy Sheridan the now on bbc 1.... Enough to make you vote no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) A wee question to ask folk. In the street you live in and the surrounding streets. What would be the majority in yes/no posters in the windows of other residents? Ive taken fair bit of the Morningside area in and i'd say 10/4 in favour of yes, posters. Priestfield. No No posters or stickers No Yes posters or stickers Much twitching of curtains though. Edited September 14, 2014 by DETTY29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWinningSmith Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 A wee question to ask folk. In the street you live in and the surrounding streets. What would be the majority in yes/no posters in the windows of other residents? Ive taken fair bit of the Morningside area in and i'd say 10/4 in favour of yes, posters. West Pilton there is a number of Yes stickers in windows. I can't say I've seen any No stickers in my travels yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Anyone thinking of voting yes should be watching tommy Sheridan the now on bbc 1.... Enough to make you vote no Galloway was really good. Unusually reasonable and talking openly about politics in Scotland. Clearly retains a lot of interest in the Holyrood and wider Scottish debate. Sheridan was showing signs of being unhinged at times. His brand of, what is borderline, Trotskyism is never going to win votes. He's an electoral deadweight. More know that the SSP is still on the go than him and his Solidarity party which is a one man vehicle for him. Totally discredited himself when he lead the SSP and helped destroy them between 2003 and 2007. Which was a shame because they made decent gains on policies. If we get a Yes win it will be a very interesting 2016 election. I can see the Galloways, Sheridans, Foxes and their like fighting hard for seats against Greens and SNP list seats up and down the country. Labour v the SNP would be most interesting. No doubt Salmond, Sturgeon and Swinney would find an opposition of Brown, Alexander, Murphy etc a tougher fight to beat than Lamont and Gray. Just still not so sure it is wise to go for independence especially under the model proposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasselhoff Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Anyone thinking of voting yes should be watching tommy Sheridan the now on bbc 1.... Enough to make you vote no Yep just saw it, Galloway even came across as highly respectable in comparison and that is saying something. Sheridan was embarrassing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Haven't regretted it for the last 40 odd years, so I think I'll be fine under the union. What if England drags us out of the EU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 What if England drags us out of the EU? "England" ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Actually, it would be probably easier to get shot of them with a Yes vote as there would be no threat to the SFA and a Scottish international team. We had Cameron on Monday telling us that if we go Independent, then we will no longer have a say as a permanent of the UN Security Council. And yesterday, David Davies, ex football commentator and FA, that we may longer be allowed to be a permenent member of the FIFA council that sets the offside laws, thus giving the rest of the world veto over the UK nations. We'll need a strong and loud voice from Jim Boyce to keep any changes fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 What if England drags us out of the EU? What if England leaves the EU but an independent Scotland was in it? Would you like 70% of your exports to have tariffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 "England" ?? English votes - there are 10 times as many and they seem to be keener to leave than the scots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 What if England leaves the EU but an independent Scotland was in it? Would you like 70% of your exports to have tariffs? Would they have tariffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Would they have tariffs? That would depend on whether the UK was outside of both the EU and EFTA. If it was, then it would be outside of the EU customs union and therefore all EU trade would be subject to tariffs. The point is that what the UK does in relation to Europe will have an impact on Scotland, irrespective of whether it is in the EU or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) If a yes campaigner came round my house i would be in two minds: Either 1. Point out the flaws in their arguments therefore declaring myself as a no voter Or 2. Just agree with them and tell them I'm voting yes/undecided to avoid my house/car being vandalised after Friday As much as I would love to do the first, I'll opt with the second option as I know yes voters will never change their mind due to simple things like reality so there is no point trying 4. Say you're thinking of voting Yes but you're not sure. Could they explain, perhaps for several hours, why you should vote Yes? You will waste their time and might prevent somebody getting sucked in. Edited September 14, 2014 by Gorgiewave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 I am ! Not if we can get JKB hacked and brought down from 7am on Thursday morning. Can you still do a postal vote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 If the poll was based on stickers or posters in this neighbourhood, it would be cancelled thanks to apathy. The polling clerks would die of boredom long before tea-time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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