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wattie exploited

get gordon in he would have saved the first goal for sure :rifle:

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A_A wehatethehibs

I have been a backer of Zander, the unit as a whole has worked well together.
 

But I think I would put Gordon back in for Hibs. The team needs a shot in the arm after that and 2-3 changes. You need freshness 

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Madjambo21

I'd put Gordon in.

He is head and shoulders a better keeper.

Zander is a cracking spfl keeper and will do for when Gordon hangs up the gloves

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Watt-Zeefuik

Thought it was time for Gordon after the last Dundee game, I think so again.

 

It's tough on Clark but he knew what he was signing up for when he signed with us.

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tiger Rudi

What happened today was unacceptable and Zander was part of it. He's not to blame for the defeat, but along with Beni, Atkinson, Grant and Rowles they can hardly have any complaints if they find themselves benched for Wednesday. 

Naismith has shown a ruthless side before now, I'm sure he will be raging at that performance. 

Gordon can make mistakes too, but he can pull off saves that Zander can't. 

 

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HeartsandonlyHearts
37 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said:

I have been a backer of Zander, the unit as a whole has worked well together.
 

But I think I would put Gordon back in for Hibs. The team needs a shot in the arm after that and 2-3 changes. You need freshness 

This. We make other changes during the season to make a point to players.

Why is any goalie untouchable? He wasn’t good today. He wasn’t the worst but he didn’t help. We’d be mad if Shankland was sitting on the bench after an injury. Trying to shoehorn in another forward while our best striker watches. Get Gordon back in. He’s a better goalie. Everyone knows it. 

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Benny Klack

If we’re dropping Zander cos of today we should be dropping Rowles, Beni, Akky, Grant & Shanks as well then aye?

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Pasquale for King
Just now, Benny Klack said:

If we’re dropping Zander cos of today we should be dropping Rowles, Beni, Akky, Grant & Shanks as well then aye?

If there are better players to replace them then yes, what part do you think Shankland played in losing 5 goals?

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Frank Sidebottom

Gordon is the best GK we’ve had and he’s not going to be around forever.  
 

Not that I think we won’t finish 3rd but he could be key in the games coming up.  
 

time for a recall. 

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Get Gordon in for the hibs game. The better keeper for sure and beyond that it’ll give us a psychological boost after that today. 

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Just now, Pasquale for King said:

Feels like most folk realise Gordon should return on Wednesday. 


He should have been back in when he declared himself fit

 

Folk might see that as a massive criticism of Zander but it isn’t, Gordon is our best keeper and probably the best player we’ve had in this century. Everyone at the club says he’s better than ever in training so having him on the bench when fit just doesn’t make sense to me.

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gorgierulesapply88

Welcome back the clubs best keeper.

 

No excuses not to play him now.

 

Thanks for deputising Zander.

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Benny Klack
5 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

If there are better players to replace them then yes, what part do you think Shankland played in losing 5 goals?


None -he  just put in a well below par performance like the rest of the players I listed. 
 

We’re still getting heavily beat today with Gordon in goal

 

 

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Pasquale for King
1 minute ago, BigAlim said:


He should have been back in when he declared himself fit

 

Folk might see that as a massive criticism of Zander but it isn’t, Gordon is our best keeper and probably the best player we’ve had in this century. Everyone at the club says he’s better than ever in training so having him on the bench when fit just doesn’t make sense to me.

No need to convince me, I said it myself at the time, but it was due to Clark continuing to make mistakes game after game. It was only a matter of time before he did so again. 

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Pasquale for King
1 minute ago, Benny Klack said:


None -he  just put in a well below par performance like the rest of the players I listed. 
 

We’re still getting heavily beat today with Gordon in goal

 

 

You play your best players, Clark is not better than Gordon.

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tiger Rudi
Just now, Pasquale for King said:

Feels like most folk realise Gordon should return on Wednesday. 

Naismith has a decision to make.

1. Bench a number of players who contributed to that performance today. 

2. Stick with the same team and give them a chance to redeem themselves. 

 

Personally I hope he freshens things up. Forrest didn't deserve to be dropped today. A rest for Beni looks a good call. Rowles and Atkinson will think themselves lucky if they start. 

Tait or Devlin for Grant. 

Gordon for Clark. I think it's time to bring him back tbh. 

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vegas-voss

He will show loyalty Clark 

 

Gordon for me over Clark everytime but I reckon Naismith will show loyalty I have the feeling Naismith isn't a knee jerk manager.

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Hibs will have their tails up and fancy their chances now on Wednesday.

 

How ****ing gutted would every single one of them be to see Craig Gordon back in our starting line-up? He’s undefeated against them since he came back and scunners them every game he plays against them. 

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Benny Klack
2 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

He will show loyalty Clark 

 

Gordon for me over Clark everytime but I reckon Naismith will show loyalty I have the feeling Naismith isn't a knee jerk manager.


Think you’re right - I’m happy to let the manager decide, he sees them day in day out 

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A_A wehatethehibs
2 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

He will show loyalty Clark 

 

Gordon for me over Clark everytime but I reckon Naismith will show loyalty I have the feeling Naismith isn't a knee jerk manager.


It wouldn’t be knee jerk. There is competition for jerseys at Hearts, and when any team we send out loses 5 goals, as a manager you are perfectly well justified making 3-4-5 changes to that team. Not necessarily the GK but Gordon just happens to be the most obvious change, due to his quality, mentality and composure we know what he will bring. 

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HeartsandonlyHearts
27 minutes ago, Benny Klack said:

If we’re dropping Zander cos of today we should be dropping Rowles, Beni, Akky, Grant & Shanks as well then aye?

You got 4 out of 5 who could be dropped for today’s display. I’ll let you decide which one I don’t agree with you on.

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Benny Klack

There’s another thread for this - or are you expecting SN to see this post and think “oh aye, I’d better do what this lad says” 🤦‍♂️

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gorgierulesapply88
4 minutes ago, Legend Claws said:

What did Clark do wrong?

He's not the best keeper at the club.

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Bull's-eye
Just now, gorgierulesapply88 said:

He's not the best keeper at the club.

 

You know better than the Gaffer ?

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King of the North

Never mind about knee jerk, who deserves it, fairness, or anything else. 

 

You play your best players. 

 

Craig Gordon is our best keeper. By a fecking street. 

 

He plays from now on. 

 

 

 

 

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Felix Lighter

Spills or knocks too many balls in front of him from routine saves. 2nd goal today the rangers boy telegraphed where he was placing his effort, Clark dives in slow motion. 5th goal 🤦‍♂️ 

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gorgierulesapply88
17 minutes ago, Bull's-eye said:

 

You know better than the Gaffer ?

As a keeper I'd like to think I know more about the position than him aye..

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Ricardo Quaresma

Naismith hasn't said who he thinks the better 'keeper is

 

Everyone knows who's better

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26 minutes ago, Bull's-eye said:

 

You know better than the Gaffer ?


The gaffer knows Clark isn’t the best keeper. He was just being fair and waiting for the opportune moment. This is it. 

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Benny Klack
11 minutes ago, gorgierulesapply88 said:

As a keeper I'd like to think I know more about the position than him aye..


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Kirky Jambo

Gordon for me. He is just a better keeper. 
 

Clark has done well but is about the standard of a backup keeper for a club like Hearts, which is exactly why he was signed.

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Bull's-eye
39 minutes ago, gorgierulesapply88 said:

As a keeper I'd like to think I know more about the position than him aye..

 

This is bigboy fitbaw wee man.

 

Not Subbuteo.

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wattie exploited
1 hour ago, Legend Claws said:

What did Clark do wrong?

did  you see the game :rifle:

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Pasquale for King
1 hour ago, tiger Rudi said:

Naismith has a decision to make.

1. Bench a number of players who contributed to that performance today. 

2. Stick with the same team and give them a chance to redeem themselves. 

 

Personally I hope he freshens things up. Forrest didn't deserve to be dropped today. A rest for Beni looks a good call. Rowles and Atkinson will think themselves lucky if they start. 

Tait or Devlin for Grant. 

Gordon for Clark. I think it's time to bring him back tbh. 

Forrest proved last week he can’t play in a front two so thats why he was dropped. 
Gordon for Clark.

Devlin for Beni. 
Dexter for Atkinson. 
Oda for Rowles.

Forrest for Grant.

442 to match them and go for it from 

the start. 
Starting the same team wont work, booed off at HT again then move Cochrane to midfield, then go 442 for 30 minutes is the likely scenario. 

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Pasquale for King
1 hour ago, Legend Claws said:

What did Clark do wrong?

Didn’t move his feet quickly enough to save the first, another goal

lost from outside the box, should've came for the crosses at the 3rd and 4th, should’ve saved the 5th. Alongside some other handling mistakes. 
Time for a rest and the best GK in the league to start. 

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Ron Burgundy

I dont mind Clarke but if anything is any distance from him he’s not stopping it. He gets no distance when he pushes off when diving. Its like watching a roll of carpet falling over. 
Gordon is our best keeper by a mile so if fully fit he should play imo. 

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Pasquale for King
50 minutes ago, King of the North said:

Never mind about knee jerk, who deserves it, fairness, or anything else. 

 

You play your best players. 

 

Craig Gordon is our best keeper. By a fecking street. 

 

He plays from now on. 

 

 

 

 

Well said 

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Yeah Gordon back in for me on Wednesday.
Second goal today would have been stopped by Craig, as would the fifth.

 

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A_A wehatethehibs
2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Forrest proved last week he can’t play in a front two so thats why he was dropped. 
Gordon for Clark.

Devlin for Beni. 
Dexter for Atkinson. 
Oda for Rowles.

Forrest for Grant.

442 to match them and go for it from 

the start. 
Starting the same team wont work, booed off at HT again then move Cochrane to midfield, then go 442 for 30 minutes is the likely scenario. 


Devlin and Beni in midfield for me. Previously had a great partnership and they know each others game. They’ll dominate Hibs imo. And no to Oda from the start. But apart from that agree. A performance and result like today, Steven Naismith needs to ask, what would his former manager Jim Jeffries do. The answer is, absolute rocket up the players and ring the changes at least 3,4,5 changes 

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Gordon Ramsay

Gordon should have been back in weeks ago.

 

Clark can't catch a cross ball.

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Scott Monument

Zander is a top keeper and deserves to be our number 1 this season we should all get behind him for a change and stop all the criticism of him all the time don’t get me wrong Craig is still a top keeper we are lucky to have them at the club 

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David McCaig
34 minutes ago, Scott Monument said:

Zander is a top keeper and deserves to be our number 1 this season we should all get behind him for a change and stop all the criticism of him all the time don’t get me wrong Craig is still a top keeper we are lucky to have them at the club 

Why does Clark deserve to be our #1 if Gordon is clearly a far better player?

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