****The All In One LGBTQ+ & Related Issues Mega Thread****

[doctor jambo]

7 minutes ago, cazzyy said:

 

 

Aye ok then. 👍

 

 

It means different things in different cultures.

And the above proves nothing .

History is being re written to include many people under the trans banner

many cultures would rather their “sissy boys” were not gay, but rather transitioned and so were “straight”

we are unique in that we have assumed that sex is flexible and malleable.

That women heroins who wore male guise to overcome oppression are now no longer feminist icons, but rather were men all along is , well, a bit insulting to women.

Joan of Arc for one .

Promoting separation of biology from thoughts based on a mental illness is an interesting leap into the dark.

I have read a lot on this and the pro trans writings / podcasts are striking in their , well, narcissism.

There is a baffling lack of any real evidence.

Self declaration of anything - race/species/culture/ sex is fraught with issues.

Would you gastric band an anorexic teenager and insist everyone called her fat?

[cazzyy]

6 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

It means different things in different cultures.

And the above proves nothing .

 

 

You said that it was unique to Western culture, nowhere else had it"

 

If pointing out that it is a thing pretty much everywhere on the planet proves nothing then we are done here, there is no point discussing things further.

 

Don't worry though, you'll still have Judy to fawn over your posts.

[cazzyy]

11 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

Would you gastric band an anorexic teenager and insist everyone called her fat?

 

Jings, just read the bit above.

 

I've no more words.

 

[doctor jambo]

13 minutes ago, cazzyy said:

 

Jings, just read the bit above.

 

I've no more words.

 

The similarities between the two are quite striking.

And I stand behind the difference between western self identifying trans genderism and the rest of the world .

It has turned from a real minority issue of severely dysmorphic individuals having surgery in adulthood into something far more sinister .

Something is going awry with our youth and nobody is looking into it

[doctor jambo]

26 minutes ago, cazzyy said:

 

Jings, just read the bit above.

 

I've no more words.

 

It’s probably better you don’t .

anyhow, anyone who advocates for children with a mental disorder to undergo life changing experimental treatments that have real and serious consequences when they have no concept of the consequences is, frankly , facilitating this current horror show.

[cazzyy]

5 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

It’s probably better you don’t .

anyhow, anyone who advocates for children with a mental disorder to undergo life changing experimental treatments that have real and serious consequences when they have no concept of the consequences is, frankly , facilitating this current horror show.

 

You won't have to go too far back to see that I disagree with allowing surgery or experimental treatments so if that was aimed at me you missed.

[JudyJudyJudy]

52 minutes ago, cazzyy said:

 

You said that it was unique to Western culture, nowhere else had it"

 

If pointing out that it is a thing pretty much everywhere on the planet proves nothing then we are done here, there is no point discussing things further.

 

Don't worry though, you'll still have Judy to fawn over your posts.

Thought there was “ too much hatred “ on this thread and you were leaving ? Too much challenging more like , which you and TRA don’t like , in fact campaign to silence . 

[JudyJudyJudy]

53 minutes ago, cazzyy said:

 

Jings, just read the bit above.

 

I've no more words.

 

Please 🙏 

[JudyJudyJudy]

17 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

It’s probably better you don’t .

anyhow, anyone who advocates for children with a mental disorder to undergo life changing experimental treatments that have real and serious consequences when they have no concept of the consequences is, frankly , facilitating this current horror show.

Enablers 

[doctor jambo]

13 minutes ago, cazzyy said:

 

You won't have to go too far back to see that I disagree with allowing surgery or experimental treatments so if that was aimed at me you missed.

So what is your stance?

It sounds identical to mine.

Adults do what they want to themselves ,

kids left alone to “find themselves “ through puberty and adolescence without brain washing and propaganda.

 

stop the state indoctrination of such things 

I would also advocate closure of children’s GIDS.

And mermaids too.

Totally odd that one.

Body positivity and learn to love yourself for who and what you are .

 

[cazzyy]

4 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

So what is your stance?

It sounds identical to mine.

Adults do what they want to themselves ,

kids left alone to “find themselves “ through puberty and adolescence without brain washing and propaganda.

 

stop the state indoctrination of such things 

I would also advocate closure of children’s GIDS.

And mermaids too.

Totally odd that one.

Body positivity and learn to love yourself for who and what you are .

 

 

No identical to yours at all, I wouldn't leave kids alone to "find themselves" they've already found themselves. Your stance is damaging to them imo.

 

Did you bother reading the article posted by @ToadKiller Dog?

 

Pretty interesting stuff including "The truth is that data from more than a dozen studies of more than 30,000 transgender and gender-diverse young people consistently show that access to gender-affirming care is associated with better mental health outcomes—and that lack of access to such care is associated with higher rates of suicidality, depression and self-harming behavior."

 

[cazzyy]

15 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Please 🙏 

 

Pretty snide comment, no need for it.

[doctor jambo]

3 minutes ago, cazzyy said:

 

No identical to yours at all, I wouldn't leave kids alone to "find themselves" they've already found themselves. Your stance is damaging to them imo.

 

Did you bother reading the article posted by @ToadKiller Dog?

 

Pretty interesting stuff including "The truth is that data from more than a dozen studies of more than 30,000 transgender and gender-diverse young people consistently show that access to gender-affirming care is associated with better mental health outcomes—and that lack of access to such care is associated with higher rates of suicidality, depression and self-harming behavior."

 

Without seeing the studies and the veracity , confounding factors , demographic etc then I’d not comment.

What I will say is that NICE reviewed all of the research and graded it all as the lowest possible quality .

ie- it was junk.

And even a lot of junk is still junk.

Is there a reason why Tavistock is being closed over safeguarding issues and sandyford under investigation for the same thing?

Why are their own staff worried about it ?

Brisk discourse is a good thing.

So why is it not permitted?

 

[kevin_hmfc]

Well done the Torys for speaking out about this.  If it's upset Sam Smith then they must be doing something right. 

 

 

[doctor jambo]

8 minutes ago, kevin_hmfc said:

Well done the Torys for speaking out about this.  If it's upset Sam Smith then they must be doing something right. 

 

 

Not really , they are doing it to pander to bigots.

they are no friend to anyone

[JudyJudyJudy]

34 minutes ago, cazzyy said:

 

Pretty snide comment, no need for it.

Pretty snide saying this thread is “ full of hatred” touché 

[kevin_hmfc]

36 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

Not really , they are doing it to pander to bigots.

they are no friend to anyone

They are doing it cause it's common sense and the LGBT movement is out of control in terms of sillyness 

[BlueRiver]

59 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

Without seeing the studies and the veracity , confounding factors , demographic etc then I’d not comment.

What I will say is that NICE reviewed all of the research and graded it all as the lowest possible quality .

ie- it was junk.

And even a lot of junk is still junk.

Is there a reason why Tavistock is being closed over safeguarding issues and sandyford under investigation for the same thing?

Why are their own staff worried about it ?

Brisk discourse is a good thing.

So why is it not permitted?

 

 

Just wondering is this the stuff you're referring to re. NICE review of the evidence? 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56601386

 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

1 hour ago, doctor jambo said:

Not really , they are doing it to pander to bigots.

they are no friend to anyone

I can think of one person who thinks the opportunist vermin support his views. 

[doctor jambo]

1 hour ago, BlueRiver said:

 

Just wondering is this the stuff you're referring to re. NICE review of the evidence? 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56601386

 

 

Indeed it is.

I rather think though that the evidence base will become a self fulfilling prophecy as research will only be done to prove efficacy , as academics either hide for the sake of their careers, or cannot attract funding .

On another point.

Whist the NHS etc uses the terms

birthing person

person who mensruates

milk producer 

in their literature -

why do they have no terms for men?

literally none

we preserve our identity and are not dehumanised to mere body function .

TERF

- again no male equivalent

Hard to take on the men, isn’t it?

[cazzyy]

2 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Pretty snide saying this thread is “ full of hatred” touché 

 

That's not snide, that's not even an opinion, it's fact. Most of it comes from you.

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, cazzyy said:

 

That's not snide, that's not even an opinion, it's fact. Most of it comes from you.

Prove it. Evidence it. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, BlueRiver said:

 

Just wondering is this the stuff you're referring to re. NICE review of the evidence? 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56601386

 

 

Yes pretty damning stuff.  

[cazzyy]

5 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Prove it. Evidence it. 

 

What is it you say in situations like this? 

 

Oh yes, it's a football fans forum not the Oxford debating society.

 

It's there though.

[JudyJudyJudy]

Just now, cazzyy said:

 

What is it you say in situations like this? 

 

Oh yes, it's a football fans forum not the Oxford debating society.

 

It's there though.

Prove it. 

[cazzyy]

7 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Prove it. 

 

Triggered, call me thin skinned too.

[doctor jambo]

1 minute ago, cazzyy said:

 

What is it you say in situations like this? 

 

Oh yes, it's a football fans forum not the Oxford debating society.

 

It's there though.

It isn’t though.

There is plenty discussion about various things, much of it you disagree with.

However, as with much that surrounds this topic, one side ends up shouting bigot to end questioning.

There is no bigotry here.

There is factual presentation and debate.

Only one side is throwing insults.

And if that is all you have, that’s not really much.

We fellow “gamete shooters” should really be standing up for the “birthing people “ in our lives .

We do have kids after all, and it would take more than a lipstick and a pout to turn my son into my daughter.

How do they teach biology on schools now without offending people.“The female mammal gives birth and produces milk, and so does the male, and does the other sex that won’t name itself , and neither gives birth , and all three do, then neither and both breast feed

[JudyJudyJudy]

5 minutes ago, cazzyy said:

 

Triggered, call me thin skinned too.

I'm not. Youre making a pretty serious accusation and I am asking for proof. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

5 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

It isn’t though.

There is plenty discussion about various things, much of it you disagree with.

However, as with much that surrounds this topic, one side ends up shouting bigot to end questioning.

There is no bigotry here.

There is factual presentation and debate.

Only one side is throwing insults.

And if that is all you have, that’s not really much.

We fellow “gamete shooters” should really be standing up for the “birthing people “ in our lives .

We do have kids after all, and it would take more than a lipstick and a pout to turn my son into my daughter.

How do they teach biology on schools now without offending people.“The female mammal gives birth and produces milk, and so does the male, and does the other sex that won’t name itself , and neither gives birth , and all three do, then neither and both breast feed

👍

[cazzyy]

4 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

I'm not. Youre making a pretty serious accusation and I am asking for proof. 

 

Bit touchy, you really need to chill a bit. This isn't a court of law, I don't need proof. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, cazzyy said:

 

Bit touchy, you really need to chill a bit. This isn't a court of law, I don't need proof. 

I'm not at all touchy I am just asking you to back up you're statement . If you cant you really should refrain from saying it. 

 

[cazzyy]

3 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

I'm not at all touchy I am just asking you to back up you're statement . If you cant you really should refrain from saying it. 

 

 

Sue me Mr Touchy.

[JudyJudyJudy]

5 minutes ago, cazzyy said:

 

Sue me Mr Touchy.

How dare you assume my pronoun. I am so offended. 

 

Hurting.....................

 

 

 

[doctor jambo]

28 minutes ago, cazzyy said:

 

Bit touchy, you really need to chill a bit. This isn't a court of law, I don't need proof. 

There is the trans lobby in a nutshell

[cazzyy]

15 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

How dare you assume my pronoun. I am so offended. 

 

Hurting.....................

 

 

Hurting and touchy, oh dear. 😄

[Lord Montpelier]

3 hours ago, doctor jambo said:

So what is your stance?

It sounds identical to mine.

Adults do what they want to themselves ,

kids left alone to “find themselves “ through puberty and adolescence without brain washing and propaganda.

 

stop the state indoctrination of such things 

I would also advocate closure of children’s GIDS.

And mermaids too.

Totally odd that one.

Body positivity and learn to love yourself for who and what you are .

 

Can't say fairer than that in my view

[cazzyy]

Just now, doctor jambo said:

There is the trans lobby in a nutshell

 

It's also this forum in a nutshell.

People are constantly being corrected on it.

There was even someone on another thread stating with some kind of authority that Northern Ireland was British.

[kevin_hmfc]

2 minutes ago, cazzyy said:

 

It's also this forum in a nutshell.

People are constantly being corrected on it.

There was even someone on another thread stating with some kind of authority that Northern Ireland was British.

😅😅😅

[cazzyy]

Just now, Lord Montpelier said:

Can't say fairer than that in my view

 

It was fair but you can't say that kids should learn to love themselves for who and what they are, but you won't support them if they want to live as the opposite gender to that they were born with.

That support should stop short of surgery or medical treatment though.

[JudyJudyJudy]

8 minutes ago, cazzyy said:

 

Hurting and touchy, oh dear. 😄

I’m not at all . Come on prove there is hatred on this thread . Problem is you can’t . 

[cazzyy]

12 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

I’m not at all . Come on prove there is hatred on this thread . Problem is you can’t . 

 

No the problem (for you) is that I won't.

 

Stop being so touchy.

[John Findlay]

26 minutes ago, cazzyy said:

 

It's also this forum in a nutshell.

People are constantly being corrected on it.

There was even someone on another thread stating with some kind of authority that Northern Ireland was British.

If you are born in Northern Ireland then you are entitled to a British Passport.

There are many people from Northern Ireland whom serve in the British Forces.

Then again there are many from the Republic of Ireland who serve in the British Armed Forces too.

[JudyJudyJudy]

11 minutes ago, cazzyy said:

 

No the problem (for you) is that I won't.

 

Stop being so touchy.

Cause you cant.  I am beginning to get a slight case of de ja vu regarding you so please dont be offended that I dont respond to you again. 

[i wish jj was my dad]

12 minutes ago, cazzyy said:

 

No the problem (for you) is that I won't.

 

Stop being so touchy.

If you scroll back far enough you will find one guy with an unfortunate history who was triggered enough to threaten the paedos . It wasn't difficult to see what and who was triggering him.  I'd say that some of the comments about the former FM and Green MSPs for their support of the GRA was pretty hateful and I've been described as a rape enabler for challenging some of the comments.  Pretty hateful I would say.  

[cazzyy]

13 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

If you are born in Northern Ireland then you are entitled to a British Passport.

There are many people from Northern Ireland whom serve in the British Forces.

Then again there are many from the Republic of Ireland who serve in the British Armed Forces too.

 

There's people from all over the world served in the British armed forces, they're not British.

 

ps. There is no such thing as a British passport it's the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Edited October 5, 2023 by cazzyy

[cazzyy]

12 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Cause you cant.  I am beginning to get a slight case of de ja vu regarding you so please dont be offended that I dont respond to you again. 

 

I'd be delighted and it will be good for your blood pressure. 👍

[cazzyy]

10 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

If you scroll back far enough you will find one guy with an unfortunate history who was triggered enough to threaten the paedos . It wasn't difficult to see what and who was triggering him.  I'd say that some of the comments about the former FM and Green MSPs for their support of the GRA was pretty hateful and I've been described as a rape enabler for challenging some of the comments.  Pretty hateful I would say.  

 

Exactly, there's no shortage of it.

[JudyJudyJudy]

Just now, cazzyy said:

 

I'd be delighted and it will be good for your blood pressure. 👍

Good for it. My blood pressure is fine and shall remain fine. 

[cazzyy]

Just now, JudyJudyJudy said:

Good for it. My blood pressure is fine and shall remain fine. 

 

Surprising considering how touchy you get but that's good. 👍

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, cazzyy said:

 

Exactly, there's no shortage of it.

Oh dear what a comment from poor wee JJ.  My god .

 

You and him need to have a good look through this thread and alert me to the " hateful " comments .

 

Better still report them.  As for me enabling another poster to almost set about people...dearie me.

 

Oh yes JJ and others were very much in favour of male rapists entering female only spaces such as prisons.  He agreed with the GRA act and that is  what it enabled.  He has a short memory.