****The All In One LGBTQ+ & Related Issues Mega Thread****

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, cazzyy said:

 

Huh?  You pulled me up earlier for posting something off topic on another thread. Only fair that I do the same to you.

Oh I’ll be watching you 👀 

[henrysmithsgloves]

2 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Oh I’ll be watching you 👀 

😯😯😯

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, henrysmithsgloves said:

😯😯😯

 

 

[henrysmithsgloves]

3 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

 

She got hiccups?😆

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, henrysmithsgloves said:

She got hiccups?😆

Drinking too much 

[cazzyy]

14 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Oh I’ll be watching you 👀 

 

So is it that you don't think gay couples should use surrogates then? Otherwise why show a picture like you did and why in this thread?

[henrysmithsgloves]

1 minute ago, Jim_Duncan said:

That’s creepy. 

🤣🤣

 

[cazzyy]

3 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said:

That’s creepy. 

 

Gay couples bringing up children is creepy or surrogacy is creepy?

[JudyJudyJudy]

9 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said:

That’s creepy. 

Using another humans body like that is morally wrong. Its no better than a punter using a escort for their own gratification.  

[Ked]

1 minute ago, cazzyy said:

 

Gay couples bringing up children is creepy or surrogacy is creepy?

None are creepy.

But unusual .

I'm not a woman but if I were the thought of giving up my bairn...

To satisfy someone else's want.

Nor would I impregnate a lesbian if asked.

It's not wrong but how do you have a bairn and switch off?

Unfortunately for my bairns they'll never get away from me.

😄

Although there's been plenty times I wished I'd been born gay cos eh them.

😃

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Ked said:

I'm not a woman but if I were the thought of giving up my bairn...

To satisfy someone else's want

Yes its morally wrong and also the poor childm deprived of their biological parent too. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

and ofcourse the poor surrogates are usually from a socio economic class too.

 

The pregnancy will probably last longer than the couples relationship who are renting the womb.  

[Ked]

1 minute ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Using another humans body like that is morally wrong. Its no better than a punter using a escort for their own gratification.  

Morally wrong is a bit steep mate.

Women especially can be driven when it comes to wanting offspring.

The truth is we are all programmed to procreate.

Even you mate it's just you get turned on by men.

If only they could have children eh?

😄

Would you be the on leaving pups everywhere or would you be a single father with 100s to 100s?

😄

[cazzyy]

4 minutes ago, Ked said:

None are creepy.

But unusual .

I'm not a woman but if I were the thought of giving up my bairn...

To satisfy someone else's want.

Nor would I impregnate a lesbian if asked.

It's not wrong but how do you have a bairn and switch off?

Unfortunately for my bairns they'll never get away from me.

😄

Although there's been plenty times I wished I'd been born gay cos eh them.

😃

 

Thanks but it was the poster who said it was creepy that I was looking for an answer from.

[JudyJudyJudy]

Just now, Ked said:

Morally wrong is a bit steep mate.

Women especially can be driven when it comes to wanting offspring.

The truth is we are all programmed to procreate.

Even you mate it's just you get turned on by men.

If only they could have children eh?

😄

Would you be the on leaving pups everywhere or would you be a single father with 100s to 100s?

😄

Never had the slightest interest in having a child.  And if i had i would have ensured i was emotionally and economically ready to have one with a partner

[Ked]

Just now, cazzyy said:

 

Thanks but it was the poster who said it was creepy that I was looking for an answer from.

Sorry.

I didn't notice and didn't mean ti but in.

 

[cazzyy]

Probably deserving of its own thread seeing as it's got naff all to do with this one.

[Ked]

Just now, JudyJudyJudy said:

Never had the slightest interest in having a child.  And if i had i would have ensured i was emotionally and economically ready to have one with a partner

Loving the last sentence you cruel conservative git.

😀

 

Imagine men could have babies though?

The amount of Monday books would be off the scale.....

[Generic Username]

1 minute ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Never had the slightest interest in having a child.  And if i had i would have ensured i was emotionally and economically ready to have one with a partner

 

So it wouldn't be morally wrong if you decided to do it?

[JudyJudyJudy]

8 minutes ago, Generic Username said:

 

So it wouldn't be morally wrong if you decided to do it?

But I wouldn’t . 

[JudyJudyJudy]

9 minutes ago, Ked said:

Loving the last sentence you cruel conservative git.

😀

 

Imagine men could have babies though?

The amount of Monday books would be off the scale.....

Yes I’m kind of old fashioned . Nowt wrong with that I feel . Well it certainly would be off the scale if I was able to have a baby 😂

[cazzyy]

11 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Never had the slightest interest in having a child.  And if i had i would have ensured i was emotionally and economically ready to have one with a partner

 

So it's not that it's morally wrong (or legally) it's just that you haven't fancied it.

[cazzyy]

13 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said:

I’m not sure I’d say it is morally wrong. My morality would support folk, as long as they are of sound mind, being able to use their body however they see fit.
 

I do believe there’s certain things in life you have to accept. If you are homosexual, and in a relationship, you are unable to have children. Any footering about at the edges of that creates situations that are, IMO in the long-term, unhealthy for all involved. 

 

So it's not morally wrong and you would support it, but not for gay couples. Is that right?

[Generic Username]

2 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

But I wouldn’t . 

 

But you're able to, possibly without realising, articulate the potential factors that will come into play for many same sex couples who want to adopt/go through surrogacy - they're in long term relationships and economically stable, at the absolute minimum. 

 

So what is your moral objection in regards to? It can't be couples that fall into that category because you've literally just put those hypothetical criteria on yourself. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, Generic Username said:

 

But you're able to, possibly without realising, articulate the potential factors that will come into play for many same sex couples who want to adopt/go through surrogacy - they're in long term relationships and economically stable, at the absolute minimum. 

 

So what is your moral objection in regards to? It can't be couples that fall into that category because you've literally just put those hypothetical criteria on yourself. 

Using the physical body of another person . Also taking a child away from its biological parent . 

[cazzyy]

3 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Using the physical body of another person . Also taking a child away from its biological parent . 

 

So why this thread?  Three times you've dodged that question.

[Generic Username]

2 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Using the physical body of another person . Also taking a child away from its biological parent . 

 

So morally you object to all surrogacy and adoption? 

 

Or only certain people using surrogacy and adoption to raise a child?

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Generic Username said:

 

So morally you object to all surrogacy and adoption? 

 

Or only certain people using surrogacy and adoption to raise a child?

I object to surrogacy ? You ok with people paying another person to use their body for their own gain ? Adoption happens for a variety of reasons . It’s completely different from surrogacy . 

[Generic Username]

1 minute ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

I object to surrogacy ? You ok with people paying another person to use their body for their own gain ? Adoption happens for a variety of reasons . It’s completely different from surrogacy . 

 

"Also taking a child away from it's biological parents" - you do understand that's what adoption is I assume?

 

You appear to be looking at surrogacy through a very narrow lenses and applying it to all surrogacy - some women using it as a pretty gruelling process to generate cash is still surrogacy, much like some young woman riddled with whatever disease means she can't bare a child herself having to use a surrogate. 

 

Those both involve money as it's a medical procedure, not a case of someone just shooting their load into someone. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

“However, surrogacy also brings a wealth of more complex ethical issues around gender, labour, payment, exploitation and inequality” 

[been here before]

Another thread, another day but James getting his arse handed to him yet again.

 

Never, ever gets boring.

[cazzyy]

1 minute ago, Generic Username said:

 

"Also taking a child away from it's biological parents" - you do understand that's what adoption is I assume?

 

You appear to be looking at surrogacy through a very narrow lenses and applying it to all surrogacy - some women using it as a pretty gruelling process to generate cash is still surrogacy, much like some young woman riddled with whatever disease means she can't bare a child herself having to use a surrogate. 

 

Those both involve money as it's a medical procedure, not a case of someone just shooting their load into someone. 

 

Surrogacy also usually involves one biological parent I believe.

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Generic Username said:

Those both involve money as it's a medical procedure, not a case of someone just shooting their load into someone

It’s renting a body . 

[Generic Username]

3 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

It’s renting a body . 

 

Which you morally object to, so even this hypothetical baron woman using surrogacy would be morally reprehensible to you?

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 minutes ago, Generic Username said:

 

Which you morally object to, so even this hypothetical baron woman using surrogacy would be morally reprehensible to you?

Yep . 

[cazzyy]

1 minute ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Yep . 

 

Why this thread then if it's not because it was a gay couple?

[Generic Username]

3 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Yep . 

 

A very strange hill to die on but we got there in the end. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Generic Username said:

 

A very strange hill to die on but we got there in the end. 

It’s not against the law so that’s fine by me . I’m not screaming for the law to be changed . I accept it . Just not something I agree with for a variety of reasons which I duly noted . 

[Ked]

1 hour ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Yes I’m kind of old fashioned . Nowt wrong with that I feel . Well it certainly would be off the scale if I was able to have a baby 😂

Aye but are you the one on the Monday book or the shagger without a care for their own?

😄

 

Judy or Jude the barsteward

[Ked]

1 hour ago, Generic Username said:

 

Which you morally object to, so even this hypothetical baron woman using surrogacy would be morally reprehensible to you?

He objects.

Accept ffs.

[Ked]

59 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

It’s not against the law so that’s fine by me . I’m not screaming for the law to be changed . I accept it . Just not something I agree with for a variety of reasons which I duly noted . 

Look at thus @#£! acting all reasonable....😲

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Ked said:

Aye but are you the one on the Monday book or the shagger without a care for their own?

😄

 

Judy or Jude the barsteward

I can be both 😂😎👍

[JudyJudyJudy]

Just now, Ked said:

Look at thus @#£! acting all reasonable....😲

I can’t win 

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Ked said:

He objects.

Accept ffs.

Feel I’ve been in the dock at the old Bailey 😎

[cazzyy]

10 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

I can’t win 

 

You also can't answer why you posted about it on an LGBTQ+ thread. 

[Generic Username]

16 minutes ago, Ked said:

He objects.

Accept ffs.

 

You're confusing me trying to get a definitive, clear stance from James as me not accepting that's his position. 

 

He's absolutely entitled to believe what he believes but I don't think it's egregious to know exactly what that belief is before I go feeling some kind of way about it. 

 

Apologies that it took so many posts to get there, but I can't be held responsible for that. 

[Ked]

6 minutes ago, Generic Username said:

 

You're confusing me trying to get a definitive, clear stance from James as me not accepting that's his position. 

 

He's absolutely entitled to believe what he believes but I don't think it's egregious to know exactly what that belief is before I go feeling some kind of way about it. 

 

Apologies that it took so many posts to get there, but I can't be held responsible for that. 

Aye ye can.

Judy's position on most things is clear.

I mean how can anyone not know the position on every single thing that Judy  holds  ....in the universe...really 😄😄😄

 

@JudyJudyJudy not being wide but ye must admit

[cazzyy]

10 minutes ago, Ked said:

Aye ye can.

Judy's position on most things is clear.

I mean how can anyone not know the position on every single thing that Judy  holds  ....in the universe...really 😄😄😄

 

@JudyJudyJudy not being wide but ye must admit

 

Well I've asked a simple question 6 times and not had a reply so not everything is clear.

Plus it's had more about turns than an army regiment marching session so it's difficult to know what the views are at any given time.

Edited November 24, 2023 by cazzyy

[henrysmithsgloves]

2 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Using another humans body like that is morally wrong. Its no better than a punter using a escort for their own gratification.  

I'm a sucker for black escorts😎

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

13 minutes ago, Ked said:

Aye ye can.

Judy's position on most things is clear.

I mean how can anyone not know the position on every single thing that Judy  holds  ....in the universe...really 😄😄😄

 

@JudyJudyJudy not being wide but ye must admit

Oh he was just trying to be wide. I said i was against it so it meant i was against it . Whether it be gays or straight renting a womb but he was trying to trip me up.  LIke a lawyer might , hence the old bailey analogy.  It was really very simple. As for that other person constantly trying to get my attention he knows very well why I WILL never answer him.