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[heartgarfunkel]

2 minutes ago, D4nny_ said:

This.

 

Hibs will be the happier team tonight.

They will. That is why they are the weeteam.

[D4nny_]

Just now, heartgarfunkel said:

They will. That is why they are the weeteam.

Almost feel like a defeat in that sense though!

[tolcross lad]

19 minutes ago, gowestjambo said:

 

Being 12 points ahead of Hibs and not hammering them does not put down a marker. In fact it suggests the opposite. This was an opportunity missed. Yes we should have had two pens, but once again we played too deep, and allowed them easy possession.

Winning in the SPFL is very difficult when you have players only marginally better than the opposition.This was a derby away from home and this was a good result.

[heartgarfunkel]

Just now, tolcross lad said:

Winning in the SPFL is very difficult when you have players only marginally better than the opposition.This was a derby away from home and this was a good result.

 

Agree. And unlucky not to win with a makeshift defence, two disallowed pens, and a ref who was on a mission to give them every chance he could.

[JamboGraham]

3 minutes ago, D4nny_ said:

Hibs will be the happier team tonight.

 

12 points behind.

 

No wins from the last 4 league matches.

 

1 derby win from the last 7.

 

If they are genuinely ‘happier’ tonight then no Jambo should have the slightest concern about that.

 

 

[Bazzas right boot]

30 minutes ago, gowestjambo said:

 

Being 12 points ahead of Hibs and not hammering them does not put down a marker. In fact it suggests the opposite. This was an opportunity missed. Yes we should have had two pens, but once again we played too deep, and allowed them easy possession.

 

 

The opposite? 

Did we remove the markers? 

 

Played too deep? 

Easy possession? 

 

You on the sherbet dib dabs? 

 

 

 

[heartgarfunkel]

Looked like Caldwell was giving Neilson snash at the end.  Robert seemed unperturbed.

[D4nny_]

Just now, JamboGraham said:

 

12 points behind.

 

No wins from the last 4 league matches.

 

1 derby win from the last 7.

 

If they are genuinely ‘happier’ tonight then no Jambo should have the slightest concern about that.

 

 

They will be. Playing poor and getting a draw against the Jambos at home.

 

The happier team going away from tonight’s game for sure, league position aside!

[JamboGraham]

1 minute ago, D4nny_ said:

They will be. Playing poor and getting a draw against the Jambos at home.

 

The happier team going away from tonight’s game for sure, league position aside!

 

I hope they enjoy the parade...

[Tazio]

8 minutes ago, heartgarfunkel said:

Looked like Caldwell was giving Neilson snash at the end.  Robert seemed unperturbed.

Bob’s got the air of one of those blokes if you got into a Barney with he’d very calmly tell you he was going to **** you up. And then do it. 

[heartgarfunkel]

1 minute ago, Tazio said:

Bob’s got the air of one of those blokes if you got into a Barney with he’d very calmly tell you he was going to **** you up. And then do it. 

Quite.  Has the whiff of the leader of a band of early medieval Scandinavian sea-raiders about him.

[Section Q]

Can't deny Neilson wears his heart on his sleeve in these games......👍

[Byyy The Light]

A couple around tonight moaning about Neilson. Not very vocal these days

[Watt-Zeefuik]

1 hour ago, gowestjambo said:

 

Being 12 points ahead of Hibs and not hammering them does not put down a marker. In fact it suggests the opposite. This was an opportunity missed. Yes we should have had two pens, but once again we played too deep, and allowed them easy possession.

We had 54% possession, more passes, a higher pass completion rate, more shots on target, and a much higher percentage of time in their final third. What part of their possession was easy?

 

We played deep for a spell because our makeshift defence needed help from the midfield. We settled that and started harassing their forwards from then on.

[Factuer Moi]

We should of scored the goals to win the match, had decisions go against Us. Robbie has to take it on the chin like we do, leading the way. Crap result. We go again V Rangers.

[Pasquale for King]

Not sure what’s worse the managers frankly awful record against these ***** or the acceptance of mediocrity. He just won’t take us where we want to go.  

[Scott Leitch]

41 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Not sure what’s worse the managers frankly awful record against these ***** or the acceptance of mediocrity. He just won’t take us where we want to go.  

Bang on. Stevie Wonder could see we were screaming out for Haring but he refused to bring him on until the 90th min. 

 

Is that 1 in 9 (in 90 mins)he has beaten them? 

[McCrae]

8 hours ago, Tazio said:

Serious question. How many years does it take to become experienced? 

I don’t think you can just put a number on it, it is not just about time served, it’s also relates to what you have done.

 

Managing in Europe.. RN is a rookie

Managing in SPFL…. Novice.

[Bazzas right boot]

6 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

Not sure what’s worse the managers frankly awful record against these ***** or the acceptance of mediocrity. He just won’t take us where we want to go.  

 

He's taking us to third. 

Only the moon howlers think that's not good enough. 

Only losers would use hibs as a measure of success. 

 

 

At least when Hearts don't win you have a good night, bet you can't wait until Ibrox. 

 

[MTS1874]

14 minutes ago, Bazzas right boot said:

 

He's taking us to third. 

Only the moon howlers think that's not good enough. 

Only losers would use hibs as a measure of success. 

 

 

At least when Hearts don't win you have a good night, bet you can't wait until Ibrox. 

 

[damo]

 

6 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

Not sure what’s worse the managers frankly awful record against these ***** or the acceptance of mediocrity. He just won’t take us where we want to go.  

Can you suggest someone who could do better with the squad we have ?

[MrBones]

6 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

Not sure what’s worse the managers frankly awful record against these ***** or the acceptance of mediocrity. He just won’t take us where we want to go.  

Could be better but it's not that awful, and he did beat Hibs in a cup semi final just 2 years ago before narrowly losing the final, whilst in the championship.

 

If we get into Europe after first season back in the top league, that where I want to go. Not sure who's going to do better

 

 

[gowestjambo]

8 hours ago, Led Tasso said:

We had 54% possession, more passes, a higher pass completion rate, more shots on target, and a much higher percentage of time in their final third. What part of their possession was easy?

 

We played deep for a spell because our makeshift defence needed help from the midfield. We settled that and started harassing their forwards from then on.

 

The first 25 minutes where we handed them the initiative to attack. They were expecting a doing, and we did not put them on the back foot from the start. This is a theme of us starting slowly which needs to be addressed.

[Stu_HMFC]

9 hours ago, heartgarfunkel said:

Looked like Caldwell was giving Neilson snash at the end.  Robert seemed unperturbed.

Robbie would leather that twat.

[Gimme an H...]

Robbie can’t win with some people.

 

”He should’ve brought Haring on earlier” 🤣🤣 gies peace we had about 95% possession the 2nd half.

 

Were still in transition from a championship team, we’re never going to be challenging the OF yet. Third is as good as it gets for us just now and frankly we’re performing above expectations and 10 points clear - anyone see that coming this time last season?

 

You can’t come on here and be moaning that Robbie isn’t the man to take us to the next level when he’s up against teams who can spend £5m on players in January or sign international players on loan from Juve. Until we are able to do that you can’t compare apples and oranges.

 

Theres folk on this board who just can’t wait to jump on his back after dropping points with the “I told you so’s…” it’s pathetic.

[Gimme an H...]

12 minutes ago, Stu_HMFC said:

Robbie would leather that twat.

I think when Robbie shook hands with Maloney something went on there…looked like Maloney half arsed the hand shake and ****ed off to get the champagne out and Robbie shouted something after him and Caldwell looked like he was explaining what Maloney was up to.

[Stu_HMFC]

2 minutes ago, Gimme an H... said:

I think when Robbie shook hands with Maloney something went on there…looked like Maloney half arsed the hand shake and ****ed off to get the champagne out and Robbie shouted something after him and Caldwell looked like he was explaining what Maloney was up to.

I suppose Maloney just won his first Edinburgh Derby 0.0 so it was a cause to celebrate. 

 

Maloney is a Knob! How could anyone take him serious with that accent the face and the height.

[rory78]

Neilson is on 2 wins in 10 Edinburgh derbies probably the worst record of any managers we have had in a long long time,yeah we should've had a couple of pens but it was also another big game we started slowly like v Rangers and Celtic recently - if we start sluggishly on Sunday the game will be over after 10 minutes 

[Balaclava]

There were some horrendous takes from people who obviously had too many beers and were emotional.

 

We are sitting well clear in third. Go there with a makeshift defence, their keeper gets motm, no shot on target until the Nisbet chance and we have 2 stonewall penalties denied. 
 

This was a scrappy derby with a lot of our players in key positions experiencing it for the first time. It’s not a bad result at all, no teams below us gained anything last night and we are one step closer to Third and European football.

[Pasquale for King]

9 hours ago, Scott Leitch said:

Bang on. Stevie Wonder could see we were screaming out for Haring but he refused to bring him on until the 90th min. 

 

Is that 1 in 9 (in 90 mins)he has beaten them? 

Yeah one win, two overall where we’ve scored a penalty and they’ve missed one. Haring on in the 91sr minute to shore up the midfield. 
As usual blame the ref to deflect attention from his own shortcomings. 

[GinRummy]

Shit happens but folk saying a draw against hibs is a good result are completely wrong. Hearts beat hibs, anything else is a bad result. 

[Pasquale for King]

3 hours ago, damo said:

 

Can you suggest someone who could do better with the squad we have ?

Not my job but most managers would do better with the talent that has been assembled, you think he’s getting the best of the squad? 

[Pasquale for King]

8 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Shit happens but folk saying a draw against hibs is a good result are completely wrong. Hearts beat hibs, anything else is a bad result. 

Exactly 

[Gimme an H...]

5 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Yeah one win, two overall where we’ve scored a penalty and they’ve missed one. Haring on in the 91sr minute to shore up the midfield. 
As usual blame the ref to deflect attention from his own shortcomings. 

 

How does his overall record compare with our other managers?

 

Because judging a manager on his ability to take us to the next level based on his record against Hibs alone would be a wee bit daft wouldn't it?

[Pasquale for King]

3 hours ago, MrBones said:

Could be better but it's not that awful, and he did beat Hibs in a cup semi final just 2 years ago before narrowly losing the final, whilst in the championship.

 

If we get into Europe after first season back in the top league, that where I want to go. Not sure who's going to do better

 

 

Yes and he lost to Hibs when they were in the Championship, two lucky wins against them in 9 games where they missed a penalty and we scored one isn’t good enough. If it wasn’t for screamers by Nicholson, Ozturk and Walker his record would be even worse. 

[Gimme an H...]

7 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Shit happens but folk saying a draw against hibs is a good result are completely wrong. Hearts beat hibs, anything else is a bad result. 

Anyone thinking a draw against Hibs is a good result is wrong - but you can't win every game. No team does.

[GinRummy]

1 minute ago, Gimme an H... said:

Anyone thinking a draw against Hibs is a good result is wrong - but you can't win every game. No team does.

No denying that. I’m not furious we drew with Hibs but it’s a poor result. 

[Pasquale for King]

1 minute ago, Gimme an H... said:

 

How does his overall record compare with our other managers?

 

Because judging a manager on his ability to take us to the next level based on his record against Hibs alone would be a wee bit daft wouldn't it?

You can’t compete his record to the others when two of the seasons were in the lower division. 
His record against Hibs gives an insight into how limited his tactics and motivational skills are. 
Do we ever come out of the blocks quickly against them, or anyone?

[busbyfth]

How many times must we get steamrollered in a first half before our manager changes things at half time once he has gauged the opposing gameplan and noted our failings  ? We are invariably slow out the traps against the bigger teams and especially away from home,,,,,sooner or later these teams will utilise their fast starts (and our bad first halves) to rack up a few goals - too many to claw back . Its not the NFL Robbie....get a game plan correct to start an away match please. 

[busbyfth]

9 hours ago, Scott Leitch said:

Bang on. Stevie Wonder could see we were screaming out for Haring but he refused to bring him on until the 90th min. 

 

Is that 1 in 9 (in 90 mins)he has beaten them? 

Harings been our most consistent player over the last few weeks. Very solid player - Cochrane and Woodburn coming on earlier was lunacy

[Voice of reason]

1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said:

Yes and he lost to Hibs when they were in the Championship, two lucky wins against them in 9 games where they missed a penalty and we scored one isn’t good enough. If it wasn’t for screamers by Nicholson, Ozturk and Walker his record would be even worse. 

Two unlucky draws against Hibs this season or his record would be better. This game is easy to play. Neilson is doing a very good job. Again.

 

He will get sacked at some point, virtually all managers do, but trying to create a case for him to go when he’s hitting all reasonable targets is silly. Bide your time and you’ll get your wish eventually.

 

I was told by my Hibs friends at this time last year that we’d go straight back down, Hibs would destroy us, the gulf between the Championship and the Premiership was greater than I could ever imagine etc. and Hibs would challenge for the title this season. They are now celebrating a lucky draw at home against us and being 12 points behind us. It’s good progress.

 

I also found it interesting that our three January signings all started yesterday and all were very good. Hibs 8 new signings not so evident. Hearts are doing a lot of things well just now. Well done all involved in the football department and especially Robbie.

 

[Gimme an H...]

7 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

You can’t compete his record to the others when two of the seasons were in the lower division. 
His record against Hibs gives an insight into how limited his tactics and motivational skills are. 
Do we ever come out of the blocks quickly against them, or anyone?

 

Obviously I'm only asking you to compare his top flight stats...

 

Derbies are different from other games - anything can happen. 

 

Do you honestly (I mean really, honestly) think that Robbie sends the players out to start the game slowly and on the back foot?

 

We had more than enough chances to win the game last night and the players didn't take them.

 

We dominated that second half. In the games we've started slowly we've more often than not came out in the second half and dominated/played much better. Take it Robbie's half time team talks has nothing to do with that?

 

 

[Pasquale for King]

1 minute ago, Voice of reason said:

Two unlucky draws against Hibs this season or his record would be better. This game is easy to play. Neilson is doing a very good job. Again.

 

He will get sacked at some point, virtually all managers do, but trying to create a case for him to go when he’s hitting all reasonable targets is silly. Bide your time and you’ll get your wish eventually.

 

I was told by my Hibs friends at this time last year that we’d go straight back down, Hibs would destroy us, the gulf between the Championship and the Premiership was greater than I could ever imagine etc. and Hibs would challenge for the title this season. They are now celebrating a lucky draw at home against us and being 12 points behind us. It’s good progress.

 

I also found it interesting that our three January signings all started yesterday and all were very good. Hibs 8 new signings not so evident. Hearts are doing a lot of things well just now. Well done all involved in the football department and especially Robbie.

 

The point is that the club and its ambitions will outgrow this coaching team, he will eventually hold us back. 
Who cares what Hibs fans think really?

[davemclaren]

Third, if we achieve it, isn’t mediocre. A club’s performance is judged over a season not individual games. 

 

To say Robbie’s wins against Hibs were down to lucky penalties or goals is just the same as saying last night’s draw was unlucky due to the non award of penalties. It’s how the breaks in football works. 
 

 

[Pasquale for King]

2 minutes ago, Gimme an H... said:

 

Obviously I'm only asking you to compare his top flight stats...

 

Derbies are different from other games - anything can happen. 

 

Do you honestly (I mean really, honestly) think that Robbie sends the players out to start the game slowly and on the back foot?

 

We had more than enough chances to win the game last night and the players didn't take them.

 

We dominated that second half. In the games we've started slowly we've more often than not came out in the second half and dominated/played much better. Take it Robbie's half time team talks has nothing to do with that?

 

 

You’ve contradicted yourself there, you want to give him credit for a half time team talk but not criticise him for not getting them motivated at the start.

Whether he sends the team out to contain the opposition until around 60 minutes when they tire then make subs to try and win(he said this after his first derby win) or he demands that they go out and get at it from the start , he’s either negative or he can’t motivate the team, both damning in my view. 
Why do you think we start so badly? 
As for his stats comparing him to shite managers makes him look great, having us in third isn’t actually pulling up trees is it?

[Big John Colquhoun]

Robbie’s a safe pair of hands, puts solid teams together that get results. League position is as good as anyone could have expected. He’s doing well. That said:

 

Aberdeen and Hibs are as poor as they’ve been for a while. We’ve got the third best squad in the league so being third shouldn’t be a massive surprise. This squad, compared to the others in the league, was well capable of it.

 

We play solid, defensively sound football and grind teams down. It gets results and if you’re unquestioningly happy with that, fair enough.

 

Me, I’d like to see us try to play better football, play a less defensive system with less defensive players on the pitch. I think we’re capable of that with the players we have without sacrificing results and league position. I’m not saying sack Neilson, of course that would be ridiculous but it’s not a crime to think better is possible.

[Pasquale for King]

2 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

Third, if we achieve it, isn’t mediocre. A club’s performance is judged over a season not individual games. 

 

To say Robbie’s wins against Hibs were down to lucky penalties or goals is just the same as saying last night’s draw was unlucky due to the non award of penalties. It’s how the breaks in football works. 
 

 

Don’t think anyone has said it’s mediocre, nothing special though. 
Teams missing penalties isn’t lucky at all, part and parcel eh. 

[Pasquale for King]

2 minutes ago, Big John Colquhoun said:

Robbie’s a safe pair of hands, puts solid teams together that get results. League position is as good as anyone could have expected. He’s doing well. That said:

 

Aberdeen and Hibs are as poor as they’ve been for a while. We’ve got the third best squad in the league so being third shouldn’t be a massive surprise. This squad, compared to the others in the league, was well capable of it.

 

We play solid, defensively sound football and grind teams down. It gets results and if you’re unquestioningly happy with that, fair enough.

 

Me, I’d like to see us try to play better football, play a less defensive system with less defensive players on the pitch. I think we’re capable of that with the players we have without sacrificing results and league position. I’m not saying sack Neilson, of course that would be ridiculous but it’s not a crime to think better is possible.

Well said, I’m not even sure we’re that sound defensively considering how many shots CG faces and saves.

[benny]

He has done well in the league as a manager.

Looks like he is going to get another top 3 finish with us.

[Malinga the Swinga]

10 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

The point is that the club and its ambitions will outgrow this coaching team, he will eventually hold us back. 
Who cares what Hibs fans think really?

Who cares what you think? Not many I'd say. Neilson pissing you off by having us in third is most amusing as is watching to our desperation get worse with each result.

You must have been gutted when Sibbick cleared CV off line at the end. You'd have had your 'we lost' post all ready to go, but I'm sure you've saved it for later in season.

Pathetic from a so called supporter.