JimmyCant Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 24 minutes ago, Jeff said: Yeah, sadly all of the teams on the left are at a much higher level than us True. But the whole thing opens up for us if the seeded team in R2 lose to the non seeded team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 1 hour ago, JimmyCant said: True. But the whole thing opens up for us if the seeded team in R2 lose to the non seeded team We won't be seeded in PO round in this scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, Ricardo Quaresma said: We won't be seeded in PO round in this scenario It won’t matter much because the PO round draw is made before the R3 matches. Whatever way you cut it, we’ll have to beat a decent seeded team at at least one of stages to qualify for the groups but I’d rather it was just one we have to beat instead of two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 17 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: It won’t matter much because the PO round draw is made before the R3 matches. Whatever way you cut it, we’ll have to beat a decent seeded team at at least one of stages to qualify for the groups but I’d rather it was just one we have to beat instead of two. We will have to beat a decent seeded team; preferably in the 3rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VALDOS' Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 I have to be honest, it's difficult to pick any of those seeded teams and think aye that's a decent draw... especially at this early stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ricardo Quaresma said: We will have to beat a decent seeded team; preferably in the 3rd You need to wait till you see the play off draw to work out best case I reckon. I just can’t see us wriggling through 2 rounds here unless seeds we are due to come up against go out and we play the lesser of two evils TWICE! Although Theres a few of those seeds we might give a game on a bad night (for them) and a good night (for us)Bodo Glimt for example - some funny results they’ve suffered. I think we want to avoid Dutch or Turkish teams. My preference would be anything Portuguese or Polish (notorious bad travellers) Edited July 22, 2023 by JimmyCant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: You need to wait till you see the play off draw to work out best case I reckon. I just can’t see us wriggling through 2 rounds here unless seeds we are due to come up against go out and we play the lesser of two evils TWICE! Although Theres a few of those seeds we might give a game on a bad night (for them) and a good night (for us)Bodo Glimt for example - some funny results they’ve suffered. I think we want to avoid Dutch or Turkish teams. My preference would be anything Portuguese or Polish (notorious bad travellers) Well, like I have posted a couple of times on this thread, the 'Goldilocks Zone' for us in 3rd round is from Cluj down to Viktoria, but I think Bodo are in there, probably don't want them either If we get any of them and beat them, we're seeded in the PO round If I had the choice of Bodo or luck of the draw, it would be 'come ahead Bodo, ya bams' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ricardo Quaresma said: Well, like I have posted a couple of times on this thread, the 'Goldilocks Zone' for us in 3rd round is from Cluj down to Viktoria, but I think Bodo are in there, probably don't want them either If we get any of them and beat them, we're seeded in the PO round If I had the choice of Bodo or luck of the draw, it would be 'come ahead Bodo, ya bams' Agree with what your saying, but the PO round draw would be made BEFORE we play our Q3 opponents so being ‘seeded’ doesn’t really matter since your opponents are already decided (one of two possibles) It all really depends if you beat a seed who would have been a seed in the PO round had they won. Bodo/Glimt (for example) probably wouldn’t be, so even if we beat them, the next oponent is likely going to be seeded with a co-efficient much higher than Bodo Glimt If you check Kassie you’ll see how it all panned out last season. PO round is stock full of top European sides with big co-efficients including drop outs from the CL and Europa league We might get very lucky and get the good end of a few surprises but I’d suggest it’ll take the best European outcome in our history (by a distance) to get into the groups Edited July 22, 2023 by JimmyCant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenNaismith Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 We won’t make the group stages which is pretty hard to swallow when we should’ve been guaranteed it 🤮 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, JimmyCant said: Agree with what your saying, but the PO round draw would be made BEFORE we play our Q3 opponents so being ‘seeded’ doesn’t really matter since your opponents are already decided (one of two possibles) It all really depends if you beat a seed who would have been a seed in the PO round had they won. Bodo/Glimt (for example) probably wouldn’t be, so even if we beat them, the next oponent is likely going to be seeded with a co-efficient much higher than Bodo Glimt If you check Kassie you’ll see how it all panned out last season. PO round is stock full of top European sides with big co-efficients including drop outs from the CL and Europa league We might get very lucky and get the good end of a few surprises but I’d suggest it’ll take the best European outcome in our history (by a distance) to get into the groups I did state that 'I thought Bodo were in that group of teams' (sic) They're not, actually, their rating is 20.000 So, we don't want Bodo, they're no good at all The teams are now: CFR Cluj ** Rom 27.500 FC Midtjylland ** Den 25.500 Partizan Belgrade *3 Srb 25.500 PAOK Thessaloniki ** Gre 25.000 Maccabi Tel-Aviv ** Isr 24.000 Viktoria Plzen ** Cze 22.000 It's Partizan Belgrade I would least fancy beating, Bodo were in that mix earlier, before changes to the list - Edited July 23, 2023 by Ricardo Quaresma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnybob72 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 I was under the impression that the Conference league was introduced so teams from the lesser leagues had the chance to have more European football - but looking at the teams in it that doesn’t seem to be the case. All that has happened is there is a 3rd competition where teams from lesser leagues are still cannon fodder for the bigger teams with seeding not helping the issue. Last season’s final between West Ham and Fiorentina was hardly a couple of plucky minnows! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregzy2k7 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Draw happening tomorrow, quite excited to see who we get but realistically looking like we will get pumped rotten by most of those seeded sides. You never know though in a one off tie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceefax Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 On 21/07/2023 at 00:27, DB-14 said: Here we go… We’ll find out around 8 or 9am on Monday morning if the teams are split into different groups. So Hearts possible opponents will be cut down to about 5 or 6 teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 42 minutes ago, skinnybob72 said: I was under the impression that the Conference league was introduced so teams from the lesser leagues had the chance to have more European football - but looking at the teams in it that doesn’t seem to be the case. All that has happened is there is a 3rd competition where teams from lesser leagues are still cannon fodder for the bigger teams with seeding not helping the issue. Last season’s final between West Ham and Fiorentina was hardly a couple of plucky minnows! Quite the opposite. It was a cynical ploy to keep clubs from the top 5 leagues in European group stage football of some kind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flimsy Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 1 minute ago, JimmyCant said: Quite the opposite. It was a cynical ploy to keep clubs from the top 5 leagues in European group stage football of some kind. It has also given champions of smaller nations a shot at group stage football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Flimsy said: It has also given champions of smaller nations a shot at group stage football. And the third place SPFL club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 16 minutes ago, ceefax said: We’ll find out around 8 or 9am on Monday morning if the teams are split into different groups. So Hearts possible opponents will be cut down to about 5 or 6 teams. It’ll be groups of 8 and groups of 10. Half seeded. Half not seeded. So our opponents will be narrowed down to 4 or 5. This might happen tonight. More likely first thing tomorrow morning as you said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 23 minutes ago, Flimsy said: It has also given champions of smaller nations a shot at group stage football. Champions excluded from the Champions league at the expense of 4th place teams in the big leagues you mean ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 23 minutes ago, davemclaren said: And the third place SPFL club. The third place SPFL club doesn’t get group stage football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: The third place SPFL club doesn’t get group stage football True. It might be by default but, in practice, it has got it the two seasons it's been available so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FionaHmfc Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 24 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: It’ll be groups of 8 and groups of 10. Half seeded. Half not seeded. So our opponents will be narrowed down to 4 or 5. This might happen tonight. More likely first thing tomorrow morning as you said Is there where it will be kind of regionalised if it happens? Seen that happen in precious rounds with all Scandinavian teams kept with UK teams and Far Eastern places like Israel, Romania etc all together? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, FionaHmfc said: Is there where it will be kind of regionalised if it happens? Seen that happen in precious rounds with all Scandinavian teams kept with UK teams and Far Eastern places like Israel, Romania etc all together? Hmmmm not sure. Don’t think so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FionaHmfc Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 UEFA website confirms any groupings will be made available from 9am tomorrow morning before the draw. So seems like it might be grouped again which means we’ll probably be able to narrow down our potential opponents to maybe 5-6 teams tomorrow morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FionaHmfc Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Unsure if it will be regionalised like it has been before but some of the countries Hibs could have went to for their 2nd round are listed below and all seem to be grouped close together geographically - Iceland Netherlands Sweden Wales Ireland Gibraltar Belgium Norway Faroes Andorra. Compare that to another random group. Group 7 which had Bulgaria, Romania, Israel, Belarus, Bosnia, Georgia, Cyprus etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 1 hour ago, FionaHmfc said: UEFA website confirms any groupings will be made available from 9am tomorrow morning before the draw. So seems like it might be grouped again which means we’ll probably be able to narrow down our potential opponents to maybe 5-6 teams tomorrow morning What time is the draw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon_1874 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Rosenborg please, not anywhere near as good as they once were. Currently 11th in the Norwegian top flight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian Lambretta Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gordon_1874 said: Rosenborg please, not anywhere near as good as they once were. Currently 11th in the Norwegian top flight. Aye should be easy enough then just like Zurich last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 21 minutes ago, Italian Lambretta said: Aye should be easy enough then just like Zurich last season. Not sure anyone is saying it will be easy, just preferable. FWIW we more than matched Zurich last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Despite the disappointment of last season, this is still really exciting! Wish it was the Europa PO draw we were waiting on mind you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceefax Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 1 hour ago, karipidis said: What time is the draw? Lunch time Think the champions league and Europa league draws are first. Then the conference league draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brux Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 15 minutes ago, ceefax said: Lunch time Think the champions league and Europa league draws are first. Then the conference league draw. Yeah could be a wee bit of a wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back to 2005 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Italian Lambretta said: Aye should be easy enough then just like Zurich last season. Where did Zurich end up finishing? Genuine question as I remember them being close to bottom when they played us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said: Where did Zurich end up finishing? Genuine question as I remember them being close to bottom when they played us. Third from bottom. Interestingly only 6pts off Europe. Was a really tight league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back to 2005 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Homme said: Third from bottom. Interestingly only 6pts off Europe. Was a really tight league. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon_1874 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Italian Lambretta said: Aye should be easy enough then just like Zurich last season. Show me where I said it would be easy please ? What happened last season doesn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie_Rules Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Won’t be the mad panic for booking up like there was last year from the looks of those potential teams. Many folk I know that booked for Florence did so a day or so after the mad rush and it most cases ended up with cheaper and more convenient routes, and that was when around 4,000 were going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous 1874 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Is it first out the draw is at home first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Sidebottom Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, Famous 1874 said: Is it first out the draw is at home first? That’s what the UEFA website suggests but I’m sure I read the higher seeded team were at home the second leg in the earlier rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterboy Posted July 23, 2023 Author Share Posted July 23, 2023 Hearts and Hibs should both be in the draw, and can't see us both playing at home the same night so a chance one fixture will be swapped around. Won't know if we are home or away first until its confirmed by UEFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Gold Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 23 minutes ago, Waterboy said: Hearts and Hibs should both be in the draw, and can't see us both playing at home the same night so a chance one fixture will be swapped around. Won't know if we are home or away first until its confirmed by UEFA. There's a high chance that won't be confirmed until their 2nd leg is over which is just a week before our 1sr leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tian447 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Gordon_1874 said: Rosenborg please, not anywhere near as good as they once were. Currently 11th in the Norwegian top flight. Would prefer Crusaders! Just down the road from me Doubt they'll be able to overcome Rosenborg though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Herbertson Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 What’s with the 'Hearts'. It's Heart of Midlothian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Mikey Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Craig Herbertson said: What’s with the 'Hearts'. It's Heart of Midlothian. Heart of Midlothian, ya bass ... get them telt!!! Hearts? ... Jam Tarts? ... Jambos? What's next? ... Jambonians? Jambonistas? Harrumph!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie_Rules Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 8 hours ago, Waterboy said: Hearts and Hibs should both be in the draw, and can't see us both playing at home the same night so a chance one fixture will be swapped around. Won't know if we are home or away first until its confirmed by UEFA. Hopefully Hearts push for confirmation on this and announce something. ‘If the wee team beat some Andoran mob then away game will be x date’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Daveandal Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, FionaHmfc said: Oh dear, not looking good for the old Goldielocks draw.... That said anyone from 4 or 5 isn't impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian Lambretta Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Back to Intanbul 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FionaHmfc Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Daveandal said: Oh dear, not looking good for the old Goldielocks draw.... That said anyone from 4 or 5 isn't impossible. 4 or 5 is our best hope. Can’t see any of the lower ranked teams beating Fenerbache, Brugge or FC Twente. Tricky draw but hopefully luck will be on our side somewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveandal Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, FionaHmfc said: 4 or 5 is our best hope. Can’t see any of the lower ranked teams beating Fenerbache, Brugge or FC Twente. Tricky draw but hopefully luck will be on our side somewhere Some familiar faces... Fenerbache have Ryan Kent and Brugge have Jack Henry and Ronny Deila Also Twente have a player called van Wolfswinkle (sounds like a 1970s footballer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back to 2005 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Well it was never going to be easy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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