energy prices

[ri Alban]

7 hours ago, doctor jambo said:

Not at all.

I have been quite clear, there should be nationalisation and a proper look at how life saving essentials are provided to the population.

In other threads too I have stated how the neediest should pay neither rent / power/ council tax etc.

However Smithee was having a moan about paying his bill on UC whilst deriding people with ambition on another thread - and that having no ambition is fine- well, I was merely pointing out that if on UC and not able to manage , if you are fit to work, there in  lies the solution…..

it was not some Thatcherite diatribe , merely a suggestion to become more proactive and contribute to your own and societies well being - good Marxist principles !

Universal credit covers everything, not just unemployment. Ambition in some folk is very dangerous. Putin, Hitler, Johnson.

Edited August 27, 2022 by ri Alban

[Konrad von Carstein]

11 hours ago, Gizmo said:

Look, I understand a simpleton like yourself would think along these limited, simple lines, but I hate to break it to you - its neither a novel idea nor a eureka moment.

Come back when your beloved Russian simps do the exact same thing under a slightly different name and claim it to be a bold, world-beating strategy, comrade. 

 

11 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Fair comment.

 

11 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

Beat it and take stalky soft lad with ya 

Never change Kickback, never change

 

[Taffin]

Might be worth those who's provider went bust double checking their bills.

 

I went back through mine and saw where my Credit from the previous supplier had went...a £600 odd bill in February '22. Queried it with Shell and two days later I've not got £200 additional credit on my account.

 

 

Edit: just to be clear, £600 didn't come out my bank account, I'd absolutely have noticed that as an issue! £200ish did, which I didn't query as it was Feb and I knew I'd just moved provider and wasn't quite sure who I owed money to etc for previous bills as I didn't have access to their portal at the time to check. 

Edited August 27, 2022 by Taffin

[Unknown user]

5 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Universal credit covers everything, not just unemployment. Ambition in some folk is very dangerous. Putin, Hitler, Johnson.

 

I've asked him to back up this "deriding people with ambition" claim, but don't hold your breath.

 

 

I did say there's nothing wrong with being unambitious though, there are plenty who don't care about rising through the ranks, and they shouldn't be made to feel like there's something wrong with them.

 

Without those people nothing works, nothing happens, shelves don't get restocked, your car doesn't get repaired, your old dears stairlift doesn't get fitted.

 

Not everything has to be upwardly mobile.

Edited August 27, 2022 by Smithee

[dobmisterdobster]

[Footballfirst]

2 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said:

The suppliers profit and VAT have gone up in line with the wholesale price as they are fixed percentages, so could reasonably be described as unearned, therefore could be justifiably constrained by taxation at previous levels.

 

The wholesale price is what is driving the increases. However the costs of extracting a barrel of oil, a cubic metre of gas, or turning it into electricity, gas, or petrol for consumers are largely unchanged, therefore the increased amount is unearned profit and should be taxed as a windfall tax and not distributed to shareholders. 

[dobmisterdobster]

27 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

The suppliers profit and VAT have gone up in line with the wholesale price as they are fixed percentages, so could reasonably be described as unearned, therefore could be justifiably constrained by taxation at previous levels.

 

The wholesale price is what is driving the increases. However the costs of extracting a barrel of oil, a cubic metre of gas, or turning it into electricity, gas, or petrol for consumers are largely unchanged, therefore the increased amount is unearned profit and should be taxed as a windfall tax and not distributed to shareholders. 

 

The government already gets £169 for doing absolutely nothing. Windfall taxes would be a pittance.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

13 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

The suppliers profit and VAT have gone up in line with the wholesale price as they are fixed percentages, so could reasonably be described as unearned, therefore could be justifiably constrained by taxation at previous levels.

 

The wholesale price is what is driving the increases. However the costs of extracting a barrel of oil, a cubic metre of gas, or turning it into electricity, gas, or petrol for consumers are largely unchanged, therefore the increased amount is unearned profit and should be taxed as a windfall tax and not distributed to shareholders. 

 

And the single biggest factor driving the huge wholesale increases is the panic over supplies and the fear that Russia might turn the taps off. 

Meanwhile, whilst Europe is in a panic whether they can get enough gas supplies and the European populations are facing huge increases in their energy bills, Russia is laughing their dicks off at the panic they are causing.

 

European governments and the US should be doing everything and more to exert pressure on the wholesale markets to calm them down, this in turn would lower wholesale prices and in turn lower the price we all pay.  

 

Russia is winning this battle hands down and is in the process of destroying the entire European economy, we need to get smart here and stop this panic.

[Jeffros Furios]

1 hour ago, dobmisterdobster said:

It would of helped if we had stored gas as the Germans have as they're not getting whacked with anything like our increases .

The German ambassador was just speaking on LBC .

We've known since 2014 that Russia might be daft enough to invade Ukraine and we've prepared nothing .

Also  since 2012 we dramatically reduced funding to insulate homes which again has turned out to be a disaster .

Do you ever see any blame with the Tories ? 

 

[Konrad von Carstein]

27 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said:

It would of helped if we had stored gas as the Germans have as they're not getting whacked with anything like our increases .

The German ambassador was just speaking on LBC .

We've known since 2014 that Russia might be daft enough to invade Ukraine and we've prepared nothing .

Also  since 2012 we dramatically reduced funding to insulate homes which again has turned out to be a disaster .

Do you ever see any blame with the Tories ? 

 

Surely a rhetorical question?

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 hour ago, Jeffros Furios said:

It would of helped if we had stored gas as the Germans have as they're not getting whacked with anything like our increases .

The German ambassador was just speaking on LBC .

We've known since 2014 that Russia might be daft enough to invade Ukraine and we've prepared nothing .

Also  since 2012 we dramatically reduced funding to insulate homes which again has turned out to be a disaster .

Do you ever see any blame with the Tories ? 

 

 

Without doubts there has been massive mistakes made and little to no forward planning and that has to change, the UK has to be more energy secure, hell we have our own oil & gas supply, so maybe we need to make sure we have enough for our own domestic market first, before putting any of it on the open market.  Also what types of energy we use might have to change in the future, maybe all domestic homes might be powered soley by electric power and gas is kept for industry & power stations, I think lots of thngs will need to be looked at, once we get over this crisis.

 

Germany have also made huge mistakes, as they have put all their eggs in the Russian basket and are now completely at the whims of Vladimir Putin.  Once this is all over many countries including the UK are going to have to have a huge re-think about everything concerning their energy supplies, security, usage etc, as it's clear the current strategy has failed.

[WorldChampions1902]

Juntastic!

 

[manaliveits105]

3 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

And the single biggest factor driving the huge wholesale increases is the panic over supplies and the fear that Russia might turn the taps off. 

Meanwhile, whilst Europe is in a panic whether they can get enough gas supplies and the European populations are facing huge increases in their energy bills, Russia is laughing their dicks off at the panic they are causing.

 

European governments and the US should be doing everything and more to exert pressure on the wholesale markets to calm them down, this in turn would lower wholesale prices and in turn lower the price we all pay.  

 

Russia is winning this battle hands down and is in the process of destroying the entire European economy, we need to get smart here and stop this panic.

The media and jkb comrades thrive on panic 

[Unknown user]

13 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

The media and jkb comrades thrive on panic 

Mind you, who needs shite eating chemicals when you thrive on the stuff!

[hughesie27]

16 hours ago, Cade said:

Get smartplugs and turn everything off at the wall with your phone.

I have a couple of them I use at Xmas for tree lights. Got them in a timer. They still obviously use electricity themselves but presumably less than a TV on standby.

[OBE]

2 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Without doubts there has been massive mistakes made and little to no forward planning and that has to change, the UK has to be more energy secure, hell we have our own oil & gas supply, so maybe we need to make sure we have enough for our own domestic market first, before putting any of it on the open market.  Also what types of energy we use might have to change in the future, maybe all domestic homes might be powered soley by electric power and gas is kept for industry & power stations, I think lots of thngs will need to be looked at, once we get over this crisis.

 

Germany have also made huge mistakes, as they have put all their eggs in the Russian basket and are now completely at the whims of Vladimir Putin.  Once this is all over many countries including the UK are going to have to have a huge re-think about everything concerning their energy supplies, security, usage etc, as it's clear the current strategy has failed.

 

Russia orchestrated the failure, they've got many countries by the bawz...clever stuff.

 

[frankblack]

43 minutes ago, OBE said:

 

Russia orchestrated the failure, they've got many countries by the bawz...clever stuff.

 

 

Yet we are paying more than those despite mining oil and gas and renewables.  Someone is shafting us at Westminster.

[OBE]

10 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Yet we are paying more than those despite mining oil and gas and renewables.  Someone is shafting us at Westminster.

 

Brexit & pandemic needs financing...

[Jambo-Jimbo]

46 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Yet we are paying more than those despite mining oil and gas and renewables.  Someone is shafting us at Westminster.

 

It's probably more likely that they haven't provided all that much support to the British public compared to the amount that other European governments have done.

A few weeks back I posted a link (Financial Times?) and there was a chart which showed the amount of support each European government had given to their populations, Britain was quite far down the list, that explains why in Britain we have 80% price rises and the likes of Germany & Italy only have something like 20-25%, because their governments are picking up the tab. 

However the support/subsidies that Germany/Italy et al are giving out, will no doubts have to be paid back at some point, most likely through general taxation, I'm not sure how much of their population realise this right now.

[frankblack]

52 minutes ago, OBE said:

 

Brexit & pandemic needs financing...

 

Pandemic yes.  Stop your bullshit with Brexit

[tightrope]

20 hours ago, Gizmo said:

Look, I understand a simpleton like yourself would think along these limited, simple lines, but I hate to break it to you - its neither a novel idea nor a eureka moment.

Come back when your beloved Russian simps do the exact same thing under a slightly different name and claim it to be a bold, world-beating strategy, comrade. 

Look, no offence but this is a forum for all to express their views. So regardless of expression, is there really as my need for personal insults? We are all entitled to our opinion. 👍

[tightrope]

21 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

It's probably more likely that they haven't provided all that much support to the British public compared to the amount that other European governments have done.

A few weeks back I posted a link (Financial Times?) and there was a chart which showed the amount of support each European government had given to their populations, Britain was quite far down the list, that explains why in Britain we have 80% price rises and the likes of Germany & Italy only have something like 20-25%, because their governments are picking up the tab. 

However the support/subsidies that Germany/Italy et al are giving out, will no doubts have to be paid back at some point, most likely through general taxation, I'm not sure how much of their population realise this right now.

But in reality they are paying back money created from nothing. Borrowed fro a system that creates debt. I believe that 92% of the money owed for furlough was borrowed/created by the BOE. Owned by the Government. Different from USA where the federal reserve is owned by the illuminati.

[indianajones]

Riddled with windfarms up here. 

 

They are everywhere. How and why is the local community not getting free (or almost free) electricity? 

[frankblack]

7 minutes ago, indianajones said:

Riddled with windfarms up here. 

 

They are everywhere. How and why is the local community not getting free (or almost free) electricity? 

 

We are getting shafted.  Green levies for what return after all this time.

[frankblack]

14 minutes ago, tightrope said:

But in reality they are paying back money created from nothing. Borrowed fro a system that creates debt. I believe that 92% of the money owed for furlough was borrowed/created by the BOE. Owned by the Government. Different from USA where the federal reserve is owned by the illuminati.

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

20 minutes ago, tightrope said:

But in reality they are paying back money created from nothing. Borrowed fro a system that creates debt. I believe that 92% of the money owed for furlough was borrowed/created by the BOE. Owned by the Government. Different from USA where the federal reserve is owned by the illuminati.

 

Depends upon whose reality you believe, but as you say, you are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

[tightrope]

8 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

We are getting shafted.  Green levies for what return after all this time.

All goes to the national grid, not devolved, so we are subsidising the masses.

[tightrope]

7 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

But true

[tightrope]

2 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Depends upon whose reality you believe, but as you say, you are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

Absolutely my jambo comrade.

[joondalupjambo]

After seeing the pictures, and hearing the stories of complete destitution from Pakistan should I still be feeling sorry for the household sitting with two wages, an Audi and a Mini Cooper in the driveway and at least one holiday abroad a year in relation to them having a whinge over the pending energy prices.  

[tightrope]

6 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

After seeing the pictures, and hearing the stories of complete destitution from Pakistan should I still be feeling sorry for the household sitting with two wages, an Audi and a Mini Cooper in the driveway and at least one holiday abroad a year in relation to them having a whinge over the pending energy prices.  

If they cancelled their nuclear program, maybe they could look after the people. Not to mention the ridiculous military spending due to religious/territorial arguments with India. Yet again the poor ma suffers, just on a different level. Everyone has commitments and your example is true, they can cut back and take the hit. However, a bigger percentage of the population are not so lucky.

[frankblack]

8 minutes ago, tightrope said:

If they cancelled their nuclear program, maybe they could look after the people. Not to mention the ridiculous military spending due to religious/territorial arguments with India. Yet again the poor ma suffers, just on a different level. Everyone has commitments and your example is true, they can cut back and take the hit. However, a bigger percentage of the population are not so lucky.

 

That would be fine if there weren't homicidal maniacs in charge of superpowers on our doorstep.

 

You need to have a lie down. Then seek specialist psychiatric help.

[tightrope]

2 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

That would be fine if there weren't homicidal maniacs in charge of superpowers on our doorstep.

 

You need to have a lie down. Then seek specialist psychiatric help.

Pakistan needs to cancel their nuclear program and I need a lie down? Really?

[tightrope]

3 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

That would be fine if there weren't homicidal maniacs in charge of superpowers on our doorstep.

 

You need to have a lie down. Then seek specialist psychiatric help.

Frank, I love your posts.

[frankblack]

21 minutes ago, tightrope said:

Pakistan needs to cancel their nuclear program and I need a lie down? Really?

 

Ok.  I missed your context on that one.  Not the rest, however.   Conspiracy theorist drivel.

[WorldChampions1902]

2 hours ago, frankblack said:

Pandemic yes.  Stop your bullshit with Brexit

The FT, OBR, OECD et al have all outlined the -4% hit to the UK’s GDP as a direct result of Brexit. The UK’s recent economic performance when compared with other nations (and factoring in the impact of COVID), underlines that.

 

The FT recently said,

”The Office for Budget Responsibility, the official British forecaster, has seen no reason to change its prediction, first made in March 2020, that Brexit would ultimately reduce productivity and UK gross domestic product by 4 per cent compared with a world where the country remained inside the EU. It says that a little over half of that damage has yet to occur. That level of decline, worth about £100bn a year in lost output, would result in lost revenues for the Treasury of roughly £40bn a year. That is £40bn that might have been available to the beleaguered Johnson for the radical tax cuts demanded by the Tory right — the equivalent of 6p off the 20p in the pound basic rate of income tax.”

https://www.ft.com/content/7a209a34-7d95-47aa-91b0-bf02d4214764

 

Your “BS” accusation against the OP is completely false. Despite your denial, Brexit does need to be paid for. 

[tightrope]

1 hour ago, frankblack said:

 

Ok.  I missed your context on that one.  Not the rest, however.   Conspiracy theorist drivel.

Pakistans nuclear program and military spending is not a conspiracy.

[Cade]

Considering the number of food banks in the UK, perhaps the UK should cancel its nuclear weapons programme and feed its citizens instead

 

[tightrope]

1 minute ago, Cade said:

Considering the number of food banks in the UK, perhaps the UK should cancel its nuclear weapons programme and feed its citizens instead

 

Can't do that...we might lose our oh so important veto

[William H. Bonney]

6 minutes ago, Cade said:

Considering the number of food banks in the UK, perhaps the UK should cancel its nuclear weapons programme and feed its citizens instead

 

 

Or we could fire them all at the kremlin, steal their gas and vodka and live happily ever after. 

[manaliveits105]

3 minutes ago, William H. Bonney said:

 

Or we could fire them all at the kremlin, steal their gas and vodka and live happily ever after. 

At last some sense 

[Nookie Bear]

18 minutes ago, Cade said:

Considering the number of food banks in the UK, perhaps the UK should cancel its nuclear weapons programme and feed its citizens instead

 

Sometimes the best solution is the most obvious one. 

[The Mighty Thor]

38 minutes ago, Cade said:

Considering the number of food banks in the UK, perhaps the UK should cancel its nuclear weapons programme and feed its citizens instead

 

We're Global Britain dontcha know?

 

No time for worrying about the plebs when there's a chance to play Billy Big baws under Uncle Sam's petticoat. 

Traflgar, Nelson, two world wars and one world cup. Marvellous.

[Unknown user]

5 hours ago, frankblack said:

 

Pandemic yes.  Stop your bullshit with Brexit

 

What bullshit with brexit?

[The Real Maroonblood]

31 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

We're Global Britain dontcha know?

 

No time for worrying about the plebs when there's a chance to play Billy Big baws under Uncle Sam's petticoat. 

Traflgar, Nelson, two world wars and one world cup. Marvellous.

Rule Britannia as well.

[frankblack]

15 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

What bullshit with brexit?

 

The usual lazy crap you read on here.

 

Its all Brexit's fault for Putin invading Ukraine etc.  Tiresome nonsense.

[frankblack]

2 hours ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

The FT, OBR, OECD et al have all outlined the -4% hit to the UK’s GDP as a direct result of Brexit. The UK’s recent economic performance when compared with other nations (and factoring in the impact of COVID), underlines that.

 

The FT recently said,

”The Office for Budget Responsibility, the official British forecaster, has seen no reason to change its prediction, first made in March 2020, that Brexit would ultimately reduce productivity and UK gross domestic product by 4 per cent compared with a world where the country remained inside the EU. It says that a little over half of that damage has yet to occur. That level of decline, worth about £100bn a year in lost output, would result in lost revenues for the Treasury of roughly £40bn a year. That is £40bn that might have been available to the beleaguered Johnson for the radical tax cuts demanded by the Tory right — the equivalent of 6p off the 20p in the pound basic rate of income tax.”

https://www.ft.com/content/7a209a34-7d95-47aa-91b0-bf02d4214764

 

Your “BS” accusation against the OP is completely false. Despite your denial, Brexit does need to be paid for. 

 

Conclusion shopping for posts before a pandemic and war in Europe are irrelevant.  Desperate stuff and way off topic.

[Unknown user]

9 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

The usual lazy crap you read on here.

 

Its all Brexit's fault for Putin invading Ukraine etc.  Tiresome nonsense.

 

I haven't seen much of that, dismissing the possibility that it's had a big effect seems pretty ridiculous though.

Edited August 27, 2022 by Smithee

[frankblack]

3 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

I haven't seen much of that, dismissing the possibility that it's had a big effect seems pretty ridiculous though.

 

I'm not dismissing it completely but big effect?  Not compared to the other factors.

[Section Q]

The battle field that is Ukraine will continue to be backed by the west until the last man,"Ukrainian" is standing. The amount of money generated through this war is huge, and a convenient excuse for gas increases. No coincidence that power costs rise as we're buying electric cars. All part of the masterplan.....