The Mighty Thor Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I hear all police leave is cancelled on Thursday and Friday. You hear incorrectly. My other half and me are off on Thursday night to Munich to Oktoberfest. (to enjoy spending time with our European brethren before Cameron takes us out of Europe in 2016) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I haven't heard how the result will be announced. Will it be a running total as counts come in from Westminster/Holyrood constituencies, or will it be by local council areas or just one big result at the end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 ....I can't think of anything else that would garner such widespread coverage for such a wee country. Britain isn't that small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHO Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I was wondering what happens to this thread after Thursday? Does it go in the classics section or does it just get consigned to the depths of JKB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 (edited) slightly off topic, but Abbot is trying to go to war to cover the coming economic storm Geoff? I heard from a supplier in Oz that they're getting nervous of the state of the dollar post the last mining reports? It's certainly making the news in Europe as our suppliers in Germany and Holland have been talking about it for weeks. Dollar at its lowest level in more than 6 months. http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/floodgates-tested-as-global-factors-push-australian-dollar-below-us90c-20140915-10gzq2.html Tony Abbott is playing political smoke and mirrors with international affairs. The sooner we have a real prime minister the better. Unfortunately we have no viable candidates from Labor. Edited September 15, 2014 by Sydney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I haven't heard how the result will be announced. Will it be a running total as counts come in from Westminster/Holyrood constituencies, or will it be by local council areas or just one big result at the end? Returning Officers are per local authority, so probably get the results by local authority - all 32 of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I was wondering what happens to this thread after Thursday? Does it go in the classics section or does it just get consigned to the depths of JKB? It'll be used to gauge seethe and organise square go's between those who feel most aggrieved. Battle gear should consist of kilt, claymore & tunnocks tea cakes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Dollar at its lowest level in more than 6 months. http://www.smh.com.a...915-10gzq2.html Tony Abbott is playing political smoke and mirrors with international affairs. The sooner we have a real prime minister the better. Unfortunately we have no viable candidates from Labor. Sounds a bit like Westminster mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Pretty mad likes. Almost game on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djf Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 You hear incorrectly. My other half and me are off on Thursday night to Munich to Oktoberfest. (to enjoy spending time with our European brethren before Cameron takes us out of Europe in 2016) Always wondered about this. Seems whenever a big event on the papers scream 'ALL POLICE LEAVE CANCELLED'. I assume they aren't telling people they'll have to pull out of their two weeks in the Maldives. Does it actually mean no further holidays will be granted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 "Hesitant voters in Scotland only need to look to Australia to witness how at ease with itself a country becomes when it takes control of its own affairs. We don't need to swallow the lie any longer that we are a poor country. And we don't need an out of touch elite in London deciding how much of our own money we should have to spend. We just need a bit of Australian confidence." Read more: http://www.canberrat...l#ixzz3DKl8bvdo Had this Aussie chat a lot, mainly from ex-pats living in Australia who are all behind YES. There is a HUGE difference between the relationship between Oz and the UK and between Scotland and the rest of the UK. Even on simple geographic terms the idea that the UK had any kind of control over Oz was laughable. But, then again, maybe we can treat our indiginous people withthe same respect that Aussies dish out to theirs...I might yet change to YES ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Dollar at its lowest level in more than 6 months. http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/floodgates-tested-as-global-factors-push-australian-dollar-below-us90c-20140915-10gzq2.html Tony Abbott is playing political smoke and mirrors with international affairs. The sooner we have a real prime minister the better. Unfortunately we have no viable candidates from Labor. Both parties and the Greens are awful. Unfortunately, the shitty AV system means they win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 It'll be used to gauge seethe and organise square go's between those who feel most aggrieved. Battle gear should consist of kilt, claymore & tunnocks tea cakes! I think credit should go to the Mods for keeping this thread civil and dealing with out-of-order folks, like myself. I think this thread should stay that way post Thusday, but a seperate GIRFUY thread can be opened for the blood-letting, regardless who wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 [deleted] [modedit] See by next Monday, folk will be back in the routine of having to get their kids to school, slog through a Monday morning at work, go to tesco at night and then fire through a pile or ironing before bed. There'll be a few losers who carry on like dicks after the vote but most people will go back to their lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I think credit should go to the Mods for keeping this thread civil and dealing with out-of-order folks, like myself. I think this thread should stay that way post Thusday, but a seperate GIRFUY thread can be opened for the blood-letting, regardless who wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 EIEIO: if a Tory government were elected to the Parliament of an independent Scotland, what would you do? Be surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I'm sure future social historians will be fascinated to use polls and threads such these as a resource to analyse how opinions shifted/hardened and how arguments were formulated during the debate. [modedit] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 [deleted] IN the event there will be no pagger. Especially as the "No" voters are mainly pensioners or middle class softies like myself. By wine-o'clock it'll be monster munch and The Real Housewives of MIami regardless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 There will be no problem from the no side if they lose as they'll all be lying about having voted yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Always wondered about this. Seems whenever a big event on the papers scream 'ALL POLICE LEAVE CANCELLED'. I assume they aren't telling people they'll have to pull out of their two weeks in the Maldives. Does it actually mean no further holidays will be granted? Days off are 'restricted' which means people have to take a block of days off rather than a single day. To be fair the new force is stretched so thin that every weekend is effectively restricted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigCGilmour Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Just saw this tweet... Starting to get serious eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 IN the event there will be no pagger. Especially as the "No" voters are mainly pensioners or middle class softies like myself. By wine-o'clock it'll be monster munch and The Real Housewives of MIami regardless There may be no paggers, but there remains a very divided country. Then two years of negotiating the terms of Independence and the EU/Currency negotiations are going to strain the relationships and friendships even further. I understand those who see this as an "opportunity", but others, like myself, see it as a sad time for Scotland and Britain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Just saw this tweet... https://twitter.com/...261573042954240 Starting to get serious eh? lol Jim Sillars - Nationoalise BPs oil resources in event of Independence? What a complete and utter load of nonsense. That would destroy the whole Oil Industry overnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoJack Horseman Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I'm still trying to get my head around this EU debacle. Am I right in saying that Cameron has pledged to remove the UK from the EU if he gets another term? Something that Scotland would essentially have no say in as part of the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I'm still trying to get my head around this EU debacle. Am I right in saying that Cameron has pledged to remove the UK from the EU if he gets another term? Something that Scotland would essentially have no say in as part of the UK. No, he has pledged a referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoJack Horseman Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 No, he has pledged a referendum. Of which our votes would have little to no influence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Just saw this tweet... https://twitter.com/...261573042954240 Starting to get serious eh? 1974 aye ? Ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I'm still trying to get my head around this EU debacle. Am I right in saying that Cameron has pledged to remove the UK from the EU if he gets another term? Something that Scotland would essentially have no say in as part of the UK. [modedit] He has said there will be a referendum. And good on him for giving us one. Salmond won't. What is the stat? Nobody below the age of 53 has ever been given a say on our EU membership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Of which our votes would have little to no influence? YOur vote would carry the same weight as a billionaire financier, or a homeless street drunk. Welcome to democracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 No, he has pledged a referendum. Not being a pedant, but I think you'll find he has been rather cute and is pledging to hold a referendum if the Conservative Party forms a majority government. He probably knows that this may in itself be difficult and, thus, gives himself some wriggle room. To the best of my knowledge, and surprise, nobody has yet pressed him on whether he would make it a condition of forming a coalition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Not being a pedant, but I think you'll find he has been rather cute and is pledging to hold a referendum if the Conservative Party forms a majority government. He probably knows that this may in itself be difficult and, thus, gives himself some wriggle room. To the best of my knowledge, and surprise, nobody has yet pressed him on whether he would make it a condition of forming a coalition. It's not even that concrete. He's promising a referendum on the EU - if the EU doesn't agree to some reforms. There will never be an EU referendum under Cameron. The Tories will bin him first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 What is the stat? Nobody below the age of 53 has ever been given a say on our EU membership. Similarly no one under the age of 325 has been given a say on Scottish independence. Well at least until Thursday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 It's not even that concrete. He's promising a referendum on the EU - if the EU doesn't agree to some reforms. There will never be an EU referendum under Cameron. The Tories will bin him first. Quite probably. A double condition won't cut it. The result of the Clacton by-election- there's no knife-edge there- will certainly heap pressure on him to clarify their position prior to May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Similarly no one under the age of 325 has been given a say on Scottish independence. Well at least until Thursday. True enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 lol Jim Sillars - Nationoalise BPs oil resources in event of Independence? What a complete and utter load of nonsense. That would destroy the whole Oil Industry overnight. Where does the poster say this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Similarly no one under the age of 325 has been given a say on Scottish independence. Well at least until Thursday. Was there not one in 1979? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Was there not one in 1979? No it was about devolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 (edited) Was there not one in 1979? Not on independence. A majority voted for devolution in 1979, but it was not deemed sufficient because of a threshold on voting numbers put in by Westminster. The threshold required that 40% of the registered electorate had to vote yes. In the event, the vote was 52% - 48% in favour of Yes, but the total of Yes votes only amounted to 33% of the electorate. Edited September 15, 2014 by Footballfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Was there not one in 1979? Devolution, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Where does the poster say this? Its not on the poster - he said it last week at a rally or some other event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Of which our votes would have little to no influence? Your vote would have the same weight as anyone else in the UK. Aside from that, if Scotland did leave the UK and the UK subsequently left the EU, Scotland would still be significantly impacted by that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Not on independence. A majority voted for devolution in 1979, but it was not deemed sufficient because of a threshold on voting numbers put in by English Tories. Wrong. The threshold was added by Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Your vote would have the same weight as anyone else in the UK. Aside from that, if Scotland did leave the UK and the UK subsequently left the EU, Scotland would still be significantly impacted by that. More so or less so than rUK were that to happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Rory Bremner voting No? I didn't even know he lived here. Is he a Jambo then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 More so or less so than rUK were that to happen? Again, as I mentioned above, it depends on whether the UK maintained a free trade agreement with the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 (edited) Wrong. The threshold was added by Labour. You sure it wasn't just Tories dressed up as Labour politicians? They are a super devious bunch you know. Edited September 15, 2014 by jambo1185 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoJack Horseman Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Your vote would have the same weight as anyone else in the UK. Aside from that, if Scotland did leave the UK and the UK subsequently left the EU, Scotland would still be significantly impacted by that. You know what I'm saying. Yes, we'd have a say as part of the UK, but we wouldn't have a say as a country. Votes from London alone would cancel out any Scottish votes. Working on the assumption that the Scottish people would want to stick with the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 You sure it wasn't just Tories dressed up as Labour? Must have been. The SNP voted against those red Tories to bring down the Callaghan government, after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Its not on the poster - he said it last week at a rally or some other event. Preposterous idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Wrong. The threshold was added by Labour. And for good reason. To have a major constitutional issue, that impacts on the heritage of millions of people decided by a simple majority of voters is, in my view, a low hurdle to meet. Cameron may have thought it was in the bag when he agreed it, but now he sees otherwise. Either way, on Thursday, Yes or No, he should resign. He is either the p.m. that allowed the UK to split (so resign), or the p.m. who caused massive hurt and divisiveness in Scotland (so resign). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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