Hearts in Europe: 23/24 : v Rosenborg - Away leg on Hearts ppv ( updated )

[Waterboy]

That's the list of possible opponents complete.  

 

Italics = assumed to qualify from Q2

Bold = currently have a high enough coefficient to also be seeded in the following Playoff round - if we beat them, we would therefore be seeded in the Playoff

 

12 of the 27 teams have a high enough coefficient to also be seeded in the following Playoff round.  If we beat them in Q3, we would be seeded in the Playoff.  The teams at the top of the list would take some beating, so we would probably be looking for a team at the bottom of the bolded section.   That's all based on coefficient of course, there might be teams in that bolded section with a high coefficient but are actually not up to much right now - someone with better knowledge of the European leagues might be able to provide more insight

 

Club Brugge                   Belgium

FC Basel                          Switzerland

AZ Alkmaar                    Netherlands

AA Gent                           Belgium

Dinamo Kyiv                   Ukraine

Fenerbahce                   Turkey

CFR Cluj                           Romania

FC Midtjylland              Denmark

Partizan Belgrade        Serbia

PAOK                                 Greece

Maccabi Tel-Aviv         Israel

Viktoria Plzen               Czech Rep

Bodo/Glimt                   Norway

Lech Poznan                Poland

Rapid Wien                   Austria

Hapoel Beer-Sheva     Israel

Djurgardens                 Sweden

APOEL Nicosia             Cyprus

Besiktas                       Turkey

CSKA Sofia                   Bulgaria

FC Twente                    Netherlands

NK Rijeka                      Croatia

FC Arouca                     Portugal

Vitoria Guimaraes         Portugal

FCSB                             Romania

Legia Warsaw               Poland

Rosenborg                    Norway

[Fxxx the SPFL]

1 hour ago, Waterboy said:

That's the list of possible opponents complete.  

 

Italics = assumed to qualify from Q2

Bold = currently have a high enough coefficient to also be seeded in the following Playoff round - if we beat them, we would therefore be seeded in the Playoff

 

12 of the 27 teams have a high enough coefficient to also be seeded in the following Playoff round.  If we beat them in Q3, we would be seeded in the Playoff.  The teams at the top of the list would take some beating, so we would probably be looking for a team at the bottom of the bolded section.   That's all based on coefficient of course, there might be teams in that bolded section with a high coefficient but are actually not up to much right now - someone with better knowledge of the European leagues might be able to provide more insight

 

Club Brugge                   Belgium

FC Basel                          Switzerland

AZ Alkmaar                    Netherlands

AA Gent                           Belgium

Dinamo Kyiv                   Ukraine

Fenerbahce                   Turkey

CFR Cluj                           Romania

FC Midtjylland              Denmark

Partizan Belgrade        Serbia

PAOK                                 Greece

Maccabi Tel-Aviv         Israel

Viktoria Plzen               Czech Rep

Bodo/Glimt                   Norway

Lech Poznan                Poland

Rapid Wien                   Austria

Hapoel Beer-Sheva     Israel

Djurgardens                 Sweden

APOEL Nicosia             Cyprus

Besiktas                       Turkey

CSKA Sofia                   Bulgaria

FC Twente                    Netherlands

NK Rijeka                      Croatia

FC Arouca                     Portugal

Vitoria Guimaraes         Portugal

FCSB                             Romania

Legia Warsaw               Poland

Rosenborg                    Norway

cheers WB when is the draw

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

Looks like a round of dodging war and natural disasters

[Waterboy]

1 hour ago, **** the SPFL said:

cheers WB when is the draw

 

Timeline

 

20 June           Q1 draw

21 June            Q2 draw  

 

13 July             Q1 1st leg

20 July             Q1 2nd leg

 

24 July               Q3 draw

 

27 July             Q2 1st leg

3 August          Q2 2nd leg

 

7 August          Playoff draw

 

10 August         Q3 1st leg

17 August         Q3 2nd leg

 

24 August         Playoff 1st leg

31 August          Playoff 2nd leg

 

1 September    Group stage draw

Edited June 12, 2023 by Waterboy

[Fxxx the SPFL]

23 minutes ago, Waterboy said:

 

Timeline

 

20 June           Q1 draw

21 June            Q2 draw  

 

13 July             Q1 1st leg

20 July             Q1 2nd leg

 

24 July               Q3 draw

 

27 July             Q2 1st leg

3 August          Q2 2nd leg

 

7 August          Playoff draw

 

10 August         Q3 1st leg

17 August         Q3 2nd leg

 

24 August         Playoff 1st leg

31 August          Playoff 2nd leg

 

1 September    Group stage draw

a long wait then cheers.

[Daveandal]

Touch of luck needed in the draw and on the pitch.

Love Euro threads. Shame we'll have to wait a bit for this one to spark into life.

[Waterboy]

4 minutes ago, Daveandal said:

Touch of luck needed in the draw and on the pitch.

Love Euro threads. Shame we'll have to wait a bit for this one to spark into life.

 

True, one positive is we'll know next week which minnows will be putting Hibs out

[tian447]

16 hours ago, Ricardo Quaresma said:

 

Hincestibs

 

Incest FC vs Hincesti FC. 

 

Please UEFA, please

 

[karipidis]

On 12/06/2023 at 11:52, Waterboy said:

 

Timeline

 

20 June           Q1 draw

21 June            Q2 draw  

 

13 July             Q1 1st leg

20 July             Q1 2nd leg

 

24 July               Q3 draw

 

27 July             Q2 1st leg

3 August          Q2 2nd leg

 

7 August          Playoff draw

 

10 August         Q3 1st leg

17 August         Q3 2nd leg

 

24 August         Playoff 1st leg

31 August          Playoff 2nd leg

 

1 September    Group stage draw

Assume home and away is decided when the draw is made? So we won’t know which of the August dates we will play away on. 

[Waterboy]

10 hours ago, karipidis said:

Assume home and away is decided when the draw is made? So we won’t know which of the August dates we will play away on. 

 

That's right.

[Japan Jambo]

On 08/06/2023 at 13:08, Waterboy said:

CSKA Sofia added to the list. 3 more to go.

 

Italics = assumed to qualify from Q2

Bold = currently have a high enough coefficient to also be seeded in the following Playoff round - if we beat them, we would therefore be seeded in the Playoff

 

Club Brugge                   Belgium

FC Basel                          Switzerland

AZ Alkmaar                    Netherlands

AA Gent                           Belgium

Dinamo Kyiv                   Ukraine

Fenerbahce                   Turkey

CFR Cluj                           Romania

Partizan Belgrade        Serbia

PAOK                                 Greece

Maccabi Tel-Aviv         Israel

Viktoria Plzen               Czech Rep

Bodo/Glimt                   Norway

Lech Poznan                Poland

Rapid Wien                   Austria

Hapoel Beer-Sheva     Israel

Djurgardens                 Sweden

APOEL Nicosia             Cyprus

Besiktas                       Turkey

CSKA Sofia                   Bulgaria

NK Rijeka                      Croatia

FC Arouca                     Portugal

Vitoria Guimaraes         Portugal

FCSB                             Romania

Legia Warsaw               Poland

 

Here are Hibs potential opponents in Q2 as it stands for anyone interested.

 

 

And Aberdeen's possible opponents in the Europa League Playoff as it stands, with 5 others still to be added.

 

 

some jump in quality between those two rounds btw.

 

[Waterboy]

9 minutes ago, Japan Jambo said:

 

some jump in quality between those two rounds btw.

 

 

Difference is Hibs are seeded (just) in Q2.  So their list of possible opponents are all unseeded.  Our list of opponents in Q3 are all seeded.

[Japan Jambo]

as an aside I was just having a look at the Belgian league to see how KAA Gent got on, hadn't realised that they have a very interesting post normal games split. last season they had an 18 team league, home and away once, top four then play home and away for CL/Europa and next four play home and away for conference league. Think the season may well have ended at 34 games further down but struck me as an interesting possible model for Scotland - league could be expanded, Donkey gets his four OF games and teams could get around 40 games with a few tweaks.

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=kaa+gent&rlz=1C1GCEA_enGB793GB793&oq=kaa+gent&aqs=chrome.0.0i271j46i433i512j46i175i199i512j0i512l7.4326j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#sie=t;/m/057pq5;2;/m/050yt0;st;fp;1;;;

[Flimsy]

2 hours ago, Japan Jambo said:

as an aside I was just having a look at the Belgian league to see how KAA Gent got on, hadn't realised that they have a very interesting post normal games split. last season they had an 18 team league, home and away once, top four then play home and away for CL/Europa and next four play home and away for conference league. Think the season may well have ended at 34 games further down but struck me as an interesting possible model for Scotland - league could be expanded, Donkey gets his four OF games and teams could get around 40 games with a few tweaks.

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=kaa+gent&rlz=1C1GCEA_enGB793GB793&oq=kaa+gent&aqs=chrome.0.0i271j46i433i512j46i175i199i512j0i512l7.4326j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#sie=t;/m/057pq5;2;/m/050yt0;st;fp;1;;;

I've been saying this for ages. I like 16 teams dividing into 4x4 after playing home and away - 36 games in total. Belgium also halve points at the split. They had an incredible final day with three teams going for the title and during injury time all three were going to be champions at various points.

[HeartsandonlyHearts]

7 minutes ago, Flimsy said:

I've been saying this for ages. I like 16 teams dividing into 4x4 after playing home and away - 36 games in total. Belgium also halve points at the split. They had an incredible final day with three teams going for the title and during injury time all three were going to be champions at various points.

Unfortunately having three teams competing for the league is not what is wanted by our third rate association. It’s two teams only and my Mum could name them every August and knows nothing about football.

 

[AC Mallin_51]

13 hours ago, karipidis said:

Assume home and away is decided when the draw is made? So we won’t know which of the August dates we will play away on. 

Usually the seeded team at home second no? 

[FionaHmfc]

23 minutes ago, AC Mallin_51 said:

Usually the seeded team at home second no? 

No it’s first team out the hat that has the home game first 

[Ribble]

On 12/06/2023 at 09:04, Waterboy said:

That's the list of possible opponents complete.  

 

Italics = assumed to qualify from Q2

Bold = currently have a high enough coefficient to also be seeded in the following Playoff round - if we beat them, we would therefore be seeded in the Playoff

 

12 of the 27 teams have a high enough coefficient to also be seeded in the following Playoff round.  If we beat them in Q3, we would be seeded in the Playoff.  The teams at the top of the list would take some beating, so we would probably be looking for a team at the bottom of the bolded section.   That's all based on coefficient of course, there might be teams in that bolded section with a high coefficient but are actually not up to much right now - someone with better knowledge of the European leagues might be able to provide more insight

 

Club Brugge                   Belgium - 4th in league, Won Belgian Super Cup, CL round of 16

FC Basel                          Switzerland - 6th in league, qtr finals of Swiss Cup, Conference league Semi finals

AZ Alkmaar                    Netherlands - 4th in league, round of 16 in dutch cup, Conference league Semi finals

AA Gent                           Belgium - 5th in league, runner up Belgian Super Cup, Conference league qtrs

Dinamo Kyiv                   Ukraine - 4th in league, Europa group stage

Fenerbahce                   Turkey - 2nd in league, won turkish cup, europa league last 16

CFR Cluj                           Romania - 2nd in league, runners up in romanian supercup, conference league 1st knockout round

FC Midtjylland              Denmark - 7th in league, last 16 danish cup, Europa league 1st knockout round

Partizan Belgrade        Serbia - 4th in league, 1st round of cup, conference league knockout round

PAOK                                 Greece = 4th in league, runners up in cup, conference league 2nd qual round

Maccabi Tel-Aviv         Israel - 3rd in league, semi of cup, conference league playoff round

Viktoria Plzen               Czech Rep - 3rd in league, last 32 of cup, Champions league groups

Bodo/Glimt                   Norway

Lech Poznan                Poland

Rapid Wien                   Austria

Hapoel Beer-Sheva     Israel

Djurgardens                 Sweden

APOEL Nicosia             Cyprus

Besiktas                       Turkey

CSKA Sofia                   Bulgaria

FC Twente                    Netherlands

NK Rijeka                      Croatia

FC Arouca                     Portugal

Vitoria Guimaraes         Portugal

FCSB                             Romania

Legia Warsaw               Poland

Rosenborg                    Norway

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

On 12/06/2023 at 11:52, Waterboy said:

 

Timeline

 

20 June           Q1 draw

21 June            Q2 draw  

 

13 July             Q1 1st leg

20 July             Q1 2nd leg

 

24 July               Q3 draw

 

27 July             Q2 1st leg

3 August          Q2 2nd leg

 

7 August          Playoff draw

 

10 August         Q3 1st leg

17 August         Q3 2nd leg

 

24 August         Playoff 1st leg

31 August          Playoff 2nd leg

 

1 September    Group stage draw

thanks for the info 

[boag1874]

Top work @Waterboy doing the admin so we don't have to

[Dazo]

1 hour ago, Ribble said:

 

Good update on the league placing of our potential opponents. 👍

 

fc midtjylland Looking like the team to get ? 

 

[Ribble]

22 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Good update on the league placing of our potential opponents. 👍

 

fc midtjylland Looking like the team to get ? 

 

 

Potentially, the caveat being that they had a very young squad last season with only 2 centre backs and 2 or 3 Goalkeepers over the age of 30, so should improve as the young players gain experience and they've made a transfer profit of somewhere close to 45m Euro over the last 2 seasons so could well invest over the summer

[TheBigO]

1 hour ago, Ribble said:

 

Hm thanks for this, nice wee insight that.

 

It's funny.  I naively just think we should be as good as the team who is 6th in Switzerland or 7th in Denmark.  4th in Serbia, a few others too!

 

But fact is it's dosh isn't it.  These teams may have been bobbins by their standard last season but could go out and spend a few mill this summer while even if we recruit "well" it'll be like when it's Greek week in Lidl and you get the nice sausage and fancier feta.  Still ain't Waitrose.  In fact, these teams could maybe actually go and eat in Greece!

 

edit: I just checked.  Some of them are bloody IN Greece!

[ShedBoy]

Partizan Belgrade would be epic 👌🏻

I love pyro

[Waterboy]

Q1 draw at 2pm today if anyone is interested. Details of the draw process/seeding:

 

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaconferenceleague/draws/

 

Nothing that really concerns us yet but few Irish, Northern Irish and Welsh teams in there. Also Birkirkara, Zeljeznicar and RFS.

 

[leginten]

On 14/06/2023 at 16:47, TheBigO said:

Hm thanks for this, nice wee insight that.

 

It's funny.  I naively just think we should be as good as the team who is 6th in Switzerland or 7th in Denmark.  4th in Serbia, a few others too!

 

But fact is it's dosh isn't it.  These teams may have been bobbins by their standard last season but could go out and spend a few mill this summer while even if we recruit "well" it'll be like when it's Greek week in Lidl and you get the nice sausage and fancier feta.  Still ain't Waitrose.  In fact, these teams could maybe actually go and eat in Greece!

 

edit: I just checked.  Some of them are bloody IN Greece!

Greek week in Lidl is epic!

 

Greek club football isn’t great at all. You look at Olympiakos and AEK when they’re playing in Europe in front of a full house with pyro etc and you think the scene must be vibrant. But only AEK have higher average attendances than we do. Olympiakos are about the same. Panathinaikos and both Thessaloniki teams are way below us, and most teams in the lower half of the top league get average crowds probably below our lower Championship teams. Moribund.
 

Would love us to draw one of the Thessaloniki teams in Europe, tbh. One of my favourite cities.
 

 

[Locky]

Draw about to get underway for the Champions League 1st qualifying round. The Conference League 1st round draw is at 2pm.

 

The 2nd round draws take place tomorrow, where Hibs will find out who they play, and we can potentially start speculating about who we could get/want.

[Locky]

Bonus draw just done there to even up the UECL. 2 ties picked at random, where the losers will go straight to Q3 with us. They are Lincoln Red Imps or Qarabag, and Rakow or Flora Tallinn. Bound to be Lincoln and Flora, but no idea if they'd be seeded or not. Both teams have played in the groups of the Conference League, but not sure how relevant that is considering we did too and are still unseeded. Although these sides have been far more regular in Europe in recent years.

[Waterboy]

The 2023/24 UEFA Europa Conference League first qualifying round draw took place on Tuesday 20 June at the House of European Football in Nyon, Switzerland.

The two-legged first qualifying round ties will take place on 13 and 20 July.

First qualifying round draw

Sutjeska (MNE) vs Cosmos (SMR)
Balzan (MLT) vs Domžale (SVN)
Vaduz (LIE) vs Neman Grodno (BLR)
Ararat-Armenia (ARM) vs Egnatia (ALB)
Torpedo Kutaisi (GEO) vs Sarajevo (BIH)

Alashkert (ARM) vs Arsenal Tivat (MNE)
Željezničar (BIH) vs Dinamo Minsk (BLR)
La Fiorita (SMR) vs Zimbru Chisinau (MDA)
Maribor (SVN) vs Birkirkara (MLT)
Tirana (ALB) vs Dinamo Batumi (GEO)

Dundalk (IRL) vs Magpies (GIB)
Víkingur (FRO) vs Inter Escaldes (AND)
Progrès Niederkorn (LUX) vs Gjilani (KOS)
Linfield (NIR) vs Vllaznia (ALB)
KA (ISL) vs Connah's Quay Nomads (WAL)

Shkëndija (MKD) vs Haverfordwest (WAL)
Haka (FIN) vs Crusaders (NIR)
HB (FRO) vs Derry City (IRL)
Riga (LVA) vs Víkingur Reykjavík (ISL)
Žilina (SVK) vs Levadia Tallinn (EST)

Pyunik (ARM) vs Narva Trans (EST)
Panevezys (LTU) vs Milsami (MDA)
Tobol Kostanay (KAZ) vs Honka Espoo (FIN)
Dunajská Streda (SVK) vs Dila Gori (GEO)
Makedonija (MKD) vs RFS (LVA)

Dukagjini (KOS) vs Europa (GIB)
Penybont (WAL) vs FC Santa Coloma (AND)
Hegelmann Litauen (LTU) vs Shkupi (MKD)
Diddeleng (LUX) vs St Patrick's (IRL)
B36 (FRO) vs Paide (EST)
Gżira United (MLT) vs Glentoran (NIR)

[FionaHmfc]

Noticed with some earlier rounds of draws that they have pooled teams together and it seems to be done geographically. For example all UK teams in the same pot to be drawn to play each other. Eastern European countries like Greece, Romania, Israel all together in pools too. Hibs have potentially got Welsh, Irish and mostly Scandanavian teams in their pool. Whether it’s been done to restrict massive amounts of travel early doors I’m not sure. Anyone any idea if they’ll do this for our round? I’m assuming not but can’t see any information on it 

[jtkb]

 

[jtkb]

Come on the Hamms and there highly rated Spanish coach...

[Flimsy]

Hibs got either the Faroese or Andorran teams, about as easy as they could have hoped for. To answer the earlier question, I don't think our round will be regionalised, it wasn't last year.

[JimmyCant]

@Waterboy You stated in an earlier post that if we beat a seeded team in Q3 we assume their co-efficient for the play off.

 

But according to my reading of the schedules, the play off draw is made BEFORE Q3 ties are played so it wouldn’t matter to us (seeding wise)

 

Have I misread ?

Edited June 21, 2023 by JimmyCant

[Flimsy]

20 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

@Waterboy You stated in an earlier post that if we beat a seeded team in Q3 we assume their co-efficient for the play off.

 

But according to my reading of the schedules, the play off draw is made BEFORE Q3 ties are played so it wouldn’t matter to us (seeding wise)

 

Have I misread ?

Yes and the timing of the draw is precisely why that could happen. For example, let's say we drew Club Brugges in R3. They would also be seeded in the playoff round if they got through so the playoff round draw would be Club Brugges or Hearts vs unseeded team.

[JimmyCant]

20 minutes ago, Flimsy said:

Yes and the timing of the draw is precisely why that could happen. For example, let's say we drew Club Brugges in R3. They would also be seeded in the playoff round if they got through so the playoff round draw would be Club Brugges or Hearts vs unseeded team.

Thanks. Understood. But we’d also know in advance who that play off would be against (1 of 2 teams)one of which was also seeded in Q3

[FionaHmfc]

FC Twente and Brugge both drawn against tricky teams in round 2. FC Twente against Hammerby (head coach is Marti Cifuentes). If Hammerby get through it’s going to be written in the stars we end up being drawn against them and coming up against Cifuentes 😂 

[Daveandal]

As good as Hibs could have got. Wouldn't have fancied them against a Danish or Swedish team.

 

Infact was there not a rather embarrassing score against a Swedish side recently 😇

[Flimsy]

5 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

Thanks. Understood. But we’d also know in advance who that play off would be against (1 of 2 teams)one of which was also seeded in Q3

Basically yes, although there may be unseeded teams that aren't in Q3. For example, Aston Villa and Osasuna are currently projected to be unseeded in the playoff round. Which helps emphasise that no matter what there is no easy way to get through qualifying and how important the guaranteed group place is for us.

[tian447]

Hibernian will face Faroese side Vikingur (not to be confused with Icelandic side Vikingur) or Inter Club d'Escaldes of Andorra in the Europa Conference League second qualifying round.  

 

Vikingur and Inter Club d'Escaldes meet over 13 and 20 July.

 

The Andorran side are surprisingly the better team, and by some distance:

 

https://www.football-coefficient.eu/team/224-vikingur/

https://www.football-coefficient.eu/team/527-inter-club-d-escaldes/

[HMFC01]

8 minutes ago, tian447 said:

Hibernian will face Faroese side Vikingur (not to be confused with Icelandic side Vikingur) or Inter Club d'Escaldes of Andorra in the Europa Conference League second qualifying round.  

 

Vikingur and Inter Club d'Escaldes meet over 13 and 20 July.

 

The Andorran side are surprisingly the better team, and by some distance:

 

https://www.football-coefficient.eu/team/224-vikingur/

https://www.football-coefficient.eu/team/527-inter-club-d-escaldes/

 

[JimmyCant]

31 minutes ago, Flimsy said:

Basically yes, although there may be unseeded teams that aren't in Q3. For example, Aston Villa and Osasuna are currently projected to be unseeded in the playoff round. Which helps emphasise that no matter what there is no easy way to get through qualifying and how important the guaranteed group place is for us.

Yep. A massive shock if we get to the groups through this route

[RDSK]

I’m curious how much return flights to Andorra and Iceland are around the 4th August. I may just take a look… several times… with cookies on 

[gjcc]

Just now, RDSK said:

I’m curious how much return flights to Andorra and Iceland are around the 4th August. I may just take a look… several times… with cookies on 

Faroes 

[tian447]

1 minute ago, RDSK said:

I’m curious how much return flights to Andorra and Iceland are around the 4th August. I may just take a look… several times… with cookies on 

 

I'll join you. 

 

Get that demand nice and high. Don't forget to check Hotels.com for somewhere to stay.

 

Edited June 21, 2023 by tian447

[PapaShango]

I noticed Osasuna have been kicked out the conference league next season and Juventus potentially not playing in it either. Does any of this have any impact on us? Would be great if we ended up getting a bye because of it! 

[Niemi’s gloves]

20 minutes ago, PapaShango said:

I noticed Osasuna have been kicked out the conference league next season and Juventus potentially not playing in it either. Does any of this have any impact on us? Would be great if we ended up getting a bye because of it! 

Next to no chance. Osasuna will almost certainly be replaced by the next club in La Liga, Athletic Bilbao

[Mikey1874]

 

[Vin1874]

When’s the draw for the third qualifying round?

[Romulus]

2 minutes ago, Vin1874 said:

When’s the draw for the third qualifying round?

24th July I believe.