Unknown user Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 24 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: Labour really need Scotland to win a UK election, they're in a difficult position there too! Do you keep saying no, if the get a majority in Holyrood, to a referendum and alienate the Nationalists, or say you'll allow a referendum and alienate the Unionists. Labour need England to win a UK election, full stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Just now, ǝǝɥʇᴉɯS said: Labour need England to win a UK election, full stop. The seats in Scotland would definitely help, they did before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 4 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: The seats in Scotland would definitely help, they did before. Scotland hasn't made the difference in an election in my memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 12 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: The seats in Scotland would definitely help, they did before. I don't think Scotland has mattered. The only time I can think is, when the SNP pulled their support for a Labour minority who reneged on a majority yes vote for devolution. Which led to the witch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 7 minutes ago, ri Alban said: I don't think Scotland has mattered. The only time I can think is, when the SNP pulled their support for a Labour minority who reneged on a majority yes vote for devolution. Which led to the witch. If this coming general election is going to be a close run affair, I'd have thought the 59 seats in Scotland could easily be the difference, if Labour had back the sests theyve lost to the SNP over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 4 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: If this coming general election is going to be a close run affair, I'd have thought the 59 seats in Scotland could easily be the difference, if Labour had back the sests theyve lost to the SNP over the years. You'd think, but it always comes down to England. Look at 2010, Scotland voted Labour and the lib Dems went with the tory. Scotland voted Labour from 1955 or something like that. Never swayed who got into power. But I can tell you this, if the whole of Scotland votes snp , it won't stop the Labour Party getting to power, the Labour Party will stop the la our party getting into power, if they don't give them a referendum. That's all they ask, a vote for independence. A true democracy should be able to vote whenever they like. Again, Labour only needs to win a majority in England to take power, as the SNP isn't the enemy they make them out to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 38 minutes ago, ri Alban said: You'd think, but it always comes down to England. Look at 2010, Scotland voted Labour and the lib Dems went with the tory. Scotland voted Labour from 1955 or something like that. Never swayed who got into power. But I can tell you this, if the whole of Scotland votes snp , it won't stop the Labour Party getting to power, the Labour Party will stop the la our party getting into power, if they don't give them a referendum. That's all they ask, a vote for independence. A true democracy should be able to vote whenever they like. Again, Labour only needs to win a majority in England to take power, as the SNP isn't the enemy they make them out to be. I'd bet if you asked the Labour Party if they'd like 45 sests in Scotland going into this next general election Starmer would bite your hand off! I do however take your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 hours ago, Gundermann said: Keir Starmer ffs... the UK's great white hope... Does another u-turn on warmongering without MPs consent. Sides with Tories. Again. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67973868 The media are gonna be smashing him in the run up to an election campaign . On the Laura K show they dragged up what he had said 4 years ago . They must have had their researchers on double pay to find that contradiction , however to be fair it’s probably not that easy to locate them as he’s full of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, ri Alban said: Labour in Scotland is 50/50 independence/Unionists. If Labour offered an independence referendum, they'd get the every seat in Scotland bar the odd lib and tory. If they had any sense they should cause they know that it’s unlikely it’ll be a yes but they will still have got their seats . A win / win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: I'd bet if you asked the Labour Party if they'd like 45 sests in Scotland going into this next general election Starmer would bite your hand off! I do however take your point. I'm sure they would. How much do Mps get these days. And fwiw, the snp mps are enjoying the money too much. So I would care if they got moved along. Well some of them. Edited January 14 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Just now, ri Alban said: I'm sure they would. How much do Mps get these days. And fwiw, the snp must are enjoying the money too much. £86,584. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, ǝǝɥʇᴉɯS said: Scotland hasn't made the difference in an election in my memory. Probably the elections in 1974 the last time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 4 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: £86,584. Plus expenses. Easy money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 First poll showing SNP virtually unscathed. Not too sure about that, but highlights the points above regards Scotland and Labour needing Scottish seats to get over the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 hours ago, ri Alban said: Oh and BTW, A wee bit of a heads up for the simpletons. A GE doesn't change Holyrood. Simpletons thinking if the SNP lose seats at wm, means we have a new Scottish government. Like bozos voting Brexit to stop immigration by Asians... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, Gundermann said: Like bozos voting Brexit to stop immigration by Asians... One of the most depressing things I seen on TV during that Ref. A human turnip saying exactly the above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 3 minutes ago, Boris said: First poll showing SNP virtually unscathed. Not too sure about that, but highlights the points above regards Scotland and Labour needing Scottish seats to get over the line. SNP meltdown = losing one seat... Too many chickens being counted by Labour before eggs are even laid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Humza is great for Labour plenty more time to feck up the snp vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Tattie wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddsyJR9 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 5 hours ago, ri Alban said: Plus expenses. Easy money. Thank Tony Blair. The left wing messiah. What a plonker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 32 minutes ago, doddsyJR9 said: Thank Tony Blair. The left wing messiah. What a plonker. Yeah silence Scotland. Back in our box etc etc. Who do we think we are up here eh. Not voting the way we should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddsyJR9 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, jack D and coke said: Yeah silence Scotland. Back in our box etc etc. Who do we think we are up here eh. Not voting the way we should. No one said silence Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, doddsyJR9 said: No one said silence Scotland. Blame Tony Blair for what then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddsyJR9 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Just now, jack D and coke said: Blame Tony Blair for what then? What would you praise blair for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 3 minutes ago, doddsyJR9 said: What would you praise blair for? Not very much, Ilucky he’s not lin jail tbh. What were you blaming him for? A parliament here? Edited January 14 by jack D and coke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 41 minutes ago, doddsyJR9 said: Thank Tony Blair. The left wing messiah. What a plonker. Left wing 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddsyJR9 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Just now, ǝǝɥʇᴉɯS said: Left wing 😆 Gave the snp, plaid cymru, sinn fein a platform etc, do one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Just now, doddsyJR9 said: Gave the snp, plaid cymru, sinn fein a platform etc, do one. He's not at all left wing though, you do one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 3 hours ago, Gundermann said: Tattie wins. You Irish, Gundie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Just now, doddsyJR9 said: Could you go a chicken supper bobby sands. Catchy song tbf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 6 minutes ago, doddsyJR9 said: What would you praise blair for? Bombing the Slavs, then bombing some brown folk. Maggie only managed the Argies, and they're mostly white with hot bursds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, doddsyJR9 said: Could you go a chicken supper bobby sands. Not left wing though, in the slightest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddsyJR9 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, jack D and coke said: Catchy song tbf. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 6 hours ago, doddsyJR9 said: Gave the snp, plaid cymru, sinn fein a platform etc, do one. Oh dear, a flutemooth has arrived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 12 hours ago, Gundermann said: Like bozos voting Brexit to stop immigration by Asians... Those Chinese folk of Hong Kong fleeing what war again? They stole our brexit. And going by the folk who say the brown folk fleeing war, (made usually by the US and its little pig the UK) have to stay at the first safe place. Why don't Ukrainians stay in Poland, Romania, Moldova, Hungary and Slovakia . Because we're not ***** and we should help people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 6 hours ago, jack D and coke said: Not very much, Ilucky he’s not lin jail tbh. What were you blaming him for? A parliament here? Sit down, shut up and do as you are told, Jock. He actually did quite a bit for working families, but Iraq fecked it all. The Global crash was that, a global crash. That was everyone's fault in a way. The Tories used it to steal the family silver, christ, even when the world was dying they couldn't help themselves, yet there's every chance they will be back in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 2 hours ago, ri Alban said: Sit down, shut up and do as you are told, Jock. He actually did quite a bit for working families, but Iraq fecked it all. The Global crash was that, a global crash. That was everyone's fault in a way. The Tories used it to steal the family silver, christ, even when the world was dying they couldn't help themselves, yet there's every chance they will be back in. Like most at the time I’d imagine I voted Labour then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 38 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: You Gov polling showing the Tories getting absolute skelping of epic proportions. It has a slightly different view of how SNP fair. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/01/14/general-election-poll-tories-worst-defeat-1997-labour/ It really just is how big Labours victory will be. Quite looking forward to new Lab government. I think it will coincide with a bit of a upturn in economy and some other stuff. It feels like like we’re about to move into upward cycles we see. Saying that fuvk knows the ways Wars and conflict keeping popping up 😟 You imagine they'll get a decade, at least in power, if recent polling (a big if I accept) turns out to be accurate. Yes, it does seem like it is Labour's to lose. Hope you are right about upward cycles and share your concern regards the global situation. If the SNP get a kicking too, then so be it. Being humbled from time to time is no bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 5 hours ago, ri Alban said: Oh dear, a flutemooth has arrived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 11 hours ago, doddsyJR9 said: Gave the snp, plaid cymru, sinn fein a platform etc, do one. Cheers. Was looking for something to credit the monster Blair for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, Lord BJ said: You Gov polling showing the Tories getting absolute skelping of epic proportions. It has a slightly different view of how SNP fair. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/01/14/general-election-poll-tories-worst-defeat-1997-labour/ It really just is how big Labours victory will be. Quite looking forward to new Lab government. I think it will coincide with a bit of a upturn in economy and some other stuff. It feels like like we’re about to move into upward cycles we see. Saying that fuvk knows the ways Wars and conflict keeping popping up 😟 You imagine they'll get a decade, at least in power, if recent polling (a big if I accept) turns out to be accurate. This lot sound like a proper old school bunch of swivel-eyed fascist nonces. Quote The poll was commissioned by a group of Conservative donors called the Conservative Britain Alliance and carried out by YouGov, working with Lord Frost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 4 hours ago, jack D and coke said: Like most at the time I’d imagine I voted Labour then. Me anaw. 2006ish I think I first voted SNP when I moved up to Inverness . I haven't changed since. I could at wm if Labour showed me something worth voting for. Holyrood SNP till I die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 20 hours ago, Dawnrazor said: £86,584. I wouldn't do it for that, tbh. If you wan't to do the job properly, and you really should, it isn't a job it's a lifestyle, and one in which your life is no longer really your own. **** that type of intrusion and constant earache and abuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 14 hours ago, doddsyJR9 said: Gave the snp, plaid cymru, sinn fein a platform etc, do one. Blair's on your side and is a Catholic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 9 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: Blair's on your side and is a Catholic! Could be wrong but don’t think Doddsy keen on the kaffliks😐 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 2 hours ago, jack D and coke said: Could be wrong but don’t think Doddsy keen on the kaffliks😐 I know, hence the comment JDC 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 3 hours ago, il Duce McTarkin said: I wouldn't do it for that, tbh. If you wan't to do the job properly, and you really should, it isn't a job it's a lifestyle, and one in which your life is no longer really your own. **** that type of intrusion and constant earache and abuse. You get that on here for **** all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said: You get that on here for **** all It gets to me, man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 4 hours ago, jack D and coke said: Could be wrong but don’t think Doddsy keen on the kaffliks😐 Doesn't make him a bad person, jack. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 9 hours ago, Boris said: Yes, it does seem like it is Labour's to lose. Hope you are right about upward cycles and share your concern regards the global situation. If the SNP get a kicking too, then so be it. Being humbled from time to time is no bad thing. The state of politics these days... Last time it was Bojo the clown was seen as the less bad than Comrade Corbyn, and this time it is the rancid Tories versus the "Ready to Govern" but don't want to advertise any policies in case it costs us Labour... Last time I voted SNP for the first time ever as the others were just so bad. This time the SNP are are bad as the others... WTF am I meant to do? Hopefully there is an independent standing in Edinburgh SW... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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