Jamboross Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Anyone know whats happening in edinburgh? My dad just seen about a dozen police transits with lights flashing driving towards princes st A guy I'm friends with on Facebook posted about an hour ago about a gathering of 'young teams' near Princes Street but that they were mainly just bumming about as there's a decent police presence already with it being the festival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Whittaker's Tache Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 It's all kicking off in Manchester again... http://youtu.be/0cbVW_QS2eE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Benoit Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 It's all kicking off in Manchester again... http://youtu.be/0cbVW_QS2eE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 how much of a donkey's arse is boris johnson? he should never be let loose to go walkabout and talk to groups of people. every time you see him being confronted by an animated person, he just stands there open mouthed, bumbling around and failing to transfer any words between his brain and mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Found some more info, this time on the investigation into the killing of Mark Duggan by the Independent Police Complaints Commission,(IPCC), a police firearms officer APPARENTLY FIRED FIRST;These investigation's are continuing into December this year but what has so far been made available is in its self revealing;ML; QUOTE;'The probe was launched into the death of Mark Duggan, 26, who sustained injuries in a shooting spree by armed officers in Ferry Lane in Tottenham last Thursday, after police stopped the minicab he was in to carry out an arrest as part of a pre-planned operation. Ballistic tests indicated that Duggan did not fire at officers before he was killed. There is "no evidence" that a handgun found at the scene where Mark Duggan was killed by armed officers was used, the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) stated.??????? Investigations confirmed that Duggan's death came after two shots were fired by a Scotland Yard CO19 firearms officer.' LINK; http://www.presstv.ir/detail/193178.html Pretty shocking isn't it ML, police shot a known gangster in possession of a loaded weapon. I'm guessing your train of thought is that they should have waited until he pulled the trigger before retaliating. My thought, it is a crime to carry a loaded weapon on the streets of the UK, and if anyone is caught with such a weapon the police have every right to shoot such persons, that is what we employ them to do, to maintain law and order. He wasn't carrying a loaded gun because he was thirsty or because he had BO, he was carrying it for a reason, he won't do it again which means other people are now safer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 It's all kicking off in Manchester again... http://youtu.be/0cbVW_QS2eE Most likely just an arm spasm or something. No proof from that video that he meant it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Fredrickson Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 It's all kicking off in Manchester again... http://youtu.be/0cbVW_QS2eE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Wiseau Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 This is the kind of polemic pish that I have been arguing against all fecking week: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/jennifer-lipman/just-give-me-a-reason-to-_b_921963.html Comparisons with Kristallnacht, accusing anyone of saying that it is important to try and understand the causes of this in order that we can prevent it reoccurring as showing that their "sympathies lie with the rioters". What a lot of utter shite. Still waiting on one single person outside of the looters themselves claiming it was "OK" as Lipman suggests is happening on a widespread level. Embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Brody Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Are you for real? i thought the guy showed a great deal of dignity and called for calm! There is no way in the world i would have being that calm if my son had just died for feck all! I meant the other guys that started chanting. The father did extremely well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_vlad Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Guy on C4 was 100% spot on! Children trying to raise children! What chance does society have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Guy on C4 was 100% spot on! Children trying to raise children! What chance does society have he stole that line from jeremy kyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.J Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 This is the kind of polemic pish that I have been arguing against all fecking week: http://www.huffingto...-_b_921963.html Comparisons with Kristallnacht, accusing anyone of saying that it is important to try and understand the causes of this in order that we can prevent it reoccurring as showing that their "sympathies lie with the rioters". What a lot of utter shite. Still waiting on one single person outside of the looters themselves claiming it was "OK" as Lipman suggests is happening on a widespread level. Embarrassing. It's not so much polemic as offensive shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 he stole that line from jeremy kyle. It was my mate that said it on Jeremy Kyle and the audience loved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Harris Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 This is the kind of polemic pish that I have been arguing against all fecking week: http://www.huffingto...-_b_921963.html Comparisons with Kristallnacht, accusing anyone of saying that it is important to try and understand the causes of this in order that we can prevent it reoccurring as showing that their "sympathies lie with the rioters". What a lot of utter shite. Still waiting on one single person outside of the looters themselves claiming it was "OK" as Lipman suggests is happening on a widespread level. Embarrassing. yup. Trying to understand the sociological reasons for such an event is something we should definitely be doing, that's not the same as excusing what's happened. I can't really understand why so many people can't see the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Wiseau Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 It's not so much polemic as offensive shite. Polemic pish, utter shite / offensive shite. Tomayto/Tomahto I'll hashtag it #LipmanIsACock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToYouToMe Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Pretty shocking isn't it ML, police shot a known gangster in possession of a loaded weapon. I'm guessing your train of thought is that they should have waited until he pulled the trigger before retaliating. My thought, it is a crime to carry a loaded weapon on the streets of the UK, and if anyone is caught with such a weapon the police have every right to shoot such persons, that is what we employ them to do, to maintain law and order. He wasn't carrying a loaded gun because he was thirsty or because he had BO, he was carrying it for a reason, he won't do it again which means other people are now safer. You talk a lot of sense my friend. Amazing how many folk slag off the police and blame them for everything, until they need them that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 So because she was a girl she cant be dealt with the same way as a 16 year old laddie throwing rocks at police In this age of equality she is quite entitled to be treated just the same. Indeed it's her right. Don't know what all the squawking is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 In this age of equality she is quite entitled to be treated just the same. Indeed it's her right. Don't know what all the squawking is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Pretty shocking isn't it ML, police shot a known gangster in possession of a loaded weapon. I'm guessing your train of thought is that they should have waited until he pulled the trigger before retaliating. My thought, it is a crime to carry a loaded weapon on the streets of the UK, and if anyone is caught with such a weapon the police have every right to shoot such persons, that is what we employ them to do, to maintain law and order. He wasn't carrying a loaded gun because he was thirsty or because he had BO, he was carrying it for a reason, he won't do it again which means other people are now safer. Yes your guessing of my line of thought is were it ends,i am in no way condoning him carrying a gun or any other person who does but have the rules of engagement suddenly change where no pre warning was given and a shoot on sight method was introduced;???Where the police lucky in their guessing that he was carrying a gun, how did they determine he had a gun or was it a case of he is a gangster so he must have a gun so lets just shoot him dead and ask questions latter; Did the police know he was carrying a gun due to their surveillance before they shot first or do we now have a police force that has been given powers to shoot anyone they might GUESS or suspect of carrying a firearms ,is this the kind of policing we want in the UK acting as missionaries; ;Do the police need to be held more accountable in cases like this or do they do as they please and adopt the American way of shoot first just in case a gun is in possession; BO or no BO there is nothing wrong with having the opinion that everything we are told is never just black and white and IF the police did act hastily then you bet your bottom dollar it will be white washed, every person including the police are held accountable for their actions;What needs addressed here is was their sufficient justifications for this man to be shot dead IF there was no sign on his part of provocation or danger to the police beyond him having a gun in his possession, if not why was there no pre warning to given to him,that was my point in my OP;ML; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 I'll hashtag it #LipmanIsACock Or go for #lipmanisacockweasel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadgey55 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 ML, police don't just carry guns around in the hope some ned is armed and dngerous. I would like to think a bit of planning went into this episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 ML, police don't just carry guns around in the hope some ned is armed and dngerous. I would like to think a bit of planning went into this episode. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Yes your guessing of my line of thought is were it ends,i am in no way condoning him carrying a gun or any other person who does but have the rules of engagement suddenly change where no pre warning was given and a shoot on sight method was introduced;???Where the police lucky in their guessing that he was carrying a gun, how did they determine he had a gun or was it a case of he is a gangster so he must have a gun so lets just shoot him dead and ask questions latter; Did the police know he was carrying a gun due to their surveillance before they shot first or do we now have a police force that has been given powers to shoot anyone they might GUESS or suspect of carrying a firearms ,is this the kind of policing we want in the UK acting as missionaries; ;Do the police need to be held more accountable in cases like this or do they do as they please and adopt the American way of shoot first just in case a gun is in possession; BO or no BO there is nothing wrong with having the opinion that everything we are told is never just black and white and IF the police did act hastily then you bet your bottom dollar it will be white washed, every person including the police are held accountable for their actions;What needs addressed here is was their sufficient justifications for this man to be shot dead IF there was no sign on his part of provocation or danger to the police beyond him having a gun in his possession, if not why was there no pre warning to given to him,that was my point in my OP;ML; Bottom line surely is that if you go out carrying a gun and you end up in a body bag - you've got what you deserve. Too much fluff in the navel contemplating going on here. Maybe that's the real message that should go out to the "boy gangstas" have a gun in your possession and your not looking at a prison sentence - your looking up at the zip fastener on the inside of a body bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boaby Ewing Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 - check out the last few seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ring-of-fire Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Bottom line surely is that if you go out carrying a gun and you end up in a body bag - you've got what you deserve. Too much fluff in the navel contemplating going on here. Maybe that's the real message that should go out to the "boy gangstas" have a gun in your possession and your not looking at a prison sentence - your looking up at the zip fastener on the inside of a body bag. They were following/targeting him because of phone chatter about how he was planning on carrying out a shooting. He never shot first, which in my opinion means the police have done their job, if he had shot then been shot the police would have been reactive not proactive; I'd rather (and I'm sure all law abiding citizens would agree) never be victim of a crime then to be a victim but the culprit is apprehended soon after. You carry a gun and the police are in belief that you are going to use this on someone else, then you run the risk of being shot. Have no sympathy for anyone that runs that risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Fair play to the dad of one of the victims. That's the kind of sensible community leadership that is lacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_vlad Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 and here we go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Brody Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Anything happening then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 A couple of points here below after it was revealed that he never shot first; 1;Police officers said the man who was inside the cab was shot to death in a gun fight with police officers after the man OPENED FIRE but the IPCC investigation reveals that the police lied and that the man in fact NEVER opened fire; 2;So why the need to lie, unless you are attempting to cover up something;This in not the first time that the police have been found wanting but once again i am not condoning anyone carrying firearms ,what i do condone is cowardly avoidance of accountability based on lies for actions that are determined unjust or breach the rules of engagement and i am sure any other honourable gents and ladies would agree;ML; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Brody Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 A couple of points here below after it was revealed that he never shot first; 1;Police officers said the man who was inside the cab was shot to death in a gun fight with police officers after the man OPENED FIRE but the IPCC investigation reveals that the police lied and that the man in fact NEVER opened fire; 2;So why the need to lie, unless you are attempting to cover up something;This in not the first time that the police have been found wanting but once again i am not condoning anyone carrying firearms ,what i do condone is cowardly avoidance of accountability based on lies for actions that are determined unjust or breach the rules of engagement and i am sure any other honourable gents and ladies would agree;ML; One of the police officers had a bullet lodged in his radio did he not? Probably put one and two together and stated that he was in a fire fight seeing as he had a bullet shot at him. He wouldn't be able to know who it was fired from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian Lambretta Posted August 10, 2011 Author Share Posted August 10, 2011 I think this is Millwall and possibly EDL out on the streets looking for neds. Police are trying stop them from attacking poor little black kids. and here we go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Seeger Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 - check out the last few seconds. That's seriously cheered me up. Kick him when he's down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deek Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 - check out the last few seconds. Brilliant Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munch Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 A couple of points here below after it was revealed that he never shot first; 1;Police officers said the man who was inside the cab was shot to death in a gun fight with police officers after the man OPENED FIRE but the IPCC investigation reveals that the police lied and that the man in fact NEVER opened fire; 2;So why the need to lie, unless you are attempting to cover up something;This in not the first time that the police have been found wanting but once again i am not condoning anyone carrying firearms ,what i do condone is cowardly avoidance of accountability based on lies for actions that are determined unjust or breach the rules of engagement and i am sure any other honourable gents and ladies would agree;ML; This has to be a cover up a conspiracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoussetsShorts Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Good on the EDL at least they've got something right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_vlad Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 I think this is Millwall and possibly EDL out on the streets looking for neds. Police are trying stop them from attacking poor little black kids. There was a officer on BBC news earlier in the evening that basically said ' Being drunk and singing football songs does nothing to help your community' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_vlad Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Good on the EDL at least they've got something right. i'm sure they will find another bus to attack with darkies on it?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 I think this is Millwall and possibly EDL out on the streets looking for neds. Police are trying stop them from attacking poor little black kids. No the boozed up EDL scum could not find anybody to attack so started chucking bottles at the police , they are not the answer to any question . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Gordons Gloves Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Good on the EDL at least they've got something right. what an absolutely ridiculous statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.J Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Good on the EDL at least they've got something right. Well said. From the very start, what this situation has needed is a mob of violent, neanderthal racists to wade in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Lighter Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Well said. From the very start, what this situation has needed is a mob of violent, neanderthal racists to wade in. Agreed, it's just a shame the Met weren't up to the task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Brody Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 EDL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 The father of that lad that was killed showed outstanding class. As did many others in that group. If everyone in a similar situation as that showed sense and restraint of that kind then there would be much more respect between people within the community. And there would be a much healthier relationship between racial groups and the police. It would have been eeasy for that man to rage at the police for some reason or another, but he didn't. Huge respect to the guy and his friends and family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Seeger Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Good on the EDL at least they've got something right. Yeah because not enough of the dregs of society have been involved over the past few nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Sexington Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 The father of that lad that was killed showed outstanding class. As did many others in that group. If everyone in a similar situation as that showed sense and restraint of that kind then there would be much more respect between people within the community. And there would be a much healthier relationship between racial groups and the police. It would have been eeasy for that man to rage at the police for some reason or another, but he didn't. Huge respect to the guy and his friends and family. Correct. Very moving to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Correct. Very moving to see. Indeed. And something to restore some faith in one that there are decent people out there. I think that guy could do a lot of good in a wider sense from his own tragedy. It seems to me that he would know others of a similar calibre as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Yasmin Alibhai Brown playing the race card in record time on Sky News. I'm genuinely surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Yasmin Alibhai Brown playing the race card in record time on Sky News. I'm genuinely surprised. Is that bitch still polluting the airwaves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribery's Face Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 - check out the last few seconds. this is one of the many things that would make david obua lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 <br /><br />Is that bitch still polluting the airwaves?<br /> <br /><br /><br />Possibly one of the most odious 'political commentators' ever to grace the airwaves. She's a fecking horrible cow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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