If carlsberg did rivals... Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 18 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Sorry dear , you can’t be part of “ queers for Palestine “ and come up with guff like this . You can’t square the circle . Your enemies enemy is your friend, I think the saying goes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68721310 So the actor in the story above is transgender. But he/she doesn't want to only take transgender roles. Which would mean taking roles that are portraying people who are not transgender. But non-transgender people are not allowed to take roles that are transgender. For example, the furore created here (by a transgender actor who was playing a non-transgender role, back in 2020): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51817383 What a surprise 😮 in other words he could only play a minuscule amount of roles . Edited April 3 by JudyJudyJudy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bret the Hitman Hearts Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 25/03/2024 at 14:45, BlueRiver said: "There were 143 responses to the study overall. This means that while those uncomfortable on transgender participation in elite women's categories outnumbered those comfortable by 10 to one from the respondents, the results cannot be taken as representative of how elite British sportswomen feel across the board." I like how they stick this in there as if the 10/1 ratio would be seriously overturned if only more has responded. The BBC is just propaganda these days. It's actually quite sinister. And then they have the cheek to do things like "BBC Verify" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 The Groningen study followed >2700 teens and the findings have shown that out of all the kids who were unhappy with their gender, with no treatment 88% of girls and 98% of boys found it resolved if puberty was left to run its course. So transgenderism in children if left untreated almost entirely disappears . So it would appear it’s not genetic nor innate. The implication is , it’s a phase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Elliott Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Apologies if already posted but saw this today and it made me laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 15 hours ago, doctor jambo said: The Groningen study followed >2700 teens and the findings have shown that out of all the kids who were unhappy with their gender, with no treatment 88% of girls and 98% of boys found it resolved if puberty was left to run its course. So transgenderism in children if left untreated almost entirely disappears . So it would appear it’s not genetic nor innate. The implication is , it’s a phase 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) Dear lord “ Terf” ! Edited April 4 by JudyJudyJudy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Elliott Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 3 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: “ Terf “ is a recognised hate descriptor for a person with gender critical views. Recognised by who? The dictionary only describes it as a derogatory term for radical feminists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Very intelligent debating by some eh? Calling those the derogatory term “ Terf” says a lot about him . It’s probably a hate crime too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Just now, Jim_Duncan said: Ha! My mate Alex showed me the very same cartoon. You must follow the same folk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Elliott Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 5 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said: Ha! My mate Alex showed me the very same cartoon. You must follow the same folk. It appeared on one of my group chats this morning. Must be doing the rounds 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Elliott Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 10 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Very intelligent debating by some eh? Calling those the derogatory term “ Terf” says a lot about him . It’s probably a hate crime too You’ve said it is “widely recognised as a hate term” and now it is “probably a hate term.” Which is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 9 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said: Ha! My mate Alex showed me the very same cartoon. You must follow the same folk. Alex ? Sounds familiar . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Elliott Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 3 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said: What is a TERF, BTW? OED definition: ” 2008– A feminist whose advocacy of women’s rights excludes (or is thought to exclude) the rights of transgender women. Also more generally: a person whose views on gender identity are (or are considered) hostile to transgender people, or who opposes social and political policies designed to be inclusive of transgender people. Originally used within the radical feminist movement. The author of quot. 2008 (a trans-inclusive feminist) has stated that the term was intended as a neutral description; however, except when it is a self-description, TERF is now often used with derogatory or dismissive intent.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 2 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said: Yeah, he's a total INCEL, that lad. I think you might know him. Oh him . Not heard from him in a long time . Wondered what happened to him ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Elliott Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 2 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said: Cheers. All seems a bit silly. Live and let live I say 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Far too much hate about . Time for a bit of Judy and love . Well it is the LGBt and she’s patron saint of us , god bless you dear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 32 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said: Yeah, he's a total INCEL, that lad. I think you might know him. Hold on I do now . Think he’s like Dr Who and can re generate . Incredible really . 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 41 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said: What is a TERF, BTW? A derogatory and insulting term for people with gender critical beliefs ? It’s a protective characteristic under the equality act 2010 and in various human rights legislations . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 https://x.com/womensrightsnet/status/1777597704584970616?s=46&t=Uyg6zS_aUfEwlXY6vOoxzQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 On 04/04/2024 at 16:22, JudyJudyJudy said: A derogatory and insulting term for people with gender critical beliefs ? It’s a protective characteristic under the equality act 2010 and in various human rights legislations . Here's some more protected characteristics under the equality act 2010. Types of discrimination ('protected characteristics') It is against the law to discriminate against anyone because of: age gender reassignment being married or in a civil partnership being pregnant or on maternity leave disability race including colour, nationality, ethnic or national origin religion or belief sex sexual orientation Pity you just pick and choose the ones you like and ignore the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 (edited) Says it all . A real hero of a woman who fought against lgb Phobia and was out and proud from her early 20s when it wasn’t “ fashionable “ now that’s stunning and brave . She’s now being ridiculed for not looking like a “ real “ woman . Thing is there is no “ real “ woman look but they all have one thing in common . They are all adult human females . Keep up the good fight Martina , you absolute legend . Edited April 9 by JudyJudyJudy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 6 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Says it all . A real hero of a woman who fought against lgb Phobia and was out and proud from her early 20s when it wasn’t “ fashionable “ now that’s stunning and brave . She’s now being ridiculed for not looking like a “ real “ woman . Thing is there is no “ real “ woman look but they all have one thing in common . They are all adult human females . Keep up the good fight Martina , you absolute legend . Mildred Fierce reeks of jealousy, where Martina Navratilova is concerned IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Just now, John Findlay said: Mildred Fierce reeks of jealousy, where Martina Navratilova is concerned IMHO. More than that , it’s hatred too . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 About time too . https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/09/cass-review-nhs-children-gender-dysphoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 Great news for children ( in England and Wales’s ) Scotland will catch up https://t.co/tUY0drHeDA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 https://x.com/jnhanvey/status/1777862161739423990?s=46&t=Uyg6zS_aUfEwlXY6vOoxzQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 1 hour ago, Jim_Duncan said: As much as I agree with calling out this gender nonsense, that’s a pretty crass tweet, IMO. This isn’t about winning points on social media and ‘sides of history’. As a public representative, this chap should be focused on better outcomes, not willy waving. It’s not a win. it won’t change minds on the gender crowd. they are too invested in it. if you had allowed your daughter to cut her breasts off, or your son to sterilise himself - are you changing your mind? no. pharma will continue to fund one sided research that shows them to be right and protect them from litigation, so eventually it will start again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 15 hours ago, cazzyy said: Here's some more protected characteristics under the equality act 2010. Types of discrimination ('protected characteristics') It is against the law to discriminate against anyone because of: age gender reassignment being married or in a civil partnership being pregnant or on maternity leave disability race including colour, nationality, ethnic or national origin religion or belief sex sexual orientation Pity you just pick and choose the ones you like and ignore the others. These feel conflicting with themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDK2020 Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 15 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Says it all . A real hero of a woman who fought against lgb Phobia and was out and proud from her early 20s when it wasn’t “ fashionable “ now that’s stunning and brave . She’s now being ridiculed for not looking like a “ real “ woman . Thing is there is no “ real “ woman look but they all have one thing in common . They are all adult human females . Keep up the good fight Martina , you absolute legend . That's just downright nasty and although there's a lot in the gender debate that I know sweet FA about and understand even less, it confirms my suspicions that a lot of the trans rights folk are just vulgar bullies out to stomp all over everybody else's rights at all costs and to Hell with anyone who is offended by their overly aggressive approach. I may be wrong but I don't recall Martina ever trying to belittle or bully anybody over their identity and rights while she herself was developing her career against the prejudice that existed at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 48 minutes ago, Taffin said: These feel conflicting with themselves. Gender reassignment is utterly nebulous . it’s a non- definition . it includes full surgery to changing your hair .it defies categorisation. It removes any possible protection that women may desire to protect - not demand as they already had those rights- they are seeking to protect what they already have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 17 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said: About time too . https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/09/cass-review-nhs-children-gender-dysphoria How could anyone have thought otherwise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 On 04/04/2024 at 15:39, Pete Elliott said: You’ve said it is “widely recognised as a hate term” and now it is “probably a hate term.” Which is it? Can't see the contradiction.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 14 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: How could anyone have thought otherwise? The vast number of kids - especially body hating young women/ wanting out of their body and place and into another should have rung massive alarm bells. How many kids from your generation are now living as the opposite sex? Barely any. Despite that avenue being open to them for a long time. How many killed themselves in their teens ? A lot less than now. Whatever is happening , it’s not right. Society is suffering a monumental breakdown and kids are struggling to see where they fit into it and scrambling around looking for this and falling prey to suggestion and trends and bad faith actors . They need support, and help. And I suspect they actually need their dads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 2 hours ago, JDK2020 said: That's just downright nasty and although there's a lot in the gender debate that I know sweet FA about and understand even less, it confirms my suspicions that a lot of the trans rights folk are just vulgar bullies out to stomp all over everybody else's rights at all costs and to Hell with anyone who is offended by their overly aggressive approach. I may be wrong but I don't recall Martina ever trying to belittle or bully anybody over their identity and rights while she herself was developing her career against the prejudice that existed at the time. It’s such a low blow , and evidence they are losing any sound arguments . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 22 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: It’s such a low blow , and evidence they are losing any sound arguments . The evidence was always there . the Cass report - everything in it is in this thread. every last bit. application of evidence = good practice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 27 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: The evidence was always there . the Cass report - everything in it is in this thread. every last bit. application of evidence = good practice So true . Some were too scared to acknowledge it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 33 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: So true . Some were too scared to acknowledge it Guess the next step is to stop all the pronouns stuff, as that has been acknowledged as not a neutral act, and is essentially treatment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 2 hours ago, doctor jambo said: I suspect they actually need their dads. A very underrated sentence and sentiment in today's society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 2 hours ago, doctor jambo said: And I suspect they actually need their dads. Controversial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montpelier Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 7 minutes ago, John Findlay said: A very underrated sentence and sentiment in today's society. True that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 1 hour ago, doctor jambo said: Guess the next step is to stop all the pronouns stuff, as that has been acknowledged as not a neutral act, and is essentially treatment It’s “ compelled “ speech . So its a no from me . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 12 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: It’s “ compelled “ speech . So its a no from me . Not entirely sure what you mean by "compelled speech". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 7 hours ago, Taffin said: These feel conflicting with themselves. Not sure what you mean. It is against the law to discriminate against anyone because of gender reassignment. What's conflicting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 2 minutes ago, cazzyy said: Not sure what you mean. It is against the law to discriminate against anyone because of gender reassignment. What's conflicting? Not calling someone what they want is not discriminating . What is gender reassignment? Gender identity and gender reassignment are different things . Sex and gender are different things . You can change gender many times over a lifetime , but that does not grant access to single sex spaces. You have changed gender , not sex, so there is no discrimination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 6 hours ago, JDK2020 said: That's just downright nasty and although there's a lot in the gender debate that I know sweet FA about and understand even less, it confirms my suspicions that a lot of the trans rights folk are just vulgar bullies out to stomp all over everybody else's rights at all costs and to Hell with anyone who is offended by their overly aggressive approach. I may be wrong but I don't recall Martina ever trying to belittle or bully anybody over their identity and rights while she herself was developing her career against the prejudice that existed at the time. This might or might not be news to you (and others) but despite what the rabid media and 2 or 3 on here would have you believe, not all transgenders are "vulgar bullies out to stomp all over everybody else's rights .......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 Just now, doctor jambo said: Not calling someone what they want is not discriminating . What is gender reassignment? Gender identity and gender reassignment are different things . Sex and gender are different things . You can change gender many times over a lifetime , but that does not grant access to single sex spaces. You have changed gender , not sex, so there is no discrimination. Well that's that then. We can all get on with our lives now that you've put us all right. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 4 hours ago, doctor jambo said: The vast number of kids - especially body hating young women/ wanting out of their body and place and into another should have rung massive alarm bells. How many kids from your generation are now living as the opposite sex? Barely any. Despite that avenue being open to them for a long time. How many killed themselves in their teens ? A lot less than now. Whatever is happening , it’s not right. Society is suffering a monumental breakdown and kids are struggling to see where they fit into it and scrambling around looking for this and falling prey to suggestion and trends and bad faith actors . They need support, and help. And I suspect they actually need their dads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 2 hours ago, John Findlay said: A very underrated sentence and sentiment in today's society. And absolute bollocks too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 1 minute ago, cazzyy said: Well that's that then. We can all get on with our lives now that you've put us all right. 👍 It’s true though. Humans cannot change sex. Gender is a performative stereotype that you can change at will, and change back if you wish. gender and sex are different. One sex has asked that it be protected from the other , regardless of its gender. The other sex has asked that it’s gender be recognised as its sex, and women have said “no”. Meanwhile people have been telling children , who don’t really understand the difference that they can change sex- all they have to do is take life changing treatments they cannot consent to and then they are that thing , when they are not . its a con Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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