John Findlay Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 55 minutes ago, Spellczech said: The state of politics these days... Last time it was Bojo the clown was seen as the less bad than Comrade Corbyn, and this time it is the rancid Tories versus the "Ready to Govern" but don't want to advertise any policies in case it costs us Labour... Last time I voted SNP for the first time ever as the others were just so bad. This time the SNP are are bad as the others... WTF am I meant to do? Hopefully there is an independent standing in Edinburgh SW... I'm going to spoil my ballot paper by writing at the bottom in capital letters NONE OF THE ABOVE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, il Duce McTarkin said: Doesn't make him a bad person, jack. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 The sooner Scotland is back in the bossom of Rome, the better. Folk on either side are the biggest embarrassment to Scotland. The Dumbest in society. Nothing a trip to Blair Drummond wouldn't sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Just remembered Blair converted to Catholicism post PM. Doddsy went full staunch. Forgetting Boris is a Tim, tho, and Mogg and Gove and them all. Rome and India run the UK. THE PRODDIES HAVE SURRENDERED, JUST LIKE RANGERS. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 12 hours ago, Spellczech said: The state of politics these days... Last time it was Bojo the clown was seen as the less bad than Comrade Corbyn, and this time it is the rancid Tories versus the "Ready to Govern" but don't want to advertise any policies in case it costs us Labour... Last time I voted SNP for the first time ever as the others were just so bad. This time the SNP are are bad as the others... WTF am I meant to do? Hopefully there is an independent standing in Edinburgh SW... A bit strong. What have they done that's remotely in the same ball park, as the 'Others' ? Ferries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Amazing how the anti leftists like to call the emergency services. Out sweeping the streets? No, was that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 13 hours ago, Spellczech said: The state of politics these days... Last time it was Bojo the clown was seen as the less bad than Comrade Corbyn, and this time it is the rancid Tories versus the "Ready to Govern" but don't want to advertise any policies in case it costs us Labour... Last time I voted SNP for the first time ever as the others were just so bad. This time the SNP are are bad as the others... WTF am I meant to do? Hopefully there is an independent standing in Edinburgh SW... You are not alone as there will be tens of, if not hundreds of thousands of people in Scotland thinking exactly the same. Our option here in NE Fife has been close over the last decade with it swinging between SNP and Lib Dems. The area has a lot of tactical voting by Tories who vote Lib Dem to make sure that the SNP do not get in. Wendy Turnbull, Lib Dem should romp the next vote with the poor SNP showing currently but how can I vote for a party that supported the Tories damaging policies? Labour, or any other of the parties do not have the numbers in NE Fife so who do you vote for? This issue is real across so many wards. A huge dilemma for so many and my prediction is that any GE voting could end with lowest ever turn out with people just not voting. Unless things change dramatically in the next months that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 3 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said: You are not alone as there will be tens of, if not hundreds of thousands of people in Scotland thinking exactly the same. Our option here in NE Fife has been close over the last decade with it swinging between SNP and Lib Dems. The area has a lot of tactical voting by Tories who vote Lib Dem to make sure that the SNP do not get in. Wendy Turnbull, Lib Dem should romp the next vote with the poor SNP showing currently but how can I vote for a party that supported the Tories damaging austerity policies? Labour, or any other of the parties do not have the numbers in NE Fife so who do you vote for? This issue is real across so many wards. A huge dilemma for so many and my prediction is that any GE voting could end with lowest ever turn out with people just not voting. Unless things change dramatically in the next months that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, ri Alban said: A bit strong. What have they done that's remotely in the same ball park, as the 'Others' ? Ferries What have they done? Good question... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 The GE is about representation at WM. Holyrood is a different thing altogether. None of the SNP folk ar WM are in The Scottish Government, none. So who's going to fight your corner better. It has to be either Labour or The SNP. The other don't give a shit about the working class folk of Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 39 minutes ago, Spellczech said: What have they done? Good question... Quite a bit, if you want to have a look. But it's WM, not Holyrood that's on the judgement table. The SNP at WM ain't the SG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 And, another U-turn. Is protecting bankers' bonuses really a priority ffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Article on the radio this morning about Labour apparatchiks absolutely soiling themselves as Labour haemorrhage Muslim support over his stance on Gaza and his lack of appetite for a ceasefire. Over 1 million Muslim voters voted for Labour in 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 8 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: Article on the radio this morning about Labour apparatchiks absolutely soiling themselves as Labour haemorrhage Muslim support over his stance on Gaza and his lack of appetite for a ceasefire. Over 1 million Muslim voters voted for Labour in 2019 If Starmer changes his stance, which of England's shiterags will be the first to call him a terrorist sympathiser? If he doesn't, which of the UK's political parties would the 1 million Muslims prefer to see in office? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Ulysses said: If Starmer changes his stance, which of England's shiterags will be the first to call him a terrorist sympathiser? If he doesn't, which of the UK's political parties would the 1 million Muslims prefer to see in office? I'll go; 1 Mail 2 Express 3 Telegraph I suspect they just won't vote. Around half a million didn't last time. Keith needs all the votes he can get but perhaps his calculus is that media whoring is more important than vote scoring. Edited January 31 by The Mighty Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Labour should saying they put the energy cap back to before it was allowed to go mental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 9 hours ago, Ulysses said: If Starmer changes his stance, which of England's shiterags will be the first to call him a terrorist sympathiser? If he doesn't, which of the UK's political parties would the 1 million Muslims prefer to see in office? Lone candidates have damaged Labour before on similar - mind Gorgeous George in Bradford? Some independents and the Greens could make hay out of it. Wouldn't put it past the Lib Dems to wibble over on side if they thought they could capitalise on it. As to Starmer, he's got some brass neck to still sing the Red Flag - if he actually does now? - at the conferences. Those lines about traitors and cowards flinching... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Even Kay Burley is getting stuck into Labour. That question abour capping child benefits but not bankers' bonuses, should be fired at them any time they come round our doors wanting our votes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb102 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 As Mark Twain said "both politicians and diapers need to be changed often and for the same reason". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montgomery Brewster Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 On 15/01/2024 at 18:45, John Findlay said: I'm going to spoil my ballot paper by writing at the bottom in capital letters NONE OF THE ABOVE. My mantra and accounts for my name on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Back to the OP, and to answer the question, the SNP and the Green party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montgomery Brewster Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 On 31/01/2024 at 09:54, Gundermann said: And, another U-turn. Is protecting bankers' bonuses really a priority ffs? Blue and red tories - all the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, Montgomery Brewster said: My mantra and accounts for my name on here. Well you do have millions😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Sir Keir will stabilise the current shitshow .. decent guy who values the rule of law .. Can't wait until he's outside No10 giving us a wee wave . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallPaul Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 3 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said: Sir Keir will stabilise the current shitshow .. decent guy who values the rule of law .. Can't wait until he's outside No10 giving us a wee wave . Who's getting your vote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 22 minutes ago, TallPaul said: Who's getting your vote? GE... won't vote Scot Elec ...won't vote Council Elections ... Tory Local Tory doesn't hide and shows an interest in local issues . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 15 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said: GE... won't vote Scot Elec ...won't vote Council Elections ... Tory Local Tory doesn't hide and shows an interest in local issues . I thought you were ok as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 11 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: I thought you were ok as well. I'm not keen on any of them ... Tories and SNP are a disgrace , Labour MSP is a ***** A lot of the local councillors are weirdos with the exception of the Tory. Politicians put me in rage and its not good for my blood pressure ! Supporting Hearts doesn't help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 10 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said: I'm not keen on any of them ... Tories and SNP are a disgrace , Labour MSP is a ***** A lot of the local councillors are weirdos with the exception of the Tory. Politicians put me in rage and its not good for my blood pressure ! Supporting Hearts doesn't help 👍 I've never voted Libdem but my local councillor is very pro active and is worthy of a vote. Does more than the rest put together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TallPaul Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 To answer the original question to this thread I think we can now safely say yes there is a lot of things more shit than the labour party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 14 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: Well they aren't wrong that it's broken, let's hear the plan then... does it involves taking it dry from the unions by any chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 25 minutes ago, Japan Jambo said: Well they aren't wrong that it's broken, let's hear the plan then... does it involves taking it dry from the unions by any chance? The travelling public have taken it dry from greedy train operators and shareholders and the service and infrastructure has gone backwards for 40 years so anything has to be worth a try? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 9 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: The travelling public have taken it dry from greedy train operators and shareholders and the service and infrastructure has gone backwards for 40 years so anything has to be worth a try? As some one who has worked in the rail industry for the last Nineteen years, I will dispute the above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 9 minutes ago, John Findlay said: As some one who has worked in the rail industry for the last Nineteen years, I will dispute the above. You missed out on when Railtrack went bust and the government had to step in to form network rail. Railtrack took lots of cash and did feck all with the infrastructure before going pop in 2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 18 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: You missed out on when Railtrack went bust and the government had to step in to form network rail. Railtrack took lots of cash and did feck all with the infrastructure before going pop in 2002 You forget the railway was a busted flush when nationalised and the square root of **** all was being invested in both infrastructure and rolling stock. If you want to go round the houses on this, then let's go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, John Findlay said: You forget the railway was a busted flush when nationalised and the square root of **** all was being invested in both infrastructure and rolling stock. If you want to go round the houses on this, then let's go. John Major took the decision to break up the railways in 1993. It's widely accepted that it's not been a successful project. You're itching for an argument because you work on the railway. Magic. The bottom line is, and it'll not take you any time to research it, there's been a lot of companies come and gone in your 19 years. GNER for one or indeed your local train operator - National Express/First Group/Abellio/Scot Rail. Aye. Rip roaring success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 11 minutes ago, John Findlay said: You forget the railway was a busted flush when nationalised and the square root of **** all was being invested in both infrastructure and rolling stock. If you want to go round the houses on this, then let's go. 2 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: John Major took the decision to break up the railways in 1993. It's widely accepted that it's not been a successful project. You're itching for an argument because you work on the railway. Magic. The bottom line is, and it'll not take you any time to research it, there's been a lot of companies come and gone in your 19 years. GNER for one or indeed your local train operator - National Express/First Group/Abellio/Scot Rail. Aye. Rip roaring success. More than happy for railways to be re-nationalised. Let's take this opportunity to upgrade stock, lines themselves and also the working conditions of the rail workers themselves. No point in doing infrastructure work if employees still want the same conditions that were relevant 50 years ago but need modernising now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 14 minutes ago, John Findlay said: You forget the railway was a busted flush when nationalised and the square root of **** all was being invested in both infrastructure and rolling stock. If you want to go round the houses on this, then let's go. Just like the Navy. Good help them if they ever fight professional military. Not wee young amateurs like in the Malvinas. What a victory that was, like Man City beating Jossie's Giants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 13 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: John Major took the decision to break up the railways in 1993. It's widely accepted that it's not been a successful project. You're itching for an argument because you work on the railway. Magic. The bottom line is, and it'll not take you any time to research it, there's been a lot of companies come and gone in your 19 years. GNER for one or indeed your local train operator - National Express/First Group/Abellio/Scot Rail. Aye. Rip roaring success. I'm not itching for anything, renationalise the railway all you want. I guarantee the public won't be receive a better service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 7 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Just like the Navy. Good help them if they ever fight professional military. Not wee young amateurs like in the Malvinas. What a victory that was, like Man City beating Jossie's Giants. You fallen off a roof again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 13 minutes ago, John Findlay said: You fallen off a roof again? It's ok he landed on his head so no damage done 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 30 minutes ago, John Findlay said: I'm not itching for anything, renationalise the railway all you want. I guarantee the public won't be receive a better service. British Rail was operating at a profit when it was sold off to private pirates. The service has patently been crap since then. At least with nationalised industries, we own them and choose the managers. With private owners, we can't choose who runs it and the state ends up coughing up anyway and just to line some businessman's pockets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 16 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: Well at least they are copying the SNP instead of tories this time. Wonder when Starmer will U-turn though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 29 minutes ago, Gundermann said: British Rail was operating at a profit when it was sold off to private pirates. The service has patently been crap since then. At least with nationalised industries, we own them and choose the managers. With private owners, we can't choose who runs it and the state ends up coughing up anyway and just to line some businessman's pockets. I wondered when you would put your tuppenceworth in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micole Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Public transport should be run for the benefit of the "public" not shareholders IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Yet another U-turn. Even right-wing Labour supporters, like Tony Blair's PR chief are not happy. McTernan is no leftie green but he's spot on. All the Tories need to do is attack Labour and they change their policy to align with the Tories. No doubt a text or two from Murdoch to Starmer helps him along. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/feb/02/labour-28bn-green-investment-pledge-keir-starmer-rachel-reeves-uk-politics-live?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, Gundermann said: British Rail was operating at a profit when it was sold off to private pirates. The service has patently been crap since then. At least with nationalised industries, we own them and choose the managers. With private owners, we can't choose who runs it and the state ends up coughing up anyway and just to line some businessman's pockets. really, my recollection of British Rail was that it was a disastrous shit show, a bit like now but with the added frisson of fairly regular crashes? As for finances I thought with the railways it was a question of how big a subsidy was needed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Labour are embarrassing. Tory lite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 2 hours ago, micole said: Public transport should be run for the benefit of the "public" not shareholders IMO. Of course it should. We really need to get away from this out-dated notion that nationalisation would mean a reduction in services, reliability and value for money. Re-nationalise all the main utilities, get the right people in the top jobs, yes, paid handsomely, and remove the parasites. Public ownership would be a success story in this country…but with the right government. It’s not the one in power right now ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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