Unpopular Opinion(s)

[Morgan]

29 minutes ago, dumpson said:

It's completely acceptable to wear a football shirt regardless of your age*

 

* Never in a formal environment, full kit is completely unacceptable for adults.

 

[Japan Jambo]

5 hours ago, John Findlay said:

Here, Scotland the land of Milk and Honey😉

 

good plan - is the 25k I'm getting for sitting on my arse doing nothing tax free? Can I have a council house too?

[Dawnrazor]

3 minutes ago, Japan Jambo said:

 

good plan - is the 25k I'm getting for sitting on my arse doing nothing tax free? Can I have a council house too?

You just need to get pregnant, but nowadays you can identify as female so you're half way there.

[Japan Jambo]

4 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

You just need to get pregnant, but nowadays you can identify as female so you're half way there.

 

sorted - a couple more pies and I'll look well past the due date.

[Ked]

7 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

All our European places are wonderful.  It's just that some of them are wonderful in, er, different ways.   

They are mate.

We have little idea of the struggles of those outside our cosy club.

That's what I meant .

Wasn't a union flag moment.

 

[Konrad von Carstein]

@shaun.lawson was a decent, if a bit verbose, poster on here and got a lot of undeserved flack. 👀

[JudyJudyJudy]

10 hours ago, Jeffros Furios said:

From McLeod St the main stand and the Plaza look shit .

Leith walk is better than Gorgie/ Dalry Road .

Infact Gorgie is probably the biggest shithole in the City .

I agree re the plaza snd outer main stand. It does look like a 1970s comprehensive school 

[Tazio]

6 minutes ago, R9. said:

Jk Rowling has some fair points and views so does Andrew Tate. Majority of the people against their views are jumping on a bandwagon just like the protests against statues and pulling them down AND the masses who joined in BLM protests, these people were probably the same who joined the riots and looting in England a few years ago. 
 

These people preach that everyone has a right to have their own opinions and take to social media share this but Tate gets all his stuff taken down and banned is he not doing the same but the bandwagon doesn’t like someone’s views.

Tate is a ****ing reptile that spouts shite that wee boys lap up and try to ape. 

[Ulysses]

7 hours ago, Ked said:

They are mate.

We have little idea of the struggles of those outside our cosy club.

That's what I meant .

Wasn't a union flag moment.

 

 

We're lucky - and I don't make any distinction between the UK and the EU when I say that.

[Ulysses]

1 hour ago, R9. said:

Jk Rowling has some fair points and views so does Andrew Tate.

 

 

If you were to say that to either JK Rowling or Andrew Tate, there's a better than 50% chance you'd be limping home with your head shoved up your arse.   

[Herbert.]

5 hours ago, R9. said:

Jk Rowling has some fair points and views so does Andrew Tate. Majority of the people against their views are jumping on a bandwagon just like the protests against statues and pulling them down AND the masses who joined in BLM protests, these people were probably the same who joined the riots and looting in England a few years ago. 
 

These people preach that everyone has a right to have their own opinions and take to social media share this but Tate gets all his stuff taken down and banned is he not doing the same but the bandwagon doesn’t like someone’s views.

 

I like Tate. I used to think he was just a rich arsehole but when I watched a few videos in full and got the context of what he's saying he is right about alot of it. If it was a woman trying to empower young women they would be praised. 

[Herbert.]

31 minutes ago, jonesy said:

The guy is a walking example of how the internet and social media has made an arse of things.

 

Yeah, they have vilified him because he isn't woke.

[New Town Loafer]

Scotland, once famed for its Protestant work ethic, is one of the laziest countries in the developed world. 
 

The culture that has developed is one of entitlement where people demand handouts rather than seek work.

 

The drug and alcohol culture is also an absolute embarrassment. 

 

People can blame Thatcher and the Tories all they want but it is down to the individual. 
 

A once proud, successful people gone to absolute shit.

[been here before]

20 minutes ago, New Town Loafer said:

The culture that has developed is one of entitlement where people demand handouts rather than seek work.

 

 

20 minutes ago, New Town Loafer said:

The drug and alcohol culture is also an absolute embarrassment.

 

 

 

20 minutes ago, New Town Loafer said:

People can blame Thatcher and the Tories all they want but it is down to the individual. 

 

And what glorious examples we can look up to.

Edited April 27, 2023 by been here before

[Dick Dastardly]

27 minutes ago, New Town Loafer said:

Scotland, once famed for its Protestant work ethic, is one of the laziest countries in the developed world. 

What's your reasoning behind this statement? What's it based on? Genuine question 

[il Duce McTarkin]

20 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said:

 

What's your reasoning behind this statement? What's it based on? Genuine question 

 

To many Catholics imo.

[New Town Loafer]

32 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said:

What's your reasoning behind this statement? What's it based on? Genuine question 

Interaction with the public at various levels.

 

Have lived in 3 of the UK nations and Scotland the worst for it, but it’s widespread across the islands.

[Portable Badger]

34 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said:

What's your reasoning behind this statement? What's it based on? Genuine question 

Sure it was the preaching of John Knox et al who proffered Proddies were hard working and Caffliks not

[Francis Albert]

12 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

I agree re the plaza snd outer main stand. It does look like a 1970s comprehensive school 

I described the design as looking like a 70s office block. Much the same thing. Outraged most on here.

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Francis Albert said:

I described the design as looking like a 70s office block. Much the same thing. Outraged most on here.

It does . It’s not the greatest , im

an admirer of architecture and that isn’t great at all . 

[JudyJudyJudy]

19 hours ago, dumpson said:

It's completely acceptable to wear a football shirt regardless of your age*

 

* Never in a formal environment, full kit is completely unacceptable for adults.

 

Nope , I even stopped wearing mine at the gym. Wear it sometimes for derby matches 

[JudyJudyJudy]

12 hours ago, R9. said:

Jk Rowling has some fair points and views so does Andrew Tate. Majority of the people against their views are jumping on a bandwagon just like the protests against statues and pulling them down AND the masses who joined in BLM protests, these people were probably the same who joined the riots and looting in England a few years ago. 
 

These people preach that everyone has a right to have their own opinions and take to social media share this but Tate gets all his stuff taken down and banned is he not doing the same but the bandwagon doesn’t like someone’s views.

JK has never stated anything “ transphobic” her comments about women and girls rights to safety have been twisted by a certain group of people to vilify her and silence and 

“ cancel “ her. She isn’t silenced and never will be . 

[Unknown user]

3 hours ago, New Town Loafer said:

Interaction with the public at various levels.

 

Have lived in 3 of the UK nations and Scotland the worst for it, but it’s widespread across the islands.

 

That's surprising, people's living standards have been on the slide for over a decade, to the extent that working poverty isn't unusual now, and people don't feel like giving their employers their all?

 

🤯

[Taffin]

6 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

That's surprising, people's living standards have been on the slide for over a decade, to the extent that working poverty isn't unusual now, and people don't feel like giving their employers their all?

 

🤯

 

Chicken and the egg. Lazy workers in lower pay shock!

 

There are of course many criminally underpaid jobs with incredibly hard working workforces but anyone not giving their all are probably contributing to any working poverty they experience. I'm not sure someone who arrives at the conclusion that making themselves worse off is the solution to being poor is ever likely to be rolling in it.

 

[Unknown user]

9 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Chicken and the egg. Lazy workers in lower pay shock!

 

There are of course many criminally underpaid jobs with incredibly hard working workforces but anyone not giving their all are probably contributing to any working poverty they experience. I'm not sure someone who arrives at the conclusion that making themselves worse off is the solution to being poor is ever likely to be rolling in it.

 

 

That sounds straight out of the "they're poor because of some moral failing" Tory handbook mate

[Taffin]

3 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

That sounds straight out of the "they're poor because of some moral failing" Tory handbook mate

 

I don't think it does.

 

The majority of working poor don't deserve to be, many entire workforces are totally shafted. I've zero sympathy with anyone slacking though if they're also moaning about their situation. It's just increasing workload for their colleagues, which is just selfish shithousery and deserves to be holding them back in regards to progression and remuneration. I've also plenty time for those doing the minimum they're supposed to/agreed to do (ie not leaving outstanding tasks to others but not going 'above and beyond') but doing so contentedly. I'm probably more in the latter, I'm far from a 'progress and roll in the riches' guy but if you're going to do a job, have some respect for yourself and your colleagues and at least pull your weight and do that job properly. How can workers of the world unite when you're grafting and some cretin is sat about doing nowt?

[Unknown user]

8 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

I don't think it does.

 

The majority of working poor don't deserve to be, many entire workforces are totally shafted. I've zero sympathy with anyone slacking though if they're also moaning about their situation. It's just increasing workload for their colleagues, which is just selfish shithousery and deserves to be holding them back in regards to progression and remuneration. I've also plenty time for those doing the minimum they're supposed to/agreed to do (ie not leaving outstanding tasks to others but not going 'above and beyond') but doing so contentedly. I'm probably more in the latter, I'm far from a 'progress and roll in the riches' guy but if you're going to do a job, have some respect for yourself and your colleagues and at least pull your weight and do that job properly. How can workers of the world unite when you're grafting and some cretin is sat about doing nowt?

 

Fine with people doing the bare minimum and not moaning, but not the people doing the bare minimum and moaning?

 

Honestly, that's chapter 2

[New Town Loafer]

The Crusades were justified.

[Taffin]

3 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Fine with people doing the bare minimum and not moaning, but not the people doing the bare minimum and moaning?

 

Honestly, that's chapter 2

 

Pay minimum wage, get minimum back. The inverse is true though, do the minimum and expect minimum remuneration.

 

 

[BlueRiver]

If you're doing the bare minimum and doing nothing but complaining about your job - time to find a new one. 

 

[Unknown user]

9 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Pay minimum wage, get minimum back. The inverse is true though, do the minimum and expect minimum remuneration.

 

 

 

Minimum remuneration should be enough to live on, if it isn't, there's something wrong.

 

Everyone makes their own deal with their employer, both the official contract, and the internal one which dictates how far you're willing to go.

That's no one's business but you and your employer, if the work isn't getting done the employer isn't motivating staff or hiring enough staff.

 

Never look sideways, always look upwards.

Edited April 27, 2023 by Smithee

[BlueRiver]

2 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Minimum renumeration should be enough to live on, if it isn't, there's something wrong.

 

Everyone makes their own deal with their employer, both the official contract, and the internal one which dictates how far you're willing to go.

That's no one's business but you and your employer, if the work isn't getting done the employer isn't motivating staff or hiring enough staff.

 

Never look sideways, always look upwards.

 

I don't fully disagree with this but it seems quite short on personal responsibility. 

[Unknown user]

1 minute ago, BlueRiver said:

 

I don't fully disagree with this but it seems quite short on personal responsibility. 

 

That's up to the individual though, and no one should be looking for anyone's approval.

I've had loads of jobs but never been sacked, mainly because the path of least resistance is to be really good at your job in my experience. Less hassle, less grief, turn up early, get 'er done. Others don't see it that way, that's none of my business though, unless I'm managing them.

[BlueRiver]

1 minute ago, Smithee said:

 

That's up to the individual though, and no one should be looking for anyone's approval.

I've had loads of jobs but never been sacked, mainly because the path of least resistance is to be really good at your job in my experience. Less hassle, less grief, turn up early, get 'er done. Others don't see it that way, that's none of my business though, unless I'm managing them.

 

 If your colleague is continually leaving the rest of the team in the mud because they're not pulling their weight that's as much my business. 

 

Thankfully people like that don't tend to last long in my line of work. 

[Unknown user]

1 minute ago, BlueRiver said:

 

 If your colleague is continually leaving the rest of the team in the mud because they're not pulling their weight that's as much my business. 

 

Thankfully people like that don't tend to last long in my line of work. 

 

It's up to the employer to get more people, motivate the guy, or **** him off and examine their hiring process. Look upwards, not sideways.

Edited April 27, 2023 by Smithee

[BlueRiver]

2 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

It's up to the employer to get more people, motivate the guy, or **** him off and examine their hiring process. Look upwards, not sideways.

 

I can do both. I can call out the lazy prick whilst wondering what management are doing. 

[BlueRiver]

For clarification I work in quite small self-contained teams so this self-policing needs to happen to an extent otherwise the whole project suffers. We just can't sit about waiting on others to ride in and fix it all or acting like it isn't our problem because it very much is. 

[Unknown user]

Just now, BlueRiver said:

 

I can do both. I can call out the lazy prick whilst wondering what management are doing. 

 

He's nothing to do with you, maybe personal responsibility is minding your own. I mean, you'll get more money if you work harder, right? Maybe you could just get another job? 

Or why don't you swing the lead too? No reason to be a martyr!

[JudyJudyJudy]

20 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Pay minimum wage, get minimum back. The inverse is true though, do the minimum and expect minimum remuneration.

 

 

Exactly 

[BlueRiver]

1 minute ago, Smithee said:

 

He's nothing to do with you, maybe personal responsibility is minding your own. I mean, you'll get more money if you work harder, right? Maybe you could just get another job? 

Or why don't you swing the lead too? No reason to be a martyr!

 

Except he very much may be a blocker to me doing my job. He very much is my problem. 

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

17 minutes ago, BlueRiver said:

If you're doing the bare minimum and doing nothing but complaining about your job - time to find a new one. 

 

I’d agree with that . I’ve done that with a couple jobs . Didn’t like them so did something about it . Looked around , bingo new job . 

[BlueRiver]

2 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

I’d agree with that . I’ve done that with a couple jobs . Didn’t like them so did something about it . Looked around , bingo new job . 

 

Spot on. Better that than sitting lowering everyone's morale with incessant complaining and lack of motivation. 

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

I recall a friend of mine complaining that 

“ I was all right as I was better paid than him” by a significant margin . I concurred. But reminded him I had to study 3 years at Uni to get to this so called well paid job . It didn’t just happen . I made an effort . Meanwhile he still moaned . 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Just now, BlueRiver said:

 

Spot on. Better that than sitting lowering everyone's morale with incessant complaining and lack of motivation. 

 

 

I honestly struggle with people who moan incessantly about their job ! Do something about it then ffs . I also admire low paid workers who seem to really like their job despite the low pay . 

[BlueRiver]

Just now, JudyJudyJudy said:

I recall a friend of mine complaining that 

“ I was all right as I was better paid than him” by a significant margin . I concurred. But reminded him I had to study 3 years at Uni to get to this so called well paid job . It didn’t just happen . I made an effort . Meanwhile he still moaned . 

 

Aye your 3 years don't count to folk with that mindset though. They think they can sit doing **** all their entire life and command a salary on a par with those that put time in to get skills and qualifications or just overall put more effort in at work. 

 

Folk do the minimum often then wonder why they're getting the minimum back. Self-fulfilling prophecy. 

[Unknown user]

5 minutes ago, BlueRiver said:

 

Except he very much may be a blocker to me doing my job. He very much is my problem. 

 

 

 

I'm the short term yes, but ultimately it's up to the employer to identify it and do something about it.

[BlueRiver]

Just now, Smithee said:

 

I'm the short term yes, but ultimately it's up to the employer to identify it and do something about it.

 

I think this is very dependant on line of work and level. I'd agree if we're talking quite far down the chain or less specialised roles with large teams. 

 

Or if you and Taffin were having this conversation purely in the context of minimum wage employment then yeah I agree with you too. 

[Shooter McGavin]

5 hours ago, New Town Loafer said:

The culture that has developed is one of entitlement where people demand handouts rather than seek work.

 

The drug and alcohol culture is also an absolute embarrassment. 

On the first one, without the figures on hand, I’d say that the % of people who are fit and able to work, but voluntarily choose a life on £92-a-week universal credit money will be extremely small. People often make it out to be some glamorous lifestyle, I don’t think that could be any further from the truth. Although I do agree that with any system, there will be people out looking to exploit it.

 

I totally agree with your second point, and although there is wider social issues at play, there is a horrendous culture in this country, with young laddies especially, who have zero hobbies, zero interests, and instead spend their weekends chinged up, spunking all their wages on coke and then relying on their parents to bail them out with their dealer.

[Taffin]

26 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Minimum remuneration should be enough to live on, if it isn't, there's something wrong.

 

Agreed. 20k per year is enough to live on though, it's not good, or comfortable by any stretch but you can certainly live on it. 

 

26 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Everyone makes their own deal with their employer, both the official contract, and the internal one which dictates how far you're willing to go.

That's no one's business but you and your employer, if the work isn't getting done the employer isn't motivating staff or hiring enough staff.

 

Never look sideways, always look upwards.

 

 

Agree with the first part, but the bit in bold is nonsense though, If you're not doing your work, for the salary you agreed to as per your first point, then that's on you. The wider body of work is a totally different issue and agree, may well be due to insufficient staff. I don't expect anyone to do more than they've agreed to, but you should do what you've agreed on time and to the best of your ability (whether at work or not imo, it's personal pride). 

 

Work is like anything in life, if you put no effort in you can't expect to get much back. Does everyone get the rewards their effort deserves? No and that's unfair, especially when many get a lot reward than their effort demands. Someone not putting in the effort and getting nothing back isn't unfair though.

[Unknown user]

39 minutes ago, BlueRiver said:

 

Or if you and Taffin were having this conversation purely in the context of minimum wage employment then yeah I agree with you too. 

 

That's where we were pretty much 👍