Unknown user Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Quite refreshing to see two members of same party have debate where they're allowed to express differing opinions. Can't see SNP allowing anything like this to happen. After all, they're not allowed to own different opinions, never mind express them on TV. 1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said: Spot on 38 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Fair comment even in a Tory leadership thread! Obsessed much chaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Quite refreshing to see two members of same party have debate where they're allowed to express differing opinions. Can't see SNP allowing anything like this to happen. After all, they're not allowed to own different opinions, never mind express them on TV. 1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said: Spot on 45 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Fair comment These folks? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62221445 Quote A senior Tory MP has been suspended from the parliamentary party after he missed a vote of confidence in Boris Johnson's government. Tobias Ellwood has had the whip removed and will not be able to vote in the Conservative leadership election. Mr Ellwood said he was "sorry" to lose the whip but argued he was unable to return from a meeting in Moldova. The government won the vote and the prime minister is due to continue in his role until a successor is elected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, Smithee said: Obsessed much chaps? How many Tory threads are on the first page of the Shed Smithee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Fair comment It really isn't. But I'm not going to explain it just because you don't understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Just now, Nucky Thompson said: How many Tory threads are on the first page of the Shed Smithee Not enough, how obsessed are you lot with the SNP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Just now, Smithee said: Not enough, how obsessed are you lot with the SNP? Now, now @Smithee the Nuckster isn't a Tory.... apparently! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 "Debate to express differing opinions" = vacuous game of finding anything to say that might gain favour from the prejudices, personal interests and redundant ideologies of a group of people not much larger than the population of Dundee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Quality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 16 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Lord Cruddas (one of BoJo's appointees to the Lords) thinks Boris should be allowed to stay as PM. 10,000 of the 160,000 or so members want him to continue. It's a cult. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 24 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: Now, now @Smithee the Nuckster isn't a Tory.... apparently! I don't support any political party Konrad. I've voted for them all and they've all pissed me off at one time or another. You'll find that I post more SNP critique than support for the Tories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Food for thought for those advocating Liz Truss's tax cuts. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/25/liz-truss-trussonomics-tax-cuts-interest-rates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 33 minutes ago, Smithee said: how obsessed are you lot with the SNP? Is an unhealthy hatred for them obsessed enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter McGavin Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 18 minutes ago, Victorian said: Food for thought for those advocating Liz Truss's tax cuts. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/25/liz-truss-trussonomics-tax-cuts-interest-rates Her plan is utterly reckless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Shooter McGavin said: Her plan is utterly reckless. Certainly could be. A lot depends on just what is delivered in actuality from the swag bag of promises made before she gets her feet under the table. Because we now live in the era when you can promise with impunity and deliver something entirely different on the premise of any kind of bullshit excuse not to deliver what was promised. But there is a danger that tax cuts will become a regular resource to buy popularity in the run up to the next election. Tax cuts that will overwhelming benefit the people not immediately in peril from the cost of living effects to come. Unaffordable mortgage repayments, much more difficult access to the housing ladder for first time buyers and increasingly persistent personal credit burdens await the plebs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter McGavin Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Victorian said: Certainly could be. A lot depends on just what is delivered in actuality from the swag bag of promises made before she gets her feet under the table. Because we now live in the era when you can promise with impunity and deliver something entirely different on the premise of any kind of bullshit excuse not to deliver what was promised. But there is a danger that tax cuts will become a regular resource to buy popularity in the run up to the next election. Tax cuts that will overwhelming benefit the people not immediately in peril from the cost of living effects to come. Unaffordable mortgage repayments, much more difficult access to the housing ladder for first time buyers and increasingly persistent personal credit burdens await the plebs. The potential impact on mortgage rates is a big red flag. 7% mortgage rates, potentially. How many first-time buyers just simply could not get on the property ladder, and how many people would be defaulting on their payments. Scary stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 40 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: I don't support any political party Konrad. I've voted for them all and they've all pissed me off at one time or another. You'll find that I post more SNP critique than support for the Torie Just joshing Nicky, I recall you saying that previously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said: The potential impact on mortgage rates is a big red flag. 7% mortgage rates, potentially. How many first-time buyers just simply could not get on the property ladder, and how many people would be defaulting on their payments. Scary stuff. If done with a deft of touch the effect can actually dampen down inflation. But the junta tend to resort to the half-niddry through a window method of doing things to buy the odd vote or two. Plus we have the extraordinary matter of the immediate cost of living crisis and the spectre of unprecedented high inflation persisting year on year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 47 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: Is an unhealthy hatred for them obsessed enough A healthy dislike is to be commended! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said: The potential impact on mortgage rates is a big red flag. 7% mortgage rates, potentially. How many first-time buyers just simply could not get on the property ladder, and how many people would be defaulting on their payments. Scary stuff. I know that some economist suggested that as a possible income. I don't quite get the reasoning behind the claim. The normal response to high inflation is to raise interest rates. That is intended to increase the cost of credit and thus dampen demand, leading to lower prices. Unfortunately this inflation spike is not consumer spending or wage driven. It is the result of a rise in commodity prices. People are already out of pocket and will be further out of pocket with further energy price increases. The BOE is between a rock and a hard place. It is being very tentative in the interest rate rises thus far, because of the risk of making the problem worse. Damping consumer demand by increasing interest rates will put even more pressure on the least well off and will drive us into a deeper recession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Much better having a coronation eh boab. Salmond/Sturgeon or Blair/Brown, take your pick. I can’t recall a circus like this with tv debates and all manner of attached mud-slinging ! It’s a wind up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) It's all one big party political broadcast. If you ever needed to know if the Tory party ARE the Establishment, it's been proven by this circus. Edited July 25, 2022 by Cade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambos_1874 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 We are facing a climate catastrophe and that gets less attention than their fashion sense!! Unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: I know that some economist suggested that as a possible income. I don't quite get the reasoning behind the claim. The normal response to high inflation is to raise interest rates. That is intended to increase the cost of credit and thus dampen demand, leading to lower prices. Unfortunately this inflation spike is not consumer spending or wage driven. It is the result of a rise in commodity prices. People are already out of pocket and will be further out of pocket with further energy price increases. The BOE is between a rock and a hard place. It is being very tentative in the interest rate rises thus far, because of the risk of making the problem worse. Damping consumer demand by increasing interest rates will put even more pressure on the least well off and will drive us into a deeper recession. Correct. The whole thing has the potential to be a bin fire that would eclipse anything this rabble has managed before. We'll end up with the BoE having to react to the recklessness of the political vandals and it wont scratch the current inflation. It will only keep a lid on it. Meanwhile the fairytales about growth will come to nothing due to zero economic supply expansion being possible and most people finding it harder and harder to make ends meet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Victorian said: Correct. The whole thing has the potential to be a bin fire that would eclipse anything this rabble has managed before. We'll end up with the BoE having to react to the recklessness of the political vandals and it wont scratch the current inflation. It will only keep a lid on it. Meanwhile the fairytales about growth will come to nothing due to zero economic supply expansion being possible and most people finding it harder and harder to make ends meet. I'm absolutely sure there are many around the Tory party that are not intoxicated with power that are sitting back thinking that this is probably not the Premiership to get. Whoever goes in will be the one that presided over the biggest recession in living memory and quite likely civil unrest that will bring down the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 I can’t be the only one who cringes when they start trying to convince everyone of their relatability. “I’m so common, I worked in my mums pharmacy.” ”oh yeah, well I went to a comprehensive school” Reeks of desperation and doesn’t seem earnest at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter McGavin Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 I’d rather it was Sunak who lands the job. That is in no way an endorsement, I simply think he’s the least worst option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted July 25, 2022 Author Share Posted July 25, 2022 Sunak is at least economically competent. Truss is a fruitcake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter McGavin Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Just now, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Sunak is at least economically competent. Truss is a fruitcake. I wouldn’t trust Sunak to make my life any easier, but I would worry that Truss would make it a hell of a lot harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jambos_1874 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said: I’d rather it was Sunak who lands the job. That is in no way an endorsement, I simply think he’s the least worst option. I'm leaning towards that, although they are indeed both awful options. In fairness to Sunak, he does seem to stick to his guns on his policies and not change his position just because others i.e. most of the other candidates or even public opinion don't back it. Whether he is right is another matter. He did seem better briefed than Truss, and better prepared for her arguments. Edited July 25, 2022 by Jambos_1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 This is the first time I have sat back and watched the pair of them. Sunak reminds me of Blair, way to smooth for my liking. However there is something not quite right about Truss, her body language is fascinating. She is indeed a human hand grenade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 It definitely feels like a party political broadcast and publicity for the Tories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 38 minutes ago, Boab said: I can’t recall a circus like this with tv debates and all manner of attached mud-slinging ! It’s a wind up. That's my point boab there wasn't any choices given to party members in either case. In both cases Labour and SNP members were presented with a fait accompli. Whether you like it or not at least Conservative members were give a proper competition for the new leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Sunak is at least economically competent. The chancellor that wrote off £4billion in fraudulently claimed furlough payments? The chancellor that wasted £11billion of taxpayer's money by not insuring against interest rate rises during quantitative easing? That guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, RobboM said: Was Martin vocal in his dissatisfaction when Brown became PM? Without a challenge? I'd ask the same question about Sturgeon but I doubt he gave a toss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: That's my point boab there wasn't any choices given to party members in either case. In both cases Labour and SNP members were presented with a fait accompli. Whether you like it or not at least Conservative members were give a proper competition for the new leader. It stinks, is my point. It’s a well planned attempt to get the proles back onside after that arsehole was pushed out. TV debates ? C’mon, guys, they’re pissing down your legs ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted July 25, 2022 Author Share Posted July 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Cade said: The chancellor that wrote off £4billion in fraudulently claimed furlough payments? The chancellor that wasted £11billion of taxpayer's money by not insuring against interest rate rises during quantitative easing? That guy? Everything is relative. However, in Sunak's defence, can you show me one government across the world that didn't waste some money in furlough? It was an emergency situation to get money out to keep people afloat. That some took advantage of that or abnormally benefitted is no great surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Savage work from Cold War Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 45 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Was Martin vocal in his dissatisfaction when Brown became PM? Without a challenge? I'd ask the same question about Sturgeon but I doubt he gave a toss. ? Brown was a planned and consensual successor to Blair and continued with the manifesto both had contributed to and both had been elected on. The point of that tweet is these two are at absolute loggerheads on the future direction. They can't both be representing the 2019 manifesto. What is their mandate for their new approach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 What is confusing now is why there are so many Poles taking a view on how Truss and Sunak performed during last night's debate. I thought we were out of the EU 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 7 hours ago, RobboM said: ? Brown was a planned and consensual successor to Blair and continued with the manifesto both had contributed to and both had been elected on. The point of that tweet is these two are at absolute loggerheads on the future direction. They can't both be representing the 2019 manifesto. What is their mandate for their new approach? Ha ha okay then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 9 hours ago, Cade said: The chancellor that wrote off £4billion in fraudulently claimed furlough payments? The chancellor that wasted £11billion of taxpayer's money by not insuring against interest rate rises during quantitative easing? That guy? A lot of that £4 billion isn’t there and would need to be claimed from people and businesses who don’t have it. I can already see your posts if the government pursued these people. 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 One thing is still clear, Rishi is the only one capable of getting us back on track. I hope people don’t fall for the tax cut bollox Truss is proposing. Now is not the time to cut tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 3 hours ago, Dazo said: One thing is still clear, Rishi is the only one capable of getting us back on track. I hope people don’t fall for the tax cut bollox Truss is proposing. Now is not the time to cut tax. Probably, but the Daily Mail, Daily Express, ERG and most of the Conservative membership have it in for him because he “betrayed” the golden boy who’s lies, poor judgment, and behaviour are seemingly acceptable to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said: Probably, but the Daily Mail, Daily Express, ERG and most of the Conservative membership have it in for him because he “betrayed” the golden boy who’s lies, poor judgment, and behaviour are seemingly acceptable to them. Everyone is flawed is the defence for some re Johnson, I hear, yet this goes out the window when something utterly trivial occurs in a TV debate. The hypnotic effect Johnson has on some Conservatives should be a ****ing embarrassment to them Edited July 26, 2022 by Riccarton3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 22 minutes ago, Riccarton3 said: Everyone is flawed is the defence for some re Johnson, I hear, yet this goes out the window when something utterly trivial occurs in a TV debate. The hypnotic effect Johnson has on some Conservatives should be a ****ing embarrassment to them These people aren't susceptible to the emotion of embarrassment. Johnson is still believed to be of electoral value and that's really all it boils down to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Victorian said: These people aren't susceptible to the emotion of embarrassment. Johnson is still believed to be of electoral value and that's really all it boils down to. He is though, that's the ridiculous thing about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Dawnrazor said: He is though, that's the ridiculous thing about. He is for many voters. There's a certain amount of 'skill' there with his style of delivery. It cuts through and disguises the lies, bullshit and lack of substance and detail. His leadership and behaviour reached a tipping point where MPs acted in the belief that the electoral value he has was eroded by the litany of scandals going on. It's no surprise at all that part of the party would be having second thoughts, now that a certain amount of revisionism has taken place regarding his demise, as well as the calibre of his likely replacement is now laid bare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 hour ago, SectionDJambo said: Probably, but the Daily Mail, Daily Express, ERG and most of the Conservative membership have it in for him because he “betrayed” the golden boy who’s lies, poor judgment, and behaviour are seemingly acceptable to them. They aren’t very keen on his colour either . Let’s not forget that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 hour ago, JudyJudyJudy said: They aren’t very keen on his colour either . Let’s not forget that Oh....shots fired! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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