ScotRail

[Horatio Caine]

1 hour ago, John Findlay said:

The shirts, trousers and jacket are all brand new when I receive them.

So as far as I am concerned that is new uniform to me.

John, are you a Scotrail or a Network Rail employee? I wouldn't imagine your uniform was Abellio?

[John Findlay]

1 hour ago, Horatio Caine said:

John, are you a Scotrail or a Network Rail employee? I wouldn't imagine your uniform was Abellio?

Scotrail.

[highlandjambo3]

8 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Never thought about being a Train staunin abooter. But I never in a million years thought they were on over £50 grand a year. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

😂😂😂

 

Not ITK but I’m sure I heard somewhere that the bus drivers strike in London not that long ago demanding the same pay scales as underground tube drivers as the bus drivers had to actually drive a bus (indicators, mirrors, moving safely with other traffic etc…..) where as the underground drivers just pushed a lever forwards and back again 🤣🤣 possibly a bit more to it than that though.

Edited May 24, 2022 by highlandjambo3

[Mister T]

5 hours ago, highlandjambo3 said:

😂😂😂

 

Not ITK but I’m sure I heard somewhere that the bus drivers strike in London not that long ago demanding the same pay scales as underground tube drivers as the bus drivers had to actually drive a bus (indicators, mirrors, moving safely with other traffic etc…..) where as the underground drivers just pushed a lever forwards and back again 🤣🤣 possibly a bit more to it than that though.

Steering a train round a corner in a dark tunnel can't be easy. 

[manaliveits105]

The train now standing at platform one is standing 

[IronJambo]

Off topic as it's not Scotrail but it's related all the same.

 

Just got he results from our RMT ballot at GWR.

 

Are you prepared to take strike action?

 

Out of 2818 able to vote:

 

1955 votes

 

1570 voted Yes

380 voted No

5 spoiled papers

 

 

Are you prepared to take industrial action short of strike?

 

1822 voted yes

124 voted no

9 spoiled papers

 

Edit:

 

All of the following also. We have a nationwide strike on the way.

 

RMT balloted over 40,000 members in Network Rail and the train operating companies

 

The following companies have voted for strike action and action short of strike:

 

Network Rail

 

Chiltern Railways,

Cross Country Trains,

Greater Anglia,

LNER,

East Midlands Railway,

c2c,

Great Western Railway,

Northern Trains,

South Eastern

South Western Railway

Transpennine Express,

Avanti West Coast,

West Midlands Trains

 

The following company voted for action short of strike:

 

GTR (including Gatwick Express)

Edited May 24, 2022 by IronJambo

[Ked]

11 minutes ago, IronJambo said:

Off topic as it's not Scotrail but it's related all the same.

 

Just got he results from our RMT ballot at GWR.

 

Are you prepared to take strike action?

 

Out of 2818 able to vote:

 

1955 votes

 

1570 voted Yes

380 voted No

5 spoiled papers

 

 

Are you prepared to take industrial action short of strike?

 

1822 voted yes

124 voted no

9 spoiled papers

 

Edit:

 

All of the following also. We have a nationwide strike on the way.

 

RMT balloted over 40,000 members in Network Rail and the train operating companies

 

The following companies have voted for strike action and action short of strike:

 

Network Rail

 

Chiltern Railways,

Cross Country Trains,

Greater Anglia,

LNER,

East Midlands Railway,

c2c,

Great Western Railway,

Northern Trains,

South Eastern

South Western Railway

Transpennine Express,

Avanti West Coast,

West Midlands Trains

 

The following company voted for action short of strike:

 

GTR (including Gatwick Express)

Jobs pay and conditions?

What conditions is it they are striking for?

New overalls?

I say that after the discussion earlier on the thread.

 

What's the jobs they are taking action about?

And what pay are they after that will impact the commuters that use the service?

What pay are they on?

 

The RMT are run by open communists.

As far as I know nearly every employee has a pension most of us outside the council workers(I say workers)police (deserved) nurses doctors (desreved) and politicians would only dream of.

And don't spraff shit about strong unions .

It affects only your fellow working class because there's no one makes money out of the rail network.

Acting like your the vanguard of the working class.

Pffft

[Ked]

RMT will price their members out of work.

Automation isn't far away.

Same happened with the ports ,mines and steelworks.

You can choose reality or the pipe dream of socialism while taking the benefits of raised living standards by comparison from free market .

 

Where well paid jobs were  screwed up by militant unions.

I'm not saying there's no place for unions but political motivation from their leadership who have little between their ears and are likely influenced by Russian handlers will see the industry done.

The rail network is a mess.

It needs nationalised.

But it's a poisoned chalice with clowns like the RMT holding us all to ransom.

Train travel to commute us down to 5%.

Car travel has gone up despite fuel costs.

Hope you all enjoy the dwindling need for your service because of your selfish attitudes.

 

[1874robbo]

54 minutes ago, Ked said:

RMT will price their members out of work.

Automation isn't far away.

Same happened with the ports ,mines and steelworks.

You can choose reality or the pipe dream of socialism while taking the benefits of raised living standards by comparison from free market .

 

Where well paid jobs were  screwed up by militant unions.

I'm not saying there's no place for unions but political motivation from their leadership who have little between their ears and are likely influenced by Russian handlers will see the industry done.

The rail network is a mess.

It needs nationalised.

But it's a poisoned chalice with clowns like the RMT holding us all to ransom.

Train travel to commute us down to 5%.

Car travel has gone up despite fuel costs.

Hope you all enjoy the dwindling need for your service because of your selfish attitudes.

 

Dry yer eyes ffs 

[IronJambo]

Unbelievable amount of fascists in here 🤦

[IronJambo]

5 hours ago, Ked said:

Jobs pay and conditions?

What conditions is it they are striking for?

New overalls?

I say that after the discussion earlier on the thread.

 

What's the jobs they are taking action about?

And what pay are they after that will impact the commuters that use the service?

What pay are they on?

 

The RMT are run by open communists.

As far as I know nearly every employee has a pension most of us outside the council workers(I say workers)police (deserved) nurses doctors (desreved) and politicians would only dream of.

And don't spraff shit about strong unions .

It affects only your fellow working class because there's no one makes money out of the rail network.

Acting like your the vanguard of the working class.

Pffft

RMT are run by their members.

As for everything else, you really don't have a clue. Good luck to you if you want the railway back in the 70's but with no staff. 

[Ked]

2 hours ago, IronJambo said:

RMT are run by their members.

As for everything else, you really don't have a clue. Good luck to you if you want the railway back in the 70's but with no staff. 

Right now the rail network is used by 5% to  commute while car use is up 65%.

My limited experience of it isn't bad but I would not wish to rely on it.

Your trade union is led by politicians who have an effect far outweighing their importance.

And your strike action affects what little customers you have left.

50% down on prepandemic levels.

Who do you think will pay for these wage rises given that the rail industry employs so many people.

7 hours ago, 1874robbo said:

Dry yer eyes ffs 

My eyes are bone dry.

But then I'm not paying a fortune to travel to work only to find out I can't get home.

It's not me crying about being on 29 per hour.

4 hours ago, Rocco_Jambo said:

Come on now, let’s just all ignore trade unions and 3% pay increases in the worst time of inflation in 40 years until Smithee manages to get himself off the brew.

Even if it were true these wage demands will be paid out the public purse at unprecedented times where the people on benefits are making choices between heat and food.

Not whether they can holiday once or twice a year.

[1874robbo]

6 minutes ago, Ked said:

Right now the rail network is used by 5% to  commute while car use is up 65%.

My limited experience of it isn't bad but I would not wish to rely on it.

Your trade union is led by politicians who have an effect far outweighing their importance.

And your strike action affects what little customers you have left.

50% down on prepandemic levels.

Who do you think will pay for these wage rises given that the rail industry employs so many people.

My eyes are bone dry.

But then I'm not paying a fortune to travel to work only to find out I can't get home.

It's not me crying about being on 29 per hour.

Even if it were true these wage demands will be paid out the public purse at unprecedented times where the people on benefits are making choices between heat and food.

Not whether they can holiday once or twice a year.

What do you work as Ked?

[IronJambo]

17 minutes ago, Ked said:

Right now the rail network is used by 5% to  commute while car use is up 65%.

My limited experience of it isn't bad but I would not wish to rely on it.

Your trade union is led by politicians who have an effect far outweighing their importance.

And your strike action affects what little customers you have left.

50% down on prepandemic levels.

Who do you think will pay for these wage rises given that the rail industry employs so many people.

My eyes are bone dry.

But then I'm not paying a fortune to travel to work only to find out I can't get home.

It's not me crying about being on 29 per hour.

Even if it were true these wage demands will be paid out the public purse at unprecedented times where the people on benefits are making choices between heat and food.

Not whether they can holiday once or twice a year.

Why are you so upset about people legally threatening to withdraw their labour?

[Ked]

1 hour ago, 1874robbo said:

What do you work as Ked?

Construction

 

1 hour ago, IronJambo said:

Why are you so upset about people legally threatening to withdraw their labour?

I'm not and good luck to you all.

Just not particularly sympathetic to your cause.

And I'm definitely not arguing against your right to withhold Labour.

 

What does my head in is the likes of your unions leadership.

Champagne socialists who sit pretty in their half million pound properties .

 

[il Duce McTarkin]

20 minutes ago, Ked said:

Champagne socialists who sit pretty in their half million pound properties .

 

 

Don't get anything fancy for half a million these days, bud.

[IronJambo]

35 minutes ago, Ked said:

Construction

 

I'm not and good luck to you all.

Just not particularly sympathetic to your cause.

And I'm definitely not arguing against your right to withhold Labour.

 

What does my head in is the likes of your unions leadership.

Champagne socialists who sit pretty in their half million pound properties .

 

Lucky to get a 3 bed terrace where I live for that ked

[John Findlay]

3 minutes ago, IronJambo said:

Lucky to get a 3 bed terrace where I live for that ked

So you live in an affluent area, in a property worth circa £450-500k?

[Ked]

23 minutes ago, Dirk McClaymore said:

 

Don't get anything fancy for half a million these days, bud.

 

9 minutes ago, IronJambo said:

Lucky to get a 3 bed terrace where I live for that ked

 

5 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

So you live in an affluent area, in a property worth circa £450-500k?

Point taken.

 

[William H. Bonney]

7 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

So you live in an affluent area, in a property worth circa £450-500k?

 

Must be a union rep. 

[Unknown user]

7 hours ago, Rocco_Jambo said:

Come on now, let’s just all ignore trade unions and 3% pay increases in the worst time of inflation in 40 years until Smithee manages to get himself off the brew.

 

I'm off for medical reasons and very unlikely to work again.

 

[Unknown user]

The charm offensive continues...

[Unknown user]

11 hours ago, IronJambo said:

Off topic as it's not Scotrail but it's related all the same.

 

Just got he results from our RMT ballot at GWR.

 

Are you prepared to take strike action?

 

Out of 2818 able to vote:

 

1955 votes

 

1570 voted Yes

380 voted No

5 spoiled papers

 

 

Are you prepared to take industrial action short of strike?

 

1822 voted yes

124 voted no

9 spoiled papers

 

Edit:

 

All of the following also. We have a nationwide strike on the way.

 

RMT balloted over 40,000 members in Network Rail and the train operating companies

 

The following companies have voted for strike action and action short of strike:

 

Network Rail

 

Chiltern Railways,

Cross Country Trains,

Greater Anglia,

LNER,

East Midlands Railway,

c2c,

Great Western Railway,

Northern Trains,

South Eastern

South Western Railway

Transpennine Express,

Avanti West Coast,

West Midlands Trains

 

The following company voted for action short of strike:

 

GTR (including Gatwick Express)

 

The SNP have made a right arse of this eh @frankblack ?

[IronJambo]

48 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

So you live in an affluent area, in a property worth circa £450-500k?

 

41 minutes ago, William H. Bonney said:

 

Must be a union rep. 

No, I live in a flat. The average cost of a house is £500k+.

It's not really a choice anymore, I'd need to move quite far away to make property more affordable

[frankblack]

1 hour ago, Smithee said:

 

The SNP have made a right arse of this eh @frankblack ?

 

More whatabootery to deflect against the Scottish Railways and Ferries shitshow.

[Unknown user]

1 hour ago, frankblack said:

 

More whatabootery to deflect against the Scottish Railways and Ferries shitshow.

Or another example of your "it's the snp's fault until proven otherwise" patter

[frankblack]

4 hours ago, Smithee said:

Or another example of your "it's the snp's fault until proven otherwise" patter

 

Oh dear

[Rocco_Jambo]

15 hours ago, Smithee said:

 

I'm off for medical reasons and very unlikely to work again.

 

 

Fair enough then.

 

I would have thought at the very least there were data entry jobs that aren't much different than people posting their opinions on internet forums all day.

 

I doubt your doctor is suggesting complaining about other people exercising their rights to pay increases is helpful for your ailments.

[Harry Potter]

21 hours ago, Smithee said:

 

I'm off for medical reasons and very unlikely to work again.

 

Hope you get better soon bud, take care.

[Unknown user]

5 hours ago, Rocco_Jambo said:

 

Fair enough then.

 

I would have thought at the very least there were data entry jobs that aren't much different than people posting their opinions on internet forums all day.

 

I doubt your doctor is suggesting complaining about other people exercising their rights to pay increases is helpful for your ailments.

 

Is that what you would have thought is it? Cool.

I suppose I'll take the inherent support of my unionised comrades for their fellow working man struck down as implied.

[Unknown user]

17 minutes ago, Harry Potter said:

Hope you get better soon bud, take care.

Cheers Harold, appreciated

[SE16 3LN]

On 19/05/2022 at 13:08, Malinga the Swinga said:

Yeah, let's put up pay by 9% as well. Oh hold on, it's public sector so we will need to pay more tax to cover it. 

That will see us in vicious circle, which as those of us who are older, will remember with grim memories. 

It's a comparable rise to private sector so o yes, it's reasonable and fair.

 

You'll be heading your £550 free money back as we. Can't believe the tax burden. 

[Mikey1874]

 

[Doctor FinnBarr]

On 22/05/2022 at 08:39, IronJambo said:

The same drivers that showed up for work all through the pandemic to get doctors, nurses etc to work? Yeah, they don't care do they.

 

I showed up for work throughout the pandemic too, to make sure train drivers and their families had something to eat and wipe their arses on all for a £100 bonus and an extra days holiday...plus a 2% wage rise of course.

Now these "caring" train drivers want to shit on me and all others who need to use a train? Not going to get much sympathy from me for the "greedy cause".

[1874robbo]

3 hours ago, FinnBarr Saunders said:

 

I showed up for work throughout the pandemic too, to make sure train drivers and their families had something to eat and wipe their arses on all for a £100 bonus and an extra days holiday...plus a 2% wage rise of course.

Now these "caring" train drivers want to shit on me and all others who need to use a train? Not going to get much sympathy from me for the "greedy cause".

So because you sold yourself out so short that’s the train drivers fault?

 

[jambo89]

4 hours ago, FinnBarr Saunders said:

 

I showed up for work throughout the pandemic too, to make sure train drivers and their families had something to eat and wipe their arses on all for a £100 bonus and an extra days holiday...plus a 2% wage rise of course.

Now these "caring" train drivers want to shit on me and all others who need to use a train? Not going to get much sympathy from me for the "greedy cause".

Why didn’t you strike for better conditions? 

[Doctor FinnBarr]

1 hour ago, jambo89 said:

Why didn’t you strike for better conditions? 

 

To make sure you and your family didn't starve (or be able to wipe yer arse's.

[jambo89]

11 minutes ago, FinnBarr Saunders said:

 

To make sure you and your family didn't starve (or be able to wipe yer arse's.

You didn't strike because you wanted other people's families not to starve? At least be serious if you're going to moan about other people's pay.

[i wish jj was my dad]

I'm not completely switched on with the rights and wrongs but this seems political to me. 

It does strike me as insensitive for guys on close to 60k pa to strike over pay when others are choosing to eat or heat so I'm not sure there will be a lot of public support. I certainly wouldn't expect any if I went out over pay and I don't deliver a service that a huge % of the country rely on to get to work each day. 

But the bigger picture is that if this country was run for the benefit of the citizens rather than the elite few we could easily afford decent and affordable public services which looked after the welfare of the staff that run them. 

[superjack]

On 25/05/2022 at 13:34, Smithee said:

Or another example of your "it's the snp's fault until proven otherwise" patter

I normally can't stand the SNP, but I don't see how they can be blamed for the state of the railways. They've inherited this current mess. Give them a chance (not you obviously Smithee) to sort out the mess before judging them on the railways.

[1874robbo]

1 hour ago, FinnBarr Saunders said:

 

To make sure you and your family didn't starve (or be able to wipe yer arse's.

Never done a good job then.

Couldn’t get toilet roll for ages!!!!!

 

[IronJambo]

7 hours ago, FinnBarr Saunders said:

 

I showed up for work throughout the pandemic too, to make sure train drivers and their families had something to eat and wipe their arses on all for a £100 bonus and an extra days holiday...plus a 2% wage rise of course.

Now these "caring" train drivers want to shit on me and all others who need to use a train? Not going to get much sympathy from me for the "greedy cause".

Congratulations on getting a rise AND a bonus. Have you had any other pay rises since 2019?

 

Don't moan at me because you're now looking back and think you should've got together with your colleagues and asked for more. My colleagues and I are asking for what we think we're worth, maybe you should do the same next time as well.

[il Duce McTarkin]

46 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

 

It does strike me as insensitive for guys on close to 60k pa to strike over pay when others are choosing to eat or heat so I'm not sure there will be a lot of public support.

 

I'm not so sure that 60k pa is an outrageous wage if you have a mortgage, 2 or 3 kids, and the wife isn't working as childcare is so ****ing expensive.

 

It's enough to keep your head above water, but not rolling in tenners.

 

I havn't had a pay rise in 5 years. Wish I had a union to help me out.

Edited May 27, 2022 by Dirk McClaymore

[Dazo]

3 minutes ago, Dirk McClaymore said:

 

I'm not so sure that 60k pa is an outrageous wage if you have a mortgage, 2 or 3 kids, and the wife isn't working as childcare is so ****ing expensive.

 

It's enough to keep your head above water, but not rolling in tenners.

It isn’t close to be outrageous and depending on where you live that sort of wage will only be enough to do as you say. That said though what you get paid compared to someone else isn’t really relevant when it comes to pay rise. What is more relevant is the company performance and industry standard imo. I don’t know the figures but I’d imagine passenger numbers for the last few years have been very low with furlough and/or grants likely skewing actual performance in the company. So it probably isn’t the right time to be screwing the government or their customers for more money. As a workforce they are never happy though and will happily strike to get their way. 

[i wish jj was my dad]

16 minutes ago, Dirk McClaymore said:

 

I'm not so sure that 60k pa is an outrageous wage if you have a mortgage, 2 or 3 kids, and the wife isn't working as childcare is so ****ing expensive.

 

It's enough to keep your head above water, but not rolling in tenners.

 

I havn't had a pay rise in 5 years. Wish I had a union to help me out.

It's not an outrageous wage at all but it is pretty healthy and a helluva lot of people are struggling to get by on a third of that. 

I'll strike over what the ****s have done to my pension but on principle I'll never go out over pay while some folk literally have to choose between keeping their kids warm or keeping them fed. 

[Taffin]

45 minutes ago, Dirk McClaymore said:

 

I'm not so sure that 60k pa is an outrageous wage if you have a mortgage, 2 or 3 kids, and the wife isn't working as childcare is so ****ing expensive.

 

It's enough to keep your head above water, but not rolling in tenners.

 

I havn't had a pay rise in 5 years. Wish I had a union to help me out.

 

 

No wage is outrageous if you decide to have massive outgoings, the salary is paid to one person and 60k is a pretty big salary. What that person does with it is up to them, but the usage isn't what justifies the salary, only the work they do and the benefit they bring to their employer does that.

 

I'd get a pretty short thrift if I asked for a pay rise simply because as I'd increased my outgoings.

Edited May 27, 2022 by Taffin

[il Duce McTarkin]

4 minutes ago, Taffin said:

I'd get a pretty short thrift if I asked for a pay rise simply because as I'd increased my outgoings.

 

Fair enough, but that's not my point. 60 grand isn't a huge wage. That's my point.

I get the feeling that some folk think that others shouldn't get a pay rise because other folk are struggling.

Everyone should be striving for better, imo.

The fact that some industries are heavily unionised and this can be used to protect employees terms and conditions shouldn't be grudged.

If I was offered an 8% pay rise today, I'd still be worse off in real terms than when I signed my contract.

Like I said, I wish I had a union.

[Taffin]

23 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

People tend to match their outgoing or at least scale them to their income. 
 

They are not asking for a wage rise based on outgoing either. As far as I can tell, and I may be wrong, it’s a cost of living rise to keep up with sky rocketing inflation. 
 

 

 

 

Sorry I just meant in a general sense as a response to the poster linking it to outgoings.

 

Inflation is somewhat out of an individual's control, I get it in those circumstances.

 

I just mean that a salary is a salary and it's either at the bigger end of the spectrum or the lower. That's only really judged based on other people's salaries and what value you bring your employer. Whether you spend it all, or not, doesn't really come into it as that's your choice.

 

Not a moral judgment, just my opinion on it. I could go and spend all my money tomorrow, that wouldn't make my salary less generous...it would remain the same.

[Taffin]

28 minutes ago, Dirk McClaymore said:

 

Fair enough, but that's not my point. 60 grand isn't a huge wage. That's my point.

I get the feeling that some folk think that others shouldn't get a pay rise because other folk are struggling.

 

When it's a public service, I do actually think that...at least in the pay scales were talking about here.

 

Private sector, crack on. 

 

28 minutes ago, Dirk McClaymore said:

Everyone should be striving for better, imo.

The fact that some industries are heavily unionised and this can be used to protect employees terms and conditions shouldn't be grudged.

 

Certainly don't personal hold a grudge on that. I'm strongly in favour of unions, I just think in this instance and at this time just because you can, doesn't mean you should 

 

 

28 minutes ago, Dirk McClaymore said:

If I was offered an 8% pay rise today, I'd still be worse off in real terms than when I signed my contract.

Like I said, I wish I had a union.

 

I'd be the same. I'm lucky though and can afford to be worse off due to inflation. Many can't, therefore I wouldn't dream of taking money out of the public purse right now as it should be used to help the most vulnerable.

 

And yes, I will be donating my council tax rebate for that very reason...if it ever arrives.

[il Duce McTarkin]

1 minute ago, Taffin said:

 

Sorry I just meant in a general sense as a response to the poster linking it to outgoings.

 

 

I was only linking it to outgoings as an illustration of how 60k isn't an outrageous salary.

You could drive around Edinburgh for 2 or 3 hours and not pass a house that someone on 60k could afford.

In terms of the value that a set of employees bring to their employer, well, we're about to see just how much value they bring.