Souttar signs pre-contract with Rangers (Super Thread)

[Thomaso]

2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

It isn’t allowed down there but anyone challenging it would win as it’s illegal. 

Why don’t they then? 

[Fozzyonthefence]

3 minutes ago, VALDOS' said:

What higher level though? He wasn't getting a move to the EPL

True, nobody in the EPL appeared to want him. He will be playing at a higher level though, he’ll be playing in the Champions League next season. That’s clearly a much higher level than the English Championship. Although if talking about leagues, the English Championship is a higher standard than SPFL. 

[OTT]

Just now, Pasquale for King said:

It’s the law there’s nothing these idiots can or would do about it as it’s suits their two favourite teams. 

 

My understanding from other posters is that domestically it can be prohibited. I.e nothing the league can do about freedom of contract, but they can prohibit members agreeing precontract deals among domestic clubs. Admittedly, it wasn't something I was aware of before today, so hopefully there is something about it so this carry on can be stopped going forward. 

[Japan Jambo]

13 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said:

Most on here have a real team and a plastic English team don’t they?  Or watch the likes of Edinburgh City or Bonnyrigg when Hearts aren’t playing. 

 

I don't have an English team but I did adopt a Japanese one while I was there. If your point is that it's normal for professional footballers to have multiple clubs they support/have affinity for then I'm 100% in agreement.

 

FWIW I don't think CL wishes any harm to Hearts, indeed I sincerely believe he wishes us well. His comments today though were at a minimum clumsy from a best interests of Hearts perspective - in the context of defending Souttar/doing a job as a pundit though I understand them, even though I don't like them. 

[Thomaso]

2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

It’s the law there’s nothing these idiots can or would do about it as it’s suits their two favourite teams. 

It’s not the law in the EPL

[Pasquale for King]

Just now, Thomaso said:

Why don’t they then? 

Who knows, ask the English Players union. It’s the law, simple as that. 

[Fire_At_The_Disco]

The boys a Rat 🐀and Leveins a Rat 🐀as well. 
 

 

 

[OTT]

1 minute ago, Thomaso said:

Why don’t they then? 

 

 I'm sure per the SPFLs rules if they did institute this change, any legal challenge would be bound by arbitration which from our own experience looks to be a kangaroo court heavily weighted in the governing bodies favour. 

[Factuer Moi]

35 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

Haven't a clue what you are saying.

 

21 minutes ago, Portable Badger said:

It was quoted that our CEO neared a cardiac when he was told how much we’d offered Raticus to sign a new contract at Hearts. 

A very lucrative contract with options to leave if the right offer was difficult to reject. We knew back in November that the contract offer to extend was a No No, 

[Pasquale for King]

Just now, OTT said:

 

My understanding from other posters is that domestically it can be prohibited. I.e nothing the league can do about freedom of contract, but they can prohibit members agreeing precontract deals among domestic clubs. Admittedly, it wasn't something I was aware of before today, so hopefully there is something about it so this carry on can be stopped going forward. 

If it was challenged in court it would be changed, organisations really shouldn’t make their members do things that are illegal. 

[Samuel Camazzola]

3 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

There were other reasons he left, his love of money being one. 

Not fancying what was coming into the club and having his position looking not very certain in the near future a couple of others. 

[Pasquale for King]

3 minutes ago, Fire_At_The_Disco said:

The boys a Rat 🐀and Leveins a Rat 🐀as well. 
 

 

 

Indeed they are. 

[Pasquale for King]

Just now, Samuel Camazzola said:

Not fancying what was coming into the club and having his position looking not very certain in the near future a couple of others. 

Yeah there were a few. 

[Japan Jambo]

32 minutes ago, Samuel Camazzola said:

I'm glad Craig was given the go ahead to reveal the reasons for JS staying in Scotland. I had heard the story a couple of weeks ago and that Hearts were aware of his intentions. I didn't want to quote anything as it was 2nd hand info and of a personal nature. 

 

JS has did nothing wrong and was well within his rights to secure a contract he felt was right for him and his family. The financial package is very lucrative which given his history, could quite easily be his last. 

 

The ones at fault in the whole situation (as well as Tony Watt's) are the SPFL who allow for same league pre-contracts to be signed. This could easily have been avoided if they had adopted the had followed the rules used in many other leagues. 

 

There is a lot I'd lay at Doncaster's door but even I'm struggling to pin this on him. By all means they could take a look at it but at the end of the day the decent way to handle this was a three way agreement between the three parties involved - from where I sit only two parties get what they want out of this.

[Pasquale for King]

5 minutes ago, Thomaso said:

It’s not the law in the EPL

The EPL or any FA don’t make laws or can legally contravene them, it’s illegal. 

[Pasquale for King]

39 minutes ago, Samuel Camazzola said:

I'm glad Craig was given the go ahead to reveal the reasons for JS staying in Scotland. I had heard the story a couple of weeks ago and that Hearts were aware of his intentions. I didn't want to quote anything as it was 2nd hand info and of a personal nature. 

 

JS has did nothing wrong and was well within his rights to secure a contract he felt was right for him and his family. The financial package is very lucrative which given his history, could quite easily be his last. 

 

The ones at fault in the whole situation (as well as Tony Watt's) are the SPFL who allow for same league pre-contracts to be signed. This could easily have been avoided if they had adopted the had followed the rules used in many other leagues. 

What other leagues don’t allow it apart from England?

[luckydug]

56 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said:

This rumour about the ill family member was on here a couple of days ago before he signed the pre contract.    It would be pretty sick if he was making that up.  

I've no doubt it's true and I hope JS and his family all the best in

this case. 

However JS and his agent have handled this pre contract business dreadfully. 

I believe Hearts offered to double his wages and surely if his primary concern was being close at hand for his sick relative he would have decided to stay where he is with a gentleman's agreement to move when a good offer came in. 

As it is if Sevco do agree to take him now he could be travelling around Europe playing football at a time when his sick relative needs him. 

 

 

[Silverwolf]

17 minutes ago, chrystaf said:

As with many things, we don't know the whole story.  And with all forums, many will form their own opinion regardless.

I've no reason to doubt what CL has revealed, but again many on here will rightly wonder why it came from him. And many will also wonder why, in the circumstances he did not just sign a new contract with us.

However a footballer's life is short and especially when one has a record of serious injuries.

John has rightly put himself and his family first....as would anyone on here.

Yes, the whole situation has been badly handled but how about showing him just a bit of understanding, if nor compassion.  Let's not descend to the level of the scum from the west....we're Heart of Midlothian and above that vitriol.

I'll now await all the caustic replies.

 

No criticism from me. Needed to be said. 

[OldGorgie]

24 minutes ago, Japan Jambo said:

FWIW I don't think CL wishes any harm to Hearts, indeed I sincerely believe he wishes us well. His comments today though were at a minimum clumsy from a best interests of Hearts perspective - in the context of defending Souttar/doing a job as a pundit though I understand them, even though I don't like them. 

Thanks for clearing that up Craig.

[Japan Jambo]

Just now, OldGorgie said:

Thanks for clearing that up Craig.

 

🤣

[kingantti1874]

Every decision in life comes with consequences.  His personal issues are a shame for John Souttar but he will have to take the abuse that’s coming his way becuase it’s a shame for hearts to lose a huge asset for nothing, after years of support for that asset.

 

I wish for the best for his family member.. but he is a rangers player, now a stinking  imposter in a hearts shirt. 

 

if rangers want to protect their player they will pay up to protect him.  Or maybe they don’t want John as much as he’d like to think.

 

Hes their problem now

Edited January 16, 2022 by kingantti1874

[Samuel Camazzola]

18 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

What other leagues don’t allow it apart from England?

Netherlands and Portugal have it I believe. Not sure what the status is in Italy, Spain and Germany these days. I may have it wrong but think Lewandowski had tied up a move to Bayern from Dortmund on one. Things may have changed there though... 

[jock _turd]

I think people need to get over this event! Someone is lined up for a job earning more than they presently do with the possibility of not only progressing their career but maybe winning something... and people are calling him out ! What world do these people live in?  Ask yourself the question " if this was anything other than football you were in his position what would you do?" Then answer this question as a professional what is your sole objective in terms of that profession? 

I am a Hearts supporter but I am not about to lose my shite over a player rightly trying to do the right thing for himself.

[Samuel Camazzola]

33 minutes ago, chrystaf said:

As with many things, we don't know the whole story.  And with all forums, many will form their own opinion regardless.

I've no reason to doubt what CL has revealed, but again many on here will rightly wonder why it came from him. And many will also wonder why, in the circumstances he did not just sign a new contract with us.

However a footballer's life is short and especially when one has a record of serious injuries.

John has rightly put himself and his family first....as would anyone on here.

Yes, the whole situation has been badly handled but how about showing him just a bit of understanding, if nor compassion.  Let's not descend to the level of the scum from the west....we're Heart of Midlothian and above that vitriol.

I'll now await all the caustic replies.

 

👍 

[kingantti1874]

4 minutes ago, jock _turd said:

I think people need to get over this event! Someone is lined up for a job earning more than they presently do with the possibility of not only progressing their career but maybe winning something... and people are calling him out ! What world do these people live in?  Ask yourself the question " if this was anything other than football you were in his position what would you do?" Then answer this question as a professional what is your sole objective in terms of that profession? 

I am a Hearts supporter but I am not about to lose my shite over a player rightly trying to do the right thing for himself.

agree entirely. I’d have done the same as John 100% 

 

Id also be clever enough the expect abuse.. he’s a rangers player, who wants to be at rangers..

 

if they want to protect their player they will pay to spare him what’s coming

Edited January 16, 2022 by kingantti1874

[Poseidon]

1 hour ago, Boris said:

Could be one of John's in-laws?

 

Regardless, the info re health of relative is kind of irrelevant Vis a Vis playing for us. It may well have influenced who he signed for pre contract, but as far as his situation for rest of the season...

It's a brother of both of theirs 

[Walter Bishop]

3 hours ago, Rudi Hates Hibees said:

His half brother has MND. 

I wondered if it was that, he always shares the club posts supporting mnd Scotland and appears to be very active at raising awareness. Horrible disease. 😢

[Trajan]

Those defending Souttar are yet to explain why he couldn't do the decent, loyal thing by us and sign a year's extension on improved terms, thereby improving our stance on getting a decent transfer fee. You know, like club legends, Craig Gordon and Rudi Skacel, did. 

 

But then I suspect Souttar and McNamara wouldn't have gotten the same sign on bonus as they have now.

[OldGorgie]

46 minutes ago, chrystaf said:

As with many things, we don't know the whole story.  And with all forums, many will form their own opinion regardless.

I've no reason to doubt what CL has revealed, but again many on here will rightly wonder why it came from him. And many will also wonder why, in the circumstances he did not just sign a new contract with us.

However a footballer's life is short and especially when one has a record of serious injuries.

John has rightly put himself and his family first....as would anyone on here.

Yes, the whole situation has been badly handled but how about showing him just a bit of understanding, if nor compassion.  Let's not descend to the level of the scum from the west....we're Heart of Midlothian and above that vitriol.

I'll now await all the caustic replies.

 

Yes but many in his position would at least given even a casual thought to helping a club that stood by him through potentially career breaking injuries. Instead he simply jumped on the Ayebroke bandwagon and didn’t give Hearts or the support a second thought. 

[pablo]

Why did he even bother going South to talk to the English clubs then? If that did actually happen of course. 

 

Souttar could have left Hearts on better terms while moving to Rangers if he'd wanted to do that. A half brother with MND is irrelevant to that.

 

I heard Levein on the radio today. He actually said he's a Heart of Midlothian supporter AND a John John Souttar supporter. That was his opening gambit.

 

He's not really a Hearts fan, not like Gary Locke or Gary Mackay are. It's always obvious every time he opens his mouth. He's not from here, he's never been one of us. He backed the Pieman FFS. Man's always been a wank.p

[argyjambo]

20 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

Every decision in life comes with consequences.  His personal issues are a shame for John Souttar but he will have to take the abuse that’s coming his way becuase it’s a shame for hearts to lose a huge asset for nothing, after years of support for that asset.

 

I wish for the best for his family member.. but he is a rangers player, now a stinking  imposter in a hearts shirt. 

 

if rangers want to protect their player they will pay up to protect him.  Or maybe they don’t want John as much as he’d like to think.

 

Hes their problem now

The thing is, all those who are dishing out the abuse, would never ever have the stones to abuse John Souttar to his face. It's interesting they use the terms snake rat & Dopey when these terms apply  more to them.

[iansmith]

Fuc k n snake

On 04/05/2021 at 13:58, Nessjambo67 said:

Makes for an interesting game all to play for 2 massive clubs hope for CP sake they stay up think Derby May do it especially with home advantage. Not been great for ex jambos re relegation Sam Nicholson’s Bristol rovers relegated to league 2 and it’s probably the end fir big Uche in the championship too as Wycombe have such a poor goal difference 

 

On 01/08/2021 at 20:53, davie1980 said:

 

Yeah, I was only kidding about Valois and De Vreis.

 

 

But agreed on the rest. The general rule is you'd expect most to improve after a debut, acclimatising to their surroundings, gaining match fitness, getting used to their teams style, managers philosophy and pace of the game in a new country etc.

 

But there are plenty of examples of exceptions to that rule

 

On 19/12/2021 at 15:33, jock _turd said:

 

We are third in the league anybody who thinks we could be doing better with the players we have should stop sniffing whatever they are sniffing 🤣   It is the way it is we and all the other teams in the league are well behind Rangers and Celtic it will take a massive change in playing staff to get us challenging them.

 

[Factuer Moi]

1 minute ago, pablo said:

Why did he even bother going South to talk to the English clubs then? If that did actually happen of course. 

 

Souttar could have left Hearts on better terms while moving to Rangers if he'd wanted to do that. A half brother with MND is irrelevant to that.

 

I heard Levein on the radio today. He actually said he's a Heart of Midlothian supporter AND a John John Souttar supporter. That was his opening gambit.

 

He's not really a Hearts fan, not like Gary Locke or Gary Mackay are. It's always obvious every time he opens his mouth. He's not from here, he's never been one of us. He backed the Pieman FFS. Man's always been a wank.p

Since the day he threw a sicky in Dundee he has and always will be a

[kingantti1874]

So did he just talk to championship clubs to drive up the salary offered by the huns? I’m curious which championship club would have afforded John the chance to compete for trophies.

 

I wish him well in his personal life,  I wish his brother well in his fight with that horrible disease.

 

but his personal life and professional life are 2 different things.  He’s fair game IMO.

 

as I said above.. do rangers want to pony up some of the Paterson fee to protect their new player..

 

[GinRummy]

Just now, argyjambo said:

The thing is, all those who are dishing out the abuse, would never ever have the stones to abuse John Souttar to his face. It's interesting they use the terms snake rat & Dopey when these terms apply  more to them.

OMG. So what!! Which other rangers players have you defended today. Hearts means absolutely **** all to John Souttar. What are your motives for defending the cardboard kneed hun? Motives seem to be that he’s tougher than some hearts fans, which doesn’t make any sense. 

[Factuer Moi]

5 minutes ago, argyjambo said:

The thing is, all those who are dishing out the abuse, would never ever have the stones to abuse John Souttar to his face. It's interesting they use the terms snake rat & Dopey when these terms apply  more to them.

My Catty is aimed right at your napper

[kingantti1874]

3 minutes ago, argyjambo said:

The thing is, all those who are dishing out the abuse, would never ever have the stones to abuse John Souttar to his face. It's interesting they use the terms snake rat & Dopey when these terms apply  more to them.

Sorry I don’t think it’s relevant.. 

 

of course you wouldn’t proactively abuse the man in public..  

 

but a rangers player parading around within the confines of tynecastle pretending he wants to be there? No! He’s fair game in that setting..

[briever]

2 hours ago, Jamstomorrow said:

I don't know if it has been mentioned already, but is HMFC policy not to rear players and sell them on for big bucks?   

You cannot really blame a professional player for looking for a big pay day for what might be a relatively short-term career, especially one with a history of injury.   

 

I am just mega-disappointed he has opted to go to rankgers rather than down south somewhere. . . .   anywhere!

 

Right at the beginning most fans were cool about him leaving, they understood it was his final big payday.  But how he has treated Hearts has fecked everyone off, signing for the newco scum leaves a horrible taste in the mouth.

He should sit in the stand till May - lets see what that does for his Scotland chances.

[Samuel Camazzola]

8 minutes ago, Trajan said:

Those defending Souttar are yet to explain why he couldn't do the decent, loyal thing by us and sign a year's extension on improved terms, thereby improving our stance on getting a decent transfer fee. You know, like club legends, Craig Gordon and Rudi Skacel, did. 

 

But then I suspect Souttar and McNamara wouldn't have gotten the same sign on bonus as they have now.

Those understanding why he made the choice could give a hypothetical reason as to why he didn't commit to taking up the offer the club put it front of him. However, to get the reason why this didn't happen, I'm afraid you are going to have to wait and see if the club or JS himself explains this. 👍 

[GinRummy]

1 minute ago, kingantti1874 said:

So did he just talk to championship clubs to drive up the salary offered by the huns? I’m curious which championship club would have afforded John the chance to compete for trophies.

 

I wish him well in his personal life,  I wish his brother well in his fight with that horrible disease.

 

but his personal life and professional life are 2 different things.  He’s fair game IMO.

 

as I said above.. do rangers want to pony up some of the Paterson fee to protect their new player..

 

If Rangers didn’t want him he would still be at Hearts because he has to stay in Scotland for family reasons.

 

Anyone who actually believes the above statement should get on with their homework as they don’t want detention after school tomorrow. 

[kingantti1874]

1 minute ago, Samuel Camazzola said:

Those understanding why he made the choice could give a hypothetical reason as to why he didn't commit to taking up the offer the club put it front of him. However, to get the reason why this didn't happen, I'm afraid you are going to have to wait and see if the club or JS himself explains this. 👍 

his lack of statement says it all though.  The fact he let rangers announce says it all.

 

he isn’t going to speak. He wants to slink out the back door

[OldGorgie]

3 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

If Rangers didn’t want him he would still be at Hearts because he has to stay in Scotland for family reasons.

 

Anyone who actually believes the above statement should get on with their homework as they don’t want detention after school tomorrow. 

They can join you. You’ve spent most of today acting as Soutar’s spin doctor. So of you go to School.

[GinRummy]

1 minute ago, OldGorgie said:

They can join you. You’ve spent most of today acting as Soutar’s spin doctor. So of you go to School.

I think you’re getting me mixed up. I haven’t once supported Souttar in any way since he signed his pre contract. 

Edited January 16, 2022 by GinRummy

[Samuel Camazzola]

2 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

his lack of statement says it all though.  The fact he let rangers announce says it all.

 

he isn’t going to speak. He wants to slink out the back door

The club have known for quite a while where he was going. It's not up to Hearts to announce it once it is official. 

[Bazzas right boot]

1 hour ago, Lfhearts said:

You should leave this thread to grown ups FM as always you post and post and post zzzzzzzzx.

 

You should stay on topic and not be such a wee creep.

 

 

[andi17]

RAT RAT RAT end of before the tat tats get angry

[Factuer Moi]

2 minutes ago, Samuel Camazzola said:

The club have known for quite a while where he was going. It's not up to Hearts to announce it once it is official. 

Was Rangers minded people who released the Pre contract news.

[Class of 75]

3 hours ago, ScandinavianJambo said:

I remember Beati doing something very similar....but the other way around....nobody called him a traitor though. Heat of the moment thing...

Yeah but the difference, Beatty is and never was a Celtic fan. 

[kingantti1874]

4 minutes ago, Samuel Camazzola said:

The club have known for quite a while where he was going. It's not up to Hearts to announce it once it is official. 

right up to a couple of days before robbie made a made a  public statement saying he was hopeful.  That statement hearts made was of of surprise.. it’s certainly wasn’t planned.

 

he’s made his bed. 

[SMJ_1874]

1 hour ago, TypoonJambo said:

No he isn't.  Alĺ his decisions never worked out but he's as big a jambo as anyone else on this site

Most of the die hard jambos I know continue to put money into the club with out so much as a second thought to themselves or their financial situation and have done for years. That’s why the FOH is so strong and thriving.
 

The man you refer to continued to suck money out the club, when his career at the club was over, as well as the very lifeblood and wouldn’t hesitate to throw anyone under a bus to save his brass neck. How fitting that one snake turns to another to release a statement with his approval and bang on about professionalism when that particular mouthpiece was a fraud, a charlatan and cost us hundreds of thousands of pounds and a demotion. He didn’t have the moral fibre required to be associated with our great club.
 

This statement merely sums up my feelings about his tenure and the worst spell of any Hearts supporter dating back to the mid 70’s